[00:33] <tsimpson> @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease lucid
[04:39] <Flannel> Pici: Your munin thing is missing about 10 people from #u and -r-p, is it a polling type thing? or what?
[05:26] <Flannel> IdleOne: heh
[05:26] <IdleOne> I saw :P
[05:29] <IdleOne> he is not responding well
[05:30] <IdleOne> leave him on mute for a while. he is nowhere near ready to calm down
[05:31] <IdleOne> never been told to suck an egg before
[05:31] <IdleOne> heh
[05:34] <IdleOne> I asked him to come here when he is ready to discuss calmly
[05:38] <IdleOne> Flannel: should I unmute yarkot?
[05:39] <IdleOne> I suspect a rant and foul language will follow
[05:40] <Flannel> IdleOne: no, you told him to come here when he's ready right?
[05:40] <Flannel> ready to rejoin the channel, that is
[05:40] <IdleOne> yes
[05:40] <IdleOne> ok, will leave it
[05:41] <Flannel> You could also turn mute into ban
[05:41] <Flannel> quiets are more confusing, since you can join the channel, and most clients will show you as speaking
[05:41] <Flannel> so, no one knows you're not speaking, etc.  They can get forgotten
[05:42] <IdleOne> so if I set a ban the quiet gets removed/superseeded?
[05:42] <Flannel> ban, then remove quiet (or v.v.)
[05:42] <IdleOne> v.v.?
[05:42] <Flannel> If you have both a ban and a quiet set on a person, they can't speak or join the channel
[05:42] <Flannel> vice-versa
[05:43] <IdleOne> oh hehe
[05:43] <IdleOne> ok
[05:43] <Flannel> if you ban a person, they can't a) join the channel, b) speak in the channel (if they're already there)
[05:43] <Flannel> so, a ban makes a mute redundant
[05:47] <elky> I really wish for an ircd feature where redundant bans got overwritten, rather than replicated.
[05:47] <IdleOne> man this client is failing or is it me
[05:47] <bazhang> xchat?
[05:47] <IdleOne> yes
[05:48] <bazhang> using chanserv.py?
[05:48] <IdleOne> yes
[05:48] <bazhang>  /cs u nickname  after you /cs b nickname
[05:50] <IdleOne> yeah I thought that is what I did
[06:10] <jussi> Upgrade in progress. I wonder how slow its gonna be...
[06:10] <jussi> oh, and good morning :D
[06:11] <persia> good morning.  Very slow.
[06:13] <IdleOne> morning jussi
[06:14] <jussi> persia: actually, doing ok ish, somewhere between 400 and 700 kb/s :)
[06:14] <jussi> sitting on 564 currently
[06:31] <jpds> jussi: You are using fi.archive right?
[06:32] <jussi> jpds: I cant remember, Ive changed a few times
[06:33] <jussi> although speed has dropped significantly now
[06:33] <jpds> Current bandwidth utilization 627.32 Mbit/s
[06:33] <jussi> we are down to 200kb/s now
[07:29] <maco> the bot's still defaulting to karmic package versions instead of lucid ones on the !info call
[07:29] <persia> I watched that setting be changed.  Probably needs another thwack.
[07:29] <bazhang> not here
[07:30] <persia> [08:33] <tsimpson> @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease lucid
[07:30] <persia> [07:30] <IdleOne> works right here
[07:30] <persia> maco: which bot?
[07:30] <maco> ubottu
[07:30] <maco> i just did "!info lyx" in #kubuntu and it returned the karmic version info instead of lucid
[07:31] <bazhang> yep saw that. /msg ubottu works though
[07:31]  * maco raises an eyebrow
[07:31] <maco> it gave IdleOne the lucid version in #ubuntu
[07:31] <IdleOne> yup
[07:46] <jussi> @config channel #kubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease
[07:46] <jussi> @config channel #kubuntu plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease lucid
[07:46] <jussi> fixored
[07:46] <jussi> maco: ^^
[07:50] <maco> jussi: thanks
[07:51] <maco> jussi: by the way, how long does it usually take your quassel client to sync to the core?
[07:51] <maco> mine takes about 10 minutes
[07:51] <maco> oh and how much memory does top say quasselclient is using in the resident column?
