[02:37] <LLStarks> i feel bad for lucid users. firefox is still a memory pig.
[02:39] <micahg> LLStarks: it's better than 3.0 and 3.5
[02:39] <LLStarks> 300 MB
[02:39] <LLStarks> disgusting
[02:40] <LLStarks> and this is with very few addons
[02:40] <LLStarks> all of them top-tier on amo
[02:41] <micahg> LLStarks: being popular has nothing to do with memory
[02:41] <LLStarks> if they're popular, one would assume that they are quality and well-dev'd
[02:41] <LLStarks> with no leaks
[02:41] <micahg> LLStarks: doesn't need a leak to use lots of memory
[02:42] <LLStarks> abp, dta, flashgot
[02:42] <LLStarks> what the hell are they doing in the background?
[02:57] <gavin> have you compared memory use without them?
[02:57] <gavin> have you compared memory use to other browsers in similar conditions?
[02:57] <LLStarks> chromium is a featherweight even with extensions
[02:57] <LLStarks> never more than 50mb
[02:58] <gavin> including all of its processes?
[03:02] <LLStarks> i guess
[03:02] <LLStarks> wait
[03:03] <LLStarks> okay, fine 100mb
[03:17] <micahg> gavin: congrats on the acct manager project
[05:36] <gavin> micahg: why are you congratulating me? :)
[05:36] <micahg> gavin: idk, it seems like a popular project
[05:37] <gavin> micahg: was my name mentioned in relation to it, or ?
[05:38] <micahg> gavin: http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2010/04/account-manager-graduates-from-labs/
[05:39] <gavin> I see
[05:39] <micahg> gavin: did they draft you without you knowing ;)
[05:39] <gavin> heh, no
[06:30] <ddecator> dang, micah got off. anyone here familiar with the fact that -no-remote doesn't work properly? bug 393853
[06:31] <ddecator> i'm guessing it's a downstream issue, but i'm not sure if it can be fixed (i would hope it can) and if any more information is needed
[08:44] <BUGabundo_remote> Morning
[08:56] <ddecator> ha, micah hasn't been on in a while, but i keep getting bugmail from him..
[11:04] <sebner> asac: urgent ping
[11:08] <asac> sebner: pong
[11:08] <sebner> asac: I know micahg is responsible but he is not here, TB doesn't start in lucid (did a fresh reinstall)
[11:08] <asac> what happens?
[11:08] <sebner> Missing libmozjs.so
[11:08] <sebner> ebner@ubuntu:~$ ldd /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4/thunderbird-bin | grep "found"
[11:08] <sebner> 	libmozjs.so => not found
[11:08] <sebner> 	libxpcom.so => not found
[11:08] <sebner> 	libxpcom_core.so => not found
[11:08] <sebner> 	libldap60.so => not found
[11:08] <sebner> 	libprldap60.so => not found
[11:08] <sebner> 	libldif60.so => not found
[11:09] <asac> thats ok
[11:09] <asac> how do you start?
[11:09] <sebner> asac: It doesn't start
[11:09] <asac> 12:09 < asac> how do you start?
[11:10] <sebner> asac: ah
[11:10] <sebner> asac: sebner@ubuntu:~$ thunderbird
[11:10] <sebner> sebner@ubuntu:~$ cd /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4/
[11:10] <sebner> sebner@ubuntu:/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4$ ./thunderbird-bin
[11:10] <sebner> ./thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:10] <fta> you have to use the wrapper
[11:10] <asac> tight
[11:10] <asac> right
[11:10] <asac> 12:10 < sebner> sebner@ubuntu:/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4$ ./thunderbird-bin
[11:10] <sebner> fta: GUI way also doesn't work ;)
[11:10] <asac> -> thats supposed to give that error
[11:10] <asac> ps -eaf | grep thunder
[11:10] <asac> do you get anything?
[11:11] <sebner> sebner    2304  1680  0 12:10 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto thunder
[11:11] <asac> dpkg -l thunderbitrd
[11:11] <asac> dpkg -l thunderbird
[11:11] <asac> which thunderbird
[11:11] <asac> what do those give?
[11:12] <sebner> ii  thunderbird                       3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu4          mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support
[11:12] <asac> strace -f -eopen thunderbird 2>&1 | tee /tmp/log .... paste the log
[11:15] <sebner> asac: http://pastebin.com/sEFLZdd6
[11:16] <fta> gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto/command  ?
[11:16] <asac> sebner: thunderbird -safe-mode works?
