[00:41] <trinikrono> hey can i borrow a mentor for a few mins
[01:09] <ddecator> trinikrono: what'd you have in mind?
[01:10] <trinikrono> ddecator: well as of monday i am a bugsquad member
[01:10] <ddecator> trinikrono: congrats =)
[01:10] <trinikrono> so i am just looking to do some work
[01:10] <trinikrono> i mostly have been setting old bugs as incomplete
[01:10] <trinikrono> or where it did have enough info
[01:10] <ddecator> trinikrono: is there a certain package you're interested in? (i can't remember if i asked you this before or not...)
[01:11] <trinikrono> well it does not matter too much i want to learn here
[01:12] <ddecator> trinikrono: alright, well a good place to start with general triage is what you've been doing, finding bugs you're comfortable with at first and asking for more information then subscribing yourself. you can also find ones you can test to see if you can confirm, and if a problem sounds like it would be common you can look for dupes. once you're comfortable with the process, you can start challenging yourself a little more =)
[01:13] <trinikrono> okie i was wondering about something
[01:13] <trinikrono> say i wanted to show you a bug
[01:13] <trinikrono> i see people do a thing where it comes up as a link in here
[01:13] <trinikrono> with the number
[01:13] <ddecator> yup, that's thanks to ubot4
[01:13] <trinikrono> ah
[01:13] <ddecator> just type "bug <number>" and it automatically does it
[01:13] <trinikrono> lemme try that
[01:14] <ddecator> you can also do "mozilla <number>" and "gnome <number>" for upstream (not sure what else is supported)
[01:14] <trinikrono> bug 559624
[01:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 559624 in cups (Ubuntu) "CUPS will not function as network Print Server (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559624
[01:14] <trinikrono> yea can you look at this one
[01:14] <trinikrono> the guy confirmed it himself
[01:15] <trinikrono> i am not sure what to do with it
[01:15] <ddecator> alright, one sec
[01:17] <yofel> the additional ones I know of are 'freedesktop <num>' and 'debian <num>'
[01:17] <trinikrono> nice
[01:17] <yofel> oh, and 'kde <num>'
[01:17] <ddecator> hm, it might be how he setup access to his server. you could ask him to run apport, but i'm not sure if it's a cups problem or user error. i have an ubuntu server, but i haven't used it for this, so you could as in #ubuntu-servers about how that might be properly setup. i don't know how willing people in that channel will be to look at the report, but if they're like this channel there is likely someone who will take a look =)
[01:18] <ddecator> yofel: i wouldn't have guessed freedesktop..huh
[01:18] <ddecator> s/as/ask
[01:18] <yofel> me too, until someone posted a link and ubot said 'freedesktop bug ...' ^^
[01:22] <trinikrono> aha
[01:22] <trinikrono> okie
[01:22] <trinikrono> ill try that
[01:39] <bbordwell> yofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/571952
[01:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 571952 in launchpad "Bugs show up twice (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[01:46] <hggdh> I wonder. Why are the archives so slow now?
[01:55] <persia> hggdh: Because there are so very many people upgrading today.
[02:06] <ddecator> so far i'm surprised by the lack of bugmail i've gotten today..
[02:08] <persia> I suspect it's a result of all the work to disable bug reporting for the final release.
[02:14] <hggdh> most certainly.
[02:16]  * micahg got comments on open bugs already
[02:22] <arand> Hmm, I've got a slightly "annoyed" comment, which I presume might be from a developer on Bug #519541 ...I'd like to give as "friendly" as possible an answer: Am I on the wrong line here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424937/ ??
[02:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519541 in abiword (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Abiword 2.8.1 freezes with document lost when help is clicked or F1 is pressed (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519541
[02:24] <micahg> arand: if it's a bug fix only release, it might qualify for an SRU
[02:25] <arand> micahg: < persia> arand: Yeah, it would need a cherrypicked fix.
[02:26] <arand> micahg: Hence I got the impression that it was out of the question..
[02:26] <persia> It defintely qualifies for SRU: common action can cause user data loss.
[02:26] <micahg> persia: I was referring to a full version update if it's a bug fix only release
[02:26] <persia> But based on the comments in the bug, I have the strong impression that just pushing the entire new upstream version into an SRU would not be accepted.
