| RAOF | Sarvatt: Yup; that got changed recently. People now shouldn't be able to switch from wont fix if they can't switch to won't fix. | 00:02 |
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| Sarvatt | sweet, just wish you could keep things marked fix released at the same status because there are *tons* of people reopening and reclosing the gem memory leak bug | 00:03 |
| Sarvatt | not saying anything, just changing the status to fix released - fix commited and fix commited - fix released in one go, probably spamming for karma :) | 00:04 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, yeah I filed a usability bug against launchpad about that one | 00:08 |
| bryceh | good god, I've never seen a bug with so many dupes - #507062 | 00:13 |
| Sarvatt | sooo | 00:14 |
| Sarvatt | linux-headers-generic | linux-headers | 00:14 |
| Sarvatt | nvidia-current requires that | 00:14 |
| RAOF | I *think* there may possibly be a fix for that… why haven't I pointed that bug at my aubergine ppa? | 00:14 |
| Sarvatt | if someone has -generic headers installed but is using the -generic-pae kernel without -generic-pae headers installed they are screwed :) | 00:15 |
| Sarvatt | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/569237 | 00:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 569237 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "package nvidia-current 195.36.15-0ubuntu2 failed to build on pae kernel: Could not determine kernel version" [Undecided,New] | 00:15 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Right. I'm pretty sure there is no way of ensuring that the user has the appropriate headers installed through dpkg. | 00:15 |
| bryceh | RAOF, you mean #507062 ? | 00:16 |
| Sarvatt | indeed, another one for the prop drivers notes | 00:16 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Yeah. #507062. I'm not sure if it's a fix, but the upstream “make the bits of Xlib that are meant to be threadsafe *actually* threadsafe” branch fixes a bunch of similar errors. | 00:17 |
| bryceh | ah | 00:17 |
| bryceh | yeah this sounds familiar, we've had threading issues in xcb before | 00:17 |
| RAOF | So, not at this point a fix that's remotely SRUable :) | 00:18 |
| bryceh | RAOF, shall I assign this one to you? | 00:18 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Yeah, go for it. | 00:18 |
| bryceh | we had one just like this in hardy, I'm having flashbacks | 00:18 |
| bryceh | there were workarounds that could be applied to foss apps, but we never did get the proprietary apps sorted | 00:19 |
| bryceh | and that bug stuck around like a thorn forever. maybe it's still open | 00:19 |
| RAOF | Possibly as a dupe of this one? :) | 00:19 |
| * bryceh goes ahuntin | 00:19 | |
| bryceh | 419501 maybe? | 00:21 |
| RAOF | “Selected text item” + “Find launchpad bug by nubmer” in Do is Love. | 00:21 |
| Sarvatt | bug 507062 | 00:21 |
| bryceh | bug #419501 | 00:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 507062 in libx11 "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062 | 00:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 419501 in gasp-core "apport-kde assert failure: python: ../../src/xcb_io.c:242: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed." [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419501 | 00:21 |
| * Sarvatt just wanted a link | 00:21 | |
| Sarvatt | ah yeah bryceh thats because the error is basically, X crashed underneath me and I couldn't connect | 00:22 |
| bryceh | mm | 00:22 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Yeah. I've posted the PPA on that, and it doesn't seem to totally fix everything :). It *does* fix the “ico -threads 10” testcase. | 00:22 |
| bryceh | ah yes I see | 00:23 |
| bryceh | actually 419501 isn't the one I was thinking of | 00:24 |
| bryceh | however I see shuttleworth asked me a question there that I didn't answer. whoops. | 00:24 |
| Sarvatt | whoops! | 00:24 |
| RAOF | :) | 00:25 |
| Sarvatt | xorg-edgers also has all of the libs and xcb updates that were added to possibly fix it, that was the main reason i rebuilt everything in there | 00:25 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: You built from the branch, or has that been merged now? | 00:26 |
| Sarvatt | ah no i didnt build the multithreaded xcb stuff, just the mass of libs that got updated to only call XAllocID with the display lock held | 00:29 |
| Sarvatt | there were 8 or 9 libs that were potentially where the problem was coming from | 00:30 |
| bryceh | heeeeere we go. bug #232364 | 00:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 232364 in xfce4-utils "dbus-launch hangs at session start waiting on socket output in libxcb" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/232364 | 00:32 |
| Sarvatt | libXi libXext libXtrap libXrender libXfixes libXdamage libXcomposite -- guess I overcounted | 00:32 |