[07:51] <jussi> lo
[07:51] <jussi> lol
[07:52] <jussi>  2514 jussi     20   0  289m  89m  16m S    1  3.0   3:42.40 quasselclient
[07:52] <maco> 13996 maco      20   0  782m 217m  42m S    1  5.5   4:57.87 quasselclient
[07:52] <jussi> maco: about 20 seconds?
[07:52] <jussi> maco: old version?
[07:52] <maco> 0.6.1
[07:52] <maco> the one in lucid
[07:52] <jussi> hrm
[07:52] <jussi> weird
[07:52] <jussi> thats pretty recent.
[07:53] <jussi> mind, I should update the core I guess...
[07:53] <jussi> maco: core restart coming soon.
[07:54] <maco> how long is soon?
[07:54] <jussi> soon as the build is finished (5 or 10 mins)
[07:54] <maco> ok
[07:54] <maco> whats your ping time for jussi01.com?
[07:54] <maco> (possibly related to 20s v. 10m)
[07:56] <persia> I find that my clients quit badly, and I end up running killall quasselclient every once in a while, which suddenly makes everything faster.
[07:57] <jussi> icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=21.3 ms
[07:58] <jussi> although its likely its that big because Im on ssh compiling atm.
[08:10] <maco> jussi: "big"
[08:10] <jussi> maco: ?
[08:10] <maco> icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=141 ms
[08:10] <jussi> lol
[08:11] <jussi> maco: did the update help you connection time?
[08:11] <maco> but yay that only took 5 minutes to sync
[08:11] <jussi> hehe
[08:11] <jussi> :D
[08:11] <maco> after it says like 210ms lag, /then/ it finally starts moving from 0% backlog downloaded to 1%
[08:23] <elky> is smb broken in lucid? i'm getting people tell me it is...
[08:24] <gord> not broken here
[08:24] <elky> 32 or 64?
[08:25] <ikonia> not broken on 64
[08:26] <gord> erm not sure, smbfs running on 32 and 64bit clients fine, the server won't let me ssh in right now to check, i appear to have forgotten my private key on this machine
[08:30] <elky> gord, <vox> if you browse the network, the share doesnt appear <vox> if you know the full smb path, it goes straight in
[08:36] <gord> sounds to me like a broadcast setting
[08:38] <topyli> only network problem i've had is my printer printing about 0.8 pages per minute
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[09:14] <ikonia> hello ogasawara_
[09:14] <ogasawara_> ikonia: hi
[09:15] <ikonia> ogasawara_: how can we help you today ?
[09:15] <ogasawara_> ikonia: I was under the impression I'm supposed to be on the channel being a new op (mainly for #ubuntu-kernel)
[09:16] <ogasawara_> ikonia: If that's not the case, I'm happy to drop from this channel
[09:16] <ikonia> oooh, I don't know about #ubuntu-kernel
[09:16] <ikonia> no no
[09:16] <ikonia> I'm probably wrong
[09:16]  * ikonia looks to the council if it's -ops or -irc
[09:33] <Tm_T> ogasawara_: feel free to stay until stated otherwise
[09:33] <Tm_T> and welcome
[09:33] <ogasawara_> Tm_T: ok thanks
[09:37] <topyli> ogasawara, -kernel is not a core channel, so technically you're not required to idle here. idling on -irc is definitely a good idea
[09:37] <ogasawara> topyli: ok cool, I'll switch then.  thanks.
[09:38] <Tm_T> topyli: we need to find out why they are directed here, I'd say
[09:38] <topyli> ogasawara, pl
[09:38] <topyli> oh,
[09:43] <topyli> Tm_T, directed?
[09:51] <elky> wow, -party has died already?
[09:52] <elky> Tm_T, it's probably a case of "you should idle in the ops channel" without it being qualified as to /which/ ops channel.
[09:58] <ikonia> elky: good
[09:59] <elky> could just be that the US has gone to bed.
[09:59] <ikonia> eithe way win
[09:59] <ikonia> either
[10:00] <elky> hey, i'm not complaining :P
[10:11] <elky> Dammit. I jinxed it.
[12:04] <elky> aww, it keeps undying
[12:04] <elky> darn zombie channel.
