| honki | http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4564075703/ | 03:07 |
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| honki | rock_n_ubuntu | 03:07 |
| knome | lol | 07:31 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: morning! i showed a similar screenshot to kwwii, but did not talk about the color issue with him, otherwise | 09:13 |
| thorwil | vish: if you open one of the for-web SVGs of the ubuntu logo, does it look much more red than what you see in the guidelines pdf, too? | 09:14 |
| vish | thorwil: what screenshot? | 09:16 |
| thorwil | vish: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7e44f4cb5d9bf6be8d062b2eef5c7931 | 09:17 |
| thorwil | i'd like to have confirmation that the same happens on other systems, as i'm still on karmic, but with a custom inkscape build | 09:18 |
| * vish checking | 09:18 | |
| vish | thorwil: where is the cof_orange_hex_svg.pdf? did you generate that? | 09:21 |
| vish | using inkscape or in the files? | 09:21 |
| thorwil | vish: yes, pdf export of cof_orange_hex_svg | 09:21 |
| thorwil | vish: but if it's the same on your system, it doesn't matter if you llok at it in inkscape or export to png or pdf, that color stays the same | 09:22 |
| vish | thorwil: the colors are different | 09:22 |
| thorwil | vish: does it match the colors in my screenshot? | 09:23 |
| vish | just a sec | 09:23 |
| knome | iainfarrell, sent you a reply | 09:25 |
| iainfarrell | hey knome | 09:25 |
| iainfarrell | cool! | 09:25 |
| iainfarrell | We're in Brussels for the next two weeks preparing for UDS | 09:25 |
| knome | okay. :) i never got that invite by the way ;] | 09:26 |
| vish | thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-2.png | 09:41 |
| vish | the exported pdf and the svg are the same , but the eps file is a bit different | 09:42 |
| vish | and the guidelines are the same color as your screenshot | 09:43 |
| thorwil | vish: thanks | 09:43 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: so it's not an oddity on my system. the EPS on vish's screenshots has #e72100 instead of #dd3a21 | 09:45 |
| vish | and the branding ones are totally different | 09:45 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: you could try if using inkscape on a mac makes a difference, but you might have to investigate how the assets and guidelines have been created, regarding platform, color profiles and software | 09:48 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: though it does look like the hex color values are quite simply just wrong | 09:48 |
| thorwil | doubly so for the EPS | 09:49 |
| vish | why is the guidelines having the totally wrong colors ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png | 09:50 |
| iainfarrell | vish and thorwil: We'll need to investigate why this is happening because these colours are identical on other platforms | 09:50 |
| vish | iainfarrell: well , I'm on Lucid *Ubuntu* , not sure which platforms they were tested ;) | 09:51 |
| thorwil | vish: on OS X and Win 7, of course ;) | 09:51 |
| iainfarrell | thorwil: I've not looked on Windows :) | 09:52 |
| iainfarrell | vish and thorwil: I need to understand more about how colour spaces work on Linux | 09:52 |
| iainfarrell | because I think that's what's causing this issue | 09:52 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: perhaps it's some color management on the mac with adobe tools, vs no color management at all on ubuntu? | 09:53 |
| * vish ... leaves this to thorwil , already bugged kwwii enough for another issue ;p | 09:53 | |
| thorwil | vish: heh, this is all i have to say about, enough bugging :) | 09:54 |
| iainfarrell | thorwil and vish - have you come across similar issues elsewhere? | 09:55 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: no | 09:56 |
| thorwil | kwwii: would you mind if i edit brand_of_thumbs.png to close the shadows/frames on the top of the pages? they all look cut off, currently | 09:57 |
| vish | iainfarrell: well , the one i mentioned to kwwii was the ubuntu branding files being named as *K*ubuntu > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-Properties.png and kwwii is already on it | 09:57 |
| kwwii | thorwil: sure, go ahead | 09:58 |
| vish | iainfarrell: btw , you guys should scrub the metadata from the files ;) we dont want other to know we depend on mac/adobe ;) | 09:58 |
| iainfarrell | vish - yeah kwwii and I are talking about this already | 09:59 |
| iainfarrell | regarding the colours issue | 09:59 |
| iainfarrell | I'm going to start doing some digging on this and find out why it's happening | 10:00 |
| iainfarrell | I think I know why and I'm not sure there's much we can do about it | 10:00 |
| iainfarrell | in the short term at least | 10:00 |
| iainfarrell | the pdf guide is the correct orange | 10:01 |
| iainfarrell | why the other files are opening like that I think is to do with how the application treats different files rather than how the colour is set in the file | 10:01 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: well, simply sampling the orange from the pdf would yield better results on ubuntu | 10:01 |
| kwwii | thorwil: the files with the hex colors are correct thought | 10:01 |
| kwwii | thorwil: ie, when I open them they show the correct colours | 10:02 |
| kwwii | thorwil: note that the pantone and cmyk will not appear to be the same anyway as they are slightly different values | 10:02 |
| iainfarrell | the hex values might be right but the way they are rendering on your screen isn't | 10:02 |
| kwwii | ie one cannot simply reduce cmyk into hex | 10:02 |
| vish | well , not really an issue for me.. :) but its the sort of stuff the design team gets poked about like > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/V5T-2y66sVE/ubuntu-1004-press-releases-enter-wild.html | 10:02 |
| iainfarrell | look at the orange we're using on Ubuntu.com and then look at the way that EPS has opened | 10:03 |
