[00:00] <Guest19942> hola
[00:00] <_Techie_> hello Guest19942
[00:01] <Guest19942> Is posible update to Xubuntu 10.04 by the command "sudo update-manager -d?
[00:02] <_Techie_> yes
[00:02] <charlie-tca> don't use the -d
[00:02] <_Techie_> or you can sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:02] <charlie-tca> final is out. If you start update-manager, it should tell you a new version 10.04 is available
[00:03] <Guest19942> yes
[00:03] <charlie-tca> just click upgrade
[00:04] <Guest19942> but it tell me there's a new version of UBUNTU 10.04, not XUBUNTU
[00:04] <charlie-tca> If you installed Xubuntu, it will upgrade Xubuntu
[00:04] <Guest19942> ok!!!!
[00:04] <charlie-tca> even if the text is wrong.
[00:04] <Guest19942> thank you!!!
[00:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[00:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, now I have a working proxy... *yay*
[00:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> thanks to _Techie_  ,the genius :-)
[00:50] <_Techie_> im not a genius, i just have problems with restrictive authorities
[00:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, me too :-)
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Great! we need a genius in here to help out
[00:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> we need a genius to solve the vanising panels problem :-)
[00:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> +h
[00:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> afk eating some fish with toast and butter (not in that order)
[00:58] <charlie-tca> hmmm, seems like butter with fish and toast would be wrong
[00:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes exactly. more like apt-get install "toastbutterfish"
[00:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> (not bragging with my turbo pascal knowledge now)
[01:00] <_Techie_> hey LinuxGuy2009
[01:01] <LinuxGuy2009> Hello Im working on a buntu multiboot DVD on launchpad and needed to know if on the live CD if the initrd file found in /casper is named either "/casper/initrd.lz" or "/casper/initrd.gz"? Would someone be so kind as to verify this for me?
[01:01] <LinuxGuy2009> _Techie_: Hi there!
[01:01] <LinuxGuy2009> For Lucid of course
[01:01] <_Techie_> anyone here from the US that might be willing to donate the use of a shell account on one of their linux machines
[01:02] <_Techie_> Sachse_Siechtum, got a shell hosting service in washington
[01:03] <_Techie_> however for ssh forwarding you need an upgraded subscription
[01:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, which means...spending money..
[01:03] <charlie-tca> LinuxGuy2009: might be better to ask in #ubuntu-installer, but I don't know if anyone is available tonight.
[01:04] <_Techie_> which according to the information they have given me is $36 one time only
[01:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm
[01:04] <_Techie_> but il keep searching
[01:04] <LinuxGuy2009> charlie-tca: Ok thank you
[01:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> thank you so much....if you find something send me your adress please, so I can send you a packge of fine german beer...
[01:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> so "all your friend will highfive and whorship you forever"
[01:06] <_Techie_> haha, too bad your not russian
[01:06] <_Techie_> i got a mate whose after some real russian vodka
[01:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe...maybe I can find some import vodka
[01:07] <_Techie_> dound a few, not sure if they are still active though
[01:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[01:10] <_Techie_> no luck, of the 3 i came accross, 2 were completely offline and the passwords for the third had been changed
 I kinda wanna hack every wow server and  break it and throw the world into chaos because i'm almost certain wow  addicts everywhere would suffer withdrawals and rebel
[01:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah no bother. I'm glad I have one :-)
[01:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> ROFL
[01:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh noes!
[01:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> The world would sink into chaos..
[01:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> and brutal street gangs would terrorize the people...
[01:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> ...and one man had to save us all....the lone wanderer...the street warrior...
[01:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> MAD MAX!
[01:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, some funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yX2jXbTVkw
[01:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[01:22] <_Techie_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[01:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, ROFL brilliant! I was lik WTF the whole time! LOL
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, Apple OS is more or less an expensive Linux OS ...
[01:28] <_Techie_> yes
[01:28] <_Techie_> its BSD based
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> without the adaptability
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah I know
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> a friend of mine owns a imac...
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> an
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> I used it for a week
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> "used"
[01:29] <_Techie_> i have a mac
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> after that I got "cairo-dock" for my xubuntu..
[01:29] <_Techie_> its a Powerbook G4 titanium 15"
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> after 2 weeks it was annoying
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> and I got ried of it...
[01:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice
[01:30] <_Techie_> i run linux on mine atm
[01:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dont like mac...
[01:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice
[01:30] <_Techie_> but linux doesnt like the graphics card
[01:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just find macs to expensive
[01:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh
[01:30] <_Techie_> it works, but not as well as in OSX
[01:31] <_Techie_> hrmm, maybe ill re isntall OS X today
[01:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> why didnt you buy a pc (without the windows)?
[01:31] <_Techie_> i got given this from my dad
[01:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> wouldnt it be cheaper?
[01:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[01:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh well *g*
[01:32] <_Techie_> he used it while he was waiting for his macbook pro 17" titanium
[01:33] <_Techie_> so i now have a laptop with a shit ass processor and minimal battery life
[01:33] <_Techie_> oh yay, lucid is done downloading
[01:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice :-)
[01:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> well not the laptop *g*
[01:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> but in some days I gonna get an ancient laptop from my judo teacher...the only thing I know is: it has 128 mb ram *g*
[01:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> and there is Win XP on it...
