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| imbrandon | ugh i really should stay off twitter | 01:12 |
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| imbrandon | internet argument about why ubuntu should just give up and let debian do everything .... :( | 01:13 |
| persia | There's both positive and negative bits about that argument. Mostly depends on the maintainer. | 01:14 |
| persia | But I think the only sane response is to actively work to make that the case where the maintainers are happy to collaborate. | 01:15 |
| persia | (but this is action, not participation in the debate) | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | right | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | oh well i gotta get some code done , on what i dunno yet, just something to take me away from tweets ;) | 01:16 |
| persia | We should probably get DCT going again, but it really requires someone who has the time and interest to be the DCT leader, and isn't someone who does something else. | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | DCT ? | 01:16 |
| persia | Debian Collaboration Team. It's come and gone a few times, but hasn't been active for a while. | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea, i just hadent known it by that name | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | yea it would eat alot of time for whomever | 01:17 |
| persia | This is different than Utnubu. | 01:17 |
| persia | Utnubu is/was a Debian project to get Ubuntu patches merged, and get Ubuntu packages in. | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | i dont think collaboration is the main issue in this guys case though, he just seems to fail to realize that Ubuntu exists because it has a diffrent goal than Debian, not to be "a better debian" | 01:18 |
| persia | DCT was/is an Ubuntu project to reduce total delta and improve communication with various Maintainers. | 01:18 |
| persia | They are complementary, but were always different. | 01:18 |
| persia | Oh, for several classes of users, Ubuntu is a degraded Debian. | 01:18 |
| persia | It's just different, to meet specific goals. | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | right, and thats what i dont think he understands, its not like debian for everyone e.g. "a universal os" its for a very specific use case, even if that use case gets expanded over the years ;) | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | but it's an argument on the internet, how can you back down? | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:20 |
| persia | ajmitch: Apparently the strategy is to bring it to other forums, to make it harder to filter :) | 01:20 |
| persia | imbrandon: "set of use cases", but yeah. Ubuntu isn't universal, and doesn't try to be. | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | is here where we're meant to jump on debian & have the 2 minutes of hate? | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | true | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | so i ran across a perl twitter client today, must i say "for the love of everything that is good, WHY!" | 01:23 |
| persia | imbrandon: So, you're bored, and want a coding project? | 01:24 |
| wgrant | Better than PHP-GTK. | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | wgrant: don't tempt him | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | persia: yup | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | wgrant: hahahahah i was just talking to ajmitch about that yesterday | 01:24 |
| persia | imbrandon: CLI NetworkManager client, for when X crashes. Does the appropriate things with D-Bus and the DE data stores. Make sure it works for all of GNOME/KDE/XFCE/headless. | 01:26 |
| jdong | persia: CNetworkManager? | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | persia: dosent that exist ? | 01:26 |
| jdong | http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/ | 01:26 |
| persia | jdong: I heard that project was stagnant. | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | ahhh /me will dig into it | 01:26 |
| jdong | oh. it workedforme | 01:26 |
| jdong | but Ubuntu packaging and refreshing is awesome too :) | 01:27 |
| * ajmitch just wants a working wireless driver :) | 01:27 | |
| persia | jdong: I'm not fussy if it's fixing found code or creating new code :) | 01:27 |
| jdong | :) | 01:27 |
| persia | But nm-tool just doesn't even pretend to be enough. | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | persia / jdong : sounds like just the proj i need :) /me starts diggin | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | main problem i can think of right off is kde and gnome store the nm info diffrently dont they | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | for say staticly configured interfaces | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | since they dont use /etc/network/* | 01:30 |
| persia | imbrandon: Right, so you have to come up with some minimal-deps client code that checks to see if the store exists, then tries to pull secrets from it, etc. | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | right | 01:31 |
