[00:00] <panix_> why dont people learn to use debian ?
[00:00] <panix_> at least it was a stable version
[00:00] <panix_> has*
[00:02] <unholyskorn> so stupid
[00:02] <unholyskorn> thing says it installed just fine...
[00:03] <panix_> try running glxgears
[00:03] <licensed> anybody knows if kubuntu 10.04 have a crypt option on installer?
[00:03] <len_> vbgunz, I'm using Nvidia drivers, and I also had problems with opengl desktop effects after upgrading to 10.04.  Nothing I tried got them to work 100%.  After a I did a fresh installed everything worked, so I think there are some issues with the upgrade process.
[00:04] <panix_> unholyskorn, type glsgears on the cli
[00:04] <panix_> i mean glxgears
[00:04] <unholyskorn> what is cli?
[00:04] <Cookiekiller> better type glxinfo | grep direct
[00:04] <Cookiekiller> commandline
[00:04] <panix_> command line
[00:04] <unholyskorn> terminal?
[00:04] <Cookiekiller> if he print direct redering yes it should work
[00:05] <Cookiekiller> -.-
[00:05] <Cookiekiller> 42.
[00:05] <Cookiekiller> be creative
[00:05] <unholyskorn> slow down
[00:05] <unholyskorn> glxgears comes out with segmentation fault
[00:06] <unholyskorn> glxinfo comes out with name of display: :0.0
[00:06] <unholyskorn> Segmentation fault
[00:06] <panix_> now you done it
[00:06] <Cookiekiller> without root ..
[00:06] <unholyskorn> ?
[00:06] <Cookiekiller> just at your user account
[00:06] <panix_> so ubuntu has root now ?
[00:06] <Cookiekiller> yes he has
[00:06] <Cookiekiller> :-P
[00:06] <unholyskorn> ?
[00:07] <Cookiekiller> ubuntu never hasn't one but this isn't the theme
[00:07] <Cookiekiller> try glxinfo | grep direct
[00:07] <gregcoit> anyone happen to know if the plymouth background used on the kubuntu lucid cd is a wallpaper or just a gradient?
[00:07] <Cookiekiller> check the output there must be printed out "direct rendering yes" or something like this
[00:07] <unholyskorn> gives me nothing
[00:07] <unholyskorn> just goes back into another prompt
[00:08] <unholyskorn> glxinfo | grep direct
[00:08] <Cookiekiller> yes?
[00:08] <unholyskorn> doesn't do a damn thing
[00:09] <unholyskorn> unholyskorn@Blackdragon:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[00:09] <unholyskorn> unholyskorn@Blackdragon:~$
[00:09] <Cookiekiller> ehm, type glxinfo and paste it in a nopaste service of your choice
[00:11] <Kano> hi, what do install that amarok can play mp3?
[00:11] <panix_> http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/
[00:11] <Cookiekiller> xine backend libs right?
[00:12] <Cookiekiller> are you using the xine or gstreamer backend?
[00:12] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/195588
[00:12] <Kano> no idea, where to chose? did not change anything
[00:12] <panix_> thats the best lookingubuntu yet !
[00:12] <Cookiekiller> Kano, this should be the package libxine-extracodecs
[00:12] <Kano> not ffmpeg?
[00:12] <Cookiekiller> according to the first google link
[00:12] <Cookiekiller> ffmped is for videos :-P
[00:12] <Cookiekiller> mpeg :-)
[00:13] <Cookiekiller> unholyskorn, but your X is up right?
[00:13] <unholyskorn> I guess so lol
[00:13] <Kano> no, that extracodecs is replayed by ffmpeg
[00:13] <Cookiekiller> I don't think so
[00:13] <Kano> but still no steams work
[00:14] <Cookiekiller> try to install the libs I talked about ;.)
[00:14] <Cookiekiller> I had named the package
[00:14] <licensed> hey.. anybody knows if kubuntu 10.04 have a crypt option on installer?
[00:14] <panix_> # Ubuntu Satanic Edition
[00:14] <panix_> deb http://ubuntusatanic.org/hell karmic main
[00:14] <panix_> deb-src http://ubuntusatanic.org/hell karmic main
[00:15] <panix_> add that to your repos conf
[00:15] <gregcoit> 1) licensed it does
[00:15] <unholyskorn> I don't get this
[00:15] <gregcoit> licensed: it does
[00:15] <licensed> gregcoit alternate cd too?
[00:15] <unholyskorn> Why is it so hard, says the drivers are for my card, says its for linux, runs fine and installs complete and it still doesnt work
[00:15] <panix_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-satanic-wide
[00:15] <panix_> then type this
[00:15] <gregcoit> licensed: don't know about the alternate...
[00:16] <licensed> gregcoit ok.. tank you dude ;)
[00:16] <gregcoit> licensed: np
[00:17] <unholyskorn> Any ideas what is wrong cookiekiller?
[00:18] <Kano> ok, works now, just the mixer was very low
[00:18] <Cookiekiller> unholyskorn, I am tinking
[00:18] <Cookiekiller> :-P
[00:18] <unholyskorn> Thanks dude
[00:18] <Cookiekiller> unholyskorn, are you working in a tty or in a terminal emulator like gnome-terminal?
[00:18] <unholyskorn> All I did was goto ati site, select my card, download the ati .run file, sudo sh it and it installed ok and restarted
[00:18] <panix_> unholyskorn, you must install satanic edition is the best
[00:19] <Cookiekiller> panix_, this wouldn't fix his issues ..
[00:19] <unholyskorn> I am using Konsole
[00:19] <aebroschinski> Has anyone else seen an inconsistency reported by ld when trying to run add-apt-repository, or when trying to edit software sources? And if so have you been able to fix it?
[00:19] <aebroschinski> The exact error is pasted here http://paste.ubuntu.com/425546/
[00:19] <Cookiekiller> unholyskorn, tty right? I am right, you aren't using X atm?
[00:20] <Cookiekiller> or is you X in safemode (vesa?)
[00:20] <unholyskorn> No idea what you are talking about lol
[00:20] <unholyskorn> kde kubuntu 10
[00:20] <unholyskorn> lol
[00:21] <unholyskorn> ?
[00:21] <Cookiekiller> ok, do you have just a black screen with a command line interface?
[00:21] <unholyskorn> No, lol hell no
[00:21] <Cookiekiller> ok :-)
[00:21] <Cookiekiller> you haven't 3D support atm right? this is the only issue?
[00:21] <unholyskorn> I guess so, doesn't seem like the ati drivers are working
[00:21] <unholyskorn> cant get ccc to run either
[00:22] <unholyskorn> asks for sudo password, i put it in and hit enter and it just goes away
[00:22] <aebroschinski> ack I just installed 10.4 on a mostly clean harddrive (only my home directory was there)
[00:23] <Cookiekiller> why aren't you using the driver from the ubuntu repo?
[00:23] <Cookiekiller> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/Ati/fglrx
[00:24] <Cookiekiller> type in fglrxinfo
[00:24] <Cookiekiller> to check it :-)
[00:24] <Cookiekiller> I am nvidia user :-P
[00:24] <unholyskorn> because i want to use the ati drivers
[00:25] <Cookiekiller> fglrx is the ati driver :-p
[00:25] <vadi01> Teknical: you mean clean install did not have this nvidea bug?
[00:25] <Cookiekiller> just packaged for ubuntu
[00:25] <unholyskorn> well it dont work
[00:25] <Cookiekiller> ok than try to follow the howto from ubuntuusers
[00:25] <Teknical> ugly splash shows after nvidia driver install through kde-jokey
[00:25] <Teknical> jockey*
[00:25] <Cookiekiller> oh, damn german howto ..
[00:26] <unholyskorn> So the drivers ati comes out with dont work?
[00:26] <Cookiekiller> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[00:26] <Kano> unholyskorn: they work, just the packages are NEWER in the lucid repo
[00:27] <unholyskorn> ther packages on ati site are not the newest? thats retarded...
[00:27] <Teknical> vadi, ill investing more after a bit, have to run for a while.. thx
[00:27] <Teknical> investigate* cant type today
[00:28] <Kano> ati has 8.723, lucid has a hotfix driver called 8.723.1
[00:28] <Kano> when you compare both, the ati 10-4 does not write "Series" in the fglrxinfo output
[00:28] <amgarchIn9> hi, how do I fix bold fonts in konsole in 10.04? Looks ugly, doesnt fit into fixed width.
[00:29] <unholyskorn> I have ati driver 10-4
[00:29] <Kano> unholyskorn: i maintain a script to install fglrx automaticalla, therefore i of course tested it
[00:29] <unholyskorn> maybe i installed the wrong one?
[00:30] <Kano> well a d-u will automaticially update the driver when installed as deb. but of course not when you used the installer without buildpkg.
[00:33] <aebroschinski> I fixed it python-apt needed to be reinstalled
[00:34] <unholyskorn> oh look this pos errored out also
[00:34] <vbgunz> I dont believe my system even supports OpenGL  in any capacity
[00:34] <unholyskorn> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:34] <unholyskorn>  /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.723.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[00:34] <unholyskorn> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (
[00:37] <unholyskorn> 3 hours just to get a damn video driver to work
[00:38] <vbgunz> I removed all nvidia drivers and just noticed 2 real cool things short of having my effects disabled. 1 switching to the tty and back to the desktop is seamless. no flickering. 2 for the first time ever, my tty are at my native resolution. thats amazing. so, how do I enabled effects without nvidia?
[00:40] <unholyskorn> Kano, this thing keeps erroring out code (1)
[00:41] <Kano> unholyskorn: the eroor must be a bit above
[00:41] <unholyskorn> huh?
[00:41] <unholyskorn> I run exactly what it says to run
[00:44] <cjae> ok someone know why my usb bluetooth logitech mx 5500 doesnt work in lucid
[00:45] <Cookiekiller> have you switch from analog output to the usb output in the soundmixer? :-)
[00:46] <Cookiekiller> you can choice in the audio settings menu between options like in and output, there should your logitech headset be selected
[00:49] <tweakedeh> Hello, I'm new to linux and I can't get Samba to work.
[00:49] <James147> tweakedeh: what have you tryed?
[00:51] <Scunizi> Just curious.. any issues using the package managers update from 9.10 to 10.04?
[00:51] <loki___> I'm running into an issue with 10.04 LTS when running from VMware or VirtualBox my Seriel Keyboard ceases to function, and the virtual keyboard also does not work, is there some sort of work around?
[00:52] <tweakedeh> Janmes147: I want to share a folder so I installed Samba and the  "System-Config-Samba" and when I go to open samba it does nothing, When I right click the folder and go into properties > share > configure file sharing that also does nothing
[00:52] <cjae> Cookiekiller: was that directed to me?
[00:53] <Cookiekiller> ehm, yes :-)
[00:53] <Cookiekiller> cjae, just for you
[00:54] <cjae> Cookiekiller: it is a kb and mouse combo not a headset
[00:54] <James147> tweakedeh: the gui samaba configs are outdated and dont work very well, i think someone is writing some more updated ones.... for now the best way is to use command line
[00:55] <tweakedeh> James147: Awesome, Thank you =]
[00:55] <Cookiekiller> cjae, oh :D
[00:55] <James147> tweakedeh: you can either add the shares to /etc/samba/smb.conf or use "net usershare" to add them (the first requires root for every share, the latter allows users to add shares)
[00:55] <Cookiekiller> can you connect it using gnome-bluetooth?
[00:55] <James147> !samba |  tweakedeh
[00:55] <Cookiekiller> scanning for new devices - adding them and trying?
[00:56] <tweakedeh> James147: even better, Thanks a lot!
[01:02] <ratdog> hello, how to i show my active programs in the taskbar?
[01:04] <ratdog> hello, how to i show my active programs in the taskbar?
[01:04]  * ratdog slaps punto around a bit with a large trout
[01:05] <ratdog> lol
[01:05] <ratdog> ratdog is using mIRC 7.01 running in (Wine(Virtual(WindowsNT(Enviroment(Linux(Lucid(Lynx)))))))
[01:05] <Cookiekiller> xD
[01:05] <ratdog> anyhow
[01:06] <Cookiekiller> ratdog, gnome, kde, xfce? :-) and use xchat or something but not mIRC :D
[01:12] <dominicdinada> Why cant i get my .mov files to play ??? keeps saying i need some codecs and i downloaded them still no dice
[01:12] <unholyskorn> use vlc?
[01:13] <Consul_Falx> i have a problem
[01:13] <dominicdinada> vlc??
[01:14] <ratdog> Cookiekiller wine is for Linux, an i can run mIRC on wine :)
[01:14] <Consul_Falx> I get worser and worser graphics, sometimes it even freezes with a very curious visual consequence, but - I cannot reenable composition in KWin ...
[01:14] <dominicdinada> I was just playing them with the default player before i wiped it for the upgrade
[01:16] <ratdog> ph33r
[01:16] <wsjunior> hello, how do i change the default sound card?
[01:16] <wsjunior> using system settings i was able to prefer the one i want for kde apps
[01:17] <wsjunior> but what about gtk apps?
[01:17] <wsjunior> asoundconf is no longer supported
[01:17] <wsjunior> how am i supossed to do that now?
[01:19] <das> HOW DO YOU  CHANGE THEME IN LUCID
[01:19] <das> sry caps
[01:20] <das> my taskbar looks all weird
[01:21] <Cookiekiller> das, like you did it in karmic :-P
[01:21] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[01:22] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone else having the ugly boot screen after installing video drivers?
[01:22] <wsjunior> yes
[01:22] <wsjunior> i am
[01:22] <wizkoder> the facebook plasmoid can display all page exept the normal page?
[01:22] <wsjunior> installed nvidia driver
[01:22] <wsjunior> and the splash is totally messed up
[01:22] <Cookiekiller> no just a framebuffer resolution ..
[01:22] <FeasibilityStudy> I tried the fix posted on the forums, didnt work for me
[01:22] <wsjunior> so how to solve that?
[01:23] <dominicdinada> what is the codec pack for totem to play .mov, flv etc files with totem ?
[01:23] <Cookiekiller> because ati and nvidia drivers can't run there
[01:23] <wsjunior> FeasibilityStudy: please give me the link so i can test it too
[01:23] <Cookiekiller> isn't fixable
[01:23] <wsjunior> damn
[01:23] <Cookiekiller> and it isn't a bug
[01:24] <FeasibilityStudy> Cookiekiller: Any way to just turn that ugly splash off then?
[01:24] <Cookiekiller> the high resolution at the boot screen is just a feature of the free nvidia driver
[01:24] <wsjunior> appears to be so simple
[01:24] <FeasibilityStudy> splash=0 or something?
[01:24] <dominicdinada> !apache
[01:24] <wsjunior> FeasibilityStudy: please give me the link to the forum thread u tried
[01:24] <vbgunz> If anybody like me was stuck with no effects and trying to use the latest nvidia binary, this solution worked for me perfectly.
[01:25] <vbgunz> http://dpaste.com/189626/
[01:25] <FeasibilityStudy> And does anyone know how to configure services?  Ubuntu is really confusing with its mish mash of rc and upstart services
[01:25] <wsjunior> which one
[01:25] <gregcoit> I can't seem to find the enable-restricted-drivers section in kubuntu lucid - anyone know where it is?
[01:25] <wsjunior> oh
[01:25] <Cookiekiller> no just remove quiet splash in the grub.cfg at the boot folder
[01:25] <wsjunior> lets see
[01:25] <FeasibilityStudy> wsjunior: dont have it
[01:25] <dominicdinada> !dvd gregcoit
[01:25] <Cookiekiller> then you'll see the good old boot up with kernel messages and service start up etc
[01:25] <FeasibilityStudy> google for the bug and someone posted it in the bug report
[01:25] <dominicdinada> !dvd | gregcoit
[01:26] <wsjunior> Cookiekiller: are u sure it isnt fixable?
[01:26] <gregcoit> dominicdinada: thank you ,but I
[01:26] <gregcoit> er, I'm referring to restricted drivers, not formats (ie, nvidia)
[01:26] <Cookiekiller> In my mind
[01:27] <dominicdinada> oh :/ they are in the repo i believe
[01:27] <Cookiekiller> to fix it you have to run two drivers, nouveau for booting up and nvidia for running X this isn't makable :-P
[01:27] <gregcoit> dominicdinada: yes, they are, but prior versions of kubuntu (and the current version of ubuntu) has the ability to "enable restricted drivers"
[01:28] <dominicdinada> gregcoit:  hmmm maybe thats the problem i am having also
[01:28] <gregcoit> it was in system settings, but I don't see it.  am i blind?
[01:28] <FeasibilityStudy> I just followed the tutorial on the forums for restricted formats
[01:29] <gregcoit> FeasibilityStudy: link please?
[01:29] <FeasibilityStudy> gregcoit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
[01:31] <gregcoit> FeasibilityStudy: that's restricted formats, not restricted drivers....
[01:31] <FeasibilityStudy> Anyone know how to configure services?  Upstart is confusing as hell
[01:31] <FeasibilityStudy> gregcoit: to enable restricted drivers, just look in the menu..The option is there..
[01:31] <Cookiekiller> FeasibilityStudy, runlevel start up?
[01:32] <FeasibilityStudy> I did it last night on a fresh Kubuntu install
[01:32] <FeasibilityStudy> Cookiekiller: Yeah.  See, the problem is that sysv-rc doesnt work anymore because some services are now Upstart
[01:32] <wsjunior> FeasibilityStudy: workaround foun!
[01:32] <FeasibilityStudy> and Upstart has zero documentation
[01:32] <gregcoit> FeasibilityStudy: ok, thanks - it used to be in system-settings...