[01:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> so I'll go either for Lubuntu or Slitaz
[01:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> already burnt 2 live cds :-)
[01:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> slitaz looks very good for just 30 mb :-)
[01:38] <_Techie_> i used to have a n old 386 laptop, with a floppy drive... windows 3.1 an 4mb RAM
[01:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, woah...I've seen a monochrome laptop once with an external cd rom single speed drive...top that one *g*
[01:41] <_Techie_> this one does top it
[01:41] <_Techie_> this was before they had cdroms
[01:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh wait...some time in 1997 I was playing with a friend...soccer on a C64!
[01:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> with joysticks!
[01:42] <_Techie_> even had a trackball mouse
[01:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> woah
[01:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> and this game was loading from a 3"5 floppy drive!
[01:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> damn does this make me a geek, because I remember this? LOL
[01:44] <_Techie_> no
[01:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah...in 1997 I used to have a life :-)
[01:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe today I'm more of a geek than in the past..
[01:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> my first pc had Win 95 on it...
[01:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> I think til last year linux wasnt even existing for me :-(
[01:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> til I had it with my slow Win XP install *g*
[01:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> alright I'm off to bed ceya
[01:50] <_Techie_> cya
[01:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, thanks again :-)
[01:50] <_Techie_> no prob man
[01:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh wtf!
[01:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> cant start jdownloader.jar
[01:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/ExecutableBit
[01:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> why does this remind me of windows vista?
[01:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok solved it
[01:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> phew
[01:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> well went faster than in vista *lol*
[01:54] <_Techie_> sudo chmod a+x filename.jar
[01:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I did "porperties ...access right...and done
[01:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> rights
[01:58] <raj> guys is there anyone in here capable of reading logs and determining how to fix? its about a game smokin guns... I have the log file openAL refuses to open and i get errors while trying to run VM any ideas? i would really appreciate any help :( here is my log file ANYONE? I couldnt FIND anything online!!!! http://pastebin.org/193449   PLEASE HELP :) THANK YOU
[01:59] <_Techie_> yay for using extremely busted up MP3 players as flash drives
[01:59] <_Techie_> pastebin the logs and we can take a look at it
[02:00] <_Techie_> hehe, another q3 based game
[02:01] <_Techie_> does the file ./vm/ui.qvm exist?
[02:09] <_Techie_> raj, does the file ./vm/ui.qvm exist?
[02:10] <raj> _Techie_:  shouldnt it exist???? it was running fine yesterday
[02:10] <_Techie_> odd
[02:10] <raj> tech where can i find the file?
[02:11] <raj> _Techie_:  where can i find it?
[02:11] <_Techie_> in the vm folder
[02:11] <raj> _Techie_:  1 sec
[02:12] <raj> _Techie_:  is it under filesystems or .vm home folder? cant find vm under filesystem
[02:12] <_Techie_> i would think it would be located in with the game files
[02:40] <_Techie_> anyone here got experience with software raid arrays?
[02:44] <xivix> so how's the new version?
[02:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice...
[02:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> not so much different on the outside (except the boot screen)
[03:04]  * charlie-tca waves bye. see you tomorrow! 
[03:10] <arthur1> hi
[03:10] <arthur1> Forgive for my Englishman, I have just updated xubuntu 10.04 and the menu of xfce this one distorted in this configuration everything it of "system" and this one also "system". Can someone help me?
[03:17] <arthur1>  Sorry  my English is bad, I have just updated xubuntu 10.04 and the menu of xfce this one distorted in this configuration everything it of "system" and this one also "system". Can someone help me?
[03:19] <arthur1> Thank you for your help, I look now for the channel of xfce
[03:29] <arthur1> somebody can help me?
[03:32] <arthur1> as I can modify the menu of xfce?
[03:34] <arthur1> >:o
[04:33] <_Techie_> !panels
[05:26] <_Techie_> whenever any sound plays to my sound card, all i hear is noise, even with system sounds (when running in 5.1 out + analog in, i get surround sound noise)
[07:25] <ircipimp> mr_pouit: ping
[09:09] <spazz> hi
[09:09] <spazz> I got lucid yesterday.. and it moves my mouse cursor faster in horizontal directions than in vertical directions.. how can I fix that!?
[09:16] <mr_pouit> ircipimp: pong
[09:19] <ircipimp> mr_pouit: hi. I've seen your reply in #566900 regarding the integration of xfce and gnome-session and i suspect this to be the cause of #564831 as well (which i reported). Can you confirm this?
[09:19] <ircipimp> And if so, can we figure out a workaround to get gnome-keyring-daemon integrated into xfce4-session?
[09:19] <ircipimp> (didn't we have a bot here posting links to bug numbers?)
[09:29] <minimec> Hi folks. I am using a xfce4-terminal in combination with e17 WM. Is there A way to prevent 'always on top' of the Terminal window when I go into Fulscreen mode?