| persia | Because you don't just want the static IPs, but also things like passphrases for wireless or VPNs, etc. | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | yea, it might be tricky if it configured diffrently for like say kde and gnome on the same box | 01:32 |
| persia | And if the store requires authentication to access, you need to plug into the authentication mechanisms, etc. | 01:32 |
| persia | cNetworkManager is a start, but there's lots of integration missing :) | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | yup, and atleast its python ;) | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | ohh this looks fun, and actualy no my assumption was wrong, it somehow actualy stores the info per user via NM not via a DE datastore | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | not sure exactly how yet, but that makes things easier | 01:37 |
| * imbrandon goes to graba mt dew and fetches the tarbal | 01:37 | |
| imbrandon | the ubutnu-server seed include python i would assume , correct ? | 01:41 |
| persia | python-minimal is in the minimal task. | 01:44 |
| persia | Hrm. python is also in the minimal task. Why do we have python-minimal again? | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | probably an older holdover | 01:48 |
| JanC | persia: python-minimal is for people who want to go really minimal AFAIK ;) | 02:19 |
| MTecknology | persia: for people like me that are insane to the core :D | 02:20 |
| MTecknology | ... if I ever learn python.. | 02:20 |
| persia | I thought it was a subset that was supposed to be in ubuntu-minimal, with the rest in ubuntu-standard. I suspect python got into minimal because of default-recommends, and minimal may benefit from renewed analysis (and specifically close comparison between no-install-recommends and default) | 02:20 |
| JanC | looks mostly useful for limited tasks on an embedded system | 02:21 |
| persia | MTecknology: The package is specifically that subset of python that was really a dependency of that subset of packages that was considered really minimal. I don't imagine anyone would intentionally use it, although many would be happy to install fewer modules on a system that's intended to be minimal, and not likely to run some arbitrary set of python programs. | 02:21 |
| persia | JanC: I think the target was more appliance VM than embedded system, but something like that. | 02:22 |
| JanC | it doesn't even include support for databases, xml parsing, etc. | 02:23 |
| MTecknology | persia: I was making a crack at how minimal I made my system. granted I should probably add some of the stuff in ubuntu-minimal back to my system.. | 02:23 |
| persia | JanC: Right, which I don't really need for e.g. a static webserver, or a DNS server. | 02:25 |
| MTecknology | Is there any reason most configs are ~/.xxx sintead of ~/.config/xxx or something like that? | 02:28 |
| MTecknology | imo .config is a lot cleaner | 02:28 |
| JanC | MTecknology: because ~/.config didn't exist in the past | 02:28 |
| JanC | it's an XDG invention | 02:28 |
| MTecknology | oh | 02:28 |
| MTecknology | any chance people might start moving to it in the distant future? | 02:29 |
| JanC | people are already moving | 02:29 |
| MTecknology | cool :) | 02:29 |
| JanC | but if upstream thinks it is "not traditional unix"... ;) | 02:30 |
| MTecknology | then we slam em! | 02:31 |
| MTecknology | or let'm do what they please :P | 02:31 |
| JanC | at least ~/.blah is better than ~/blah | 02:32 |
| MTecknology | ya... I remember using some of those apps a while back | 02:32 |
| JanC | (yes there are those who do that) | 02:32 |
| MTecknology | I think I had to use on eof those a couple months ago - forgot the name though - I know jagex does it | 02:32 |
| ScottK | YokoZar: Not sure if anyone answered this, but it is too late to hit retry, but DEPWAIT fix is a legit SRU, so you do a debian/changelog only upload to lucid-proposed. | 02:49 |
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| ScottK | jdong: https://launchpad.net/lucid-backports | 03:36 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: is there a bug# ? | 03:41 |
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| ScottK | imbrandon: For? | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: i forget now | 04:01 |
| jdong | ScottK: thanks! | 04:05 |
| * imbrandon goes through the list of -backports for someting to approve/defer/test | 04:07 | |
| imbrandon | jdong: wanna approve lp 480547 , you initial assesment looks like the way to go | 04:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 480547 in karmic-backports "memcached pretty darn out of date." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480547 | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | otherwise it would require a source change backport that could be done later | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | for jaunty | 04:12 |
| jdong | imbrandon: ok | 04:13 |
