[03:07] <honki> http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4564075703/
[03:07] <honki> rock_n_ubuntu
[07:31] <knome> lol
[09:13] <thorwil> iainfarrell: morning! i showed a similar screenshot to kwwii, but did not talk about the color issue with him, otherwise
[09:14] <thorwil> vish: if you open one of the for-web SVGs of the ubuntu logo, does it look much more red than what you see in the guidelines pdf, too?
[09:16] <vish> thorwil: what screenshot?
[09:17] <thorwil> vish: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7e44f4cb5d9bf6be8d062b2eef5c7931
[09:18] <thorwil> i'd like to have confirmation that the same happens on other systems, as i'm still on karmic, but with a custom inkscape build
[09:18]  * vish checking
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: where is the cof_orange_hex_svg.pdf?  did you generate that?
[09:21] <vish> using inkscape or in the files?
[09:21] <thorwil> vish: yes, pdf export of cof_orange_hex_svg
[09:22] <thorwil> vish: but if it's the same on your system, it doesn't matter if you llok at it in inkscape or export to png or pdf, that color stays the same
[09:22] <vish> thorwil: the colors are different
[09:23] <thorwil> vish: does it match the colors in my screenshot?
[09:23] <vish>  just a sec
[09:25] <knome> iainfarrell, sent you a reply
[09:25] <iainfarrell> hey knome
[09:25] <iainfarrell> cool!
[09:25] <iainfarrell> We're in Brussels for the next two weeks preparing for UDS
[09:26] <knome> okay. :) i never got that invite by the way ;]
[09:41] <vish> thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-2.png
[09:42] <vish> the exported pdf and the svg are the same , but the eps file is a bit different
[09:43] <vish> and the guidelines are the same color as your screenshot
[09:43] <thorwil> vish: thanks
[09:45] <thorwil> iainfarrell: so it's not an oddity on my system. the EPS on vish's screenshots has #e72100 instead of #dd3a21
[09:45] <vish> and the branding ones are totally different
[09:48] <thorwil> iainfarrell: you could try if using inkscape on a mac makes a difference, but you might have to investigate how the assets and guidelines have been created, regarding platform, color profiles and software
[09:48] <thorwil> iainfarrell: though it does look like the hex color values are quite simply just wrong
[09:49] <thorwil> doubly so for the EPS
[09:50] <vish> why is the guidelines having the totally wrong colors ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png
[09:50] <iainfarrell> vish and thorwil: We'll need to investigate why this is happening because these colours are identical on other platforms
[09:51] <vish> iainfarrell: well , I'm on Lucid *Ubuntu* , not sure which platforms they were tested ;)
[09:51] <thorwil> vish: on OS X and Win 7, of course ;)
[09:52] <iainfarrell> thorwil: I've not looked on Windows :)
[09:52] <iainfarrell> vish and thorwil: I need to understand more about how colour spaces work on Linux
[09:52] <iainfarrell> because I think that's what's causing this issue
[09:53] <thorwil> iainfarrell: perhaps it's some color management on the mac with adobe tools, vs no color management at all on ubuntu?
[09:53]  * vish ... leaves this to thorwil , already bugged kwwii enough for another issue ;p  
[09:54] <thorwil> vish: heh, this is all i have to say about, enough bugging :)
[09:55] <iainfarrell> thorwil and vish - have you come across similar issues elsewhere?
[09:56] <thorwil> iainfarrell: no
[09:57] <thorwil> kwwii: would you mind if i edit brand_of_thumbs.png to close the shadows/frames on the top of the pages? they all look cut off, currently
[09:57] <vish> iainfarrell: well , the one i mentioned to kwwii was the ubuntu branding files being named as *K*ubuntu > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-Properties.png  and kwwii is already on it
[09:58] <kwwii> thorwil: sure, go ahead
[09:58] <vish> iainfarrell: btw , you guys should scrub the metadata from the files ;)  we dont want other to know we depend on mac/adobe ;)
[09:59] <iainfarrell> vish - yeah kwwii and I are talking about this already
[09:59] <iainfarrell> regarding the colours issue
[10:00] <iainfarrell> I'm going to start doing some digging on this and find out why it's happening
[10:00] <iainfarrell> I think I know why and I'm not sure there's much we can do about it
[10:00] <iainfarrell> in the short term at least
[10:01] <iainfarrell> the pdf guide is the correct orange
[10:01] <iainfarrell> why the other files are opening like that I think is to do with how the application treats different files rather than how  the colour is set in the file
[10:01] <thorwil> iainfarrell: well, simply sampling the orange from the pdf would yield better results on ubuntu
[10:01] <kwwii> thorwil: the files with the hex colors are correct thought
[10:02] <kwwii> thorwil: ie, when I open them they show the correct colours
[10:02] <kwwii> thorwil: note that the pantone and cmyk will not appear to be the same anyway as they are slightly different values
[10:02] <iainfarrell> the hex values might be right but the way they are rendering on your screen isn't
[10:02] <kwwii> ie one cannot simply reduce cmyk into hex
[10:02] <vish>  well , not really an issue for me.. :)  but its the sort of stuff the design team gets poked about like > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/V5T-2y66sVE/ubuntu-1004-press-releases-enter-wild.html
[10:03] <iainfarrell> look at the orange we're using on Ubuntu.com and then look at the way that EPS has opened
[10:03] <iainfarrell> it's clearly wrong
[10:03] <kwwii> which EPS?