[09:34] <mr_pouit> ircipimp: I don't have any clear idea for this one. gnome-keyring isn't automatically started by xfce4-session now. But if the desktop files are present in xdg/autostart, it will... If it is requested by nm-applet over dbus, it will be started by dbus...
[09:34] <mr_pouit> ircipimp: Anyway, gnome-keyring has been rewritten for 2.30, so I don't think the doc is up-to-date in this aspect :(
[09:35] <ircipimp> yes. the problem seems to be, that the environment variables printed by g-k-d are not imported into the env
[09:35] <mr_pouit> iirc, there is gnome-keyring 2.30.1 in -proposed, you should try it :]
[09:35] <ircipimp> ok, i'll try that
[09:35] <mr_pouit> ircipimp: I looked a bit at the code a few days ago, and there are two ways to set these vars: by g_setenv() and over dbus with gnome-session
[09:36] <mr_pouit> (I don't know how gnome-keyring decides which way though...)
[09:37] <ircipimp> which mechanism does g_setenv use to push the variable to env?
[09:38] <ircipimp> until karmic i just started g-k-d manually in .xsession. However since lucid, nm-applet won't be able to connect, it i start it that way.
[09:38] <mr_pouit> g_setenv is just "the normal way that should work everywhere"
[09:39] <ircipimp> can it be, that xsession get executed before dbus, thus g-k-d cannot register with dbus and fails to do so when dbus comes up, but dbus fails on starting g-k-d when requested by nm-applet?
[09:41] <ircipimp> i'll go and try 2.30.1
[09:41] <ircipimp> thanks for the help so far!
[09:42] <mr_pouit> ircipimp: feel free to comment on the bug report if you understand the issue ;)
[09:43] <ircipimp> yes, i will try to further track this down during the weekend. Having to type "ssh-add" after each login annoys me, especially as it is a regression bug
[09:46] <xubuntu801> hello
[09:46] <xubuntu801> i want to install xubbubunt
[09:46] <ircipimp> xubuntu801: nice
[09:46] <xubuntu801> and use autocad
[09:46] <xubuntu801> free
[09:46] <xubuntu801> help!
[09:53] <bestfan> xubunto is best?
[09:54] <psycho_oreos> its a matter of taste
[11:08] <Name141> Will I be able to upgrade through the ISO if I have both Xfce and Gnome desktops installed?
[11:46] <psycho_oreos> doubt it
[11:48] <Name141> I gotta wait till tomorrow anyway
[11:48] <Name141> I'm almost out of unlimited bandwith hours
[11:48] <Name141> AKA: 14 more ins
[11:48] <Name141> mins*
[11:58] <mirmillo> It's possibile to start ubuntu in cli mode?
[11:58] <psycho_oreos> yes, append single into kernel line
[11:58] <mirmillo> It's possibile to start xubuntu in cli mode?
[11:58] <_Techie_> yes
[11:58] <psycho_oreos> refer to above
[11:58] <_Techie_> add suffix the boot options with text
[11:59] <mirmillo> _Techie_: How can I do that?
[11:59] <_Techie_> you could edit it in grub at boot time
[11:59] <psycho_oreos> !grub2
[11:59] <_Techie_> or you could edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:00] <_Techie_> psycho_oreos, single is not what were after here
[12:00] <_Techie_> CLI was asked for, not insta-root
[12:00] <_Techie_> single will throw you in as root, however text will give you a terminal where you can login as a regular user
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> _Techie_, still its text mode
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> yes not quite correct as yours but close
[12:01] <_Techie_> i just dont want someone sitting in root all the time if they dont know what they are doing
[12:01] <_Techie_> its extremely dangerous
[12:02] <mirmillo> _Techie_: _Techie_ what should I add to /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[12:17] <schlaftier> mirmillo: DON'T edit grub.cfg directly
[12:17] <schlaftier> mirmillo: if you are on Karmic or Lucid, try this:
[12:17] <schlaftier> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8779719&postcount=3
[12:36] <aigoo> I've tried to mount a ntfs partition and a get an error when the system startx. This is the link with my /ect/fstab : http://pastebin.com/ZVrs2pZN
[12:36] <kangarooo> hello. big problem. no sound on upgrade and .m3u file not recogized and cant be recognized and cant be made to open with witch program
[12:38] <kangarooo> m3u file i clicked right click properties and before upgrade i was able to change with with program file needs to be opened in file properties
[12:39] <moetunes> aigoo: shouldn't it be something like /dev/sda2? on the last line?
[13:51] <aigoo> How can I change the run level to 3?
[13:51] <psycho_oreos> init 3
[13:51] <psycho_oreos> err sudo init 3
[13:51] <bazhang> !runlevel | aigoo
[13:52] <Sysi> telinit ?
[13:53] <aigoo> Sysi: I want to start my system directly in cli mode.
[13:53] <bazhang> stop gdm?
[13:54] <bazhang> aigoo, this is permanent?
[13:54] <aigoo> bazhang: yes, it is.
[13:54] <bazhang> aigoo, fresh install? or upgrade
[13:55] <_Techie_> aigoo, suffix the boot parameters with "text" without quotation marks
[13:55] <aigoo> bazhang: fresh install
[13:56] <bazhang> aigoo, well if its permanent you might consider the minimal installer (around 10mb download) and install only what you need
[13:56] <_Techie_> aigoo, suffix the boot parameters with "text" without quotation marks
[13:56] <moetunes> isn't not starting gdm in rc2.d easier?