| iainfarrell | it's clearly wrong | 10:03 |
| kwwii | which EPS? | 10:03 |
| kwwii | none of the colour managed ones will open correctly on linux | 10:03 |
| kwwii | that I get | 10:03 |
| iainfarrell | hey kwwii the one in T's screenshot | 10:03 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i had 3 years vocational education that included printing technology. i think i understand pantone and cmyk and the problems with converting to rgb values quite well ;) | 10:04 |
| iainfarrell | thorwil: so do you know what's happening here then? :) | 10:05 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: i can only guess that it is color management related | 10:06 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I can confirm that the orange in the hex files is the correct value | 10:07 |
| kwwii | thorwil: look at the palette value for the orange and then open the file with gimp and pick the color | 10:07 |
| thorwil | kwwii: what about the difference between the SVGs and the EPS? | 10:07 |
| kwwii | thorwil: so it seems the pdf is the incorrect orange | 10:07 |
| iainfarrell | thorwil and kwwii am I right that there is no system wide management in Linux? | 10:07 |
| kwwii | iainfarrell: there is but it is very rudimen tary | 10:08 |
| kwwii | thorwil: just checked the svgs and the colours are simply wrong | 10:09 |
| iainfarrell | kwwii: I see, are there projects out there to make it better? | 10:09 |
| thorwil | kwwii: ah, so it should be a reddish orange, not a medium orange!? | 10:09 |
| kwwii | thorwil: right dd4814 | 10:09 |
| kwwii | or so | 10:09 |
| vish | iainfarrell: is that the new font used in the branding guidelines pdf? [or atleast the incomplete one?] | 10:10 |
| iainfarrell | vish yes it is | 10:10 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: then i bet the toll that generated the pdf applied some color conversion according to some inappropriate profile | 10:11 |
| thorwil | tool, even | 10:11 |
| vish | neat .. | 10:11 |
| iainfarrell | vish thanks :) it's coming on very well | 10:12 |
| thorwil | for a possible revision of the guidelines, the line-spacing should be increased. maybe tracking, too | 10:12 |
| kwwii | I take back my comment that the SVGs are wrong | 10:14 |
| kwwii | whew :-) | 10:14 |
| thorwil | ok, turned http://www.foopics.com/showfull/04037ab3ef5a93392c273ea4d3a559d9 into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=brand_of_thumbs.png | 10:20 |
| kwwii | cool | 10:36 |
| ktogias | hello. I am refreshing the style of the web site of greek loco team and I would like to add some banner usiing the font of the new logo. Is that font available for download? Where can I find it? | 11:36 |
| kwwii | ktogias: the new font is not available yet | 11:36 |
| ktogias | hm... I would like to make a banner for 10.04 release like the one apearing at ubuntu.com top "It's time for a change ..." . Do you have in mind any other font that will match nicely with th new ubuntu logo? | 11:38 |
| === kwwii changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for the community artwork team | The new font is NOT AVAILABLE but there are Visual Identity Guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art | ||
| kwwii | ktogias: to be honest, I do not | 11:39 |
| kwwii | sorry | 11:39 |
| kwwii | maybe someone here would like to help? | 11:39 |
| kwwii | thorwil, anyone? | 11:39 |
| thorwil | ktogias: 2 fonts have been mentioned that seem to be similar, but both commercial | 11:40 |
| ktogias | If commercial then useless (for me at least...) | 11:41 |
| ktogias | Any clue on when the logo font will be available? | 11:42 |
| kwwii | ktogias: no, sorry | 11:42 |
| thorwil | ktogias: Gillius might be reasonable next to the new logo-type | 11:43 |
| thorwil | ttf-adf-gillius | 11:44 |
| ktogias | thanks thorwil . I'll give it a try. | 11:46 |
| thorwil | 0.o http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/camelot3.jpg | 11:47 |
| kwwii | now that looks good | 11:49 |
| knome | iainfarrell, sent you mail | 11:54 |
| directhex | oh, wow, there IS a new gdm screen. bug 532659 was keeping it a secret | 12:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 532659 in gdm "new theme not applied" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532659 | 12:18 |
| kwwii | sounds like there were issues with people updating | 12:19 |
| directhex | i was waiting for one of those to start existing before making a grub2 theme. i wonder how long i've been wasting time | 12:26 |
| kwwii | directhex: since about beta1 or 2 | 12:41 |
| toxz | i want to paint for ubuntu a picture | 14:03 |
| islington | anyone in here do plasma themeing? | 14:05 |
| kwwii | islington: yes, it is very simple | 14:07 |
| islington | kwwii: not when the documentation is old and incomplete; do you know what frame.svgz is themeing? | 14:08 |
| kwwii | not off hand | 14:08 |
| kwwii | I would assume a frame around something though :p | 14:08 |
| kwwii | islington: when I do not know what something does, I make it bright red and check | 14:08 |
| islington | mmm that is essentially what I did, made it white when my theme is dark, but I dont see any difference :( | 14:09 |
| kwwii | you should ask pinheiro in #oxygen | 14:10 |
| islington | k thanks | 14:10 |
| kwwii | wow, I found something we should update | 14:30 |
| kwwii | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage | 14:30 |
| ktogias | thorwil, everybody: Just finished with the installation and translation of 10.04 banner to ubuntu-gr LoCo team site. Isn't it beautiful?: http://www.ubuntu-gr.org/ ... Thanks a lot for your help! | 17:31 |
| thorwil | iainfarrell: size guidelines for logo use should include pixel sizes, perhaps. | 17:54 |
| kwwii | well, the week is over for me and I have a two week trip on Sunday | 20:38 |
| kwwii | hey DanRabbit_ | 20:54 |
| kwwii | how's things? | 20:54 |
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