| jdong | imbrandon:have you checked lucid -> karmic? | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | only cursorly, when i did the lucid update a week or two ago | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | i can do more in-depth if wanted | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | in otherwords i know it builds and installs, but as far as working as inteneded in karmic no idea | 04:15 |
| jdong | imbrandon: ok back when I looked at the backport it definitely worked | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | man i LOVE the Ubuntu One Music store, LOVE it , heh | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: i'm guessing the etoys intrepid-proposed sru was rejected b/c support ? | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | lfaraone ^^ | 04:53 |
| micahg | jdong: would a locales package that was forgotten be ok for an SRU? | 05:07 |
| jdong | micahg: that sounds reasonable to me | 05:07 |
| micahg | jdong: k, thanks | 05:07 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Yes. | 05:45 |
| suji11 | hi | 06:03 |
| persia | hey | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | heya | 06:05 |
| suji11 | Already iok is in ubuntu repository, i followed this site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate and update the iok package, now what i do to bring this to ubuntu repository? | 06:06 |
| suji11 | i uploaded this to in my launchpad https://launchpad.net/~suji87-msc/+archive/ppa | 06:07 |
| persia | suji11: Which source format did you use for the package? | 06:07 |
| suji11 | persia: Source format means? | 06:08 |
| persia | If you ask, you used 1.0 :) | 06:08 |
| persia | Just attach the diff.gz to a bug requesting upload, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors. | 06:08 |
| persia | Note that maverick isn't open yet, so nobody *can* upload it for probably a week to ten days. | 06:09 |
| suji11 | persia: where to upload the diff.gz and should i upload the latest version of iok's diff.gz am right? | 06:13 |
| persia | Attach the diff.gz you want reviewed for inclusion in the repository to a bug requesting an upgrade or update of iok. | 06:13 |
| persia | Do not attach the original tarball: be sure that your diff.gz has all necessary information to produce the original tarball in debian/watch, debian/copyright, debian/README.source, and debian/rules. | 06:14 |
| suji11 | persia: ok, where to i upload the diff.gz ? | 06:21 |
| persia | Attach the diff.gz you want reviewed for inclusion in the repository to a bug requesting an upgrade or update of iok. | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | using bug trackers is much more fun when music is playing /me is glad to have his music collection sync'd back to the laptop | 07:23 |
| warp10 | wgrant: please, could you renew my membership in ~motuscience? | 07:32 |
| wgrant | warp10: Done. | 07:41 |
| warp10 | wgrant: great, thanks! | 07:42 |
| Rhonda | 7who | 08:03 |
| Rhonda | Laney: Thanks - didn't see it yesterday anymore, was off then already. :) | 08:03 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:43 |
| adahendra | morning | 08:44 |
| dholbach | hey adahendra | 08:44 |
| Rhonda | loha | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | moins dholbach | 08:46 |
| dholbach | hey Rhonda, hi imbrandon | 08:46 |
| adahendra | hai dholbach | 08:48 |
| Rhonda | grmlmonster got released yesterday, too. :) | 08:49 |
| Rhonda | So it was two releases for me. | 08:49 |
| YokoZar | ScottK: uploaded to proposed then :) | 09:42 |
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| eagles0513875 | just in here to thanks you guys for making another great release :) with lucid | 11:21 |
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| lfaraone | imbrandon: understood. | 16:09 |
| lfaraone | Can I perform SRU verification for my own SRU uploads? | 16:09 |
| geser | lfaraone: I doubt it, or would you propose a fix which doesn't work for you? | 16:55 |
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| Guest32482 | Hello M. lucas | 17:23 |
| Guest32482 | Is it possible to compile/use rubyripper on Ubuntu 10.04 without hang? | 17:24 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. Does it makes sense to fix the FTBFS, and document the SRU, if this is a new package in Lucid? (it's for rabbit) | 17:27 |
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| geser | yes | 17:31 |
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| Guest32482 | Is it possible to make a package of a software e.g. rubyripper, which will be independant of ruby-related libraries? | 17:46 |
| fabrice_sp | geser, if the yes was for me, it's for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbit | 17:47 |
| geser | fabrice_sp: yes, the "yes" was for you. The SRU page mentions FTBFS as a valid reason for an SRU. | 17:49 |
| fabrice_sp | I know, but as this package has never been in Ubuntu, I was trying to see if it's worth a SRU or not | 17:50 |
| fabrice_sp | but the fix is easy, so I'll upload it to -proposed :-) | 17:51 |
| geser | if the package works afterwards, then SRU it | 17:51 |
| fabrice_sp | ok. I saw another one (because of missing locales-all in Ubuntu). I'll upload it also then | 17:51 |