[02:27]  * micahg was going to suggest contacting someone on the -sru team to see
[02:27] <persia> micahg: One needs approval from the TB for that.  You happen to do a lot of wok on a team who has secured such approval for a number of your apps because upstream is incapable of generating useful patches or maintaining stable branches.  Most folk operate under different restrictions.
[02:27] <persia> But yeah, asking someone actually on the SRU team is a good idea :)
[02:28] <micahg> persia: all the other teams that upload new point releases have TB approval for each instance (not asking for blanket permission, just one instance)
[02:28] <persia> No. e.g. GNOME and KDE have blanket permission for certain classes of update.
[02:29] <micahg> persia: ah, ok
[02:29] <persia> I think the kernel does too, as long as it tracks the stable kernel branch for the same version (e.g. 2.6.32.10 -> 2.6.32.12)
[02:29] <rodrigo3n> hello everyone
[02:29] <persia> But it's a list of something like 5-10 upstreams that have that permission.
[02:29] <rodrigo3n> i just finished downloading lucid
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> and during the installation process
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> the install stuck in 34%
[02:30] <charlie-tca> arand: that abiword bug is going to be sru'd, we are just waiting for lucid to settle
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> "preparing memtest86+"
[02:30] <micahg> persia: so anyone that doesn't have blanket permission for a point release update needs the TB approval for one and not the SRU team?
[02:30] <arand> charlie-tca: The full 2.8.4?
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> and its during 20 minutes already
[02:30] <rodrigo3n> did anyone see that?
[02:31] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure if it will be, crimson was working on a fix last night
[02:31] <persia> micahg: *everything* needs SRU team approval.  Packages without blanket permission for new upstream releases need to undergo detailed code review of th changes to confirm it is indeed a "minimal diff" to address the outstanding issues.
[02:32] <micahg> persia: that still didn't answer my question :)
[02:32] <arand> charlie-tca: Ok, then me poking about will likely not help much... :)
[02:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, probably true
[02:33] <rodrigo3n> did everyone here upgraded from Karmic?
[02:33] <rodrigo3n> successfully?
[02:33] <charlie-tca> been a thorn in my side for a couple of months already
[02:34] <arand> rodrigo3n: #ubuntu is probably a more appropriate channel, this one is for bug handling, not really support.
[02:35] <persia> micahg: The TB grants blanket approvals, but not (typically) individual approvals.  The SRU team applies the guidance of the TB policy in reviewing each upload.  Does that make more sense?
[02:35] <rodrigo3n> arand thanks, sorry. (it was because I could't get heard there)
[02:36] <micahg> persia: well, so it seems like the answer is yes, the SRU team can approve it if it's minimal and appropriate
[02:36] <persia> Right, but it usually has to meet the "minimal diff" rule, which this doesn't appear to do, based on comments including prior code review.
[02:36] <persia> (read the bug log for more details)
[02:39] <charlie-tca> arand: one thing that bothers me a lot is msevior's attitude on the bugs. He has one answer on almost all the bugs: Upgrade to the latest "version"
[02:40] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, versions 2.8.2, 2.8.3, and 2.8.4 came out after we brought in the latest stable versions they had, 2.8.0 and 2.8.1
[02:41] <jcastro> charlie-tca: this isn't the first time abiword has released in the middle of a freeze for us
[02:41] <arand> It's the constant upstream downstream running the opposite way...
[02:41] <charlie-tca> As a developer, he seems to have forgotten that 5 versions in 6 months is not so good
[02:42] <charlie-tca> jcastro: but we brought in two versions after freeze
[02:43] <jcastro> right, but sometimes it's hard to explain distro freezes and stuff to upstream
[02:43] <charlie-tca> true
[02:43] <jcastro> as far as he's concerned he's done his bit and he'd rather lecture
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I have to wonder how many users they are losing when they insist on bringing new versions out so fast
[02:44] <jcastro> most people are just going to use what's in the distro
[02:45] <charlie-tca> That's why I opted to wait to do something when we had people trying to fix it
[02:46]  * jcastro nods
[02:47] <jcastro> charlie-tca: there's a reason we don't just take microreleases of upstream without checking. This happened to tomboy last cycle
[02:47] <jcastro> and I'm sure there are umpteen other ones
[02:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's what I thought too
[02:48] <charlie-tca> But, I also did not see any reason to jump at him every time he puts in his comment to upgrade it
[02:48] <jcastro> yeah
[02:49] <jcastro> btw I try to collect things useful for upstreams on our policies here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream
[02:49] <jcastro> though I'm sure he's read it, he just doesn'
[02:49] <jcastro> t agree with it
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Thanks for that. I had someone request some information and I will pass it on
[02:52] <jcastro> charlie-tca: if they read it and think it sucks or confusing let me know, I need more feedback on it to make sure it doesn't suck for people.