[13:57] <aigoo> bazhang: Can you give me a link?
[13:57] <bazhang> aigoo, hang on
[13:57] <aigoo> bazhang: ok
[13:57] <moetunes> !minimal
[13:58] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[13:58] <bazhang> whoops
[14:00] <_Techie_> seriously guys, if you want to load a CLI
[14:01] <_Techie_> the easiest way is to take the boot parameters and add text to the end, no need to screw aaround with runlevels
[14:01] <_Techie_> !grub
[14:01] <_Techie_> !grub2
[14:01] <aigoo> _Techie_: Where to add that?
[14:02] <Sysi> or just remove gdm
[14:02] <_Techie_> aigoo, in the boot parameters
[14:02] <_Techie_> Sysi, while that will achieve what were after, it will however it requires modification of the system
[14:03] <Sysi> yeah, but it's easy
[14:04] <_Techie_> Sysi, so is adding text, it can even be done during boot if you want
[14:04] <aigoo> bazhang: It's possibile to install a minimal Xubuntu version?
[14:05] <bazhang> aigoo, well you add xubuntu and its not really minimal anymore
[14:05] <Sysi> pure cli is also possible with alternate-cd
[14:05] <bazhang> aigoo, the package xubuntu-desktop though can certainly be installed though
[14:05] <bazhang> minus though
[14:08] <aigoo> thank you guys for your help.
[14:39] <MaxFrames> hello
[14:39] <charlie-tca> !hi | MaxFrames
[14:39] <MaxFrames> I have just upgraded from karmic to lucid and I am a less-than-happy cat :(
[14:39] <MaxFrames> thunar is broken... in detailed view there is no way to select items
[14:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:40] <charlie-tca> But compact view and icon view work fine
[14:40] <MaxFrames> and I have also issues with synergy+ (OK, it's not officially supported, but it worked on karmic)
[14:40] <charlie-tca> bug 520118
[14:41] <MaxFrames> there is no solution right now, is there?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> synergy+ I don't know, but you could look if there is a bug filed and if not, report the issue in launchpad
[14:41] <charlie-tca> no solution to thunar, no, not for us or arch or any other distro at this time
[14:41] <MaxFrames> right now, I am trying to build the latest release candidate of synergy+, to see if it gets better
[14:43] <MaxFrames> I must say that I am disappointed... karmic brought a major problem (gnome-screensaver not locking the screen, required to roll back to xscreensaver) and now this is also quite an annoyance
[14:45] <MaxFrames> from launchpad I gather that this issue was known in beta stage... why did they release it like this if they knew about it?
[14:46] <moetunes> comes down to time and number of uses prob
[14:46] <moetunes> users I meant
[14:46] <MaxFrames> well, thunar is the default xubuntu file manager isn't it? so anyone upgrading xubuntu will face this bug
[14:46] <charlie-tca> Well, sometimes it becomes a choice, release or never release
[14:47] <MaxFrames> "never" is exaggerated
[14:47] <MaxFrames> "later" is more likely
[14:47] <charlie-tca> right, could have waited 6 months
[14:47] <MaxFrames> no problem... better than upgrading to a non working release
[14:47] <moetunes> I've never used "detailed view"
[14:48] <charlie-tca> There is no fix that upstream has been able to find, how long would be reasonable?
[14:48] <MaxFrames> this is the last time I trust the next LTS to be better than the previous release
[14:48] <charlie-tca> I don't see a non-working release mentioned. I see a release that has a bug that can be easily worked around
[14:49] <MaxFrames> when I got the gnome-screensaver bug, there were two solutions... 1) revert to xscreensaver (which canonical did with lucid anyway) and 2) roll back a couple of versions... both worked...
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Not everyone uses detailed view. It is an option you set up
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Some bugs are easier to workaround than others. You still have options. Use icon or compact view. They do not freeze thunar
[14:49] <MaxFrames> it's like selling a car and say "don't move your seat from the default position, it could get loose, if it does it's your fault because you moved it to suit your needs"
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Default is icon view, not detailed view
[14:50] <MaxFrames> read again please
[14:50] <MaxFrames> I should be able to customize a setting to my needs...
[14:51] <moetunes> there's 20000+ apps in xubuntu
[14:51] <charlie-tca> workaround: use compact view, press ctrl+2 to see detailed view when you get to the folder you need to look at the dates in
[14:51] <MaxFrames> moetunes: I'm not talking an obscure app (like synergy+ admittely is), but the default file manager!
[14:51] <charlie-tca> enough rant now. Do you have an issue you need help with?