[10:03] <kwwii> none of the colour managed ones will open correctly on linux
[10:03] <kwwii> that I get
[10:03] <iainfarrell> hey kwwii the one in T's screenshot
[10:04] <thorwil> kwwii: i had 3 years vocational education that included printing technology. i think i understand pantone and cmyk and the problems with converting to rgb values quite well ;)
[10:05] <iainfarrell> thorwil: so do you know what's happening here then? :)
[10:06] <thorwil> iainfarrell: i can only guess that it is color management related
[10:07] <kwwii> thorwil: I can confirm that the orange in the hex files is the correct value
[10:07] <kwwii> thorwil: look at the palette value for the orange and then open the file with gimp and pick the color
[10:07] <thorwil> kwwii: what about the difference between the SVGs and the EPS?
[10:07] <kwwii> thorwil: so it seems the pdf is the incorrect orange
[10:07] <iainfarrell> thorwil and kwwii am I right that there is no system wide management in Linux?
[10:08] <kwwii> iainfarrell: there is but it is very rudimen tary
[10:09] <kwwii> thorwil: just checked the svgs and the colours are simply wrong
[10:09] <iainfarrell> kwwii: I see, are there projects out there to make it better?
[10:09] <thorwil> kwwii: ah, so it should be a reddish orange, not a medium orange!?
[10:09] <kwwii> thorwil: right dd4814
[10:09] <kwwii> or so
[10:10] <vish> iainfarrell: is that the new font used in the branding guidelines pdf?  [or atleast the incomplete one?]
[10:10] <iainfarrell> vish yes it is
[10:11] <thorwil> iainfarrell: then i bet the toll that generated the pdf applied some color conversion according to some inappropriate profile
[10:11] <thorwil> tool, even
[10:11] <vish> neat ..
[10:12] <iainfarrell> vish thanks :) it's coming on very well
[10:12] <thorwil> for a possible revision of the guidelines, the line-spacing should be increased. maybe tracking, too
[10:14] <kwwii> I take back my comment that the SVGs are wrong
[10:14] <kwwii> whew :-)
[10:20] <thorwil> ok, turned http://www.foopics.com/showfull/04037ab3ef5a93392c273ea4d3a559d9 into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=brand_of_thumbs.png
[10:36] <kwwii> cool
[11:36] <ktogias> hello. I am refreshing the style of the web site of greek loco team and I would like to add some banner usiing the font of the new logo. Is that font available for download? Where can I find it?
[11:36] <kwwii> ktogias: the new font is not available yet
[11:38] <ktogias> hm... I would like to make a banner for 10.04 release like the one apearing at ubuntu.com top "It's time for a change ..." . Do you have in mind any other font that will match nicely with th new ubuntu logo?
[11:39] <kwwii> ktogias: to be honest, I do not
[11:39] <kwwii> sorry
[11:39] <kwwii> maybe someone here would like to help?
[11:39] <kwwii> thorwil, anyone?
[11:40] <thorwil> ktogias: 2 fonts have been mentioned that seem to be similar, but both commercial
[11:41] <ktogias> If commercial then useless (for me at least...)
[11:42] <ktogias> Any clue on when the logo font will be available?
[11:42] <kwwii> ktogias: no, sorry
[11:43] <thorwil> ktogias: Gillius might be reasonable next to the new logo-type
[11:44] <thorwil> ttf-adf-gillius
[11:46] <ktogias> thanks thorwil . I'll give it a try.
[11:47] <thorwil> 0.o http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/camelot3.jpg
[11:49] <kwwii> now that looks good
[11:54] <knome> iainfarrell, sent you mail
[12:18] <directhex> oh, wow, there IS a new gdm screen. bug 532659 was keeping it a secret
[12:19] <kwwii> sounds like there were issues with people updating
[12:26] <directhex> i was waiting for one of those to start existing before making a grub2 theme. i wonder how long i've been wasting time
[12:41] <kwwii> directhex: since about beta1 or 2
[14:03] <toxz> i want to paint for ubuntu a picture
[14:05] <islington> anyone in here do plasma themeing?
[14:07] <kwwii> islington: yes, it is very simple
[14:08] <islington> kwwii: not when the documentation is old and incomplete; do you know what frame.svgz is themeing?
[14:08] <kwwii> not off hand
[14:08] <kwwii> I would assume a frame around something though :p
[14:08] <kwwii> islington: when I do not know what something does, I make it bright red and check
[14:09] <islington> mmm that is essentially what I did, made it white when my theme is dark, but I dont see any difference :(
[14:10] <kwwii> you should ask pinheiro in #oxygen
[14:10] <islington> k thanks
[14:30] <kwwii> wow, I found something we should update
[14:30] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage
[17:31] <ktogias> thorwil, everybody: Just finished with the installation and translation of 10.04 banner to ubuntu-gr LoCo team site. Isn't it beautiful?: http://www.ubuntu-gr.org/ ... Thanks a lot for your help!
[17:54] <thorwil> iainfarrell: size guidelines for logo use should include pixel sizes, perhaps.
[20:38] <kwwii> well, the week is over for me and I have a two week trip on Sunday
[20:54] <kwwii> hey DanRabbit_
[20:54] <kwwii> how's things?