[02:53] <charlie-tca> I will. I have been working with upstream on a couple of packages
[02:53] <arand> I'm still thinking an "answer" is better than silence though... Would this be ok: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424945/
[02:54] <charlie-tca> sure, that looks fine
[02:54] <jcastro> that looks good
[02:54]  * arand sends
[02:54] <jcastro> dunno about "paranoia", but whatever, heh
[02:54]  * charlie-tca thinks his name is getting around too much, somehow
[02:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know if that is good or bad, but at least I seem to be known a little bit
[02:56] <ddecator> i suppose it depends on the context
[02:56] <charlie-tca> true enough
[02:57] <arand> charlie-tca: Well, I just wanted to point out why I was going to "stop poking"..
[02:57] <charlie-tca> probably means I need to become active ...
[02:57] <charlie-tca> It's good. at least it does give some direction to it
[02:59] <arand> Hmm, it's true that it could be somewhat of "his responsibility", comment, sorry, didn't intend that...
[03:01] <charlie-tca> not a problem
[04:36] <xpot-mobile> any known bugs/issues with 10.04?
[04:37] <persia> Lots!
[04:37] <xpot-mobile> so... its not safe to update then?
[04:37] <persia> Seems there are 86,400 open bugs.
[04:38] <persia> Oh, it's less buggy than 9.10.
[04:39] <xpot-mobile> persia: haha, that gives me excitement enough to see if it breaks anything ;)
[04:39] <persia> If you've a mission-critical application, you're recommended to wait until June (but then you were probably still running 8.04 anyway).  If you've a regular system, upgrade away!
[04:39] <xpot-mobile> persia: sweet, thanks.  will post how it goes when I come back online.
[04:39] <micahg> persia: 86k? where?
[04:40] <persia> micahg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[04:40] <persia> Ah, 84,600.
[04:40] <micahg> persia: k, I was wondering if tehre were 2k bugs I couldn't see :)
[04:40]  * persia has 86,400 hardcoded in the brain because it's the number of seconds in a day
[04:45] <xpot-mobile> I will see if I can start working on a fix for bug number 1 immediately
[04:47] <ddecator> xpot-mobile: that'd be great =)
[04:47] <xpot-mobile> -=0)
[05:51] <ddecator> when a user goes to Appearance > Visual Effects and selects Normal or Extra, should something detect if compiz isn't installed an prompt for it to be installed?
[05:51] <ddecator> s/an/and
[05:52] <persia> That seems like a useful enhancement, yes.  Please file a wishlist bug.
[05:54] <ddecator> persia: do you know if it's already supposed to or not? i was working on a bug report that ended up being due to this, wasn't sure what the behavior was supposed to be
[05:54] <persia> I think it *should*  I have no idea if it's supposed to.
[05:54] <persia> Not doing that seems wrong to me.
[05:55] <persia> I don't even know if it does (I've never been happy with compiz: there is a large subjective perception of system slowdown, although I try it each release)
[05:55] <ddecator> me too. i guess it searched for drivers, but it never prompted the user to install compiz. when he did it manually, it solved the issue
[05:58] <ddecator> persia: do you know offhand what package handles that?
[05:58] <persia> Nope.  Easy way to check: search the .desktop files for the name of the wizard.  Run dpkg -S against that .desktop file.
[05:59] <ddecator> alright, thanks, i'll try to get around to that later tonight
[06:52] <ddecator> persia: er, where would i start my search for the .desktop file?
[06:53] <persia> /usr/share/applications/
[06:53] <ddecator> danke
[06:53] <persia> grep -rin is your freind :)
[06:56] <ddecator> persia: any idea what i should search for? haha
[06:57] <persia> What's the name of the control panel for which you want to identify the responsible package?
[06:57] <persia> You can safely use a localised name, because of how .desktop files work, so don't worry about trying to figure out the base language name.
[07:02] <ddecator> hm, i'm not sure what it would say...