[01:32] <wsjunior> FeasibilityStudy: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[01:37] <la_poisse> Hi, I cannot upgrade my ubuntu version : message : the package kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop is not installed (french version). And after that : kubuntu-desktop is marked to be deleted but is a black-listed suppression. (Sry for the pseudo-traduction). What can I do ?
[01:38] <dominicdinada> !supertux
[01:38] <maco> !info supertux
[01:38] <ratdog> Information for #supertux
[01:38] <ratdog> Users = 28 Modes = Welcome
[01:38] <ratdog> Topic = to the SuperTux IRC chatroom | http://supertux.lethargik.org/wiki/SuperTux_FAQ | Next meeting Saturday 15:00 UTC
[01:39] <das>    Cookiekillerin karmicused to right click and do it but its not there
[01:39] <maco> ratdog: are you a bot?
[01:39] <ratdog> lol why
[01:40] <ratdog> are you profiling my nick
[01:40] <ratdog> >:|
[01:40] <maco> ratdog: because that automated spew of info was a bit odd
[01:40] <maco> ratdog: if that's a script, please turn it off
[01:41] <ratdog> i dont see anything
[01:41] <maco> ratdog: the bit where you, in under 1 second, spit out 3 lines of info about the #supertux channel?
[01:41] <ratdog> thats not me
[01:41] <ratdog> wth
[01:42] <maco> it came from your nick
[01:42] <ratdog> wow
[01:42] <maco> in this channel, 2 minutes ago, immediately after i did "!info supertux"
[01:42] <bazhang> !info supertux
[01:42] <ratdog> Information for #supertux
[01:42] <ratdog> Users = 28 Modes = Welcome
[01:42] <ratdog> Topic = to the SuperTux IRC chatroom | http://supertux.lethargik.org/wiki/SuperTux_FAQ | Next meeting Saturday 15:00 UTC
[01:42] <maco> uh huh
[01:42] <ratdog> info supertux
[01:42] <maco> ratdog: turn it off
[01:42] <bazhang> uhm please disable that ratdog
[01:42] <ratdog> all leave
[01:42] <ratdog> srry
[01:43] <FloodBotK3> ratdog: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:43] <maco> bazhang: they're in #ubuntu too so thatll be fun as soon as someone does an info call there
[01:43] <bazhang> maco, yep :)
[01:44] <jonathan__> could somebody help me, please?
[01:44] <maco> jonathan__: ask your question, and maybe
[01:45] <jonathan__> i'm about to do de update to the new Lucid version
[01:45] <jonathan__> i wanna know if i'll be able to use de computer during this process or if i have to leave it work alone
[01:46] <maco> sure you can
[01:46] <maco> firefox will at some point want to be unusable (right in the midst of the firefox upgrade)
[01:46] <jonathan__> it will continue stable during the process, i mean, it wont restart like Windows do?
[01:46] <maco> itll ask you to reboot but will not force it or automate it
[01:47] <jonathan__> great!
[01:47] <jonathan__> thank you!
[01:47] <maco> as things are upgraded those individual apps may need to be restarted, but really, firefox is the only one i can think of thats ornery about that
[01:48] <jonathan__> actually i got another doubt...
[01:48] <jonathan__> i've installed the Ubuntu 9.10 version
[01:49] <jonathan__> and then i downloaded that kubuntu patch
[01:49] <jonathan__> so i'm running on KDE now, but i can still choose for Gnome if i want to
[01:50] <jonathan__> now a message here shows that there is a new kubuntu version available
[01:50] <maco> thats just because its the kubuntu updater doing the informing
[01:50] <jonathan__> will update only the KDE or Gnome aswell?
[01:50] <maco> if you were logged into gnome right now itd say ubuntu
[01:50] <maco> itll upgrade the entire system, yes
[01:51] <jonathan__> ok
[01:51] <jonathan__> thank you again
[01:51] <maco> no problem :)
[01:51] <jonathan__> was very helpful
[01:55] <bobbyyu> I used compiz on my Ubuntu and now when I try to click on "Custom" on
[01:55] <bobbyyu> appearance, it doesn't seem to stick, meaning when I go
[01:55] <bobbyyu> back to the menu, it's back to "Normal mode"
[02:05] <das> HOW DO I CANGE THE THEME IN LUCID?
[02:05] <das> sry caps
[02:06] <das> you know like the taskbar
[02:08] <cuznt> my update is like running through mud.  after 4 hours I am only %55 done at most 23.0 kB/a
[02:09] <cuznt> my update is like running through mud.  after 4 hours I am only %55 done at most 23.0 kB/s excuse me... some times it is 9000 +/- Bs
[02:09] <cuznt> i am using the terminal.
[02:10] <cuznt> nothing else up or down either... i started on 100 something am now @ 233 of 614
[02:15] <dominicdinada> !phpmyadmin
[02:18] <dominicdinada> !lamp
[02:27] <Barridus> wow, kde netbook is pretty damn cool
[02:45] <hyb> hi
[03:02] <FeasibilityStudy> How can i configure which services start at boot?
[03:02] <Barridus> i have sound in other apps, but none in flash within mozilla (ie: youtube, etc)  anyone know the fix for this?
[03:04] <OxDeadC0de> hey anyone else have problems upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04? My laptop is locking up when mounting the drives, the last thing it says is ureadhead-other main process failed with status 4 then it freezes
[03:04] <OxDeadC0de> although it's not really frozen... control+alt+delete starts the reboot process.. it just doesn't go any further.
[03:11] <NeedleInYourArms> anyone here? i need some help with installing java (first time linux user speaking here)
[03:14] <cjae> where's xorg
[03:23] <cjae> anyone using the properitary nvidia driver, do the windows, namely gtk windows still pop up on the wrong screens in twinview
[03:26] <cjae> would like to not use the properitary driver though but it causes the tv to skip and I cant seem to find xorg.comf
[03:26] <cjae> conf
[03:32] <das> could someone tell me how to change themes on licid?
[03:32] <wllkmbll> How can I access Synaptic through Kubuntu?
[03:33] <das> wllkmbll: appl/system/ software mngmt
[03:34] <das> sp lucid
[03:35] <wllkmbll> das: Thank you, I noticed it is installing multiple dependancies, but it's all gibberish to me. Do you know if it will install GNOME?
[03:35] <islington> wllkmbll: no
[03:36] <das> wllkmbll: kubuntu is a derivitive of ubuntu you can choose at login gnome or kde
[03:36] <wllkmbll> dasdas: system setting > apperance > style > workspace
[03:36] <das> wllkmbll: kde isjust a diff desktop env
[03:36] <scriptx> I just upgraded one of my boxes to 10.04, and the slash screen looks like it's in 16bit color.. anyone else experience this? it really looks like crap!!
[03:36] <wllkmbll> das: system setting > apperance > style > workspace, sorry typed your name twice lol
[03:37] <wllkmbll> Can someone explain to me how this all works and the difference, or if that's off topic can you tell me where to go to find out?
[03:37] <das> scriptx: yeah they r still working on graphics unless you rusing proprietary drivers it will look that way
[03:38] <scriptx> das:  thanks
[03:38] <scriptx> thought it might have been a frame buffer issue or something
[03:39] <das> wllkmbll: essentially the are the same thing just preference really
[03:40] <das> wllkmbll: i use kde becouse its more user freindly to me
[03:40] <wllkmbll> das: I picked kde because I like the looks better, but there's a lot more stuff out there on ubuntu. I wish there was more kubuntu merchandise, lol
[03:40] <das> wllkmbll:  ithink kde has more bells and whistles
[03:41] <das> wllkmbll: no merch kde hassame stuff free software
[03:41] <wllkmbll> das: do you know how I can get more window effects? Can I use something like compiz in kde?
[03:42] <das> wllkmbll:  certainly its allready installed by default but you have to install proprietary drivers to use 3d effects
[03:43] <wllkmbll> das:I bet that will take some technical know-how, right?
[03:44] <das> wllkmbll: k-menu/system settings/esktop/all effects
[03:45] <wllkmbll> das: I'm trying to figure out if I can get more effects than that. I like the snow effect and I with there were more like it.
[03:45] <Landgraf> hi, all!
[03:45] <das> wllkmbll: k-menu/system/hardware drivers to scan for your graphics card
[03:45] <wllkmbll> landgraf: Hello!
[03:46] <islington> wllkmbll: if you want more effects I would suggest installing compiz and switching to it rather than use kwin
[03:46] <Landgraf> I have disabled add-button at VPN-connection? what do?
[03:46] <das> wllkmbll:  you can install compizz but it doesnt work well with kde
[03:47] <das> wllkmbll: yeah you have to install diff destopmnger
[03:47] <wllkmbll> islington: I think I'll stick with kwin... lol
[03:48] <das> wllkmbll:  no it works but you need to know how to switch between lol'
[03:49] <das> wllkmbll: play around with it youll get eventuallylol
[03:49] <wllkmbll> This is a little off topic, but can either of you recommed some kool features of KDE to play around with?
[03:54] <islington> wllkmbll: um..kdegames? plasmoids? krunner?
[03:54] <Landgraf> I have disabled add-button at VPN-connection? what do?
[03:55] <wllkmbll> islington: I'm a little depressed by the lack of plasmoids. There aren't very many to choose from that I've found
[03:56] <islington> wllkmbll: did you click the add new plasmoids button?
[03:57] <ForgeAus> hmmm intersting Hardy's on here! lol
[03:57] <das> wllkmbll: alien arena cube2 savage2
[03:57] <wllkmbll> No, how do I do that?
[03:58] <islington> wllkmbll: click the cashew (thing in the corner, hit add widgets, hit get new widgets button
[04:06] <reza> congrats on a beautiful release
[04:07] <reza> can anyone answer some basic questions about powerdevil?
[04:09] <olskolirc> how in the world do I get back to a normal desktop on Lucid?  I have all these system icons on my desktop with a search bar - i don't want that and i can't right click my desktop to put it back nothing happens
[04:09] <reza> did the installation go smoothly?
[04:11] <reza> olskolirc: did the installation go smoothly?
[04:11] <olskolirc> yes reza it was an upgrade from karamik
[04:12] <reza> is a clean install out of the question?
[04:12] <olskolirc> its back to normal now i had to fuss with it
[04:12] <olskolirc> thanks
[04:12] <reza> ok
[04:12] <olskolirc> absolutely out of the question lol
[04:13] <reza> haha, do you know anything about the power management in lucid?
[04:20] <wllkmbll> Is there a way to reset my desktop pannels to their default?
[04:21] <wllkmbll> Nvm, I fixed my problem
[04:26] <Lewiis> whenever i turn of my computer I see a "Checking Battery State" message, is there anyway to remove this check since my computer doesn't have a battery?
[04:26] <Lewiis> (ie it's a PC)
[04:26] <EvaZq> how can chek if my video car was propetly detected ?
[04:26] <EvaZq> card*
[04:29] <dolomite> EvaZq: do you want to check if the hardware is detected or the correct driver is installed?
[04:29] <EvaZq> hadware detection
[04:30] <dolomite> lspci
[04:30] <EvaZq> thanks
[04:31] <dolomite> Lewiis: I get the same line and it seems unnecessary; but I don't feel like it hangs on that or anything
[04:33] <Lewiis> dolomite: no, it doesn't seem to hang for me either, i just thought it might cut startup and shutdown time a little
[04:34] <dolomite> I don't know how to PM you (how?). I can only imagine it's powerdevil controlling that process
[04:36] <Lewiis> dolomite:  I have PM'd you instructions on how to PM, did you get it?
[04:36] <dolomite> yes I did
[04:37] <dolomite> Lewiis: if I start my message with your name, does the message stand out to you?
[04:37] <dolomite> let me rephrase: when you address me in your message, it's highlighted in my IRC program.
[04:39] <progre55> hi people! I installed konversation from kde on my ubuntu, and it installed a bunch of kde packages (around 200+ Mb). is it possible to remove it together with all those kde-based packages? when I try to remove konversation, it just wants to remove libindicate-qt0, konversation. Suggestions, please?
[04:39] <Lewiis> i think there's an autoremove switch
[04:40] <Lewiis> let me just check progre55
[04:40] <progre55> Lewiis: thanks man, appreciate
[04:41] <Lewiis> sudo apt-get autoremove should remove all packages with no dependencies... i am led to believe
[04:41] <dolomite> correct
[04:42] <dolomite> progre55: first do sudo apt-get remove konversation. then do sudo apt-get autoremove
[04:42] <progre55> yes but it's only removing one package other than konversation, libindicate-qt0
[04:43] <dolomite> so you've already removed konversation?
[04:43] <progre55> is there some kind of central package that I could remove, which in turn would remove the rest of the kde packages by autoremove?
[04:43] <progre55> yeah, I've removed it..
[04:43] <dolomite> and when you run autoremove, it only removes libindicate?
[04:44] <progre55> and it said "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libindicate-qt0"
[04:44] <dolomite> if apt decides the other packages are being used then they are.
[04:44] <dolomite> you don't want to go around removing packages willy-nilly
[04:45] <progre55> well actually now, when booting, I can choose whether I want to log into gnome or kde =)
[04:45] <progre55> maybe that's why the system thinks kde is being used
[04:45] <dolomite> yeah, there you go
[04:45] <progre55> so is there a sort of a meta-package?
[04:46] <dolomite> I can't answer that with certainty; I don't want to break your system.
[04:46] <progre55> maybe smth like "kdebase-runtime"?
[04:46] <progre55> which by removal would drag all the rest with itself..
[04:47] <progre55> well, apparently in this case not all, but most.. 19 packages worth 82.1 Mb =)
[04:48] <dolomite> open up your package manager and do a search for kde
[04:48] <dolomite> if there is a meta-package, it'll be something like kde-desktop
[04:48] <progre55> oh, sec
[04:48] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <pepee> kubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <bazhang> :)
[04:48] <pepee> hi people :D
[04:48] <dolomite> hah, about time!
[04:49] <progre55> lol
[04:49] <progre55> no, I dont have that installed apparently
[04:49] <pepee> I wanna use another DE...
[04:49] <pepee> KDE eats memory
[04:50] <pepee> what if I install lubuntu/xubuntu, and leave kde installed? will it cause problems?
[04:50] <progre55> well, I guess I'll leave it as it is.. I might log into kde one day =)
[04:51] <dolomite> pepee: lubuntu/xubuntu are entirely different distributions
[04:51] <dolomite> (in the sense that you'll just end up installing them and lose kde)
[04:52] <bazhang> pepee, no problems, install lubuntu-desktop package and switch to it in login window
[04:52] <pepee> dolomite, don't think so, kdm will manage them
[04:52] <progre55> oh actually, I'm sure I'll install k3b, so it would anyways install most of the kde packages..
[04:52] <bazhang> pepee, you wont lose anything and can go back to kde when you wish
[04:53] <pepee> I don't wanna remove KDE, I'll just install another DE and "test" them
[04:53] <progre55> oh, this is what I got from the ubuntu channel: "If you want to remove all !KDE packages, type « sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » into a terminal"
[04:53] <dolomite> why are you telling us kubuntuers?
[04:53] <progre55> oops =)
[04:54] <dolomite> bazhang: can you help me understand powerdevil?
[04:54] <pepee> well, I'll try installing
[04:54] <progre55> well, I've got nothing against kubuntu.. actually used to use it myself
[04:54] <pepee> aptitude didn't find incompatibilities...
[04:54] <powerinside> Will an ubuntu alternate CD work for upgrading a kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 ?
[04:54] <progre55> but having 2 systems.. cant affort that with my hard disk capasity )
[04:54] <pepee> powerinside, yep
[04:55] <bazhang> dolomite, what is powerdevil, may I ask
[04:55] <pepee> powerinside, there's an app in the cd for upgrading from it
[04:55] <dolomite> bazhang, I'm led to believe that it's the kde power management tool; replaced my beloved kpowersave
[04:55] <pepee> powerinside, just mount the cd image and run /cdrom/cdromupgrade or something like that
[04:55] <Lewiis> I've just upgraded yo 10.04 and my menu's now scroll up poorly, they kind of jump up jaggedly, i have 195 nvidia drivers installed, their performance just seems worse.  Any ideas?
[04:56] <pepee> Lewiis, try reinstalling the driver
[04:56] <pepee> Lewiis, are you sure the module/driver is running?
[04:56] <pepee> Lewiis, lsmod | grep nvidia
[04:57] <Lewiis> it returns a line
[04:57] <thomas__> anyone else having problems with nvidia server settings after the distro update?
[04:57] <pepee> Lewiis, paste it here
[04:57] <Lewiis> nvidia 10799466 38
[04:57] <dolomite> thomas__, do you mean, nvidia-settings?
[04:57] <scriptx> any known issues compiling vmware modules in ubuntu 10.04 (kernel 2.6.32-21-generic)?
[04:57] <bazhang> thomas__, sure, need to boot in lower resolution then use hardware drivers? such as that?
[04:57] <thomas__> ive installed hardware drivers
[04:58] <thomas__> its just when i go to change digital vibrance its just closes now?
[04:58] <pepee> Lewiis, ok, it's running, but I suppose it had to return more than 1 line
[04:58] <pepee> Lewiis, try reconfiguring the driver package or reinstalling it
[04:59] <powerinside_> sorry my net dropped out, repeating question : I have xubuntu 9.10 on another system too... so a 10.04 ubuntu alternate cd can also upgrade that?
[04:59] <Lewiis> is there an easy way to reinstall it without killing my X server and stuff?
[05:00] <cockaine> what do i use to unzip?
[05:00] <cockaine> winrar?