[11:18] <sebner> asac: nope
[11:18] <sebner> fta: thunderbird %s
[11:18] <fta> ok, so tb-bin is not registered there, good
[11:19] <asac> seems it doesnt start with thunderbird for him
[11:23] <fta> the strace with just -eopen is not very helpful, try without it (but it's verbose)
[11:24] <fta> also paste a simple: sh -x /usr/bin/thunderbird 2>&1 | pastebinit
[11:24] <fta> sebner, ^^
[11:25] <sebner> fta: http://pastebin.com/0FwHbwQx
[11:25] <fta>  access("/home/sebner/.thunderbird", F_OK) = -1 ELOOP (Too many levels of symbolic links)
[11:26] <fta> known issue
[11:27] <sebner> fta: how to fiXX0r?
[11:29] <asac> ouch
[11:29] <asac> thats the link thing again
[11:30] <asac> too bad
[11:30] <asac> sebner: di you have .thunderbird.upstream?
[11:30] <sebner> asac: nope
[11:30] <asac> ls -dl /home/sebner/.thunderbird
[11:30] <asac> ls -dl /home/sebner/.thunderbird*
[11:30] <sebner> asac: drwx------ 3 sebner sebner 4096 2010-04-30 12:28 /home/sebner/.thunderbird
[11:31] <fta> sebner, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-April/000708.html
[11:31] <asac> ls -dl /home/sebner/.thunderbird/
[11:31] <asac> ls -dl /home/sebner/.thunderbird/Ü*
[11:31] <asac> err
[11:31] <asac> ls -dl /home/sebner/.thunderbird/*
[11:31] <sebner> asac: -rw-r--r-- 1 sebner sebner  335 2010-04-30 12:28 /home/sebner/.thunderbird/appreg
[11:31] <sebner> drwx------ 4 sebner sebner 4096 2010-04-30 12:28 /home/sebner/.thunderbird/c6y5f6u6.default
[11:31] <sebner> -rw-r--r-- 1 sebner sebner   94 2010-04-30 12:28 /home/sebner/.thunderbird/profiles.ini
[11:32] <fta> hm, it's different then
[11:32] <asac> strange... sure that is the same system as the system fro the strace?
[11:32] <sebner> bah
[11:32] <sebner> asac: yes ;)
[11:32] <asac> /home/sebner/.thunderbird -> complains about too many symbolic links
[11:32] <asac> but .thunderbird isnt a link
[11:33] <asac> double check. maybe you have a slogin session or something
[11:33] <sebner> asac: nope, uhh but after removing .*thunderbird it's working now, ehm with a fresh profile but anyways
[11:34] <asac> well. then we cant figure out what caused this
[11:34] <asac> and if you didnt do imap you lost all your mails now
[11:35] <sebner> asac: I saved my old .mozilla-thunderbird folder though. Can I copy it to .thunderbird?
[11:35] <asac> probably
[11:35] <asac> not into it ... but rather move the current away
[11:35] <asac> and copy it as ".thunderbird"
[11:37] <sebner> asac: done but still wants to open a new profile :/
[11:39] <asac> no clue. somethign is badly busted
[11:39] <asac> probably you did the copy wrong etc.
[11:39] <asac> no time atm
[11:41] <sebner> nah, I'm not that of a n00b, doing that since years ..
[11:55] <asac> ls -l $HOME/.thunderbird now
[11:57] <sebner> asac: it seems my old thunderbird folder got br0ken somehow, well, now I have a fresh/clean new one ^^
[12:00] <sebner> thx anyways
[12:33] <fta> where does Empathy store the user accounts? i need to restore them from a backup
[12:33] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, ^^ any idea?
[12:40] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: no. .local ?
[12:40] <fta> nope
[12:42] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, tried ~/.gconf/apps/empathy ~/.config/Empathy ~/.local/share/Empathy  nada
[12:44] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, n-m, found it
[12:44] <fta> it's ~/.mission-control
[12:44] <BUGabundo_remote> yep
[12:44] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[12:44] <BUGabundo_remote> suggestive name, isn't it?