[07:04] <persia> ddecator: OK.  So, for which thing are you trying to determine the right package?
[07:05] <ddecator> persia: whatever would be responsible for checking if compiz is installed whenever a person tries to activate visual effects in the gnome-appearance-properties
[07:05] <persia> Why not start with gnome-appearance-properties?
[07:05] <persia> Wouldn't that be a sensible thing to check, since that's the software the user is using at the time the check needs to be performed?
[07:06] <persia> Whether that gets abstracted out somewhere else is an implementation detail.
[07:09] <ddecator> fair enough. but where would i look to see if it checks that or not?
[07:10] <ddecator> i could check the source, but idk if that's necessary or not
[07:16] <persia> That's probably the most straightforward way to check.
[07:16] <persia> The other alternative is to disable visual effects, remove compiz, enable visual effects, and see if you get any feedback.
[07:17] <ddecator> hm, i'll see if i can get that to work in a live environment so i don't lose any of my compiz settings
[07:20] <persia> heh.
[07:20] <persia> That or a VM, or reading the code.
[07:22] <ddecator> yah i'm using testdrive
[07:22] <ddecator> if that doesn't give me a clue, i'll look at the code
[07:29] <ddecator> "desktop effects could not be enabled" well that's helps...
[07:33] <persia> So the bug is really "message fails to give user sufficient information".
[07:33] <persia> But getting sufficient information means polling the graphics hardware too, as we can't know that their display system is *capable* of running compiz.
[07:35] <ddecator> right, but it seems like it could at least explain why. should i file a bug for it?
[07:35] <persia> Or maybe refer back to Damascene to give some insight.
[07:36]  * persia is fairly neutral about this bug, and believes it to be wishlist, if it is a bug.
[07:37] <ddecator> hm. i'll at least close the report i've been working on since the reporter got it working, but i'll try to figure out if this is something worth reporting or not
[07:37] <Damascene> what is the problem? it's hard to read all the page
[07:38] <ddecator> Damascene: when a user tries to enable visual effects from gnome-appearance-properties, but does not have compiz installed, it doesn't give helpful information, it just says that the effects couldn't be enabled
[07:39] <Damascene> I see. I'm not so much in compiz but I'am with the idea of giving useful information in case of errors
[07:40] <Damascene> that happened to me with compiz-setting-manager when I tried to enable some effect
[07:40] <Damascene> it didn't say any thing but didn't work
[07:40] <Damascene> and I discovered after asking in #compiz and other channel that my card doesn't support it
[07:41] <Damascene> and they say it's not a bug it's just your card :)
[07:42] <Damascene> I think it's a common problem that should be addressed
[07:43] <ddecator> hmmm, the problem i experienced is a little different from what the reporter had. probably because i didn't enable the graphics driver since i was in a live session. bug 561146 comment 11
[07:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 561146 in ubuntu "firefox takes over whole screen with no exit button in left hand corner (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561146
[07:45] <ddecator> doesn't even sound like he got an error message, it changed the setting, but he didn't even have compiz installed
[07:49] <Damascene> do you want me to remove compiz and test the gnome-appearance-properties ?
[07:50] <ddecator> nah, i'll give it a shot
[07:52] <ddecator> well now this is odd...
[07:53] <ddecator> compiz is uninstalled, but it's still using effects...i got the same thing as the reporter though, searched for drivers, then enabled it, but it never said anything about compiz
[07:54] <ddecator> ha, and no metacity on this window..
[07:55] <kklimonda> what is the RT ticket? i know there is rt.ubuntu.com but I don't understand how it's related to Ubuntu, Canonical and LP
[08:08] <ddecator> oooooh, i think i figured it out
[08:10] <ddecator> i guess gnome-control-center looks for /usr/bin/compiz which is provided by compiz-core but it doesn't check if just the plain compiz package is installed, and having compiz-core installed but not compiz causes the issue
[08:12] <Damascene> nice work
[08:15] <ddecator> i'll report it, let the devs decide if they want to do anything about it or not
[08:44] <BUGabundo_remote> Morning
[08:44] <ddecator> mornin' BUGabundo_remote
[08:45] <kermiac> hi BUGabundo_remote :)
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey hey
[09:52] <cbsch> Hello, I'd like to file a bug about something, but I don't know where to begin, I've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs but it didn't help me much. The bug is that when you run the System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers tool and the small window pops up telling you it's downloading files and whatnot, the window appears on the taskbar with the title "Untitled window". I think it should either not appear, or at least have a desc
[10:58] <om26er> ubuntu+1 was a good channel for general talk now its gone :(
[10:59] <Mahara> lol, ubuntu+1 is for the next version of Ubuntu
[10:59] <Mahara> which now is #ubuntu
[10:59] <vish> om26er: general talk? never ;p  it was for support ;)
[11:00] <Mahara> #ubuntu+1 will be opened as soon as the plans for the next release will be ready
[11:18] <Daniel5> Hi
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> boo he left
[11:28] <om26er> (and then later he realized he was in the wrong channel)
[11:48] <Wipster> can anyone cast their eyes over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/572205 see if its all in order?