[14:51] <MaxFrames> yes, with synergy+
[14:52] <charlie-tca> !question
[14:52] <MaxFrames> sometimes, when I switch to the "server" (windows) and then back to the client (lucid), the key mapping is screwed
[14:52] <MaxFrames> does not happen every time so it's hard to identify the reason
[14:53] <MaxFrames> for example, I type "-" and get "_"
[14:53] <MaxFrames> or type lower case and get upper case (and cannot toggle upper case lock)
[14:53] <MaxFrames> unfortunately, being noob, I cannot seem to be able to build a newer version of synergy+ to see if it fixes the issue
[14:54] <MaxFrames> the command should be ./hm.sh build, but it gives me unknown command
[14:56] <MaxFrames> I'm sorry about the ranting... but I'd really like to discuss the "release or die" concept... is there a "loose ubuntu chat" room available?
[14:57] <charlie-tca> #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:57] <MaxFrames> ok, thanks
[14:57] <TomJ> Xubuntu 9.10 - my menu bar and taskbar have disappeared.  normally I ahve the menu at the top and a task list at the bottom, both have gone. I can see the desktop with its icons, but can't find how to get the menus back
[14:57] <charlie-tca> !panel | TomJ
[14:57] <TomJ> (nor do I know what made them disappeared -it's actually my Mum's laptop, so she might have pressed anything.)
[14:58] <TomJ> OK - it crashes often?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> panels?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> TomJ: the panels crash often, or the whole system?
[14:58] <Sysi> pretty often, devs just still can't reproduce it :D
[14:58] <TomJ> ah, "Since disappearing panels occurs often".  Is this improved in 10.04?  Seems quite a big issue
[14:59] <TomJ> charlie-tca: I meant xfce4-panel is crashing - to me it only happened once, but that link says it happens often
[14:59] <TomJ> OK, but this issue persisted reboots - I guess that's because I have "save session" enabled?
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Well, for me it improved, I haven't crashed the panels in 10.04 since alpha2
[14:59] <TomJ> and shouldnt xfce4-panels appear in the session startup list?  Or does something else start it?
[14:59] <TomJ> charlie-tca: I am on 9.10 - I will try 10.04
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I think it is started by something else
[15:00] <TomJ> OK - but it doesnt come back for me on reboots at the moment.  so either its absence is being saved by the session manager, or else it is crashing on every startup
[15:01] <TomJ> I guess I will know the latter once I restart it with alt-f2
[15:01] <TomJ> anyway I'm going to reinstall with 10.04.   9.10 hasn't been going great for me so far - had a few other issues also
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Once it crashes, it won't restart by restarting the system. You do have to restart it separately
[15:01] <TomJ> charlie-tca: ok thanks
[15:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:02] <moetunes> it helps if you backup .config/xfce/panel
[15:06] <MaxFrames> can you suggest a replacement for thunar (and how to make it the default file browser)?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> nautilus?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> I would only know to remove thunar and install the other one. That will make the new one default, I think
[15:08] <MaxFrames> perhaps
[15:10] <moetunes> pcmanfm is light
[15:31] <MaxFrames> when the "caps lock" and "scroll lock" keyboard leds blink at the same time, it means kernel panic, doesn't it?
[15:33] <genii> MaxFrames: When all 3 keyboard lights flash on and off continuously, yes kernel panic
[15:33] <MaxFrames> the "num lock" was not blinking
[15:34] <genii> MaxFrames: If they just blink once when you turn the computer on and no more, your motherboard passed it's self-check
[15:34] <MaxFrames> maybe it was "kernel anxiety" :D :D
[15:34] <genii> Heh
[15:34] <MaxFrames> it happened when I shut down, and they were blinking continuously and the screen was blank; I had to force the shutdown
[15:52] <MaxFrames> bye
[16:41] <abubakar> hi any one there to help me
[16:42] <hatake_kakashi> ask and you may receive
[16:42] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[16:45] <abubakar> I was customising the panel in panel manager.I dont know ,suddenly one of my panels containing the browsers has disappeared.what should I do to restore it.
[16:45] <bazhang> !panels
[16:52] <Prajwal> started downloading xubuntu 10.04
[16:53] <Prajwal> waiting to test it 8)
[16:54] <jst_> Is it just me, or does Xubuntu run faster with no background image set?
[16:54] <Prajwal> hmm background image??
[16:54] <jst_> Yes.
[16:54] <Prajwal> what does it have to do with it ?
[16:54] <jst_> Desktop wallpaper, whatever.
[16:55] <jst_> I don't know, it just seems faster when I don't have one set.
[16:55] <Prajwal> is it so large image??
[16:55] <jst_> It's the default one, so I don't think so.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> anybody running a portable computer with Xubuntu that can test a couple of packages?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Packages are in proposed, to fix bugs
[17:06] <charlie-tca> jst: depending on your system specs, it might be faster without the image
[17:59] <handjob> Hi. I just upgreaded. Someone willing to help me get the sound back please?
[18:31] <handjob> Sound card detected. Module loaded. No sound. Help.
[18:31] <Sysi> everything unmuted etc?
[18:31] <handjob> Everything.
[18:31] <handjob> Ah just updated to 10.04.
[18:32] <handjob> I will drop some pastebin.
[18:32] <handjob> Give me a sce.
[18:37] <handjob> "Sb live 5.1 (alsa mixer)" marked in the sound mixer. Output of lspci -v and less /proc/asound/modles - http://pastebin.com/XN18MGE7 , http://pastebin.com/d8WjX8sD . Everything unmutted in the alsamixer. Don't knew what to do anymore.