[05:00] <pepee> Lewiis, no
[05:00] <pepee> cockaine, apt-cache search unzip
[05:00] <pepee> cockaine, or use ark
[05:00] <dolomite> thomas__, try running nvidia-settings from a terminal. when it crashes, you should see an error output
[05:00] <Lewiis> thanks pepee
[05:00] <pepee> there's a package for rar files too
[05:00] <pepee> Lewiis, np
[05:02] <cockaine> pepee:  but this file has a rar ext
[05:02] <pepee> cockaine, aptitude install unrar
[05:03] <cockaine> kk
[05:03] <thomas__> dolomite: http://pastebin.com/91f9Lgxj
[05:05] <EvaZq> hello
[05:05] <dolomite> thomas__: definitely looks like a programming bug. take the necessary steps to make a report of it on bugs.launchpad.net
[05:05] <EvaZq> i want to know wich vide driver i'm using
[05:05] <EvaZq> i'm running kubuntu 10.04
[05:06] <pepee> EvaZq, run lspci | pastebinit
[05:08] <dolomite> whoa, pastebinit, didn't even know that existed
[05:08] <EvaZq> pastebinit is not installed
[05:09] <EvaZq> should i install it ?
[05:09] <pepee> yep
[05:09] <EvaZq> ok
[05:09] <pepee> dolomite, very useful
[05:09] <robert__> hey everyone, i just upgraded to 10.04 and kopete instant messenger isn't working
[05:09] <pepee> didn't know about it too, had a problem and someone told me to use it
[05:10] <EvaZq> done
[05:10] <robert__> can someone help?
[05:10] <EvaZq> it giveme a link
[05:10] <EvaZq> what next?
[05:10] <robert__> upgraded to 10.04 kopete aint working
[05:10] <pepee> EvaZq, gimme the link
[05:10] <EvaZq> http://pastebin.com/q8MspTWC
[05:11] <dolomite> robert__: try reinstalling
[05:11] <dolomite> (kopete)
[05:11] <robert__> how should I go about that?
[05:11] <pepee> EvaZq, Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
[05:12] <dolomite> robert__: sudo apt-get remove kopete
[05:12] <EvaZq> i see
[05:12] <robert__> word
[05:12] <EvaZq> tnkx
[05:12] <pepee> EvaZq, lsmod | egrep -i "i..5"
[05:12] <dolomite> robert__: then, sudo apt-get install kopete
[05:12] <robert__> alright i'll try it
[05:12] <robert__> thanks man
[05:12] <dolomite> yeah, report back
[05:12] <pepee> EvaZq, should return somthing like i915, or i945
[05:13] <EvaZq> yes it does
[05:13] <pepee> well, that's the driver
[05:13] <EvaZq> tnkx really helpful
[05:14] <pepee> np
[05:14] <EvaZq> kubuntu 9.10 had videocard integration right?
[05:14] <EvaZq> i mean like windows vista or seven
[05:14] <robert__> It worked!!!!
[05:14] <robert__> thanks alot dolemite
[05:14] <pepee> EvaZq, yeah
[05:15] <dolomite> robert__: np, glad it worked; keep this in mind as a common solution. since you've upgraded, somethings might need to be reinstalled
[05:15] <pepee> EvaZq, all versions have had integrated drivers
[05:15] <robert__> duly noted
[05:15] <progre55> lol
[05:15] <robert__> I'll remember those sudos
[05:15] <EvaZq> yes but this is the first time that i had issues with the drivers
[05:15] <progre55> you guys remember I wanted to remove a couple of kde packages? :)
[05:15] <EvaZq> i mean i use ubuntu since 7.X
[05:15] <pepee> EvaZq, what problems?
[05:15] <dolomite> progre55: yes
[05:16] <progre55> haha, I ended up installing kubuntu-desktop :)
[05:16] <EvaZq> i have a glitch on my screen
[05:16] <progre55> and damn, it's sooo much prettier than ubuntu..
[05:16] <EvaZq> there is a video on youtube that shows the problem
[05:16] <EvaZq> do you want te link ?
[05:16] <pepee> ok
[05:16] <dolomite> progre55: after all that complaining? :) it's beautiful huh?
[05:16] <pepee> EvaZq, yes
[05:17] <progre55> dolomite: I was not complaining =) I just had it partially, and wasnt even able to log in. and had never logged in
[05:17] <EvaZq> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPS7y6MCXc
[05:17] <progre55> dolomite: and wanted to see the look and feel now, and installed kubuntu-desktop, and it's awesome!
[05:17] <dolomite> progre55: so how about a clean install of kubuntu? join our side
[05:17] <EvaZq> i have the same problem not the scan lines the glitch
[05:17] <progre55> I used to use kde like 2-3 years ago
[05:18] <progre55> dolomite: well, I'll have ubuntu+kubuntu for now =) but for sure, will be logging into kde :P
[05:19] <EvaZq> can i install kde an gnome at the same time ?
[05:19] <progre55> EvaZq: that's what I've just done :) sure you can
[05:19] <robert__> for a bit of ubuntu humor, one time I went to my terminal and just for laughs I typed "sudo apt-get install my balls" and it told me I had to do it manually LAWL
[05:19] <dolomite> progre55: yeah, I was kidding. there's no need to get rid of ubuntu. KDE4.4 is really great.
[05:19] <progre55> robert__: lmao :D
[05:19] <EvaZq> lol
[05:20] <pepee> EvaZq, you have to tell your problem to the driver maintainers
[05:20] <progre55> dolomite: but not really sure what to do with that "desktop folder" :)
[05:20] <dolomite> robert__: glad you are learning your command line stuff
[05:20] <EvaZq> wich is ?
[05:21] <EvaZq> intel ? :S
[05:21] <pepee> EvaZq, I know one of them: /msg Sarvatt
[05:21] <EvaZq> i am new at irc stuff
[05:21] <EvaZq> so i just do that ?
[05:21] <dolomite> progre55: I don't ever use mine
[05:21] <robert__> thanks man, since i left windows i've been very happy with linux, and I think I've learned quite a bit about computers since then. This truly is the people's OS.
[05:21] <pepee> EvaZq, no, the maintainers of the ubuntu package
[05:21] <pepee> EvaZq, yep, msg him
[05:21] <EvaZq> yes i know but the /msg is an irc
[05:22] <EvaZq> command isn't it ?
[05:22] <pepee> yes
[05:22] <EvaZq> so i type that and then the issue ?
[05:22] <EvaZq> sorry really new :S
[05:23] <pepee> Sarvatt is his nickname
[05:24] <pepee> EvaZq, did you upgrade to lucid?
[05:24] <progre55> damn, I'm loving it =)
[05:24] <EvaZq> hummm
[05:24] <EvaZq> no
[05:25] <EvaZq> i downladed a complete vercion
[05:25] <progre55> dolomite: btw, where do I pin my stuff? only into my "favorites" under kmenu?
[05:25] <EvaZq> actually the beta
[05:25] <EvaZq> in the beta version that happens a lot
[05:25] <pepee> EvaZq, karmic?
[05:25] <EvaZq> in the LTS it happens less
[05:25] <EvaZq> lucid
[05:25] <dolomite> progre55: you mean application links and folders? there's a widget for that stuff
[05:25] <EvaZq> apt-get install kde-desktop ?
[05:26] <EvaZq> that's what you did ?
[05:26] <dolomite> progre55: I only have my conky and the moon phase widget on my desktop
[05:26] <progre55> dolomite: is it the "desktop-folder" stuff?
[05:27] <pepee> EvaZq, lucid was released yesterday
[05:27] <EvaZq> yes
[05:27] <progre55> dolomite: if you could please guide me on how to install that moon phase widget? :)
[05:27] <pepee> EvaZq, try doing an update
[05:27] <EvaZq> i downloaded yesterday
[05:27] <EvaZq> and installed today
[05:27] <dolomite> progre55: click that icon in the upper right corner and add a widget called folder view then configure it for ~/Desktop
[05:27] <pepee> ahh ok
[05:28] <dolomite> progre55: the moon phase widget is called luna
[05:28] <pepee> EvaZq, well, talk with Sarvatt
[05:28] <EvaZq> but before that i was ussing the beta relase
[05:28] <EvaZq> and that glitch happens a lot
[05:28] <EvaZq> i' had another computer with ubuntu and gnome
[05:28] <EvaZq> if i install kde-desktop
[05:29] <EvaZq> i can switch betwen desktops ?
[05:29] <EvaZq> or i can not ?
[05:29] <dolomite> EvaZq: install kubuntu-desktop
[05:29] <dolomite> EvaZq: then you'll be able to switch between gnome and kde at the login screen
[05:30] <EvaZq> perfect i will do it
[05:31] <EvaZq> what about the aplications ?
[05:31] <progre55> EvaZq: you're gonna love it =)
[05:31] <EvaZq> they still ?
[05:31] <pepee> EvaZq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/555350
[05:31] <progre55> EvaZq: yeah you dont lose any of your apps
[05:32] <progre55> dolomite: what's the luna widget for btw?
[05:32] <dolomite> that's the moon phase
[05:32] <EvaZq> peppe tnkx
[05:33] <pepee> EvaZq, post a link to the video in the bug report
[05:33] <EvaZq> so
[05:33] <dolomite> progre55: did you add the widgets?
[05:34] <EvaZq> ok then i will sign in
[05:34] <progre55> dolomite: yeah
[05:34] <pepee> EvaZq, do you speak spanish?
[05:35] <EvaZq> si
[05:35] <EvaZq> casi no hablo ingles
[05:36] <pepee> EvaZq, puedo mandarte un mensaje privado?
[05:36] <EvaZq>  si
[05:37] <dolomite> progre55: I'm leaving my computer now; have fun with kde!
[05:38] <progre55> dolomite: thanks man, appreciate all the help =)
[05:40] <powerinside> how big are the upgrades to 10.04 from 9.10 roughly around for ,say kubuntu?
[05:45] <Zombie__> hi
[05:45] <Zombie__> :)
[05:47] <Ukyoi> 不知这个irc频道有中国人否……
[05:47] <Zombie__> Please write English
[05:48] <Ukyoi> Sorry, I just wonder if there is any Chinese.
[05:48] <Ukyoi> I'm not good at English.
[05:48] <bazhang> !cn
[05:49] <Ukyoi> Yeah.
[05:49] <EvaZq> see you
[05:49] <bazhang>   /join #ubuntu-cn
[05:49] <Ukyoi> Oh, thanks.
[05:50] <Zombie__> hmmmm
[05:51] <noor> hello , i installed kubuntu desk top on mu ubuntu but i fell its slow
[05:52] <noor> how could i make it work faster
[05:52] <Ukyoi> You may try to turn off the graphic effects.
[05:52] <Ukyoi> Alt+Shift+F12
[05:54] <noor> yes its faster now thank you
[05:55] <Ukyoi> Don't mention it. The effects of KDE is slower than Gnome.
[05:56] <noor> mmm
[05:57] <noor> i installed xampp before and removed it
[05:57] <noor> now i try to install it again
[05:57] <noor> it gives me error
[05:58] <bazhang> xampp is not supported.
[05:58] <bazhang> try lamp
[05:58] <bazhang> !lamp > noor
[05:58] <Zombie_> I'm having trouble to log out
[05:59] <powerinside> @Ukyoi , try changing the composting type to OpenGL.. it might be in xrender mode which is usually slower. OpenGL will be fast if you got a moderately good card
[05:59] <Zombie_> I was using Karmic then yesterday I've upgraded to Lucid
[05:59] <Zombie_> now when I want to log out the screen went black
[05:59] <Zombie_> any solution?
[05:59] <Ukyoi> I'm using OpenGL now. But my PC is old.
[06:00] <noor> bazhang : is it easy to use like xampp the propleme im new to linux and already using xammp on windows so im afraid i cant fiend it easy for me
[06:00] <powerinside> Ok in that case dont even think about composting effects
[06:01] <Ukyoi> I'll leave. Cya.
[06:14] <progre55> hey guys, why isn't my amarok playing any music?
[06:14] <EvaZq> do you have the codecs ?
[06:14] <progre55> hmm.. I'm not really sure )
[06:14] <progre55> well I used to play music on gnome..
[06:15] <progre55> and just installed kubuntu-desktop over it
[06:15] <EvaZq> ooooh
[06:15] <progre55> btw, did you install it?
[06:16] <EvaZq> still downloading
[06:16] <EvaZq> 83 %
[06:16] <progre55> huh? downloading..
[06:16] <progre55> wow, it's been like half an hour now
[06:16] <ForgeAus> sory progre55 I come in late in the convo what did you have before you apt-got kubuntu-desktop :)
[06:17] <noor> why i cant use su with ubuntu it dont accept my password
[06:17] <EvaZq> yes really poor internet conection
[06:17] <progre55> ForgeAus: ubuntu, gnome
[06:17] <noor> how could i put password for root
[06:17] <ForgeAus> IC... yeah well pretty much has to be either ubuntu, xubuntu or a derivative anyway...
[06:17] <EvaZq> noor sudo passwrd
[06:18] <progre55> ForgeAus: now I just can switch between gnome and kde while logging in =)
[06:18] <progre55> noor: that's a really bad idea actually
[06:18] <noor> sudo: passwrd: command not found
[06:18] <progre55> passwd
[06:19] <progre55> noor: but I wouldnt suggest that..
[06:19] <EvaZq> sorry
[06:19] <noor> why
[06:19] <EvaZq> it0s passwd
[06:19] <EvaZq> why not
[06:19] <EvaZq> ?
[06:19] <EvaZq> jajajaaja
[06:19] <progre55> noor: cause it's a bad idea activating password for root
[06:19] <noor> so whin i want to use root acess what shal i do
[06:19] <progre55> just have it for your user
[06:19] <guest> progre55:  Did you try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[06:20] <EvaZq> it's a bad idea when you talk about security
[06:20] <progre55> and have the user in the sudoers
[06:20] <progre55> guest: oh, not really, let me try it
[06:20] <EvaZq> you should put
[06:20] <EvaZq> sudo
[06:20] <EvaZq> before your command
[06:20] <progre55> noor: sudo mycommandhere
[06:20] <noor> ok thank you
[06:20] <progre55> noor: or you can "sudo bash" first
[06:21] <progre55> noor: then you would be running all your commands under root
[06:21] <progre55> noor: but sudo bashing is also bad, cause you might forget that you are a super user..
[06:21] <EvaZq> sudo bash is not the same thing that su ?
[06:21] <progre55> noor: so better just put "sudo" every time before your commands
[06:22] <noor> ok i will
[06:22] <progre55> yeah it's the same
[06:22] <noor> the most important is to setup my apps :)
[06:22] <EvaZq> ok
[06:22] <noor> no propleme write sudo everytme
[06:22] <progre55> oh btw, I'm kinda new to kde.. what the hack is plasma-desktop and why is it eating my cpu? )
[06:22] <guest> I figured, but worth a try
[06:23] <Ender2070> its your desktop
[06:23] <EvaZq> lol
[06:23] <progre55> hmm
[06:23] <EvaZq> those are the destkop effects right ?
[06:23] <progre55> I guess I have too many widgets then =)
[06:23] <Ender2070> maybe in kubuntu
[06:23] <kubuntukrazy> howdy.  i just did the upgrade to 10.04 on my main PC and it seemed to go ok, until i tried to login.  i enter my password, hit enter, and it starts to show the loading screen but BOOM... kicks me back to the login prompt.
[06:23] <Ender2070> lol
[06:24] <kubuntukrazy> what's up with that?
[06:24] <Ender2070> old xorg
[06:24] <progre55> reconfigure your xorg
[06:24] <progre55> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:24] <Ender2070> the version is old
[06:25] <Ender2070> the new xorg works fine with desktop effects, but kubuntu doesnt have it
[06:26] <progre55> hmm.. I have pulseaudio running on kubuntu =)
[06:26] <Ender2070> pulseaudio is ftw
[06:27] <EvaZq> wo wo wo wo wo
[06:27] <EvaZq> kdm configuration
[06:27] <EvaZq> gdm or kdm ?
[06:27] <progre55> huh?
[06:27] <progre55> oh  you mean the default one
[06:27] <progre55> I chose gdm =)
[06:28] <Ender2070> kdm is better
[06:28] <EvaZq> kdm is better ?
[06:28] <progre55> aha, go to the #ubuntu channel, they'll say gdm is better )
[06:28] <EvaZq> lol
[06:28] <EvaZq> jajjajjaa
[06:29] <progre55> damn, amarok still not working..
[06:29] <Barridus> hmm, can anyone tell me where the main menu editor is now?  haven't used kde in a whiiiiiiiiiiiiile
[06:29] <Ender2070> yeah but the noobs in #ubuntu use gnome too
[06:31] <EvaZq> use
[06:31] <progre55> oh now I see why.. it says "The audio playback device HDA Intel (ALC6262 Analog) does not work"
[06:31] <EvaZq> songbird
[06:32] <progre55> but it does.. when I test it from the settings..
[06:32] <progre55> huh
[06:33] <progre55> hooray pulseaudio =)
[06:33] <progre55> set it as default on the very top, now playing =)
[06:34] <progre55> omg, it's freaking 7.34am here, and I havent slept yet!
[06:34] <EvaZq> woooo
[06:34] <EvaZq> where are you from progre?
[06:34] <progre55> not progre, it's supposed to be read as progress :)
[06:35] <progre55> from Sweden
[06:35] <EvaZq> i see and sorry
[06:35] <progre55> np =)
[06:35] <progre55> yesterday went to bed at 9am
[06:36] <EvaZq> it's 11:36 here
[06:36] <progre55> well, I'll go have breakfast and then off to bed =)
[06:36] <progre55> am?
[06:36] <EvaZq> pm
[06:36] <progre55> where's that?
[06:36] <progre55> LA or smth?