| bryceh | we figured out that with open source stuff that the order that you start things up could mask the bug (comment #48) so we did that where we could (i.e. no solution for proprietary apps) and left it at that | 00:34 |
| Sarvatt | they all had non-threadsafe functions though | 00:34 |
| Sarvatt | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-commit/2010-April/date.html -- search the page for libXcomposite: Changes to 'master' Jamey Sharp | 00:38 |
| Sarvatt | thats where the updates were | 00:38 |
| Sarvatt | sheesh, friend can't boot the livecd on 3 of his machines with older nvidia cards, gogo nouveau! | 00:39 |
| Sarvatt | 7900GS 7800GT 7800GTX all dont work :( | 00:42 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: That makes me a sad panda. | 00:45 |
| RAOF | Is modesetting so hard that it needs to break across cards in the same generation?! | 00:47 |
| bjsnider | those cards aren't particularly old | 00:52 |
| bjsnider | i wonder what ben skeggs would say about that | 00:53 |
| bjsnider | use fedora, probably | 00:54 |
| RAOF | I wonder if you can boot fedora on a MacBook Pro 5,x :) | 00:54 |
| bryceh | RAOF, only if you contribute to upstream, you insensitive clod!! | 00:55 |
| Sarvatt | I asked him to boot fedora 13 to see if it worked, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will since we have a crapload more nouveau backports than they do :) | 01:04 |
| Sarvatt | err we have less I meant | 01:04 |
| * Sarvatt is eyeing the phantom tv out problems on 7xxx series that they are working around.. | 01:05 | |
| bjsnider | people can criticize ubuntu for that and also poulsbo | 01:07 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: They don't so much have nouveau backports as they've pulled in nouveau/linux-2.6 :) | 01:08 |
| RAOF | That's a valid point though: we currently don't distinguish between | 02:01 |
| RAOF | "connected but with broken EDID" and "disconnected". I think it sounds | 02:01 |
| RAOF | reasonable to treat the former as connector_status_unknown instead. | 02:01 |
| RAOF | That way, if nothing else is connected, X will still light you up at the | 02:01 |
| RAOF | fallback size. OOOH YES PLEASE. | 02:01 |
| RAOF | *That's* something to track and ensure it gets into Maverick :) | 02:04 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: at least thats a valid criticism, poulsbo isn't exactly something ubuntu specific.. | 05:01 |
| Sarvatt | hmm, wonder if i should munge the drm symbols and module name for psb-kernel-source so it doesn't interfere | 05:58 |
| Sarvatt | noone here using psb eh..? | 06:08 |
| * Sarvatt wants to make sure the kernel module is right before doing all of the rest of the packages | 06:08 | |
| Sarvatt | https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb | 06:10 |
| Sarvatt | oh hmm packaging needs a lot more work, no point shipping psb-modules and building them | 06:36 |
| Dr_Jakob | Hmm is anybody running any gallium based DRI drivers on Ubuntu 9.10. | 16:09 |
| Dr_Jakob | ? | 16:09 |
| Sarvatt | there's probably people on phoronix doing it, xorg-edgers doesn't have it at least | 17:03 |
| Dr_Jakob | Hmm ok | 17:04 |
| Dr_Jakob | I'm just trying to diagnose a very weird bug I'm seeing. | 17:04 |
| Dr_Jakob | Thanks anyway | 17:04 |
| Sarvatt | sorry, I dont have any systems on karmic to test :( | 17:06 |
| === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_dinner | ||
| Sarvatt | woo 6 day queue for PPA builds | 21:08 |
| === BUGabundo_dinner is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| jcristau | Sarvatt: by then people will have started flooding the archive with m stuff, so ppa will fall even more behind? :) | 21:09 |
| Sarvatt | I know I will be adding to that too :) | 21:10 |
| Sarvatt | already switched to maverick here | 21:11 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: maverick! | 21:12 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: say, how did you get around your initrd+make-kpkg issues? | 21:13 |
| * hyperair is compiling a new kernel right now and is interested to know | 21:13 | |
| Sarvatt | sudo update-initramfs -c pointing at the installed kernel and update-grub | 21:14 |
| BUGabundo | ALREADY? | 21:14 |
| Sarvatt | think i have to add the initrd line to grub manually too, can't remember since i haven't done it in a few months | 21:14 |
| BUGabundo | there's no tool chain yet | 21:14 |
| BUGabundo | is there?!? | 21:14 |
| Sarvatt | its all copied over from lucid right now | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh | 21:15 |
| * BUGabundo seds source.list | 21:15 | |
| BUGabundo | here I go | 21:15 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: lolwut | 21:15 |
| hyperair | BUGabundo: er there's no maverick in the repository.... | 21:15 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: oy april fools was last month. | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/ | 21:15 |