[12:44] <BUGabundo_remote> its like .purple
[12:45] <fta> for .purple, i would have guessed it, because i know it uses libpurple
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  2351 1352e4    765         19K   2.7G   2.1G   2.7G   2.1G  28% VirtualBox
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  2270 2158e4   1299      40563K   1.9G   1.1G   1.9G   1.1G  14% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  2260 4857e3    256      40563K   1.8G   1.1G   1.8G   1.1G  14% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 18864 8803e3    190      40563K   1.3G 542.9M   1.3G 542.9M   7% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  7404 5917e3     16      40563K   1.2G 446.5M   1.2G 446.5M   6% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  1736 1230e4    271       1760K 575.2M 211.2M 575.2M 211.2M   3% Xorg
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote>  2119 8905e3   1309      40563K   1.3G 176.5M   1.3G 176.5M   2% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 17670 183990     14      40563K 942.9M 168.7M 942.9M 168.7M   2% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 16070 247088      8      40563K 905.7M 147.2M 905.7M 147.2M   2% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 23001 199044      1      40563K 910.7M 105.0M 910.7M 105.0M   1% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 21474  87434      0      40563K 875.0M 66148K 875.0M 66148K   1% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 19823  48391      5      40563K 864.3M 46240K 864.3M 46240K   1% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> 16060  88257      2      40563K 859.9M 46096K 859.9M 46096K   1% chromium-brows
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: ^^^^^^^
[14:37] <fta> doh
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> and that's NOT all of them
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> shame,.... it had several weeks running
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> with daily updates to with without restarting
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> running on debian unstable
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[15:17] <DASPRiD> there is such a cool thing, it is called pastebin or something like that :P
[15:36] <micahg> asac: ping
[16:07] <gnomefreak> ok i think my channels are correct now
[16:29] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[16:38] <gnomefreak> sorry i have certain channels that have to have certain window #s and its hard to do when chanels keep closing for a month or 2, one of these days i will get to that
[17:17] <micahg> asac: was the pfs DB ever updated...see bug 569135
[17:19] <micahg> bbiab
[19:11] <micahg> sebner: you still have the symbolic link issue?
[19:13] <micahg> sebner: were you on Lucid for the last month?
[19:13] <micahg> sebner: have you run thunderbird lately?
[19:20] <sebner> micahg: it was a fresh install and nope, I started a fresh profile so it works now
[19:20] <micahg> sebner: that worries me
[19:20] <micahg> sebner: I'll test with a live CD this weekend
[19:21] <sebner> micahg: :), I'm sorry, I wanted my mails ^^
[19:21] <micahg> sebner: np, I'm sorry for the trouble
[19:21] <micahg> sebner: you were right in more ways than one when you said I was responsible :-/
[19:22] <sebner> heh
[19:22] <sebner> micahg: you are the "maintainer" but it wasn't meant to offense you
[19:24] <micahg> sebner: I know, just pointing it out :)
[19:24]  * sebner hugs micahg :)
[19:25] <micahg> :)
[19:32] <fta> the indicator applet is sort of broken wrt Empathy & gwibber
[19:46] <fta> pff, i guess i should stop the bot, it's impossible to build anything with so few builders
[19:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:46] <BUGabundo> why are they so busy?
[19:48] <fta> BUGabundo, <bigjools> fta: yeah,all the DC machines get commandeered to push CDs out
[19:49] <BUGabundo> hum?
[19:49] <BUGabundo> but what CDs?
[19:49] <BUGabundo> they are all done
[19:49] <fta> i guess it's to upload them
[19:49] <fta> to users
[19:50] <fta> micahg, ^^ i stopped the dailies
[20:08] <micahg> fta: k, thanks, I'll fix the ff37 build failure over the weekend then
[20:08] <micahg> BUGabundo: probably download servers
[20:08] <BUGabundo> weird
[20:08] <fta> micahg, lp says the q is between 3 and 6 days, i hope they are wrong
[20:09] <micahg> fta: probably not
[20:09] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[20:12] <micahg> fta: my guess is someone uploaded a kernel or something like that to the PPAs
[20:12] <fta> yep, a few kernels all day long, some private builds, and a few other huge packages
[20:12] <fta> ours are huge too btw
[20:13] <fta> seems there are a bunch of other daily ppa too now
[20:14] <micahg> fta: well, the firefox/xul/TB ones are only an hour each
[20:14] <fta> we're no longer alone ;)
[20:15] <fta> the chromium uploaded 13h ago is schedule to start building in 20h :(
[20:17] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/23229/IE9_HTML5_Video_Will_Be_H264_Only
[20:18] <micahg> :(
[21:34] <micahg> asac: oing re pfs
[21:34] <BUGabundo> micahg: wanna join me in maverick?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I feel all alone in here
[21:35] <micahg> BUGabundo: where's maverick?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/
[21:36] <micahg> that was fast
[21:36] <micahg> BUGabundo: pre-release freeze?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> what freeze?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> its all open
[21:36] <micahg> BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9.2
[21:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:23] <fta> is there a FOSSCamp joint to UDS this time?
[23:49] <maxb> BUGabundo: I think it stays frozen until the toolchain uploads are complete
[23:49] <BUGabundo> maybe