| geser | it's even less risky as you don't replace any old debs (from an previous successful build) | 17:52 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks! | 17:52 |
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| lfaraone | geser: good point. | 18:33 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, Does the backports team regularly backport dpkg-dev? | 19:00 |
| imbrandon | cody-somerville: looking i dont see any backports for it , ever | 19:16 |
| imbrandon | cody-somerville: and i dont rember processesing any | 19:17 |
| cody-somerville | k0p, thanks | 19:17 |
| cody-somerville | doh | 19:17 |
| cody-somerville | okay, thanks :) | 19:17 |
| jdong | cody-somerville: I think dpkg-dev qualifies as a package I'm afraid to touch ;-) | 19:20 |
| jdong | namely, it's in the "cjwatson can feel free to do whatever he wants to it!" category :) | 19:20 |
| cody-somerville | Theres a lot of stuff in it. I think some of it should probably be split out. | 19:21 |
| imbrandon | release party here in a few hours , woot | 19:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am trying to get a package to place a pdf in /usr/share/docs/pdf . any suggestions or hints on how i get a package to do that. Also does it matter that the "ubuntu-manual" folder doesn't exist? | 20:04 |
| ubuntujenkins | */usr/share/docs/ubuntu-manual | 20:22 |
| azop | ubuntujenkins: are you trying to install something else to /usr/share/docs/ubuntu-manual? | 20:23 |
| azop | s/install/copy | 20:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | azop: I have five files that need placing in different places in the os. Its just a bunch of latex icons and a font. | 20:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | I would like to do it with a package as the aim is to make it easier for others | 20:25 |
| azop | Well, you would need to create the ubuntu-manual directory if you plan to copy files into it during the install | 20:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | Thats as i guessed how would i go about it? I am quite happy to read info if you have some suggestions | 20:27 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: don't trust random scripts someone you don't know gave you on irc :) after you checked that http://stateful.de/~carsten/tmp/100430U3x0e6FxXjg/dir2deb doesn't do any harm you could create a directory structure, place things that belong to /usr/bin in yourpackagename/usr/bin and so on and finally run DEBFULLNAME="Ubuntu Jenkins" DEBEMAIL="ubuntujenkins@example.com" dir2deb yourpackagename. this creates the ... | 20:47 |
| carstenh | ... yourpackagename/debian directory needed to build the package, to actually build it you chdir to it and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc". this semi-automatically created package is of course nothing you could upload without modification (because of missing package description, the lack of a useful copyright ...). | 20:47 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: if you want an example of an official package that does just place some file somewhere take a look at the source package of debian-goodies | 20:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | carstenh: thanks very much just what i need to know, I shall have a play with it all and see what i can come up with. | 20:49 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: playing is a good way of learning :) the debian/rules file dir2deb creates uses a uncommon syntax since it was never thought to be published or used for educational purposes | 20:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | carstenh: Does that need adjusting to be correct? | 20:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | *corrected | 20:53 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: it is correct. 2 + 1 = 3 is correct as is 2 + 1 = 6/2 | 20:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok i see its just a different way of doing it then :) | 20:56 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: it's just not the best example of a rules files, the place to look for such examples is /usr/share/doc/debhelper/ | 20:56 |
| carstenh | relevant documentation from debian is linked from www.debian.org/devel but since you ask on an ubuntu channel ubuntu documentation seems to fit better, maybe you can find something useful in the urls mentioned in the channel toopic | 21:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thanks carstenh | 21:02 |
| mannyv | if I wanted t ohelp out with some sru's how would i go about finding candidate packages? | 21:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | What i forgot to ask was when the package installs I would like it to run updmap --enable Map ccicons.map as the last thing it does. How would i go about adding that? Is it even possible? | 21:12 |
| carstenh | ubuntujenkins: dh_installtex might do this already, if not, ask google: site:debian.org debian policy postinst | 21:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thanks carstenh | 21:19 |
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