[18:51] <handjob> I just checked the speakers with aplay and (most of them) does work. Now i am really confused.
[18:52] <TheSheep> how do you check for sound?
[18:52] <TheSheep> maybe you are just missing the codecs for whatever audio file you try to play?
[18:55] <moetunes> simple check is   aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[18:55] <handjob> Well maybe that's the case. Thx.
[18:59] <handjob> What sound i install to play wav. files? Do You think that these could be deleted in the upgrade process?
[19:00] <handjob> *What sound codecs sould I
[19:11] <handjob> Ok once again speaker test is making noise however exaile, totem, firefox does not. "Restricted" package is installed. Help.
[19:25] <handjob> Could someone help me fix the problem with missing sound?
[19:26] <Besogon> hello. Why can't I open with thunar samba shared foulders using Giglo?
[19:27] <kangarooo> hello after update yesterday i dont have music playing
[19:27] <kangarooo> sound is lost
[19:30] <handjob> Ha ha. Welcom in the club.
[19:30] <handjob> *welcome
[19:31] <handjob> I am about to reboot after excluding the puls from automatic startup list. Brb to tell if something changed.
[19:34] <handjob> No luck.
[19:34] <handjob> kangarooo, can u perform speaker test. It's strange but it works on my box.
[19:35] <kangarooo> ok ill do it handjob only how?
[19:35] <handjob> speaker-test -D surround51 -c 6
[19:35] <handjob> ctrl to exit.
[19:36] <KaNgArOoO> handjob its not making sound.
[19:36] <handjob> Oh i am not sure should You give surround argument. I am such a audio noob.
[19:37] <handjob> However thx.
[19:37] <KaNgArOoO> Playback device is surround51 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 6 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[19:38] <KaNgArOoO> that he gives me and also repeating this line all the time handjob Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[19:39] <handjob> Have You checked the alsamixer and the xfce mixer settings after upgrade?
[19:40] <KaNgArOoO> i have only mixer in xfce panel
[19:40] <KaNgArOoO> yes all are up to max
[19:40] <handjob> Same here.
[19:40] <handjob> Fuck.
[19:41] <KaNgArOoO> music was playing yesterday then i made upgrade and now in morning i wanted radio but it wasnt playing
[19:41] <KaNgArOoO> also m3u file wasnt anymore recognized by vlc and in file properties i canot anymore change with what i want that file to open
[19:44] <handjob> That's strange. Try to run the wanted program from terminal as a root.
[19:47] <handjob> What the fuck. The sound works if i start excaile with sudo!
[19:48] <moetunes> check if you're in the audio group
[19:48] <KaNgArOoO> i dont think it will get back in file properties option to change with witch programm that file i want to open
[19:48] <handjob> I added myself 10 minutes ago.
[19:48] <handjob> However i did it editing /etc/groups with vim.
[19:49] <handjob> Can this be not efficient?
[19:50] <moetunes> does audio show in   groups   at terminal?
[19:50] <KaNgArOoO> handjob: i also tryd with sudo exaile but for me thats not working still
[19:50] <handjob> I made an error. What is the separator between users in /etc/group?
[19:51] <TheSheep>  \n
[19:51] <TheSheep> oh, in group, sorry
[19:52] <TheSheep> 'man group' says 'a  list  of  the usernames that are members of this group, sepa‐
[19:52] <TheSheep>               rated by commas.'
[19:52] <handjob> Thank You.
[19:53] <handjob> Log out/in. Brb.
[19:53] <KaNgArOoO> i got sound
[19:57] <KaNgArOoO> problem with sound solved by finding all sound prefferences and in one prefferences withc had nothing added i added only thing what was possible to add- another master. and it was by default to mute. so a bug is- on upgrade setting is hidden and is mutted
[19:58] <KaNgArOoO> also heres another bug. http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot674.php folders added to menu in left.
[19:59] <KaNgArOoO> and another bug- copy paste not working using ctrl+c ctrl+v
[20:01] <KaNgArOoO> handjob: problem with sound solved by finding all sound prefferences and in one prefferences withc had nothing added i added only thing what was possible to add- another master. and it was by default to mute. so a bug is- on upgrade setting is hidden and is mutted
[20:03] <handjob> What a bitch. Is it RC or stable? It changed some owhershit of excaile files in my home. Still it does not work. KaNgArOoO can You please be more specyfic?
[20:03] <handjob> *ownership
[20:03] <KaNgArOoO> but heres another 2 bugs http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot674.php and another bug- copy paste not working using ctrl+c ctrl+v. at least in pidgin i cant ctrl+v text copied from programms. if copied from textfile it works. but works only when left click and paste as plain text.
[20:06] <handjob> KaNgArOoO, where are the "preferences" that You mentioned?
[20:07] <KaNgArOoO> handjob: here ar pics http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-196.php in first all is to max. but now i also checked others added them all. and in middle option called Playback there was nothing added. i added master and it was muted. i dont think its important i thought all is in first option but anyways i checked it and its muted and i unmuted and it works
[20:08] <KangarooO> im doing a fresh install on another pc and lets see if there all is fine
[20:09] <handjob> Thx, however i will try to fix alsa but if i fail (and it seems i will) i will give it a try.