[11:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572205 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager fails to add default route (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[11:56] <testso> Hi I've found and can confirm a bug!
[11:56] <testso> now, I don't see any report on this bug, but it's fairly obvious, if you are on a laptop at least
[11:57] <testso> can you help me detect any duplicate?
[11:58] <testso> THE bug: right click in any application, e.g. firefox. Make sure you see a menu. Then hit any multimedia button, e.g. mute. Expected: sound to be muted. Actual: nothing happens
[11:58] <BUGabundo_remote> testso: basicly our laptop is not properly issuing multimedia keys
[11:59] <BUGabundo_remote> either file a bug or set them manually
[11:59] <arand> testso: Old a known bug... let me check
[12:00] <testso> BUGabundo_remote: I don't think my laptop hardware is aware that firefox is blocking the input ...
[12:00] <testso> arand: thx, I was looking but couldn't find it
[12:00] <testso> arand: I don't want to file a duplicate
[12:01] <arand> testso: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/10905
[12:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 10905 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't use any global keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys when applet/menu is open (affects: 15) (dups: 23)" [Wishlist,Invalid]
[12:03] <arand> "menus are implemented with keyboard and pointer grabs" as per gtk-developer on upstream bug report... I'm afraid it aint gonna change in some time...
[12:03] <testso> arand: gah, nasty
[12:04] <testso> arand: thanks for your help, i'll join the gtk team
[12:04] <arand> ...If ever...
[12:04] <arand> It has been a real pet peeve os mine though, brrr...
[12:05] <cbsch> Hello, I'd like to file a bug about something, but I don't know where to begin. I've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs but it didn't help me much. The bug is that when you run the System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers tool and the small window pops up telling you it's downloading files and whatnot, the window appears on the taskbar with the title "Untitled window". I think it should either not appear, or at least have a desc
[12:06] <arand> testso: I think it's even down to X11 .. :(
[12:08] <om26er> a similar bug that I face is when a menu is opened and the system is left when I come back a) screensaver is not started b) after unclicking the menu screensaver starts
[12:10] <testso> arand: do you have an X11 upstream?
[12:10] <testso> upstream/upstream bug
[12:10] <arand> om26er: Yep, potentially avoiding password-locking the computer and a security issue, it's a lovely one.
[12:10] <arand> testso: No, just the gtk-dev's comment on bugzilla...
[12:10] <testso> arand: ok
[13:21] <om26er> what to add to grub to disable kms?
[13:26] <arand> om26er: nomodeset ... afaik
[14:30] <vish> om26er: depends on the card.. for radeon , i had to use radeon.modeset=0
[14:32] <om26er> vish, it was a problem with someone at #ubuntu so I thought disabling kms might be helpful
[14:33] <om26er> that might be i915.modeset=0
[14:34] <vish> om26er: not sure , but better check in #ubuntu-x
[14:35] <om26er> will defer for now
[14:36]  * om26er still misses #ubuntu+1 ;)
[14:38] <yofel> intel is i195.modeset=0 yes
[14:38] <yofel> err...
[14:38] <yofel> *i915 ^^
[14:38] <marvin_> Hello
[14:39] <marvin_> I have a bug with Ubuntu 10.04 and Vuze ..it wont start anymore
[14:39] <marvin_>  marvin@Marvin:~$ vuze
[14:39] <marvin_> [warning] /usr/bin/vuze: Unable to locate swt in /usr/share/java
[14:39] <marvin_> file:/usr/lib/jni/ ; file:/usr/lib/java/ ; file:/usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar ; file:/usr/share/java/log4j-1.2-1.2.15.jar ; file:/usr/share/java/commons-cli-1.2.jar ; file:/home/marvin/
[14:39] <marvin_> java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.directLaunch(Main.java:229)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.main(Main.java:132)
[14:39] <om26er> floodbot?