[12:33] <gord> there is one obvious solution. ircc needs to start supplying us with shotguns
[12:33] <knome> don't forget the whips
[12:34] <gord> thats for vampires
[13:20] <Pici> Flannel: It polls every 5 minutes
[14:06] <bazhang> jcbv trolling?
[14:07] <Pici> What do you think?
[14:51] <switchgirl> hi i want to complain about ubottu
[14:51] <Pici> yes?
[14:51] <switchgirl> it's not been programmed to know what time it is in the uk
[14:51] <switchgirl> but most other places work fine
[14:51] <Pici> Did you look at the URL that it gave you when you put in an invalid location?
[14:52] <switchgirl> yeah but still
[14:53] <Pici> switchgirl: The bot is still a computer program that takes parameters, it can't accept every sort of input.
[14:54] <switchgirl> i said @now UK
[14:54] <switchgirl> or @now Edinburgh
[14:54] <switchgirl> @now London
[14:54] <switchgirl> it knows london.... that'll have to do...
[14:54] <switchgirl> :s
[14:54] <switchgirl> sorry
[15:16] <linnylin> hey i need help asap i cant log into anything
[15:17] <linnylin> i upgraded from 9.10 wiht auto update swaped vid cards from old tnt to geforce 2 now i cantg log in nor could i ever nor did it ever work screen was all sticky and messed up
[15:18] <linnylin> dammit
[15:19] <Pici> linnylin: This is the Ubuntu operators channel. It looks like you have been banned from #ubuntu
[15:19] <Pici> Do you know why?
[15:19] <linnylin> yeah cause im mad my 2 pcs are not working now
[15:19] <linnylin> when they were working just fine yesterday
[15:20] <Pici> And?
[15:21] <linnylin> and what
[15:21] <linnylin> thye banned me cause im pissed dude
[15:21] <linnylin> i got sutff i need to be doing but i have to get thiese pcs up and running and
[15:22] <linnylin> i dont appreciate that auto update thing breakign my pc
[15:22] <linnylin> trying to upgrade to 10.04 if it dont work u should not have it up
[15:23] <linnylin> and u darn shure dont need to be telling people to reccomend this to their friends they might kick your ass
[15:24] <jpds> linnylin: You clearly did something wrong.
[15:24] <linnylin> no i didnt
[15:24] <linnylin> i followed the proceudres
[15:24] <linnylin> dont blame me
[15:24] <linnylin> yeah blame me for trusting that some things are free
[15:24] <linnylin> look pal u wanna help me get my pcs running since u seem like an ubuntu official
[15:25] <Pici> linnylin: Are you aware of our channel guidelines?
[15:25] <linnylin> im  not here for all that
[15:25] <Pici> Then you won't be joining our support channels any time soon.
[15:25] <linnylin> i just came in here ot get my pc back working lucking i hvae a lap top or i would be screwdd think of the people that dont
[15:27] <linnylin> ok im aware of the guidlines can i get support now
[15:29] <Pici> linnylin: So you understand what #ubuntu is for then?
[15:31] <linnylin> i gotta figure out how to fix my pcs
[15:31] <linnylin> guess i will go beat my dog
[15:32] <bazhang> wow
[15:33] <Pici> My patience was wearing thin there.
[15:41] <jrib> shame, they could share what went wrong so that it doesn't happen next time but instead...
[16:13] <ikonia> ubottu tell blendmaster1024 your factoid is a lie
[16:13] <bazhang> hehe
[16:13] <Pici> hah
[16:13] <ikonia> ??? err no, tell him not remember it
[16:14] <Pici> ubottu: forget tell blendmaster1024 your factoid
[17:31] <jrib> so what was the record yesterday?
[17:46] <tsimpson> the highest when I checked was ~2015
[17:46] <tsimpson> but I wasn't watching closely
[18:01] <ikonia> ughhh typing on this phone is tough
[18:01] <ikonia> if there was free wifi I could use my ipod
[18:07]  * gnomefreak uses phone to make and recieve phone calls :)
[18:07] <gnomefreak> 1769
[18:08] <gnomefreak> a little down from last time i looked
[18:27] <Pici> jrib: Peak for #ubuntu@freenode: 2120 (Thu Apr 29 13:32:40 2010)
[18:47] <MTecknology> I just don't get this... damn, hell, friggin, etc. are ok to use. but eff isn't. Could you guys explain this to me?