[20:29] <handjob> Fuck. Story so far - I am abel to run 2 speakers of 5.1 set when disabeling puls in autostart and running for example exaile as a root...this is what i get when running it as a reggular user maybe somebody can suggest me something http://pastebin.com/XzZGxQa5 . Thx in advance.
[20:33] <TrueNhero> hello, how is going on the lucid lynx on xubuntu?
[20:36] <handjob> FUUCCCCKK.
[20:36] <handjob> It's a disaster.
[20:36] <TrueNhero> why?
[20:36] <TrueNhero> too heavy?}
[20:36] <handjob> Please tell me it's RC not stable.
[20:36] <handjob> Sound.
[20:37] <handjob> Horrrorrrr
[20:37] <handjob> Audio, does not work
[20:37] <handjob> Puls is dead.
[20:37] <handjob> I am able to listen to some music on alsa as a root
[20:37] <handjob> ...
[20:38] <handjob> on 2 out of 5 speakers.
[20:38] <handjob> Greate upgrade.
[20:40] <Name141> After I get the LTS ISO downloaded, can I use the ISO to upgrade without burning it to a CD?
[20:42] <DexterF> hi
[20:42] <handjob> Well i have not tried to upgrade this way but if You can do it from cd i bet that doing so from usb for example is possible.
[20:42] <handjob> Hi.
[20:42] <handjob> But don't do it.
[20:42] <Name141> handjob: The old machine wont do that
[20:42] <handjob> It sucks.
[20:42] <handjob> Name141, no usb boot eh?
[20:43] <DexterF> just installed lucid on an old thinkpad. works a charm so far. but -- first linux-laptop, which is the saved state that needs no power?
[20:43] <TrueNhero> xubuntu lost his way.....
[20:43] <handjob> Amen.
[20:43] <Name141> handjob: It's a PII 450 MHz
[20:44] <TrueNhero> xfce4 is heavy right now, im using openbox
[20:44] <handjob> Fuck it. I am doing server install and maybe openbox etc.
[20:45] <DexterF> umm. problem. no mouse pointer after resume. what now?
[20:45] <handjob> CRY.
[20:45] <handjob> Xubuntu is DEAD.
[20:45] <handjob> BEAD BAybe.
[20:46] <DexterF> try #crybaby
[20:47] <handjob> I AM MODERATOR THERE.
[20:58] <fun2learngnu> Did anyone notice audio problems after upgrading Xubuntu to Lucid?  My sound no longer works.
[21:05] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: did you disable pulse perhaps? maye pulse/alsa-libs got overwritten
[21:05] <DexterF> !bug
[21:14] <fun2learngnu> DexterF: I am trying to work my way through the Comprehensive Sound Solution Guide in teh Ubuntu Forum, but I am stuck.   For the solution that you proposed, should I go to Synaptic and reinstall the alsa libs that I find?
[21:15] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: depends on where you came from - was ist alsa or pulse before the upgrade?
[21:16] <handjob> HAHA, another one?
[21:17] <fun2learngnu> DexterF: To be honest, I don't know.  The sound never gave me trouble, so I never messed with it.  It was whatever came with Karmic.
[21:18] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: that's pulse then. and should still continue. what sound chip is it?
[21:19] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: and does "doesnt work" mean it doe not make any sound or does it produce errors when trying to play sth?
[21:22] <fun2learngnu>  DexterF:   http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/h3fdYtkd        By doesn't work, I mean no sound whatsoever.  From Exaile and/or the web  ie youtube.
[21:23] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: checked all the funny mixer switches and sliders?
[21:23] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: that a laptop?
[21:24] <handjob> Ok i just remove pulse and reinstalled alsa. Let's see if this will help. See ya in a minute gentleman.
[21:25] <DexterF> f*ck me, this old thinkpad performs better in flash *and* 3D than my main rig, being an athlon dualcore with a geforce 9...
[21:27] <fun2learngnu> DexterF:  It is not a laptop.  It is a desktop:  Compaq Presario Deskpro EN   (old Pentium III, but runs Xubuntu perfectly---until this sound issue)    On the panel is an icon of a speaker, When clicked on it opens the Alsa mixer.  It appears that the correct sound card is selected (Intel 82801BA-ICH2) and the master volume is tuned all the way up)   I don't see a mute button.
[21:28] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: try alsamixer from a console, has more switches.
[21:30] <fun2learngnu>  DexterF: by "console" , do you mean the "terminal"?  Is that a non-GUI sound mixer?
[21:31] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: yes, console, terminal, whatever. typitype command enter thingy
[21:32] <DexterF> ich ess jetzt mal was
[21:32] <DexterF> whoops
[21:32] <DexterF> wrong window
[21:32] <handjob> DexterF, when You will have some spare time You can give me a hand with audio.
[21:33] <fun2learngnu> DexterF: Oh wow, that is cool.  What should I look for?
[21:34] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: well, look for oddly named switches you never seen before, crank up sliders with names that mean nothing to you
[21:34] <DexterF> try random stuff :)
[21:37] <jst> Can I just sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio and be done with the whole thing?