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:39] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.MainExecutor$1.run(MainExecutor.java:37)
[14:39] <kklimonda> !op
[14:40] <ubot4> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
[14:40] <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Shell
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.mainwindow.Initializer.<init>(Initializer.java:111)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main.<init>(Main.java:88)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main.main(Main.java:255)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	... 12 more
[14:40] <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Shell
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:321)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.classloading.PrimaryClassloader.loadClass(PrimaryClassloader.java:103)
[14:40] <om26er> oh my
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:266)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:334)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	... 15 more
[14:40] <marvin_> Start fails:
[14:40] <marvin_> com.aelitis.azureus.core.AzureusCoreException: Azureus core already instantiated
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.core.impl.AzureusCoreImpl.create(AzureusCoreImpl.java:120)
[14:40] <yofel> yep, the error is *quite* long ^^
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.core.AzureusCoreFactory.create(AzureusCoreFactory.java:46)
[14:40] <lifeless> !pastebin
[14:40] <ubot4> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.ui.common.Main.main(Main.java:160)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at com.aelitis.azureus.launcher.MainExecutor$1.run(MainExecutor.java:37)
[14:40] <marvin_> 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
[14:40] <kklimonda> lifeless: it's not like he's posting it one line at the time :/
[14:40] <marvin_> perhaps you can do something about it
[14:40] <yofel> thanks
[14:46] <kamusin> :)
[14:51] <acicula>  <marvin_> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Shell
[14:51] <acicula> sprinkle more jars?
[15:31] <maxb> I'm getting a spurious "System policy prevents stopping the system when other users are logged in" (no other users are logged in)
[15:32] <maxb> What package would I search/file bug reports under?
[15:37] <yofel> maxb: when do you get that message?
[15:38] <maxb> When I try to restart via the indicator appliet
[15:38] <maxb> * applet
[15:39] <maxb> ugh, I just found ck-list-sessions
[15:40] <maxb> The second session is a 'su -c rmiregistry bin' that I ran from upstart
[15:40] <maxb> Why is a noninteractive su creating a CK session?!
[16:01] <Wiplash> can anyone replicate the bug I posted earlier? having trouble adding a route in the network applet when in manual mode
[16:09] <Wiplash> setting manualy in the applet still gives me "nm_system_replace_default_ip4_route(): (wlan0): failed to set IPv4 default route: -22"
[16:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you verify some karmic SRUs?
[16:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: they're for xfce apps
[16:40] <charlie-tca> micahg: I can try
[16:40] <charlie-tca> which ones
[16:45] <micahg> bug 455089 and bug 494360
[16:45] <ubot4> micahg: Bug 455089 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/455089 is private
[16:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494360 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "battery notification lacks an icon in karmic/lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494360
[16:45] <micahg> charlie-tca: package is in karmic-proposed
[16:46] <micahg> ubot4: go update your DB :)
[16:46] <ubot4> micahg: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> sorry, I looked at that, but I don't have a portable computer. I have 5 desktop systems
[16:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, thanks
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I couldn't reproduce the suspend issue without the patch
[16:57] <micahg> anyone have a laptop running Xubuntu karmic?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Sorry, but I did try to do both of those
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I can ask in #xubuntu-devel if anyone does, too
[16:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, thanks pitti's going to delete the package if no one tests it, it's been in proposed for 3 months
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I saw that. I will try to get them tested. Thanks
[16:59] <charlie-tca> I have to rebuild a system, and planned on hitting bugs monday, here.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> micahg: will be tested later today
[17:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: great, thanks
[17:43] <n3glv> ATI support?
[17:43] <n3glv> no hardware drivers showing at all
[17:43] <n3glv> lucid of course
[17:44] <n3glv> laptop
[17:44] <n3glv> dual screen
[17:44] <n3glv> total mess
[17:44] <n3glv> where is this 'generic driver' that i'm supposed to be able to use instead?