[06:36] <EvaZq> hahaha i wish
[06:36] <progre55> =)
[06:36] <EvaZq> i'm from mexico
[06:36] <progre55> ah, I see =)
[06:37] <EvaZq> yes i live in the hell
[06:37] <progre55> come on, mexico is not that bad
[06:37] <progre55> you just havent been to real hell :)
[06:37] <EvaZq> actually
[06:37] <EvaZq> i workd
[06:38] <EvaZq> on something like
[06:38] <EvaZq> damm i forgot the word
[06:38] <EvaZq> peace group
[06:38] <maple1> flash 10.0.41.2 in firefox won't render videos on fucktube.com
[06:38] <maple1> I'm using ubuntu 9.10
[06:39] <progre55> peace corpse? )
[06:39] <EvaZq> yes
[06:39] <EvaZq> corpse
[06:39] <EvaZq> taht works only in mexico
[06:39] <progre55> maple1: let me guess, 64bit?
[06:39] <Barridus> hmm, can anyone tell me where the main menu editor is now?
[06:40] <maple1> I have the x86 version installed
[06:40] <maple1> I haven't baited in 5 days and I can't take this
[06:40] <EvaZq> well i keep GDM
[06:41] <EvaZq> i was tunning my guitar and i complety forget about the installation
[06:41] <progre55> lol
[06:41] <maple1> what amp sim sw you use?
[06:42] <progre55>  where's the "media" button in kubuntu?? I mean, a keyboard button
[06:43] <EvaZq> progress
[06:43] <progre55> to use with amarok
[06:43] <progre55> EvaZq: yep?
[06:43] <maple1> a recommendation. get a cracked version of revalver MKII/III VST and load only the cabinet speaker module, and then run your cracked version of guitar rig 4/amplitube 3 VST through that. disable any and all cabs in guitar rig/amplitube and within revalver (should be last in the chain) load a guitarhack impules (they're the best on the web)
[06:43] <EvaZq> is there a desktop wall effect in kde ?
[06:43] <maple1> impulse*
[06:43] <progre55> EvaZq: you asking me? I just installed it =)
[06:43] <cockaine> ahhhhhhhhh
[06:44] <cockaine> installation fail!!
[06:44] <EvaZq> yess
[06:44] <cockaine> :'(
[06:44] <EvaZq> jajjajajaa
[06:44] <progre55> EvaZq: and dont even know where the amarok shortcuts are..
[06:44] <cockaine> mine stops at "preparing memtest86+" wtf....
[06:44] <EvaZq> nope
[06:44] <EvaZq> jajaja
[06:44] <EvaZq> i use songbird
[06:44] <maple1> or you can enjoy your NES quality distortion
[06:44] <cockaine> anyone else here has the same issue?
[06:44] <maple1> lest you not take my advice
[06:45] <EvaZq> wich issue ?
[06:45] <EvaZq> the installation finished
[06:46] <cockaine> my installation/update stops at preparing memtest86+
[06:46] <progre55> btw, anyone using a sony-vaio laptop here? the brightness control functions (fn + f5/f6) dont work after upgrading to lucid. any solutions?
[06:47] <progre55> vaio vgn-nw21sf
[06:47] <progre55> if it helps, of course)
[06:50] <Barridus> how can i remove duplicates from my launcher main menu
[06:52] <EvaZq> progress
[06:52] <progre55> Barridus: right-click and remove?
[06:53] <progre55> EvaZq: m?
[06:53] <progre55> EvaZq: how did it go? )
[06:53] <EvaZq> bad
[06:53] <EvaZq> jajaaja
[06:53] <EvaZq> pretty slow
[06:53] <progre55> what do you mean, slow?
[06:53] <progre55> the installation process or the OS?
[06:53] <EvaZq> slow really slow
[06:53] <EvaZq> te OS
[06:53] <Barridus> progre55, i guess that doesn't work in the netbook version.  i seem to remember some sort of editor in kde
[06:53] <EvaZq> the OS
[06:53] <progre55> oh
[06:54] <progre55> Barridus: oh, not sure then..
[06:54] <EvaZq> the new itnterfase is great
[06:54] <EvaZq> (Y)
[06:54] <Barridus> ok thanks anyways progre55
[06:54] <progre55> Barridus: I'm pretty new to kubuntu.. like 2 hours old so far =)
[06:54] <Barridus> hehe, i'm like a born again newbie myself, gave up on kde a while back but it's great again
[06:54] <cockaine> grr
[06:55] <cockaine> im gonna kill the update
[06:55] <cockaine> :'(
[06:55] <cockaine> im pissed off!
[06:58] <EvaZq> what's wrong with the update ?
[06:58] <wrr_> wrr@laptop:~$ ifconfig
[06:58] <wrr_> eth0      Link encap:以太网  硬件地址 00:1d:72:1a:dc:e8
[06:58] <wrr_>           inet6 地址: fe80::21d:72ff:fe1a:dce8/64 Scope:Link
[06:58] <wrr_>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  跃点数:1
[06:58] <wrr_>           接收数据包:41 错误:0 丢弃:0 过载:0 帧数:0
[06:58] <FloodBotK3> wrr_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:02] <cockaine> EvaZq:  it stops!
[07:02] <Barridus> progre55, got the answer in another channel if you want it, kmenuedit
[07:02] <cockaine> EvaZq:  --->  <cockaine> my installation/update stops at preparing memtest86+
[07:03] <Barridus> how meta, i had to create a shortcut to kmenuedit via kmenuedit
[07:03]  * Barridus looks at a picture of himself holding a picture of himself etc
[07:04] <cockaine> oh good, not it repeats "found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic
[07:04] <cockaine> ffs!!
[07:05] <maple1> I'm such a horny girl
[07:05] <maple1> anyone wanna cuddle with me?
[07:05] <progre55> Barridus: oh, cool =)
[07:05] <EvaZq> what what
[07:05] <EvaZq> jjajaajaj
[07:05]  * progre55 cuddles maple1
[07:05] <vadi01> cockaine: use the alternate cd then
[07:05] <rohan> how do i upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to 10.04?
[07:06] <maple1> I'm  700lbs. but my personality is anorexic
[07:06] <maple1> I promise
[07:06] <EvaZq> lol
[07:06] <progre55> rohan: you cant.. need to do it step by step..
[07:06] <progre55> rohan: 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 and only then 10.04
[07:06] <EvaZq> progress i think that i'm going to still with gnome
[07:06] <maple1> is KDE still worse than vista/
[07:06] <maple1> ?
[07:06] <progre55> EvaZq: why? kde too slow? )
[07:07] <EvaZq> yes
[07:07] <progre55> maple1: much better
[07:07] <vadi01> kde rocks
[07:07] <EvaZq> much better
[07:07] <EvaZq> but
[07:07] <vadi01> \o/
[07:07] <maple1> I don't remember KDE ever being efficient
[07:07] <EvaZq> i don0t know what happen
[07:07] <maple1> except in the early days
[07:07] <maple1> like late 90s-2001
[07:07] <progre55> EvaZq: throw out your comp and buy a more powerful one =)
[07:07] <maple1> when it would be fast on a pentium pro
[07:07] <EvaZq> lol
[07:07] <cockaine> KDE isnt slow
[07:07] <rohan> progre55: oops.. i thought since ubuntu can be upgraded from 8.04 to 10.04, kubuntu can too
[07:07] <cockaine> liez!
[07:08] <EvaZq> my next computer it's goiing to be a macbook pro
[07:08] <progre55> rohan: huh? ubuntu can? didnt know that..
[07:08] <progre55> rohan: well then if ubuntu can, then I'm sure kubuntu can, too )
[07:08] <maple1> gnome is fast but its so uninspiring
[07:08] <maple1> it's the windows 3.1 of linux GUIs
[07:08] <EvaZq> @maple1 i agree
[07:08] <rohan> progre55: yes, that's what is strange -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades -- have a look at the kubuntu section
[07:09] <progre55> rohan: oh yeah, cause 8.04 is LTS
[07:09] <progre55> rohan: but you wouldnt be able to upgrate from 8.10 to 10.04 directly
[07:10] <progre55> my bad, forgot it was LTS )
[07:10] <EvaZq> what LTS means ?
[07:11] <progre55> long term support
[07:11] <EvaZq> ooooooooooooo
[07:11] <EvaZq> tnkx
[07:12] <rohan> progre55: right
[07:13] <progre55> rohan: "Please note: upgrades from Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) are not supported, a fresh install is needed."
[07:13] <progre55> rohan: http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[07:13] <progre55> rohan: so just fresh-install =)
[07:13] <rohan> wow how did i miss that! thanks, progre55
[07:13] <progre55> I had karmic, but still fresh installed to lucid =)
[07:14] <progre55> rohan: google is powerful :P
[07:14] <EvaZq> are you using open gl ?
[07:14] <progre55> oh btw, people
[07:14] <wrr_> network management has been disabled,how to restart
[07:14] <wrr_> help,please
[07:15] <eteroul> Is there anyone who can help me over reading of pdf files using Apache PDFBOX?
[07:15] <progre55> when booting, my splash-screen is really bad quality, like 480x600 or smth.. and it looks so bad. any ways to improve it??
[07:16] <progre55> wrr_: I know on ubuntu you alt+f2 and run "nm-applet". mb the same here..
[07:16] <progre55> wrr_: I'm kinda new to kubuntu, so cant be sure =)
[07:16] <wrr_> thank you,i'll try
[07:16] <eteroul> progre55, yes , you can use splash screen of your choice by modifying in boot file.
[07:16] <progre55> oh wait, alt+f2 is search )
[07:16] <EvaZq> progress you are a guruuu jajaajaja
[07:17] <progre55> wrr_: you could run it on terminal "nm-applet &"
[07:17] <EvaZq> leaving to gnome again
[07:17] <progre55> EvaZq: luck )
[07:17] <wrr_> thank you
[07:17] <cockaine> hmm
[07:17] <progre55> eteroul: how? where?
[07:18] <cockaine> im afraid to cancel the update D:
[07:18] <rohan> no, on kubuntu you add the network manager plasmoid to the panel
[07:18] <progre55> oh =)
[07:18] <eteroul> First, go to /boot/grub folder.
[07:19] <progre55> wrr_: ^^
[07:19] <EvaZq> well
[07:19] <EvaZq>  i have to admit
[07:19] <eteroul> And then open grub.cfg
[07:19] <EvaZq> that KDE looks muuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better
[07:19] <EvaZq> than gnome
[07:19] <EvaZq> but i need the performas of gnome
[07:19] <EvaZq> U_U
[07:19] <progre55> eteroul: done that )
[07:19] <progre55> EvaZq: +1
[07:20] <EvaZq> wa ?
[07:20] <eteroul> progre55 what changes have you made in the file?
[07:20] <progre55> EvaZq: meaning, I agree )
[07:20] <progre55> eteroul: nothing yet.. just going through
[07:21] <progre55> eteroul: but are you sure it's the right place for configing the splash screen, not the grub menu?
[07:21] <cockaine> X.X
[07:21] <cockaine> i killed the desktop! how do i put it back on?
[07:22] <progre55> which desktop?
[07:22] <cockaine> the desktop bar
[07:22] <eteroul> progre55: I think with most probability.
[07:22] <progre55> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
[07:22] <cockaine> hm
[07:22] <progre55> oh, not sure about the desktop bar then
[07:22] <EvaZq> on KDE or gnome ?
[07:23] <cockaine> KDE
[07:23] <EvaZq> no sorry :S
[07:23] <EvaZq> can help you then
[07:23] <EvaZq> this is wrooong
[07:24] <cockaine> :/
[07:24] <EvaZq> evering keeps the fonts of kde but now i am on gnome
[07:25] <cockaine> im gona reboot the whole thing xD
[07:25] <EvaZq> me too
[07:27] <eteroul> Hello, anybody there who can help me with Apache PDFBOX?
[07:28] <maco> maple1: that "horny girl" bit was completely inappropriate for this channel
[07:34] <EvaZq> progress
[07:35] <EvaZq> progre55
[07:35] <progre55> m?
[07:35] <progre55> EvaZq: yeah?
[07:35] <EvaZq> i can't remove
[07:35] <EvaZq> kde
[07:35] <EvaZq> O_O
[07:36] <EvaZq> it changes my gnome configuration :S
[07:36] <EvaZq> my fonts
[07:36] <EvaZq> and a lot of styles
[07:36] <progre55> hmm
[07:36] <progre55> how did you try to remove it?
[07:37] <EvaZq> apt-get autore
[07:37] <EvaZq> autoremove
[07:37] <progre55> just autoremove?
[07:38] <EvaZq> yes :S
[07:38] <progre55> EvaZq: If you want to remove all !KDE packages, type « sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » into a terminal
[07:38] <EvaZq> tnkx (Y)
[07:39] <progre55> np
[07:39] <EvaZq> i'm just a noob U_U
[07:40] <progre55> so am I, actually =)
[07:42] <progre55> huh, wtf. I click ctrl+shift+t on kterminal, and it splits my screen into 2, then 3. how do I change it back? )
[07:42] <progre55> just wanted to open a new tab..
[07:42] <EvaZq> hummm
[07:42] <EvaZq> still
[07:42] <EvaZq> :S
[07:42] <EvaZq> there is nothing like reinstall ´'?
[07:42] <EvaZq> for ubuntu-desktop ?
[07:43] <progre55> hmm.. donno
[07:43] <progre55> what if you just change the fonts and stuff?
[07:43] <EvaZq> i did it
[07:43] <EvaZq> but they still :S
[07:46] <zoiss> hey guys. did anyone experience the message indicator symbol to be misaligned? mine is not centered. neither horizontaly nor vertically :]
[07:51] <ForgeAus> wow thats interesting I never knew Debian predated redhat
[07:51] <ForgeAus> it doesn't suprise me that slackware predated both of them tho lol
[07:54] <EvaZq> progre55 thanks for all your help
[07:54] <EvaZq> (Y)
[07:55] <progre55> EvaZq: did it work?
[07:56] <progre55> what was the name of that application for mac-like menu icons?
[07:57] <ForgeAus> hehe... baghira had mac theming but KDE4 I don't think has baghira ...
[07:57] <EvaZq> nope
[07:58] <EvaZq> it didn't
[07:58] <ForgeAus> nless someone else picks up the project It sounded like the guy who made it wasn't going to either...
[07:58] <EvaZq> but doesn't matter
[07:58] <EvaZq> i will make a clean install again
[07:59] <ForgeAus> firefox has a nice Crystal Qute theme but I dunno what app does mac-like menu icons... it could just be an icon theme you might find on kde-look.org I'm not sure
[07:59] <progre55> ForgeAus: docky, apparently )
[07:59] <ForgeAus> docky? ... ohh kay I'll have a look
[07:59] <progre55> EvaZq: sorry to hear that, man
[08:00] <progre55> well arright, I'm off to bed now..
[08:00] <progre55> 9am! 0_o
[08:00] <progre55> take care people
[08:00] <progre55> EvaZq: good luck dude =)
[08:00] <ForgeAus> AVN would have made a nice Dock for Kubuntu had it not gone so Gnome-based
[08:01] <ForgeAus> oops AWN
[08:01] <ForgeAus> (Avant Window Navagator) or something like that, from memory...
[08:11] <progre55> hey people, still, the wallpaper that is shown after the grub menu, before the login screen is really bad quality (low resolution). Any fixes, please?
[08:14] <vadi01> guys am going to install kubuntu 10.0.4 now. hope no serious hitches are there or should i just stick to 9.04?
[08:14] <SilverCode> progre55: what video driver you using?
[08:14] <colorsoundboy> how can i make akonadi working it is really bad stuff :| I can't get into addressbook :|
[08:14] <progre55> SilverCode: ATI radeon
[08:14] <progre55> 4500 Series
[08:15] <SilverCode> colorsoundboy: good luck, I've been struggling with akonadi since KDE4.4 was released ... good luck :)
[08:15] <SilverCode> progre55: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290
[08:16] <SilverCode> progre55: that is logged for nvidia binary driver + kubuntu, but it may be the same thing you have
[08:16] <colorsoundboy> so better disable the akonadi software ?
[08:16] <progre55> SilverCode: aha, thanks
[08:16] <SilverCode> colorsoundboy: I don't think you can if you plan on using Kontact
[08:17] <SilverCode> colorsoundboy: or much of KDE for that matter
[08:17] <colorsoundboy> pffff why they put them into this then if it is not working :)
[08:18] <SilverCode> colorsoundboy: *shrug* it is the KDE guys. KDE4.4 uses akonadi for all contact, calendar etc type things
[08:18] <SilverCode> colorsoundboy: despite it being very broken
[08:19] <colorsoundboy> yes it is restart the server which is helping a bit
[08:35] <vadi01> damn seems nvidia is going to be  problem with kubuntu
[08:35] <vadi01> they say its fixed but from the compaints i see seems its not
[08:40] <madura> vadi01: same with ati
[08:44] <madura> desktop fps drops to 49 with open drivers :S
[08:48] <justus> hi
[08:50] <madura> justus: hi
[08:50] <justus> I'm really starting to freak out now, I try to use multiple monitors here, but even now after it finally kind of works, the second screen is just black and I can't do anything on it
[08:51] <justus> I allready did a little research and found exactly nothing that was both helpful and understandable
[08:51] <madura> justus: ati or nvidia?
[08:51] <justus> nvidia
[08:52] <justus> this here: http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8756/README/appendix-p.html
[08:52] <justus> seems to be not for me, because I want the screens to operate as one
[08:52] <madura> i dont know much about dual head tho try reading the docs at ubuntu site
[08:52] <justus> I want to be able to drag windows from one to the other
[08:52] <madura> the new xorg is not supported by the old video drivers
[08:53] <SilverCode> justus: I had the same problem
[08:53] <madura> you'd need some driver that is made on atleast this april
[08:53] <justus> I allready have the most current nvidia driver installed
[08:53] <madura> brb
[08:53] <justus> SilverCode: and how did you solve it?