[18:48] <MTecknology> I just want to understand where the heck the line is because it went from being hazy to completely obscure.
[18:49] <IdleOne> damn hell and friggin shouldn't be ok to use either
[18:49] <MTecknology> IdleOne: I just got told to watch my language for using 'eff'. Rather than arguing there I want to ask here.
[18:50] <IdleOne> gimme a minute MTecknology I got a phone call
[18:50] <MTecknology> ok
[19:00] <IdleOne> MTecknology, sorry bout that
[19:00] <IdleOne> important call, couldn't hang up
[19:01] <IdleOne> ok so it is pretty simple actually. cursing is not allowed (you know that already) obfuscated cursing is just as bad as the real thing
[19:01] <MTecknology> IdleOne: they happen - without a doubt more important than this
[19:01] <IdleOne> MTecknology, glad you understand priorities :)
[19:01] <IdleOne> so anyway, if I say F you for example
[19:02] <IdleOne> or eff you
[19:02] <MTecknology> then how is friggin ok? that's obfuscation of fucking
[19:02] <IdleOne> you know exactly what it means right
[19:02] <IdleOne> it isn't
[19:02] <MTecknology> I see that somewhat frequently in ubuntu channels
[19:02] <IdleOne> but the ops are not always around and there is no rule saying that you can't enforce the rules also
[19:03] <MTecknology> I get lectured if I try to hit on things - I stopped helping in #ubuntu because of that
[19:03] <IdleOne> hit on things?
[19:03] <MTecknology> tell somebody not to swear or yell
[19:04] <IdleOne> Well, important thing is to try and enforce the rules but not seem like "it's my way or the highway"
[19:04] <IdleOne> then there is also common sense that comes into play and knowing when to let some things slide
[19:05] <MTecknology> I can see myself doing that a little bit. I'm a pretty strict person..
[19:05] <IdleOne> MTecknology, I am also. often times I have to stop myself from hitting the send key :/
[19:06] <MTecknology> I had a dream once where I wrote a script so any swearing in all of irc granted a kick :P
[19:06] <MTecknology> Not to mention some really off the wall dreams from just this morning... but ot
[19:07] <IdleOne> haha, yeah sometimes I thing the floodbots should have something like that for repeat offenders
[19:07] <IdleOne> s/thing/think
[19:07] <MTecknology> I'm also curious - since we're on this..
[19:07] <MTecknology> how is it that damn and hell are ok?
[19:08] <IdleOne> this is how I see it, if there is something you can not say in front of strangers while in line at a bank. Don't say it on irc :)
[19:08] <MTecknology> or is that one of those things where it's just easier to let it slide?
[19:09] <IdleOne> they aren't either but would you prefer we make a list of words that are not allowed or ask you nicely to use your judgement?
[19:09] <MTecknology> In addition to being strict- I'm also very open and opinionated :P
[19:09] <MTecknology> that's not me - I see damn and hell used VERY frequently in -ot
[19:10] <MTecknology> in irc I don't use those - except for here because we're discussing it..
[19:10] <IdleOne> Like I said before you can say something if those words make you uncomfortable.
[19:10] <IdleOne> We are all expected to follow and apply the guidelines and code of conduct, not just the ops and leadersd of Ubuntu but all users
[19:11] <MTecknology> I do, and I've asked an op to say something, I've mentioned it in the mailing list - and each time I'm told they're fine
[19:11] <IdleOne> MTecknology, maybe something to bring up to the IRCC at the next meeting ?
[19:11] <IdleOne> just so we can get clarification
[19:12] <MTecknology> will do- I should be able to make it
[19:12] <IdleOne> MTecknology, add it to the agenda
[19:12] <MTecknology> ok
[19:13] <MTecknology> one other thing... care if I query?
[19:13] <IdleOne> ask away
[19:13] <MTecknology> unless you want to hop into #ubuntu-drupal where it's relevant
[19:13] <IdleOne> up to you. /msg, in here, or there
[20:07] <AcePreshaw> ikonia
[20:07] <AcePreshaw> ?