[17:44] <yofel> n3glv: support please in #ubuntu, this channel is for handling bug reports
[17:44] <n3glv> this is a bug
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> n3glv: please try #ubuntu for help
[17:44] <n3glv> can't get video support
[17:44] <BUGabundo_remote> this # is meant for bug triage. Thank you
[17:45] <n3glv> not a bug when hardware drivers page is blank?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> n3glv: is the bug filed?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> if not, then you want support
[17:45] <n3glv> did not see it
[17:45] <Sami345> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/572357
[17:45] <n3glv> saw info saying to use the generic one
[17:45] <Sami345> Do you think there is something missing from my report?
[17:45] <n3glv> which is nowhere to be found
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> !bugs | n3glv
[17:45] <ubot4> n3glv: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:46] <BUGabundo_remote> boo
[17:46] <yofel> gone...
[17:46] <yofel> ubot4: ping?
[17:46] <ubot4> Factoid 'ping?' not found
[17:46] <yofel> bug 572357
[17:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572357 in ubuntu "Ubuntu freezes for a few seconds when I press any key (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572357
[17:46] <yofel> ...
[17:46] <Sami345> well, howto repeat the problem, put I think it's simple 1. Put on the computer 2. Press any key from keyboard
[18:16] <blueyed> Is xorg-edgers ppa not uptodate?
[18:16] <blueyed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Nouveau#Testing bugs against upstream Nouveau -
[18:16] <blueyed> does not upgrade anything..
[18:16] <blueyed> will try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/current/ instead. brb
[18:39] <blueyed> no luck.. bug 569122 - any hints welcome to debug this further
[18:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569122 in linux (Ubuntu) "Resuming from hibernation fails (video garbage with nouveau, no progress/hibernation with nvidia-current) (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569122
[19:51] <genii> Something like:  zsync -i older-iso.iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/final-iso-name.iso.zsync          fails to work. I suspect because "releases.ubuntu.com" wants to get converted to something else like "d2dakxl4s2lf96.cloudfront.net" server-side. Any way around this? If a bug then against what to file?
[19:54] <arand> genii: just using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ worked for me.
[20:13] <genii> Thing is... why are there .zsync extensions in releases.ubuntu.com if you have to go to cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[20:56] <chcat> hello, i am trying to use getsockopt( tcp_work_socket, SOL_IP, TCP_INFO, (void *)&tcp_info, (socklen_t *)&tcp_info_length )  to get number of retransmissions from tcp_info... The problem is - the number is always stays 0 no matter how much I  limit channel bandwidth. Is there a known bug associated with this method?
[21:28] <blueyed> chcat: very specific question you got there. You might want to poke in #linux or some more developer oriented channel. I do not think there's a bug with some (which?) Ubuntu version.
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I just upgraded to maverick :)
[21:30]  * BUGabundo waits for #ubuntu+1 to reopen
[21:30] <blueyed> Finally :)
[21:30]  * blueyed would not do it in the first weeks though..
[21:31] <blueyed> why is #ubuntu+1 closed?
[21:31] <BUGabundo> release
[21:32] <blueyed> that's no reason?! "extra effort gone wild"?
[21:32] <penguin42> blueyed: They always do that on release
[21:32] <blueyed> ah. than it makes sense..
[21:32] <blueyed> then rather
[21:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh, archive is open already?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> you guessed it kklimonda :)
[22:31] <garyjmellor> has anyone noticed the positioning of the shutdown etc options in 10.04 64-bit? they're under the system menu and not in the top right corner. also all the options aren't present. is this by design? the 32-bit version has them in the usual place. this is a complete reinstall from iso downloaded today.
[22:31] <garyjmellor> has anyone noticed the positioning of the shutdown etc options in 10.04 64-bit? they're under the system menu and not in the top right corner. also all the options aren't present. is this by design? the 32-bit version has them in the usual place. this is a complete reinstall from iso downloaded today.
[22:43] <mvn071> lucids bugs => hangs on Fn-keys to higher-lower the screenligth
[22:43] <mvn071> on acer aspire 4810tz
[22:45] <mvn071> and importing an account that is also created at installation breaks installation
[22:45] <mvn071> ati source driver breaks installation ( hang at boot)
[22:46] <mvn071> is better to make tickets of these?
[23:19] <mrand> mvn071: yes, better to make separate tickets if one doesn't already exist that describes your problem very closely.  ubuntu-bug <package name> is the preferred method of reporting.
[23:37] <mvn071> mrand: thanks i will work on it towmorrow