[08:54] <SilverCode> justus: I used the nvidia drivers from the repos, and then set it up with nvidia-settings which left me with 2 working monitors, but the 1 desktop wasn't "there". I could move windows to it, but I couldn't click on it or anything
[08:54] <SilverCode> justus: it was just a black screen
[08:54] <justus> exactly what I have now
[08:54] <SilverCode> justus: I ended up hang merging my old xorg.conf with the new one that nvidia-xconfig created
[08:54] <justus> well, minus the window moving part
[08:55] <SilverCode> *hang=hand
[08:55] <SilverCode> justus: and then after a restart, it worked
[08:57] <justus> basically that means: handwrite your xorg.conf
[08:58] <pensacola> hey
[08:58] <pensacola> is there a default ipod manager for kubuntu?
[08:58] <xaviez> hi there
[08:59] <SilverCode> justus: http://pastebin.com/H2nDX9F8
[08:59] <xaviez> i installed 10.4 yesterday and accidently removed the clock on the lower right on the screen, how can i get it back ?
[08:59] <SilverCode> justus: take a look at that, the important parts are the ServerFlags/Xinerama, and Screen/Twinview+metamodes
[09:00] <justus> ok, thank you SilverCode
[09:00] <SilverCode> justus: if you don't already have a decent looking xorg.conf, then run nvidia-xconfig to generate one
[09:00] <SilverCode> justus: after that, restart the XServer, and if things go according to plan, it shoudl work correctly (it did for me anyway)
[09:01] <SilverCode> justus: just for the metamodes line, DFP-0 is my laptop LCD, and DFP-1 is my attached screen
[09:02] <SilverCode> justus: by "attached" I mean attached with DVI cable, not attached to the laptop :)
[09:02] <justus> kind of what I thought ;)
[09:02] <SilverCode> justus: anyway, DFP-1 is on the right of the laptop, which is what the +1440+0 is for
[09:03] <SilverCode> justus: 'cause my laptop horizantal res is 1440
[09:03] <SilverCode> justus: so you will need to adjust the numbers accordingly
[09:03] <justus> yup, and if I get it running there's gonna be a hell of a complaint towards whoever is responsible for this mess ;) if not I'll use tactical nukes :D
[09:04] <justus> you could call the process slightly unintuitive ^^
[09:04] <SilverCode> yeah, it seems that every release, Kubuntu gets worse
[09:05] <vadi01> SilverCode: what about plymount? did the resolution come back?
[09:06] <Taravel> hello, I should upgrade my Kubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04. Before doing this operation I would want to save my important data. Can I export all my identity with mails and calendar from Kontact?
[09:06] <vadi01> SilverCode: seems only the video drivers have the problem. :) not that bad.
[09:06] <SilverCode> vadi01: nope, that is a seperate issue, but a fix is in testing for it as far as I know. Thankfully I use an SSD so I don't see boot screens :)
[09:07] <SilverCode> vadi01: my 2 main problems with 10.04 so far have been the binary nvidia drivers, and akonadi
[09:08] <SilverCode> haven't had much else of a problem so far though
[09:11] <islington> SilverCode: how bad are the nvid drivers?
[09:14] <SilverCode> islington: the drivers themselves are ok ... their integration with Kubuntu ... not so much
[09:14] <SilverCode> islington: but I say this because I run a dual monitor setup
[09:15] <SilverCode> islington: I'm sure if you use a single monitor, you wouldn't have a problem
[09:16] <islington> thanks I generally like to wait until the first bunch of updates are released to update this computer, my laptop lives on the edge, this one plays it safe
[09:20] <Fill23> i am new with kde, how to remove bluetooth and printer applets from autoloading on startup? I can't find them in autostart section. And howbind Konsole on 'Win + t' ?
[09:24] <rcp049> Hi there...anybody knows how to install java runtime on Kubuntu 10.04..thanks!
[09:25] <SilverCode> Fill23: Not sure about the auto loading thing, but for the Win+T launching Konsole, do the following:
[09:26] <SilverCode> Fill23: K->Sytem Settings->Input Actions
[09:26] <SilverCode> Fill23: Make sure nothing is selected, then click Edit->New Group
[09:26] <SilverCode> Fill23: Name it anything you like
[09:27] <SilverCode> Fill23: Then right click on it, and choose New->Global Shortcut->Command/URL
[09:28] <SilverCode> Fill23: in the trigger tab, click the shortcut box and push Win+t, and then in the action tab, enter /usr/bin/konsole
[09:28] <SilverCode> Fill23: then make sure both the group and the action are checked in the list on the left, and click apply
[09:29] <terran4000> hey, I just upgraded to 10.04 and the before I can even login I get the error (in a nice blue screen) that says "Error, cannot mount /proc/sys/usb" (or something like that, don't remember the exact path). any ideas on how to fix that?
[09:29] <SilverCode> rcp049: you need to enable the Ubuntu Partner repos, and then install the sun-java6-jre package
[09:30] <rcp049> SilverCode: thanks a lot, i'll give it a try!
[09:30] <Fleck> help - updateted to 10.04 - xorg "eats" all CPU
[09:30] <Fleck> everything is so slow
[09:33] <muimota> hi!
[09:33] <mauri> are the scanner recognized by lucid? why the xane project has been stopped in 2009?
[09:33] <Fill23> SilverCode: hmm, group:own -> entry: konsole -> trigger: Win + t -> action: '/usr/bin/konsole' Nothing happens?
[09:34] <rcp049> SilverCode: it just worked! thanks a lot for the help!
[09:34] <SilverCode> Fill23: are you sure the options are enabled on the left?
[09:34] <Fill23> SilverCode: do i need to  restart kde? or i messed up somewhere?
[09:34] <kirill> ривет
[09:34] <muimota> I've been using kubuntu for a couple of years , but now I've lost my taskbar
[09:34] <Fill23> SilverCode: yep both lines are checked
[09:34] <kirill> hi
[09:35] <muimota> I don't have launcher or notifications
[09:35] <muimota> :(
[09:35] <SilverCode> Fill23: sounds right, and you wouldn't need to restart.....hmmm....I assume you clicked Apply?
[09:35] <Fill23> SilverCode: yep, it's greyed now
[09:35] <SilverCode> Fill23: strange
[09:35] <kirill> we bihc
[09:37] <SilverCode> Fill23: try a create a new one with a different key combo, and a diff app .. see if it does the same
[09:37] <FeasibilityStudy> anyone else getting a lot of memory usage?
[09:37] <FeasibilityStudy> Xorg is using over 300MB on my machine.
[09:37] <Fill23> SilverCode: in action tab i need to jst type command in upper section without qoutes?
[09:37] <Fill23> SilverCode: will try now
[09:37] <mauri> Why the scanner are bad supported in ubuntu?
[09:38] <FeasibilityStudy> And what are these "kio_http" services I see?  there are like 10 of them.
[09:38] <SilverCode> Fill23: yeah, or flick on the little icon to the right of the input box and browse for the executable
[09:39] <SilverCode> *click
[09:39] <madura> is that mem leak on xorg affecting kubuntu 10.04 LTS release? wasnt it fixed?
[09:40] <madura> my xorg is 154 MB now :S
[09:40] <Justus> well, XServer is pretty much dead now, allthough that might have something to do with the crashed dist-upgrade
[09:40] <Justus> hurray for usability :D
[09:42] <Fill23> SilverCode: mm, there is now browse button in action tub, right under action cuption is text field where you can type, and there is nothing on the right of it, under that field i see subsection called 'Window' there another text field and buttons on the right 'Edit' 'Add' 'Double' 'Delete'
[09:42] <FeasibilityStudy> No i am on the final 10.04
[09:42] <madura> anyone how i can upgrade xserver?
[09:43] <madura> HELP !! xorg is 173 MB now!
[09:43] <Mamarok> madura: dont shout, please
[09:44] <madura> Mamarok: didnt shout lol, anyways wheres the fix for kubuntu?
[09:44] <vadi01> muimota: just right click and add the widget
[09:44] <Mamarok> madura: capitals are shouting, please don't
[09:44] <Fill23> SilverCode: solved :) My bad, i added not command/url but keyboard entry )) everything is works now. Thx 4 your help :)
[09:44] <SilverCode> Fill23: ah, ok :)
[09:47] <FeasibilityStudy> madura: that's nothing, my Xorg is over 300MB
[09:48] <Newboy> has somebody got the catalyst 10.4 to work with Kubuntu lucid? i thought it would support the new x server?
[09:48] <madura> Newboy:  it works but now the xorg is 200+MB
[09:49] <muimota_> muimota
[09:49] <muimota_> (sorry)
[09:50] <muimota_> I've lost my taskbar
[09:50] <Newboy> really how did you got it to work when i build the Ubuntu lucid package it only builds 4 packages xorg-driver-fglrx and libamdxvba are missing
[09:50] <muimota_> I'0m trying to redo ir , I added a new panel, with the launcher, tasks, clock,
[09:50] <madura> Newboy: download the drivers from ati
[09:51] <muimota_> but I don't find the notifications (that little "i" next to the clock)
[09:51] <muimota_> some knows the name of that widget?
[09:51] <mefisto__> muimota_: add system tray
[09:51] <Newboy> i used the driver from ati
[09:52] <muimota_> mefisto_ thanks
[09:52] <madura> Newboy: what was the result?
[09:52] <Newboy> it only creates 4 packages for me when i build it for lucid
[09:52] <Newboy> normally it should be 6 i think
[09:53] <Newboy> when i install the 4 packages only fglrxinfo shows me segmentaion fault
[09:54] <madura> Newboy: well i just downloaded the .run package and ran it works like a charm
[09:54] <madura> Newboy: remove all u installed from the repos
[09:54] <FeasibilityStudy> On a fresh boot, Xorg only uses like 40MB
[09:54] <FeasibilityStudy> So there's definitely a memory leak
[09:55] <Newboy> so you did the direct install of the driver without building packages?
[09:55] <islington> FeasibilityStudy: might be a plasmoid
[09:55] <Guest44240> hello, i have a problem with language
[09:55] <islington> kill plasma-desktop
[09:56] <Guest44240> when i install my language , it translates rarely. Most of dialogs still syated in English
[10:00] <ironstone> hi. can anyone comment on compatibility with an ASUS N61JV notebook ? looking at getting one, and want to run linux on it.
[10:00] <FeasibilityStudy> islington: I am reading that the Xorg memory leak was supposedly fixed, so i dont know whats up
[10:04] <draik> Hello everyone. How is 10.04 working out for those using it now?
[10:04] <alakoo> everything in order here
[10:04] <Newboy> i got trouble with newest ati catalyst but everything else seems to be fine
[10:06] <draik> I'm about to upgrade a server, desktop, laptop and netbook. Just wanted to make sure.
[10:06] <FeasibilityStudy> draik: Some of us are having Xorg eat a lot of memory.
[10:06] <draik> Hmmm... I might hold off on the desktop
[10:08] <draik> I'm still on 9.10 on the desktop. I suddenly started having all of my audio playing out of one (central) speaker. I have a 5.1 surround sound setup, but now I just have everything coming out of the center speaker. Any way to fix this?
[10:09] <Newboy> draik if you have ati graphic card and need 3d you should perhapsly wait until another catalyst is out now you only have 10.4 and if you have trouble with that one you haven got 3d
[10:10] <draik> I have nVidia, so I think I'll be OK.
[10:10] <Fill23_> how do i setup kubuntu to change resolution to custom one, wich it fails to detect, during startup?
[10:10] <Newboy> yea that`s the better choice for linux
[10:11] <Newboy> my ram usage is very low 35% with 2GB memory
[10:11] <draik> I'm upgrading the laptop right now. This can't be right. 12 minutes to download a total of 1400 packages?
[10:11] <Newboy> hehe you must be on a fast line
[10:11] <draik> 1.5MB/s
[10:12] <Newboy> ah yea thatś fast
[10:13] <draik> That's a first for me. I'm used to the 1-1.5 hours for getting all of my packages.
[10:13] <FeasibilityStudy> Fill23_: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[10:13] <Newboy> madura: do you also have xvba support when you install the driver directly?
[10:14] <madura> Newboy: dont know, i used compositing on a earlier session with this driver now it just doesnt turn on :S after a reboot
[10:14] <draik> About my audio/speaker issue. Is there a tool/package for me to setup the 5.1 surround sound?
[10:14] <Newboy> ah :(
[10:15] <Martiini> madura:  Are You Japanese ?
[10:15] <madura> Newboy: just dont get it, it worked well before
[10:15] <madura> Martiini:  no
[10:15] <Newboy> draik i haven got 5.1 can tell you anything about that
[10:17] <Newboy> seems i have to try it
[10:17] <Martiini> Madura = island in Indonesia ... http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madura
[10:18] <madura> Martiini: yea :P but im from sri lanka
[10:19] <willy> hi everyone... anyone with a fresh install of kubuntu lucid?
[10:19] <madura> Willy yes
[10:20] <draik> !audio
[10:20] <Fill23_> FeasibilityStud: thx but this article about splash screen, my problem i want my resolution been setup when kde start's so i don't have to manualy set it up every time. But problem that this resolution not detected automaticly, so i have to add it using 'xrandr' and 'cvt'.
[10:21] <Hamra> can you please run this command, and pastebin the output file?         dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 -d '    '> current-list
[10:21] <Hamra> before the > there's a tab character between the apostrophes
[10:22] <Hamra> i just need a list of default packages, to prepare a list of the packages i'll need to install after my fresh install :)
[10:23] <draik> The packages have begun installation \o/
[10:25] <draik> download 1400+ packages: ~10 minutes
[10:26] <draik> Installing those packages: 2 hours 15 minutes
[10:26] <draik> I guess I can't win them all
[10:26] <vadi01> well am on kubuntu 10.04
[10:26] <vadi01> so far so good
[10:26] <vadi01> using the noveou drivers of course
[10:27] <Newboy> vaadi01 are you using nvidia or ati?
[10:28] <vadi01> Newboy: nvidia but i have not installed them. the noveau driver is good
[10:28] <vadi01> as in i have not installed any prop drivers yet
[10:29] <vadi01> in anycase its recommened you use noveau
[10:29] <Newboy> ok i was searching for somebody who is building catalyst 10.4 Ubuntu/lucid package
[10:31] <Newboy> the only prop driver i only need is ati catalyst but to install it is always a pain in the ass
[10:31] <maco> im not sure if that word's allowed in here
[10:32] <vadi01> hmmm last i heard ati was really ok
[10:32] <ADC> hey
[10:32] <tom_> I had no problems with the catalyst
[10:32] <vadi01> but thats with the fedora people
[10:32] <ADC> about catalyst
[10:32] <Newboy> tom_ you build the Ubuntu/lucid package?
[10:32] <ADC> why do i get a composite mode unavailable with kubuntu
[10:33] <ADC> and when i install the dedicaded ati drivers, the animations are mostly lost because of composite
[10:33] <tom_> no I didn't build the package, I just installed the driver via kubuntus management
[10:34] <Hamra> envyng doesn't help with ATI drivers?
[10:34] <Newboy> ah ok the repo driver wasn`t working for me
[10:35] <tom_> there should be a catalyst on tyhe ati website for download Newboy
[10:35] <tom_> but I dont know if that differs from the repos
[10:36] <Newboy> tom_ yes i tried to build that one for Ubuntu/lucid but it only gives me 4 packages 2 packages are missing
[10:40] <tom_> which packages did the automated ati installer require?
[10:43] <Flutiju`> Hi, I have a question : Since the Lucid upgrade, the script I have in .kde/Autostart don't start anymore when KDE starts. If I start it manually, it wors
[10:43] <Flutiju`> works*
[10:47] <tom_> Flutiju`  you can try adding the script in the systems settings (-> autostart)
[10:48] <Flutiju`> It's already there, active at boot
[10:50] <tom_> have you tried other options?
[10:52] <Flutiju`> It's a script to start xcalib (color calibration for my screen) so I guess it should not be launched "before kde"
[10:54] <tom_> I only have the options "Startup, Shutdown, pre-KDE"
[10:55] <Flutiju`> Yes, I set it to Startup
[10:59] <tom_> how do you run the script? clicking on it or terminal?
[11:00] <Flutiju`> No, in Konsole : .kde/Autostart/start_xcalib.sh
[11:01] <tom_> have you ckecked the "is executable" box under permissions(properties of the file)?
[11:02] <Flutiju`> Yep
[11:06] <ubuntu___> hello, after upgrade to 10.04 i got kernel panic: "not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow block (0,0)" - how can I repair it?
[11:09] <rainer_> www.web.de
[11:13] <draik> I'm giving up on my audio for now. It comes in distorted with bass for no reason after setting it to 5.1/ch6
[11:13] <draik> On the netbook, if I want to go from Desktop to Netbook, what is the installation package?
[11:14] <Mamarok> draik: you do actually have tracks recorded in 5.1 mode?
[11:14] <tom_> Flutiju` you could check the autostart path in the system settings -> about me -> paths
[11:15] <Flutiju`> tom_ : /home/shura/.kde/Autostart/
[11:15] <draik> Mamarok: These are all audio files which used to play clearly. Now, it is coming out of the center speaker; audio, bass and all
[11:15] <Flutiju`> It's ok, so
[11:15] <tom_> yeah
[11:15] <tom_> very strange problem
[11:16] <Wojtek> can anyone help me? :)
[11:16] <Mamarok> draik: you can only play tracks in 5.1 mode if those are recorded in that mode, else it will come out center
[11:16] <draik> Mamarok: Weird that it does it now and not then
[11:16] <Flutiju`> tom_ : I mean the path is ok, but the problem remains ^^
[11:16] <OxDeadC0de> has anyone had any success with the cpu frequency scaling applet(s) in 10.04?