| hyperair | whut | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | eheeh | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | yes there is | 21:16 |
| hyperair | you have to be kidding m | 21:16 |
| hyperair | e | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | I changed to lucid on day two | 21:16 |
| hyperair | bah! | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | 36h after karmic was released | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | so I'm on time to move to maverick | 21:16 |
| hyperair | pfft | 21:16 |
| hyperair | my mirror hasn't updated. | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | very few will | 21:16 |
| Sarvatt | only archive.ubuntu.com yeah | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | I must use main until alpha1 | 21:17 |
| hyperair | heh? | 21:17 |
| hyperair | why wouldn't thye? | 21:17 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: when you do it that way you have to manually remove the /boot/initrd-whatever for that kernel when you remove the package too | 21:17 |
| hyperair | don't they all rsync from archive.ubuntu.com? | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 21:18 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: oh hell. that sounds really bothersome >_> | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | very few sync devel archive | 21:18 |
| Sarvatt | probably needs manual intervention to add the new release to each mirror, no idea though | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: should I keep a lucid repo for security updates | 21:18 |
| Sarvatt | it's only been up a few hours | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | or will everything be pushed to maverick repo ? | 21:18 |
| Sarvatt | i just changed the main ones to maverick and left all the -updates -security and stuff on lucid, wont be anything for a few days probably on maverick :) | 21:19 |
| BUGabundo | okay | 21:19 |
| BUGabundo | its what I usually do | 21:19 |
| BUGabundo | I run both repos for several weeks | 21:19 |
| BUGabundo | then I must take them out | 21:20 |
| BUGabundo | on 7.x something I had clash of packages deps cause of that | 21:20 |
| BUGabundo | but I've learned to deal with most of them, by now | 21:20 |
| Sarvatt | looking forward to gcc 4.5 though with -march=atom support for kernel building | 21:20 |
| BUGabundo | heh | 21:20 |
| BUGabundo | my mirror has it http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/dists/maverick/ | 21:20 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: honestly it's probably easier to just learn the ubuntu kernel build system for those mainline kernels, thats what i plan on doing next time i need a kernel built. theres a kernel-team git repo with the scripts to build them and doesn't look that complicated | 21:21 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: er actually what i'm worried about is disk space. | 21:22 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: the mainline kernels compile with debug symbols, then strip them | 21:22 |
| hyperair | that alone can blow my /home to hell | 21:22 |
| Sarvatt | you compile kernels on your encrypted /home?? | 21:22 |
| Sarvatt | that sounds painful! | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | yeah thats true though, i wasn't thinking about that and it'll be a problem here too | 21:23 |
| BUGabundo | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | only have 10GB on my VPS where I do it and make-kpkg already uses 4.5 or so | 21:23 |
| BUGabundo | boooo | 21:23 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: er everything's encrypted and stuffed in lvm | 21:24 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: you don't mean to say you compile everything on tmpfs | 21:24 |
| Sarvatt | probably adding 3x to the compilation length there :D | 21:24 |
| hyperair | meh | 21:24 |
| hyperair | i've got bfs | 21:25 |
| hyperair | so kernel compilations do nothing but heat up the comp | 21:25 |
| hyperair | compiz, X, and everything else runs as smoothly as ever \o/ | 21:25 |
| Sarvatt | BUGabundo: oh yeah the maverick kernels have been coming out for awhile now too but just in a PPA - https://edge.launchpad.net/~leannogasawara/+archive/ppa/+packages | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | fine by me :) | 21:30 |
