[03:07] http://www.flickr.com/photos/honki/4564075703/ [03:07] rock_n_ubuntu [07:31] lol [09:13] iainfarrell: morning! i showed a similar screenshot to kwwii, but did not talk about the color issue with him, otherwise [09:14] vish: if you open one of the for-web SVGs of the ubuntu logo, does it look much more red than what you see in the guidelines pdf, too? [09:16] thorwil: what screenshot? [09:17] vish: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7e44f4cb5d9bf6be8d062b2eef5c7931 [09:18] i'd like to have confirmation that the same happens on other systems, as i'm still on karmic, but with a custom inkscape build [09:18] * vish checking [09:21] thorwil: where is the cof_orange_hex_svg.pdf? did you generate that? [09:21] using inkscape or in the files? [09:21] vish: yes, pdf export of cof_orange_hex_svg [09:22] vish: but if it's the same on your system, it doesn't matter if you llok at it in inkscape or export to png or pdf, that color stays the same [09:22] thorwil: the colors are different [09:23] vish: does it match the colors in my screenshot? [09:23] just a sec [09:25] iainfarrell, sent you a reply [09:25] hey knome [09:25] cool! [09:25] We're in Brussels for the next two weeks preparing for UDS [09:26] okay. :) i never got that invite by the way ;] [09:41] thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-2.png [09:42] the exported pdf and the svg are the same , but the eps file is a bit different [09:43] and the guidelines are the same color as your screenshot [09:43] vish: thanks [09:45] iainfarrell: so it's not an oddity on my system. the EPS on vish's screenshots has #e72100 instead of #dd3a21 [09:45] and the branding ones are totally different [09:48] iainfarrell: you could try if using inkscape on a mac makes a difference, but you might have to investigate how the assets and guidelines have been created, regarding platform, color profiles and software [09:48] iainfarrell: though it does look like the hex color values are quite simply just wrong [09:49] doubly so for the EPS [09:50] why is the guidelines having the totally wrong colors ? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png [09:50] vish and thorwil: We'll need to investigate why this is happening because these colours are identical on other platforms [09:51] iainfarrell: well , I'm on Lucid *Ubuntu* , not sure which platforms they were tested ;) [09:51] vish: on OS X and Win 7, of course ;) [09:52] thorwil: I've not looked on Windows :) [09:52] vish and thorwil: I need to understand more about how colour spaces work on Linux [09:52] because I think that's what's causing this issue [09:53] iainfarrell: perhaps it's some color management on the mac with adobe tools, vs no color management at all on ubuntu? [09:53] * vish ... leaves this to thorwil , already bugged kwwii enough for another issue ;p [09:54] vish: heh, this is all i have to say about, enough bugging :) [09:55] thorwil and vish - have you come across similar issues elsewhere? [09:56] iainfarrell: no [09:57] kwwii: would you mind if i edit brand_of_thumbs.png to close the shadows/frames on the top of the pages? they all look cut off, currently [09:57] iainfarrell: well , the one i mentioned to kwwii was the ubuntu branding files being named as *K*ubuntu > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-Properties.png and kwwii is already on it [09:58] thorwil: sure, go ahead [09:58] iainfarrell: btw , you guys should scrub the metadata from the files ;) we dont want other to know we depend on mac/adobe ;) [09:59] vish - yeah kwwii and I are talking about this already [09:59] regarding the colours issue [10:00] I'm going to start doing some digging on this and find out why it's happening [10:00] I think I know why and I'm not sure there's much we can do about it [10:00] in the short term at least [10:01] the pdf guide is the correct orange [10:01] why the other files are opening like that I think is to do with how the application treats different files rather than how the colour is set in the file [10:01] iainfarrell: well, simply sampling the orange from the pdf would yield better results on ubuntu [10:01] thorwil: the files with the hex colors are correct thought [10:02] thorwil: ie, when I open them they show the correct colours [10:02] thorwil: note that the pantone and cmyk will not appear to be the same anyway as they are slightly different values [10:02] the hex values might be right but the way they are rendering on your screen isn't [10:02] ie one cannot simply reduce cmyk into hex [10:02] well , not really an issue for me.. :) but its the sort of stuff the design team gets poked about like > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/V5T-2y66sVE/ubuntu-1004-press-releases-enter-wild.html [10:03] look at the orange we're using on Ubuntu.com and then look at