[11:16] <tom_> a possibility is putting the script into /etc/init.d - but that would execute the script during boot
[11:18] <Mamarok> draik: did you try restarting KDE after changing the Phonon settings?
[11:18] <Flutiju`> tom_:  Yep but it's a "graphic" script, I don't think it's a good idea to execute it during boot
[11:18] <draik> I just restarted the desktop
[11:19] <draik> Mamarok: I restarted the desktop and still the same. I changed the /etc/pulse/daemon.conf file for setting the channel to 6
[11:20] <vistakiller> anyone else have problems with screensaver?
[11:20] <vistakiller> is not working
[11:20] <Mamarok> draik: I don't know Pulseaudio, did you try with the default Phonon settings, choosing your soundcard directly?
[11:20] <draik> Mamarok: How do I do that?
[11:23] <Mamarok> draik: well, in the Systemsettings -> Multimedia you select your sound card. You might have to remove the $HOME/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc and restart KDE to make it work
[11:26] <draik> FIXED \o/
[11:26] <draik> Mamarok: I set it to Pulseaudio and it is working now.
[11:26] <draik> THANK YOU
[11:27] <Mamarok> ah, that's the problem :)
[11:27] <draik> Also, I now have Lynx running on my laptop.
[11:30] <draik> On my netbook, I installed the 9.10 desktop. How do I get the netbook after the upgrade?
[11:30] <pradeepto> hi
[11:31] <Mamarok> draik: install the kubuntu-netbook packages, then change the default plasma desktop in the Systemsettings and restart KDE
[11:31] <pradeepto> I just installed 10.04 on my laptop. I don't seem to find a way to change screen resolution. I had this new app krandrtray, it is not there anymore. Didn't find it in repos as well. Any pointers?
[11:33] <pradeepto> ah found it. System Settings. :)
[11:36] <draik> Mamarok: Thanks. I'll do that when prompted. Thanks again for the audio.
[11:37] <vistakiller> any idea with screensaver?
[11:39] <vistakiller> and i still have the too much cpu usage with xorg
[11:43] <Benkinooby> !upgrade
[11:44] <yofel> vistakiller: what screensaver? works fine here
[11:44] <Benkinooby> hmm... update notifiere says ther is no upgrade to do... is kubuntu 10.04 out?
[11:44] <vistakiller> anything is just not working
[11:45] <yofel> vistakiller: even if you press on test? or it doesn't auto-start?
[11:45] <vistakiller> on test is working fine
[11:45] <vistakiller> when is time for screensaver i have only a black window
[11:46] <_NoName_> cool
[11:46] <_NoName_> 10.04ù
[11:46] <yofel> the default screensaver is a black window, but if I set a different one it does start it (with a second or two delay maybe)
[11:46] <_NoName_> appears to work fine :D
[11:47] <vistakiller> let try some
[11:47] <vistakiller> what package have more screensaver yofel you remember?
[11:48] <_NoName_> 9800GT now is working really fine :)
[11:48] <FabienD> hi all
[11:48] <_NoName_> hi FabienD
[11:48]  * _NoName_ just finished puttin toghether all my HW pieces :)
[11:48] <FabienD> i have the "can' start ksmserver issue" with 10.04 :(
[11:49] <_NoName_> :(
[11:49] <FabienD> ,any way to solve it ?
[11:50] <_NoName_> aww...it loads correcly all by itself all my USB HW :)
[11:50] <yofel> vistakiller: well, there is the kscreensaver package and the xscreensaver-* packages
[11:50] <tom_> _NoName are you using nvidias proprietary driver?
[11:50] <vistakiller> thanks for one more time yofel :)
[11:50] <_NoName_> no, i'm by live now,
[11:50] <_NoName_> and i'll start to fix them
[11:51] <_NoName_> this live appears to be the mooooot ppprfec i've seen, anyway :
[11:51] <_NoName_> :O
[11:51] <_NoName_> but then i'll use them
[11:51] <tom_> _NoName_ the nividia driver maybe produces an ugly plymouth boot splash :/
[11:51] <_NoName_> and let you know how it works tom_
[11:51] <_NoName_> oh :(
[11:51] <tom_> it doesnt affect the functionality
[11:52] <_NoName_> so i should have to try them now? :P
[11:52] <_NoName_> now i begin to fix the distribution :O
[11:53] <tom_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290
[11:53] <tom_> its not a severe bug
[11:53] <yofel> well, the splash should look ok in a few days after installing updates
[11:53] <yofel> a bit better at least
[11:53] <tom_> yeah
[11:55] <LjL> not that the splash screen matters much to existing users, but i don't know how you can release something with such a broken splashscreen if you're looking to aquiring new users
[11:55] <LjL> oh wait, thought this was another channel, forget the trolling.
[11:55] <tom_> :)
[11:56] <_NoName_> tom_: they'll fix that soon i think :)))))))))
[11:56] <_NoName_> :O
[11:56] <_NoName_> LjL: that were politics :O
[11:56] <_NoName_> :P
[11:57] <yofel> _NoName_: the "fix" is being tested and is available in -proposed, will take a few days for it to be in -updates
[11:58] <FabienD> I use an nvidia card,is that why ksmserver don't start ?
[11:58] <tankdriver> hello, i have no sound with non-kde applications on a fresh Lucid installation. Could this be a pulsaudio issue?
[11:58] <_NoName_> yofel: ok :O
[11:58] <_NoName_> anyway i always use to check once a week :P
[11:58] <avihay> How can I see the upgrade log, after the upgrade?
[11:59] <_NoName_> you downgrade and read everything avihay:O
[11:59] <_NoName_> :P
[11:59]  * _NoName_ loves to make ppl laugh :O
[12:00] <avihay> :->
[12:00] <yofel> avihay: the upgrade logs should be in /var/log/dist-upgrade (if kubuntu doesn't do something different from ubuntu there)
[12:00] <avihay> yofel: thanks
[12:02] <_NoName_> :O
[12:02]  * _NoName_ is hungry
[12:02] <yofel> !ontopic | _NoName_
[12:03] <_NoName_> fine, thanks yofel
[12:07] <calumayoo> i am frustrated.. every time i install lucid, i always get a blank screen after... and nothing at all. now im back to karmic
[12:09] <ljl> uhm, what was the trick to allow setting the Menu key as a shortcut for things?
[12:09] <calumayoo> !shortcut
[12:10] <ljl> i know *where* shortcuts are set, it's just that the Menu key specifically can't be used as a shortcut by default
[12:13] <FabienD> the failsafe session ... is also failing ! :(
[12:14] <rich> why does updating with kpackagekit always fail, at downloading software packages?
[12:16] <_NoName_> did any of you try new iPhone support? is there a channel/forum about that? i've read that now support for iPhone ia fully integrated in OS
[12:17] <wrr_> Network management is disabled,how to restart it
[12:20] <rich> why does updating to 10.04 always fail at downloading software packages?
[12:21] <wrr_> rich:your sources are not goog enough
[12:21] <Daugha|n> Does 10.04 have issues with KDE 3.5?
[12:22] <rich> what does that mean?
[12:22] <Daugha|n> rich: Reload your sources list.
[12:22] <wrr_> rich:change your sources
[12:22] <rich> kk
[12:22] <wrr_> Network management is disabled,how to restart it
[12:24] <rich> alt+f2 and type KnetworkManager
[12:24] <rich> this should bring up the networkmanager
[12:24] <wrr_> i had tried,but failed
[12:24] <rich> why?
[12:25] <wrr_> i don't know
[12:25] <rich> hm is it still installed?
[12:25] <rich> KNetworkManager
[12:25] <wrr_> installed
[12:26] <wrr_> http://hi.baidu.com/%E7%8E%8B%E8%93%89%E4%B8%8A%E9%82%A3%E9%A2%97/blog/item/23a35d00c331b68be850cd0f.html
[12:26] <wrr_> look at this
[12:27] <rich> yeü
[12:27] <rich> yep
[12:27] <wrr_> http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/150432994.html
[12:28] <rich> what about right clicking the "network plug" icon?
[12:29] <rich> this should also bringup knetworkmanager
[12:29] <rich> i mean right clicking network plug and selecting Manage connections
[12:29] <wrr_> right click is not useful
[12:30] <wrr_> i tried
[12:32] <mischasworld> @wrr_: had the same problem solved it by installing the plasmadiget and selecting "network management active" or somethin similar
[12:32] <wrr_> i'll try
[12:33] <Daugha|n> DO I need to add a repo for KDE 4.4?
[12:34] <Pingu> hey
[12:35] <Daugha|n> Sup, Pingu
[12:36] <Pingu> some audio playback prob aith the kubuntu lucid netbook
[12:36] <Pingu> on an Asus 1000HE
[12:42] <Mahara> Pingu: Please express your problem clearly so that anyone able and willing will know what information to ask from you.
[12:43] <Mahara> Pingu: You hear the start up sound when KDE is starting?
[12:48] <vistakiller> ok i see that when i put screensaver to one-two-three minutes it works
[12:48] <vistakiller> when i set it to 10 minutes i have a black screen and no screensaver
[12:49] <pepee> hi
[12:49] <pepee> I'm gonna copy/paste from another channel....
[12:49] <arul> how to login as root user in kubuntu ?
[12:49] <calumayoo> do not
[12:50] <bazhang> arul, you don't
[12:50] <Daugha|n> WHats virtuoso-t, and why do I have 2 nepomukserv process'??
[12:50] <calumayoo> !sudo
[12:50] <arul> why ?
[12:51] <m_tadeu> hi everybody
[12:51] <Mahara> arul: from the command line?
[12:51] <calumayoo> hey, is anyone here using moovida or has tried using it? what can you say?
[12:51] <m_tadeu> is there a directory synchronization tool for kde?
[12:52] <arul> ok
[12:52] <Mahara> calumayoo: great app for the people who like entertainment
[12:53] <calumayoo> thanks mahara.. just read a starter's guide for post installations in ubuntu... might as well apply to kubuntu. do i use the apt line to store it in my repository?
[12:53] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: please read up about Nepomuk on http://userbase.kde.org
[12:53] <f4te> hi there guys :) please excuse my english.. at an installation of kubuntu 10.04 would you prefer the "old" ext4 or one of the new formats?
[12:54] <Mamarok> f4te: what new formats do you mean?
[12:54] <Daugha|n> Mamarok: Thanks.
[12:54] <Daugha|n> ANd, do I need to add a repo to upgrade to KDE 4.4?
[12:54] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: if you are using Lucid you already have KDE SC 4.4.2
[12:55] <Daugha|n> Not according to my syste I'm not.
[12:55] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: which Kubuntu version do you use then?
[12:55] <Daugha|n> Says I am still running 3.5.10
[12:55] <Mahara> calumayoo: According to their download page it's already in repositories ( Moovida is packaged with the latest version of Ubuntu. )
[12:55] <vistakiller> it works and to five minutes
[12:55] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: where does it say that? If you look a the help info of a KDE 3.x app it will of course say that
[12:56] <Pingu> How do I make my Fn keys work with the Kubuntu netbook remix?
[12:56] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: which Kubuntu version are you usign? You don't have Nepomuk in KDE 3.x at all
[12:56] <calumayoo> so, what do you do with the apt line?
[12:56] <Daugha|n> I have my sysmon set up to query which KDE ver is running...
[12:56] <calumayoo> actually Mahara, i havent updted to lucid lynx
[12:56] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: open Dolphin and check the Help -> About KDE info please
[12:56] <Mahara> calumayoo: What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[12:56] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: if you have Nepomuk you are definitely using KDE 4.x
[12:56] <calumayoo> and i have no plans now after several frustrated attempts... 9.10
[12:58] <Mahara> calumayoo: should be there too; try searching for it in Synaptic
[12:58] <Daugha|n> Mamarok: Ok......You're right, 4.4.2.....Trying to figure out what is going on. Since I upgraded to 10.04 yesterday, my desktop has been crashing regularly, as well as spking system load for extended periods of time.
[12:58] <Mahara> calumayoo: otherwise you can add this line : ppa:moovida-packagers/ppa following the procedures from https://launchpad.net/+help/soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html
[12:58] <calumayoo> thanks
[12:59] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: if you don't use tags for searching data on your system, you should disable Nepomuk, then, as it is only useful for the Semantic Desktop and on systems with enough power
[12:59] <SandGorgon> Daugha|n, spikes would most prolly be due to strigi (desktop indexing), nepomuk or akonadi. you can try turning these off and see if it makes a difference
[12:59] <f4te> Mamarok: Ceph and LogFS
[13:00] <Mamarok> SandGorgon: not Akonadi, very unlikely on Lucid, it works fine here
[13:00] <SandGorgon> Mamarok, true.. but you never know. I actually would bet it has something to do with graphics drivers
[13:01] <Mamarok> f4te: Ceph is only for cluster, LogFS I don't know, go for ext4 if you have a regular Desktop or laptop
[13:01] <f4te> okay, thank you Mamarok  :)
[13:01] <Daugha|n> Yeah, it is nepomuk, all right, 2 instances of it for some reason....Where do I look to turn it off?
[13:01]  * f4te is now installing :)
[13:01] <SandGorgon> Mamarok, f4te logfs is for SSD IMHO
[13:01] <Mamarok> SandGorgon: no, just Nepomuk and strigi, disabling Nepomuk is most of the time the best solution, especially on small systems with little RAM
[13:02] <Daugha|n> Ya, the desktop is only a P4 w/2G.
[13:02] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: SystemSettings -Advanced tab -> Desktop search
[13:02] <Daugha|n> Mamarok: Thanks, once again. =[)
[13:02] <SandGorgon> Mamarok, that's true.. I got my RAM usage to less than 300mb by disabling nepomuk/strigi and (also) disabling akonadi. dont know which one helps though
[13:02] <Mamarok> SandGorgon: Akonadi is necessary for KDE-PIM, don't disable it
[13:03] <Mamarok> the culprit is clearly Nepomuk and Strigi
[13:03] <SandGorgon> Mamarok, dont use it..
[13:03] <Daugha|n> Whats virtuoso-t?
[13:03] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: you are welcome :)
[13:03] <Mamarok> Daugha|n: it's the backend for Nepomuk, to be able to read semantic data, read about on the userbase websites I inidicated earlier
[13:06] <Daugha|n> Mamarok: Getting there, now that I have nepomuk turned off.
[13:18] <Tonik69> Хай.
[13:19] <calumayoo> what is better than miro?
[13:19] <Mamarok> !ru | Tonik69
[13:19] <Mamarok> calumayoo: Amarok, of course :)
[13:19] <calumayoo> it can do things miro can?
[13:20] <calumayoo> i thought it was just an audio player
[13:20] <calumayoo> correct me if im wrong
[13:21] <harjot> uys ive just upgraded to 10.04, and after the upgrade, after i login, it shows the desktop wallpaper, nothjhing else
[13:21] <harjot> any ideas?
[13:22] <oxymoron> Why isnt it possible to use OpenGL for desktop effects with composite enabled if not nvidia-current is installed as proprietary driver? :S (XRender works though) - SHouldnt nouveau be able to handle nvidia cards? :P
[13:22] <harjot> What is the kicker equivelent for kde4?
[13:22] <kroson> hi people how is your new kubuntu lucid experience?
[13:22] <pepee> harjot, plasma-desktop?
[13:23] <harjot> let me see if that works
[13:23] <ToxinPowe> Hi people, only one stupid question with kde 4.4, how can I disable bluetooth and printer applets of every single boot?  I tried autostart on systemsettings, but not works
[13:25] <_noname_> i've seen the nvidia splash screen bug
[13:26] <_noname_> the most important thing is that doesen't look as system is not working
[13:27] <kroson> _noname_: are you talking about plymouth bug?
[13:27] <kroson> screen resolution?
[13:27] <SandGorgon> ToxinPowe, dunno if it will work, but u can try installing and using BUM - boot up manager
[13:27] <f4te> hi there, i've got a problem with installing kubuntu 10.04 - the menu of the cd is loading quickly, but when I choose, install or try, my cd works for about a minute, but the screen keeps black. and then nothing more happens.. :(
[13:27] <harjot> Anyone know what the default window thing is for 10.04? (plasma-desktop?)
[13:28] <ToxinPowe> SandGorgon: ok, I'll try, thx
[13:28] <harjot> because i had to install plasma manually
[13:28] <_noname_> nvidia proprietari drivers bug
[13:28] <_noname_> when splash screen seems to appear it looks as it should be 640x480
[13:28] <kroson> _noname_: if you are talking about the scren resolution on splash bug
[13:29] <kroson> i think that the fix is in lucid-proposed for testing
[13:29] <_noname_> my screen is 1920x1200 :X
[13:29] <kroson> so soon maybe well have a fix for it
[13:30] <_noname_> yes yofel told me that before
[13:30] <_noname_> but it's not a so bad thing as i thougt about :)
[13:30] <kroson> yeah
[13:30] <kroson> the boot is so fast that we dont notice it
[13:30] <kroson> lol
[13:31]  * yofel wouldn't even see the splash if there wasn't a message about waiting for a NFS mount ^^
[13:32] <rama> hi
[13:32] <_noname_> kroson: but the boot is fast and cool, so if it works will not be a bad thing
[13:32] <_noname_> hi rama
[13:32] <kroson> i think the splash is very good, if we have a decent resolution
[13:32] <kroson> like this, its not bad, but its ugly :P
[13:33] <_noname_> quassel quick preview on links is makin' me ugly
[13:33] <rama> Hi _noname. I m very new to Linux and came here (by accident)
[13:33] <_noname_> i already opened 5 urls i didn't want to :|
[13:33] <oxymoron> Why isnt it possible to use OpenGL for desktop effects with composite enabled if not nvidia-current is installed as proprietary driver? :S (XRender works though) - SHouldnt nouveau be able to handle nvidia cards? :P
[13:33] <oxymoron> yofel: ? :P
[13:33] <_noname_> rama: sure you'll love that
[13:34]  * oxymoron loves that ntfs-config automaticly detect NTFS partitions and then configure write support and automaticly add them to /etc/fstab <3
[13:34] <yofel> oxymoron: nouveau 3D is disabled in lucid as it's still experimental, there was some X nouveau ppa with working 3d support I think
[13:34] <rama> I guess so. Looks like this is Tech discussion blog then
[13:34] <_noname_> rama: if you have issues...