[21:38] <fun2learngnu> DexterF: Master volume is up all the way.  And I turned anything that was down all the way up.
[21:38] <handjob> jst, Just did that. Did the trick however only 2 out of my 5 speakers are now working.
[21:39] <DexterF> handjob: you need to tell the card to upmix. it should do that in hardware if its no POS
[21:39] <DexterF> otherwise youll need to conf... dont ask me, me=alsa, no clue about ppulse
[21:39] <jst> handjob, did you fux0r with alsamixer?
[21:40] <fun2learngnu> In Synaptic, I noticed I have pulseaudio installed.  Should this not be there?
[21:40] <DexterF> fun2learngnu: well.... try to figure what the dev name is and cat /dev/urandom there for laughs to see if it does anything *at all*. if that be the case its accepting data
[21:40] <handjob> In the morning i was enjoying alsa and 5.1. Now stereo...everything in alsamixer on full power. Apropriate module loaded.
[21:40] <DexterF> then its a config thing
[21:44] <handjob> DexterF, It seems so however everyting i did to make 5.1. work was tunning up alsamixer settings and now i am bit lost. Any sugestions. I am audio noob.
[21:44] <handjob> ?
[21:45] <handjob> *Everything i did previously to make it work.
[21:48] <packet-sent> I need to set my laptop to do nothing when lid is closed I have used the gconf-tool in the past is there a similar tool for xfce
[21:48] <leon_> i need help setting up a 2 user multi seat in ubuntu 10.04 lts please. does gdm 2.30 even support it
[21:49] <helo> the image referenced by the Gaim screenshot on www.xubuntu.org/help is broken... why is it pulling from such an odd place: http://www.sheep.art.pl/download/Gaim_screenshot1
[23:09] <Vista1337> ohai all!
[23:10] <Vista1337> Im new at Linux and stuff
[23:10] <Vista1337> Im instaling it on my VM now
[23:10] <Vista1337> anyone there?
[23:14] <DexterF> Vista1337: hey. which linux distro? xubuntu?
[23:14] <Vista1337> yes
[23:14] <Vista1337> i am new at this things
[23:14] <Vista1337> whats the difference?
[23:15] <DexterF> well, right channel but not the most crowded one. on *basics* the wiki and forums at ubuntu.com are utterly useful, plus you might bug the bot here (ubottu)
[23:15] <Vista1337> ubottu?
[23:15] <Vista1337> mIRC bot?
[23:15] <DexterF> well, the main diff between ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu are that they feature different desktop systems
[23:15] <DexterF> like so:
[23:15] <DexterF> !aptitude
[23:16] <DexterF> but better msg it so the channel doesnt get flooded
[23:16] <Vista1337> aha
[23:16] <Vista1337> !help
[23:16] <DexterF> linux distros are a lot different from windows or macosx in modularity.
[23:16] <Vista1337> yeah
[23:16] <DexterF> the three big players are kde, gnome and xfce
[23:17] <Vista1337> I have windows XP pro
[23:17] <DexterF> you get to chose - kde and gnome are rather, well, complete while xfce tries to be light
[23:17] <Vista1337> and installing xubuntu on Virtual Machine
[23:17] <Vista1337> ok
[23:17] <Vista1337> brb
[23:18] <DexterF> not to mean xfce wasnt complete
[23:18] <Vista1337> what is xfce
[23:18] <Vista1337> like Offece in win?
[23:18] <Vista1337> office*
[23:19] <Vista1337> !xfce
[23:19] <DexterF> no.. xfce is a desktop environment, it means:
[23:20] <DexterF> it draws the windows, provides buttons, does settings, has tools like... whatnot. from file manager over cd writer to whatever
[23:21] <DexterF> desktop environments on linux (solaris, bsd, etc etc) aim to give you a full working environemnt instead of having you search all the programs together from all corners of the web
[23:22] <DexterF> plus they are stored in an authenticated central repository. try the "software enter" in the xfce menu when your VM is ready and youll see what i mean
[23:22] <DexterF> ist not called a linux _distibution_ as opposed to "operating system" because it's a software collection
[23:23] <DexterF> the kernel, a desktop environment (not necessarily, you can have a server without a graphical system at all), tools, stuff.
[23:24] <DexterF> if you find Xfce is too alien, you can add gnome or kde to your existing xfce, they can live happily together and you get to decide which one to start in the login screen
[23:24] <DexterF> try them, chose the one you like
[23:24] <TrueNhero> how can i delete the old kernels?
[23:25] <DexterF> TrueNhero: remove linux-image-<kernelversion>
[23:25] <DexterF> from software center... or synaptic.. or aptitude...
[23:26] <TrueNhero> on synaptic how?
[23:26] <DexterF> Vista1337: gotta go, have fun, visit the forums/wiki, ask in #ubuntu, too, for basics, more people there
[23:27] <DexterF> TrueNhero: dunno, just list them with   sudo aptitude search linux | grep ^i   in a terminal then aptitude remove the ones you dont need
[23:27] <DexterF> synaptic should have list them quite as well tho
[23:28] <DexterF> just search for linux-image
[23:28] <DexterF> now off!