| Sarvatt | nvidia aint going to work for awhile though no doubt | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | let me know when you guys have nvidia blobs or nouveau to test | 21:31 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/kteam-tools.git;a=summary theres those scripts that make the mainline daily kernels | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | I really hope we get better IO with the new kernel | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | the changes done in the last part of the cycle to lucid | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | killed all my IO boost | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | copying stuff is very slow | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | I dropped from over 55MBs ovver e-sata | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | with now impact to my system | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | to 26-30MB/s with my disk IO rendering the system useless | 21:41 |
| === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_bones | ||
| === BUGabundo_bones is now known as BUGabundo_Bones | ||
| hyperair | BUGabundo_Bones: use ionice | 21:50 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo_Bones, since when does esata work? | 21:51 |
| hyperair | BUGabundo_Bones: and btrfs, or something that doesn't suck as hard with fsync. | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | hyperair: I already do | 21:51 |
| hyperair | =\ | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | bjsnider: for ever? never had *any* prob with it | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | other then being asked GKSUDO for it | 21:52 |
| hyperair | huh? gksudo? | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | yeah to mount it | 21:52 |
| hyperair | er don't you always need root perms to mount anything that's not an external device? | 21:53 |
| hyperair | just stick it in fstab | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | no | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | usb sticks automount | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | no prob there | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | my e-sata disk, all stay umounted | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | and clicking on the icon, to mount, asks password | 21:54 |
| hyperair | so stick it in fstab | 21:54 |
| bjsnider | why should a regular user need root permission to mount a filesystem? | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | but why would I need it for some, and not for others | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | no idea | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | I filed it a while ago | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | no one ever touched it | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | I stop caring | 21:55 |
| bjsnider | well, at least it's not as bad as fedora, where you have to type in a password every time you move the mouse | 22:00 |
| Sarvatt | i just chmod/chgrp the mount point to my account | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | ahahhahaahahaha | 22:03 |
| bjsnider | giving the regular user ownership over /media would solve some of the mount permission annoyance i guess | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | I can try | 22:06 |
| * BUGabundo_Bones goes hacking FS | 22:06 | |
| BUGabundo_Bones | $ sudo chown bugabundo.bugabundo /media -R | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | chown username:groupname /media | 22:07 |
| Sarvatt | oops i didn't mean chmod there | 22:08 |
| Sarvatt | vish: looks like your problem isnt the same as any of these bugs | 22:11 |
| bjsnider | would changing /media's ownership persist after a reboot? | 22:12 |
| Sarvatt | vish: 2.6.33.3 didn't fix anyone else on any of the bugs and no one else in them is having the problem on lvds it seems as far as I can tell (they 5 bugs I'm looking at are all external monitor related) | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo_Bones | bjsnider: ill know tomorrow | 22:14 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: yay i got it working, with update-initramfs and all. just ln -s everything from /usr/share/kernel-package/etc/kernel/*.d | 22:37 |
| * hyperair is off to reboot into new kenrel | 22:37 | |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: woohoo! | 22:37 |
| Sarvatt | it's funny i've been using kernel-package 12.x for over a year and still haven't set it up right :) stopped caring about building my own around the same time | 22:38 |
| Sarvatt | if i used my turion machine more i'd be doing it because PHC rocks | 22:39 |
| Sarvatt | undervolting atom as low as it'll go makes almost no difference | 22:39 |
| Sarvatt | i'll be glad pcie aspm will finally be enabled in MM though, that and force quirking my ata controller into SATA mode were the main reasons I built my own kernels but I figured out how to just edit the efi variables in the bios to change it to SATA mode directly | 22:41 |
| Sarvatt | psb is close - http://pastebin.com/yjDNXS0u | 22:45 |
| Dr_Jakob | Sarvatt: I die a little bit inside every time somebody says psb. | 22:47 |
| === BUGabundo_Bones is now known as BUGabundo_Naruto | ||
| === BUGabundo_Naruto is now known as BUGabundo | ||
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