[13:34] <kroson> yofel: yes there is, add the xorg-edgers ppa for lucid
[13:35] <_noname_> someone here maybe can help you
[13:35] <rama> Thats really great.
[13:36] <yofel> ah yes, nouveau is now in xorg-edgers main ppa
[13:36] <oxymoron> yofel: Really :P Do you know when it goes none-experimental and is being released? Because I hate this, I dont want to use nvidia-current because it sucks ass.
[13:36] <kroson> oxymoron: no one knows
[13:37] <oxymoron> kroson: xorg-edgers ppa uri please? :$
[13:37] <kroson> i think
[13:37] <kroson> but you can test it if you want
[13:37] <kroson> oxymoron: i havent read your posts, but why do you say nvidia driver sucks?
[13:37] <yofel> oxymoron: use with caution: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:37] <rama> gotta go. See you noname.
[13:38] <kroson> for maverick it shall be ready
[13:38] <calumayoo> !nvidia
[13:38] <_noname_> does anyone still use matrox cards?
[13:38] <oxymoron> kroson: Because first of all, plymouth doesnt work with "smooth" resolution when using nvidia proprietary, I got like 640x480 resolution with like 1 bit color depth xD Then it is unstable and I got ghost effect all the time when opening new windows and it doesnt depends on my monitor because its a really good monitor type IPS or what it calls and is new.
[13:38] <_noname_> didn't hear about them since years
[13:39] <oxymoron> yofel: Define use with caution? :P
[13:39] <kroson> oxymoron: its experimental version, unstable
[13:39] <n8w> hey
[13:39] <kroson> not stable like the one you are using now
[13:39] <yofel> oxymoron: you should pin any packages from there that you don't exactly need, those are bleeding edge upstream packages, not tested at all
[13:39] <francisjjp> Hi. One question. ¿Does WirelessAssistant exist in package DEB way?
[13:39] <n8w> anyone who has upgraded kubuntu from 9.10 to 10.4?
[13:39] <kroson> in other words, it will be updated regularly, so in some update it may (or may not) break your system
[13:40] <oxymoron> yofel: "Nouveau in this PPA requires a 2.6.34 (or higher) based kernel and lbm-nouveau has been deprecated"
[13:40] <kroson> so use with caution
[13:40] <calumayoo> i tried but now im back to 9.10
[13:40] <n8w> i just wanna know whether there might b a problem related to grub loader
[13:40] <yofel> oxymoron: you'll have to use a mainline kernel build then too if you want to try it
[13:40] <_noname_> did that this morning n8w, but just as a test, then i re-installed from the beginning
[13:40] <kroson> calumayoo: btw, why? xD
[13:40] <n8w> calumayoo:  was that for me?
[13:40] <francisjjp> I have problem with KNetworkManager to connect with wireless net
[13:40] <kroson> oxymoron: need to upgrade to 2.6.34-rc6 kernel too
[13:40] <yofel> oxymoron: note that 2.6.34 isn't relased yet (rc6 as kroson said)
[13:41] <kroson> that is in the kernel ppa
[13:41] <calumayoo> i dont exactly know what the problem was. but all i get is a blank screen..nada
[13:41] <n8w> _noname_:  ye thats proly the best idea...but i cant afford a complate reinstall rite now....
[13:41] <calumayoo> i dont know n8w it works with others
[13:41] <kroson> calumayoo: weird, is your hardware relatively old?
[13:41] <_noname_> n8w: anyway i didn't have problems to upgrade and restart
[13:41] <calumayoo> i have latitude d505...yes. relatively old
[13:42] <_noname_> but then i've destroyed everything
[13:42] <kroson> oxymoron: if you want to test it, keep in mind that it can be dangerous and break your OS (or not, as i said, thats the purpose of testing)
[13:42] <n8w> _noname_:  all im worried about is my db2 server installation
[13:42] <oxymoron> kroson, yofel: Oh my, I dont think I dare to try it out because unstable kernel versions and fresh graphic drivers doesnt sound especially stable :D
[13:42] <n8w> _noname_:  but i rly wanna try it out:)
[13:42] <kroson> a fix for nvidia driver on plymouth may be coming soon, so maybe you should wait till it
[13:42] <_noname_> so good luck n8w :O
[13:42] <oxymoron> kroson, yofel: Maybe in VM environment though xD
[13:43] <_noname_> i had problems wit previous upgrade tools, this one seemed much b etter to me, so i hope it has no bugs :|
[13:43] <oxymoron> kroson: I would like to see a fix for nouveau and not for nvidia, because nouveau is far way better and nvidia dirvers is corrupt from the beginning.
[13:43] <yofel> well, it's not a fix but making the splash look better on 640x480x4, but that's about the best we're going to get for lucid
[13:43] <kroson> oxymoron: for the kernel, many people say it works well, as for the nouveau, i read about bugs with compiz
[13:43] <kroson> dont know how it is now
[13:44] <kroson> (talking about the fresh versions)
[13:44] <oxymoron> yofel: That sucks, I want 32 bit and 1280x1024 at LEAST
[13:44] <Papierkorb> hi guys
[13:45] <oxymoron> kroson: Kernel versions usually are quie stable but graphic drivers seems unstable as far as I have understand it.
[13:45] <kroson> oxymoron: dont think nouveau is better, the advantages are that it is 100% open-source and integrates well with the rest of the kernel
[13:45] <yofel> oxymoron: then  set your framebuffer res by hand, only way. google should find a bunch of howtos
[13:45] <kroson> yofel: yesterday i tried one that broke my system :S, so i had to reinstall
[13:45] <Papierkorb> whats his problem? my nvidia graphiccard runs fine with nvidias driver
[13:45] <oxymoron> kroson: Isnt that much better then? :P And if I have understand it correctly, nouveau is coded from scratch and use the nvidia card correctly and nvidia drivers dont :P
[13:46] <kroson> Papierkorb: plymouth splash (boot and shut down)
[13:46] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Its not that, it some minor eyecandy problems with plymouth and ghost effects :P
[13:46] <Papierkorb> so the splash looks ugly?
[13:46] <calumayoo> anyone uses vuze here? i have problem using the search tool
[13:46] <kroson> oxymoron: that doesnt make it better, it depends on what is the use you want for it
[13:46] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Yes, low resolution and color depth
[13:46] <calumayoo> do i have to install something to make it work?
[13:46] <Papierkorb> thats my problem too, but i don't care, every thing else runs fine :-p
[13:47] <oxymoron> kroson: The only thing I want is it to work smooth, flawless and stable.
[13:47] <kroson> Papierkorb: same here
[13:47] <n8w> hmm after readin all this, i should mayb w8 with the upgrade...
[13:47] <kroson> oxymoron: nothing can be done then
[13:47] <yofel> kroson: works fine here, might be a bug in the framebuffer, I saw reports where the driver refused to load with an out of memory message
[13:47] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: It annoys me a lot because without nvidia-current loaded I got nice plymouth resolution <3
[13:47] <kroson> i think that going with those howtos can be as dangerous as trying the unstable nouveau
[13:47] <calumayoo> me too n8w...
[13:47] <Papierkorb> i wkae up, start my computer, shutdown computer and go to bed. 20secs of an ugly screen in a day ;)
[13:47] <Papierkorb> oxymoron: noticed that too
[13:47] <oxymoron> yofel: Framebuffer?
[13:47] <Papierkorb> the splash looks even better on my netbook >3
[13:47] <Papierkorb> <3
[13:48] <kroson> oxymoron: yes with nouveau it was beautiful and faster booting
[13:48] <Papierkorb> lucid is awesome, finally wlan works on my netbook :)
[13:48] <yofel> oxymoron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer (ubuntu uses vga16fb for proprietary nvidia driver splash)
[13:48] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: I hate that ghost effect and I was thought 10.04 stable would have been solved that until now because this problems started happen in early alpha releases.
[13:49] <oxymoron> kroson: Yes, thats why I use it now and then use XRender instead of OpenGL, then it works with composite and desktop effects :P
[13:49] <calumayoo> !vuze
[13:49] <kroson> sure
[13:49] <calumayoo> !azureus
[13:49] <Papierkorb> or use ktorrent ;)
[13:49] <kroson> try that solution from yofel , it may work for you
[13:49] <kroson> there are people who were able to change the splash back to normal
[13:50] <oxymoron> yofel: What frame buffer to use for full resolution on my 24" monitor then? :P
[13:50] <kroson> Papierkorb: do you use the new netbook edition from kubuntu?
[13:50] <Miller> yeo
[13:50] <Papierkorb> urgh, i hate this netbook remix thing
[13:50] <Papierkorb> normal kde
[13:51] <kroson> Papierkorb: is it slow or fast?
[13:51] <Papierkorb> its a computer and not a mobile phone :-p
[13:51] <oxymoron> yofel: Wait a minute, ubuntu uses vga16fb. You mean ubuntu have nice splash and kubuntu doesnt? :D
[13:51] <kroson> mainly compared to windows
[13:51] <Papierkorb> extremely fast
[13:51] <yofel> oxymoron: find out what video mode your graphics card supports with 'vbeinfo' from the grub command line, write the one you like best down, boot, set GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX in /etc/default/grub to that resolution, update-grub, reboot
[13:51] <kroson> oxymoron: afaik, they have the same
[13:51] <Papierkorb> ~50 secs boot up (bios -> kde is started)
[13:51] <Papierkorb> around 40 to 50 seconds, so i'm happy
[13:52] <yofel> oxymoron: no, vga16fb is set to 640x480 by default as that's the only mode that ALL graphics  card in the world support
[13:52] <Papierkorb> and on my home computer it almost starts twice as fast as karmic did
[13:52] <kroson> Papierkorb: for a netbook its very good
[13:52] <oxymoron> yofel: I did that before but then it ****** up completly and GPU fan went crazy on boot and shutdown xD
[13:52] <_noname_> cu soon
[13:52] <yofel> oxymoron: and yes, ubuntu has a low res splash on nvidia too
[13:52]  * _noname_ goes to xchat
[13:52] <_noname_> cul8r
[13:52] <_noname_> and thank u
[13:52] <Pingu> can't figure out what I did - but I now don't have windows border - can close an app only by pressing AL-F4
[13:53] <kroson> Papierkorb: i also dont like the netbook remixes
[13:53] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright, well that I know since I start using *buntu that grub always use that default buffer if nothing else works :P
[13:53] <kroson> but what concerns me is if i will have enough space to use the normal editions, in such a low resolution!
[13:53] <Papierkorb> its enough, not much but its ok
[13:53] <Papierkorb> you can change it later somewhere if you like
[13:54] <kroson> Papierkorb: because fonts in linux tend to be a bit bigger than in windows
[13:54] <Papierkorb> but don't ask me where exactly that option is ;)
[13:55]  * oxymoron wonders when he can use his Droid smartphone to control his computer as a remot control or even access files from it and use on his phone :D
[13:55] <Papierkorb> the only problem is, that some windows are too big. but it was worse on karmic ;)
[13:55] <kroson> Papierkorb: im asking because i have a netbook with windows which is becoming very very slow booting with time (as usual...)
[13:55] <oxymoron> WOuld be cool backup phone to his computer :D
[13:55] <kroson> so i was thinking about changing it for k/ubuntu
[13:55] <yofel> kroson: I use desktop KDE on my eeePC fine, panel space is very precious though ^^
[13:55] <Papierkorb> kroson: do you have an usb stick somewhere with >1GB space?
[13:55] <kroson> Papierkorb: sure
[13:56] <kroson> is there any disadvantage of installing k/ubuntu with a usb stick instead of a CD?
[13:56] <kroson> i know it is much faster
[13:56] <kroson> but disadvantages, are there some or not?
[13:56] <Papierkorb> kroson: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ windows software
[13:56] <yofel> no
[13:56] <yofel> !usb
[13:56] <kroson> thanks yofel xD
[13:56] <Papierkorb> it downloads (k)ubuntu and writes it onto a usb stick. its slow, but it works ;)
[13:57] <kroson> Papierkorb: i know i can use unetbootin if nothing else works
[13:57]  * oxymoron thinks HTC wait ONCE AGAIN for Android 2.2 instead of 2.0, 2.1 and so on as they did before with HTC Hero xD So now the ROM will be released in juny or something like that instead of autumn last year as they said from the beginning :D Soon iPhone OS will be upgraded and a new iPhone will be released and HTC will go behind if they not hurry up a little :D
[13:57] <Pingu> anyone?
[13:57] <Papierkorb> never used some net boot thing
[13:58] <oxymoron> Oops wrong channel :P
[13:58] <Eruaran> ...
[13:58] <yofel> Pingu: can you open krunner with alt+f2 ?
[13:58] <Papierkorb> Pingu: press Alt+F3
[13:59] <Papierkorb> then you get the kde menu where you can enable window borders ;)
[13:59] <n8w> omg how do i quite vi editor when it says :Type  :quit<Enter>  to exit Vim
[13:59] <yofel> n8w: press ':q' ?
[14:00] <Pingu> Papierkorb: I did, but I cannot remove the tick mark by "no border"
[14:00] <kroson> Papierkorb: it works with many distros that have livecds
[14:00] <n8w> yofel:  nope...when i do that,it says: recording
[14:00] <Papierkorb> Pingu: thats strange, maybe you should restart or restart kde
[14:00] <yofel> n8w: you pressed 'q' not ':' and then 'q' '<enter>'
[14:01] <Papierkorb> to restart KDE: Pres Ctrl+Alt+F1, login and then type: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[14:01] <Pingu> Papierkorb: no - even after restart and disabling the Desktop Effects
[14:01] <Papierkorb> btw: that will kill all running GUI programs
[14:02] <yofel> Papierkorb: note: that still works but is deprecated, use 'sudo service kdm restart' instead
[14:02] <n8w> yofel:  :) yep
[14:03] <vadi01> guys my youtube has no sound. i forgot the codec i need for this. pls help
[14:03] <yofel> n8w: vim takes a bit getting used to, but it's great :D
[14:03] <Papierkorb> you need to turn PCM volume up
[14:03] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, do you know if someone ever is going to fix that kubuntu.org website? :P Its invalid XHTML and is really ugly, especially compared to the new kde.org website :P I cant understand why it take so long, website is important to attract new users and feel comfortable when they download the distro from the website.
[14:03] <n8w> yofel:  lol well its proly the worst editor ive ever tried until now:))))
[14:03] <vadi01> Papierkorb: and where can i find that?
[14:04] <vadi01> Papierkorb: nvm
[14:04] <vadi01> Papierkorb: saw it
[14:04] <Pingu> it happens only when a window is maximized
[14:04] <n8w> yofel:  hehe man i still cant exit that crazy thing
[14:04] <yofel> n8w: it's not, but it *does* take a while to get used to it :P
[14:04] <yofel> n8w: press: '<ESC>' ':' 'q' '<ENTER>'
[14:04] <n8w> yofel:  E37: No write since last change (add ! to override)
[14:05]  * oxymoron prefer nano as simple text editor and Kdevelop4 IDE as for programming.
[14:05] <yofel> n8w: then use ':q!'
[14:05] <yofel> n8w: or use ':w' first to save changes
[14:05] <n8w> yofel:  i dont wanna save anythin...im editin grub...uuuuu
[14:05] <yofel> n8w: q! will discard any unsaved changes
[14:06] <yofel> oxymoron: +1, nano is nice for beginners
[14:06]  * Papierkorb likes nano aswell
[14:06] <oxymoron> yofel: Nano is nice for professionals as well :P
[14:07] <n8w> yofel:  uff nice:)) thx man
[14:07] <SilverCode> GVim for development ... the only way :)
[14:07] <yofel> depends, I'm much faster with vim than I'm with nano
[14:07] <oxymoron> nano just works and nothing complex anywhere, exactly as a editor should be. But Kate is quite nice I must say.
[14:07] <n8w> yofel:  i like nano a lot
[14:08] <oxymoron> yofel: I only use nano for simple edits in Konsole anyway
[14:08] <yofel> I only use nano if vim isn't installed :P
[14:09] <oxymoron> yofel: LOL :D
[14:09] <SilverCode> vim not installed? You mean it isn't part of the kernel :)
[14:09] <yofel> haha, fresh installations ususally :P
[14:09] <oxymoron> Btw does someone in here when Kdevelop4 is compiled and released today?
[14:10] <n8w> this is weird,/boot/grub/menu.lst is completely empty...