the way that EPS has opened [10:03] it's clearly wrong [10:03] which EPS? [10:03] none of the colour managed ones will open correctly on linux [10:03] that I get [10:03] hey kwwii the one in T's screenshot [10:04] kwwii: i had 3 years vocational education that included printing technology. i think i understand pantone and cmyk and the problems with converting to rgb values quite well ;) [10:05] thorwil: so do you know what's happening here then? :) [10:06] iainfarrell: i can only guess that it is color management related [10:07] thorwil: I can confirm that the orange in the hex files is the correct value [10:07] thorwil: look at the palette value for the orange and then open the file with gimp and pick the color [10:07] kwwii: what about the difference between the SVGs and the EPS? [10:07] thorwil: so it seems the pdf is the incorrect orange [10:07] thorwil and kwwii am I right that there is no system wide management in Linux? [10:08] iainfarrell: there is but it is very rudimen tary [10:09] thorwil: just checked the svgs and the colours are simply wrong [10:09] kwwii: I see, are there projects out there to make it better? [10:09] kwwii: ah, so it should be a reddish orange, not a medium orange!? [10:09] thorwil: right dd4814 [10:09] or so [10:10] iainfarrell: is that the new font used in the branding guidelines pdf? [or atleast the incomplete one?] [10:10] vish yes it is [10:11] iainfarrell: then i bet the toll that generated the pdf applied some color conversion according to some inappropriate profile [10:11] tool, even [10:11] neat .. [10:12] vish thanks :) it's coming on very well [10:12] for a possible revision of the guidelines, the line-spacing should be increased. maybe tracking, too [10:14] I take back my comment that the SVGs are wrong [10:14] whew :-) [10:20] ok, turned http://www.foopics.com/showfull/04037ab3ef5a93392c273ea4d3a559d9 into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=brand_of_thumbs.png [10:36] cool [11:36] hello. I am refreshing the style of the web site of greek loco team and I would like to add some banner usiing the font of the new logo. Is that font available for download? Where can I find it? [11:36] ktogias: the new font is not available yet [11:38] hm... I would like to make a banner for 10.04 release like the one apearing at ubuntu.com top "It's time for a change ..." . Do you have in mind any other font that will match nicely with th new ubuntu logo? === kwwii changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for the community artwork team | The new font is NOT AVAILABLE but there are Visual Identity Guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art [11:39] ktogias: to be honest, I do not [11:39] sorry [11:39] maybe someone here would like to help? [11:39] thorwil, anyone? [11:40] ktogias: 2 fonts have been mentioned that seem to be similar, but both commercial [11:41] If commercial then useless (for me at least...) [11:42] Any clue on when the logo font will be available? [11:42] ktogias: no, sorry [11:43] ktogias: Gillius might be reasonable next to the new logo-type [11:44] ttf-adf-gillius [11:46] thanks thorwil . I'll give it a try. [11:47] 0.o http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/camelot3.jpg [11:49] now that looks good [11:54] iainfarrell, sent you mail [12:18] oh, wow, there IS a new gdm screen. bug 532659 was keeping it a secret [12:18] Launchpad bug 532659 in gdm "new theme not applied" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532659 [12:19] sounds like there were issues with people updating [12:26] i was waiting for one of those to start existing before making a grub2 theme. i wonder how long i've been wasting time [12:41] directhex: since about beta1 or 2 [14:03] i want to paint for ubuntu a picture [14:05] anyone in here do plasma themeing? [14:07] islington: yes, it is very simple [14:08] kwwii: not when the documentation is old and incomplete; do you know what frame.svgz is themeing? [14:08] not off hand [14:08] I would assume a frame around something though :p [14:08] islington: when I do not know what something does, I make it bright red and check [14:09] mmm that is essentially what I did, made it white when my theme is dark, but I dont see any difference :( [14:10] you should ask pinheiro in #oxygen [14:10] k thanks [14:30] wow, I found something we should update [14:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage [17:31] thorwil, everybody: Just finished with the installation and translation of 10.04 banner to ubuntu-gr LoCo team site. Isn't it beautiful?: http://www.ubuntu-gr.org/ ... Thanks a lot for your help! [17:54] iainfarrell: size guidelines for logo use should include pixel sizes, perhaps. [20:38] well, the week is over for me and I have a two week trip on Sunday [20:54] hey DanRabbit_ [20:54] how's things?