[14:10] <yofel> !grub2 | n8w
[14:10] <oxymoron> yofel: Thats also why nano is so good, its always available <3
[14:10] <n8w> yofel:  well ive got 1.97beta
[14:10] <oxymoron> Regarding grub2, does somebody know when gfxboot will be enabled again? :P
[14:11] <oxymoron> n8w: Thats grub2, but they havent reached 2.0 yet :D
[14:11] <yofel> n8w: then you have karmic grub, which doesn't use menu.lst, see the wiki page
[14:11] <Papierkorb> oxymoron: mh? i can enable it in the config file
[14:11] <n8w> oxymoron:  hmm it seems that nothin makes sense to me today:))))
[14:11]  * oxymoron thinks v2.0beta5 would be more logic instead of 1.97beta5 :P
[14:11] <Papierkorb> btw grub: where can i remove old kernels?
[14:12] <yofel> Papierkorb: package manager, remove the old linux-image* packages
[14:12] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Really, does it work then? And now I talk about dynamic and animated grub menus and not only a simple background image.
[14:12] <Papierkorb> ah
[14:12] <m_tadeu> I have filenames with invalid characters, but I'm unable to rename them with dolphin...how can I do it?
[14:12] <Papierkorb> no, animated things aren't possible, then you might try burg
[14:13] <Papierkorb> what is the current kernel version?
[14:13] <yofel> Papierkorb: what release are you using?
[14:13] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Latestt stable is 2.6.32
[14:13] <oxymoron> -21
[14:13] <oxymoron> *-21
[14:13] <Papierkorb> then i should not delete that package :D
[14:14] <Papierkorb> i have old kernels from karmic and i can't find these in the list -.-
[14:15] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Latest kernel is 2.6.34-rc6 though :P But that isnt "stable" yet :P
[14:17] <Hadess> guten tag
[14:17] <Hadess> wie genau funktioniert das jetzt hier?
[14:17] <yofel> !de | Hadess
[14:17] <Papierkorb> nice command :D
[14:17] <calumayoo> cant open facebook in my chromium browser...:(
[14:18] <Papierkorb> you can't? then i must try chromium, a browser without fb ... weee!
[14:18] <oxymoron> yofel: Is this "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" kubuntus backports?
[14:18] <avihay_> for the first time in years, I install/upgrade kubuntu, and KNetworkManager works! amazing!
[14:19] <oxymoron> avihay: lol :D
[14:19] <avihay> wait, why do I get excited from something that is a given on any other distro?
[14:20] <mrub> hello everybody! a couple of days ago my dragonplayer crashed and ever since i don't have the current time / movie play time below the video
[14:20] <avihay> mrub: why use dragonplayer?
[14:20] <Papierkorb> dragonlpayer ... thats what i wanted to remove
[14:20] <Papierkorb> use vlc or mplayer with smplayer instead
[14:21] <mrub> yeah, i also have smplayer
[14:21] <calumayoo> Papierkorb: but i can open other sites... do you think i lack some plug-ins?
[14:21] <Papierkorb> does fb work in other browsers?
[14:21] <avihay> the only reason that dragonplayer  got into kubuntu was because kaffein for kde4 didn't finish in time
[14:21]  * oxymoron wonders why *buntu have focused on Firefox integration when most GNU/Linux users perfer Chromium? :D
[14:21] <oxymoron> *prefer
[14:21] <Papierkorb> afaik fb does not use any plugins
[14:21]  * avihay goes to install kaffein back
[14:21]  * Papierkorb prefers Opera
[14:22] <mrub> avihay: so you mean i shouldn't care?
[14:22]  * avihay prefers the ol'e fox
[14:23] <calumayoo> im trying to install firefox now
[14:23] <avihay> yhe, dragonplayer uses the same backend as most players for KDE, and it's user interface is very minimalist with no options to do anything
[14:23] <oxymoron> avihay: Kaffeine doesnt work smooth yet and still doesnt look good on Oyxgen theme :P
[14:23]  * avihay tryes to run the new dragonplayer
[14:23] <oxymoron> avihay: Thats why dragonplayer is so fast <3 I would like support for external subtitles though by automat :P
[14:24] <rerx> hi, i'm currently updating from karmic to lucid. it's stuck at the "installing upgrades" phase, for more than 10 minutes it has not moved passed the "unpacking replacement memtest86..." line. what should i do?
[14:24] <oxymoron> rerx: Oh my, I would recommend NOT to upgrade from karmic to lucid, do fresh install if you can ;)
[14:24] <avihay> ok, now you can select the audio channle to play
[14:24] <Papierkorb> rerx: tbh, i tried to use the upgrade feature and it failed ... reinstalled from cd ;)
[14:25] <oxymoron> rerx: You could try alternate CD though, mount it and run upgrade file whatever the name is :P
[14:25] <Papierkorb> the upgrade feature reminds me of m$: works at first, then you get an error at the end of the process and everything fails :/
[14:25] <mrub> but sometimes dragonplayer has some advantages over smplaver - i.e. it never rejected any video file
[14:25] <rerx> mm, it's just stuck, no error, it just does not move on. i hat this
[14:26] <rerx> i'd much rather *not* have to reinstall everything (too many packages beyond the default install I'd have to recollect)
[14:26] <avihay> oh, and I can also select subtitels
[14:27] <Papierkorb> in the end, you are wasting more time upgrading than reinstalling every thing afterwards ;)
[14:27] <calumayoo> oh. fb opens with firefox
[14:27] <calumayoo> whats wrong with chromium?
[14:27] <Papierkorb> maybe google doesn't like fb :D
[14:27] <mrub> http://littlecuba.de/dragonplayer.png look the additional bar below the movie image is missing. i want it back ;)
[14:28] <calumayoo> lol
[14:30] <oxymoron> avihay: Really? Can you select external subtitles in Dragonplayer?
[14:30] <mrub> oxymoron: no
[14:30] <mrub> you can choose an embedded subtitle or any from a dvd
[14:31] <Papierkorb> can dragonplayer play video dvd isos?
[14:32] <mrub> hm never tried
[14:32] <oxymoron> Sweet 50 MB/s copy transfer now with ext4 and x64 Kubuntu :O
[14:32] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: No I dont think so, but VLCcan ;)
[14:32] <Papierkorb> i know
[14:32] <oxymoron> mrub: Alright ...
[14:33] <Papierkorb> just bought avatar on dvd, copied it with k3b to hdd as iso image ... just in case i don't see the dvd anymore :-p
[14:33] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: It cant play .img anyway, tried :P
[14:34] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Hahahaha, you loose youre DVDs at home? :P
[14:35] <Papierkorb> sometimes my brother wants to watch some of my dvds ... 6 months later i get the dvd back ;)
[14:35] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Cool I managed to play ISO file in Dragonplayer :D
[14:36] <Papierkorb> i'm surpries mpla.yer can't play iso images
[14:36] <Papierkorb> *surprised
[14:37] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: I usually watch on ISO, IMG files on my mediastreamer anyway :P
[14:39] <zus> how can i remove or purge  kubuntu-restricted so i can reinstall? i  can't get avi's to play in anny player. theaudio works great but there is nothing with in the frame of dragon player i see my desktop instead of a movie
[14:40] <mrub> zus: sudo apt-get reinstall kubuntu-restricted
[14:41] <Barridus> lol, i just saw "virtuousbackend" fly by in the stream of gunk doing an apt-get upgrade in terminal
[14:41] <oxymoron> mrub: Is there a reinstall command for apt-get? :S
[14:41] <Papierkorb> there is?
[14:41] <mrub> there isn't? ;)
[14:41] <zus> ill find out
[14:41] <oxymoron> mrub: Isnt it --reinstall as option?
[14:42] <zus> haha
[14:42] <Hadess> also ich habs jetzt gerade ma dabei installiert
[14:42] <Papierkorb> and i ever removed and installed it again -.-
[14:42] <Hadess> aber es hat sich wieder nix geändert
[14:42] <Papierkorb> !de | Hadess
[14:42] <mrub> oh, ya, you're right
[14:43]  * oxymoron thinks 4 august will be the day KDE will go nice :P
[14:43] <Papierkorb> oxymoron: mh?
[14:43] <Papierkorb> new version of KDE?
[14:43] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Thats the day v4.5 of KDE is released :P
[14:43] <zus> so it would be sudo apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-restricted  correct?
[14:43] <Papierkorb> will be...
[14:43] <UbuntuLily> Hi>  I am downloading the new Ubuntu and was wondering if there were any major improvements in Kubuntu because I thought I would give KDE a run
[14:44] <UbuntuLily> or is a majority of the changes only effected ubuntu/gnome
[14:44] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Next time I will wait for KDE 5.5 and not install 5.1-4 as I did now for 4-series  :P
[14:44] <Papierkorb> kpackagekit and dolphin are better, everything runs faster, ...
[14:44] <oxymoron> zus: Yes ;) Try it out
[14:45] <Papierkorb> oxymoron: i will try any new version - KDE <3
[14:45] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: Yeah, KPackagekit finally works as it should and GUI is quite polished now :P
[14:45] <zus> oxymoron,  i am now only getting used to terminal stuffs
[14:45] <Papierkorb> and it doesn't crash when you add/remove repository servers :D
[14:45] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: I still miss that up one folder button in DOlphin though, I MUST HAVE it.
[14:45] <oxymoron> Papierkorb: apt-add-repository is your friend ;)
[14:46] <Papierkorb> i don't, i came from win7 so :-p
[14:46] <amichair> how can I configure the buttons on an infrared remote? currently only pointer works, no other buttons
[14:46] <mrub> oxymoron: just click one the folder in the file path. i think this is a great way to navigate through the system
[14:46] <oxymoron> zus: Yeah thats good, CLI environment is usualy more trustable than GUI and its good to know some commands if system ******* up :P
[14:46] <Papierkorb> mrub: indeed
[14:46] <Papierkorb> for that case i have irssi and lynx installed :D
[14:46] <zus> oxymoron,  that didnt bring me any results
[14:47] <UbuntuLily> I have read 100 articles about it but figured I could get some peoples opinions here.  What would you say you like about KDE compared to Gnome?
[14:47] <oxymoron> mrub: Yes, but still need and want up one folder button :P
[14:47] <zus> oxymoron,  invalid operation kubuntu-restricted
[14:47] <rerx> i killed the update-gui now, trying dpkg --configure -a from the shell. let's see
[14:47] <zus> oxymoron, ill get it one sec lol
[14:47] <oxymoron> zus: Hmm wait a sec and I check out the correct command
[14:47] <Papierkorb> i just don't like gnome because it reminds me of win98
[14:47] <zus> oxymoron, checking my spelling
[14:47] <rerx> i'd hate to be stuck with a non-working os
[14:47] <Papierkorb> just try KDE4.4, you can use gnome and kde both ;)
[14:47] <oxymoron> zus: dpkg-reconfigure could work, but apt-get its easier.
[14:48] <Newboy> is it possible to add to grub2 an entry to just boot to console?
[14:48] <Newboy> seems my old code for grub legacy isn`t working anymore
[14:49] <mrub> oxymoron: why the button? you have to move the mouse anyway so then you also could click on the on folder above.
[14:50] <oxymoron> mrub: It take longer time to move to a tiny breadcrumb are when you could click on a LARGE icon just to get up one folder. But if you want to go deeper up, breadcrumbs is sweet for navigation though ;)
[14:51] <zus> oxymoron,  ok i got the command but its already the newest version,... 0 upgrade,newly,installed,removed,etc...
[14:51] <wrr_> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dff9kd6v_0ks23nmdw
[14:52] <CrazyDoode> how's 10.04 looking? is upgrade path good or is fresh better?
[14:52] <UbuntuLily> When I installed the KDE package it installed all this other crap, is there a way just to install the DE without all the extra crap?
[14:52] <wrr_> kubuntu 10.04 http://docs.google.com/View?id=dff9kd6v_0ks23nmdw
[14:52] <Papierkorb> thats the problem i had when i've installed gnome to test it :D
[14:53] <oxymoron> zus: Try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-restricted" or "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-restricted" or "sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-restricted" and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted"
[14:53] <oxymoron> zus: I am not surw which packages it wants to remove if you remove kubuntu-restricted though, use it carefully ;)
[14:54] <oxymoron> mrub: Hopefully GNU/Linux people will understand efficency and creativity flows in application interfaces as iPhone OS and Android understands.
[14:54] <wrr_> kubuntu 10.04 http://docs.google.com/View?id=dff9kd6v_0ks23nmdw
[14:54] <zus> oxymoron,  hmm, i should find out what packages are involved in the restricted extras...sigh. i just hope i dont have to reinstall everything agian. took 24 hours for me to get everything  to how i like it settings and all
[14:55] <kmd> hi all
[14:56] <kmd> someone speaking russian?
[14:56] <oxymoron> zus: Welcome to the Linux world where you change settings all the time :D Personally I think GNU/Linux and the distros give us to much choices, thats why we need these support IRC channels .D
[14:56] <mrub> oxymoron: that's different because you have to rely on your fat finger tips and therefore need automatically bigger buttons and icons
[14:56] <sumbloke> too much choices?
[14:56] <sumbloke> lol
[14:56] <zus> oxymoron,  as if a new flavor every 6 months wasnt enough to send my indecision and ocd  off  hahha
[14:57] <oxymoron> zus: Personal experience says that its faster and better to remove all settings and go factory defaults and than change settings again rather than try to fix the settings from a corrupt state ;)
[14:57] <mrub> the mouse pointer is more like a surgeon's tool
[14:57] <kmd> i have Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, and it works with Gnome, but if i change the session and login with KDE i see just blackscreen..
[14:57]  * sumbloke is just watching kubuntu upgrade as we speak
[14:58] <oxymoron> mrub: Yes of course, but the interface effiency is still the same ;) I see a lot of unused space and bad choice of put title bars, actions, menus, icons and everything :P
[14:58] <zus> oxymoron, true,
[14:58] <zus> oxymoron,  brb
[14:58] <sumbloke> why the hell didn't i shell out for a DVD instead of doing it by download
[14:58] <sumbloke> grrr
[14:58] <oxymoron> sumbloke: Yes so much choices that you get lost what you wanted from the beginning :D I go new design all the time xD
[14:59] <mrub> oxymoron: but space is not the limitation on a desktop. with all the widescreens and virtual desktops you have plenty of space
[14:59] <oxymoron> mrub: Maybe we will get hologram touch screens as monitors for our computers in the future and virtual keyboards in the air (Not sure how to solve ergonomy problems though and make fingers think they got key resistance)
[15:00] <sumbloke> it's not a like desktop has two dimensions after all
[15:00] <mrub> that'd be cool
[15:00] <oxymoron> mrub: Exactly, A LOT of unused space and interfaces doesnt work good. The buttons isnt placed good, which make everything take longer time than it have to take :P
[15:01] <sumbloke> yeah touch screen, virtual keyboard, gaze control...then i can call up a terminal and type my bash scripts...
[15:01] <oxymoron> mrub: I would feel like I am in Star Trek xD
[15:01] <mrub> oxymoron: you can still use shortcuts :d
[15:01] <oxymoron> mrub: Yes, but I prefer my mouse pointer xD I have a lot of shortcuts to think of anyway :P
[15:02]  * oxymoron could be one of the guys out there in the future that will develop this kind of new technology :P
[15:02] <marc-andre> hiho
[15:03] <marc-andre> where can i change the plasma theme ?
[15:03] <marc-andre> i find everything but that
[15:03] <sumbloke> most of the technology has been developed hasn't it?
[15:03] <mrub> oxymoron: hm what else can i suggest? maybe an external monitor to your iphone?
[15:03] <oxymoron> marc-andre: system settings -> appearance
[15:03]  * sumbloke lol@mrub
[15:04] <oxymoron> mrub: Hahaha lol :D Why on earth would I use an external monitor on a smartphone xD And then iPhone and Steve Jobs wouldnt though that anyway, youve had to buy a accesoary from Apple to special connect the monitor like everything else they do :D
[15:04] <marc-andre> oxymoron: under the tab session, now i found it, thx
[15:04] <sumbloke> the tech is there, jonny lee chung just has to work out how to do it for cheap
[15:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Youre welcome ;)
[15:04] <mrub> oxymoron: definitly true *g
[15:05] <oxymoron> marc-andre: And yes under the tabs, I didnt say it because I wanted you to discover that ;)
[15:05] <mrub> damn i always think i'm in console and can hardly find the autocompletion when i use irc
[15:05] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i was i don't know how many times in that section, but didn't look under session, somehow its the wrong "name"
[15:06] <oxymoron> mrub: Apple always want to do their own way and will continue to do that and thats why they usually always is first with complete concepts, even if the subconcepts of their products have been out there for decades already :D
[15:06] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Yeah, I think its unlogical myself but all things is usually in there in appearance ;)
[15:07] <mrub> marc-andre: you can type theme in the system setting's search bar which will highlight the results
[15:07] <marc-andre> ok
[15:07] <marc-andre> now i just need to find a good theme, the one i had isn't good
[15:07] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Hopefully system settings will be re-arranged in the future and got built in kde-look integration to install things in ONE place and not on different place as it is today and with different GUIs as well :D
[15:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Which one, Oxygen, Air or anything else?
[15:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: I dont remember but I think Oxyair or Glassified are good ones :P
[15:08] <sumbloke> the building alarm is whining wonder what's happened
[15:08] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i downloaded Arezzo2, but fast switched back to Air
[15:09] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Urkh, yeah that one is ugly :P
[15:09] <oxymoron> marc-andre: There is someone that combines Oxygen and Air I think that looks really good :)
[15:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: which one ?
[15:10] <oxymoron> marc-andre: If I could remember, something like Oxyair :P
[15:10] <mrub> marc-andre: you can also use different parts of the themes under desktop theme details on the second tab
[15:10] <marc-andre> mrub: yeah, i know, just never tried to change an entire theme before...
[15:10] <marc-andre> in KDE4 at least
[15:11] <oxymoron> marc-andre: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Air-oxygen?content=118674
[15:12] <marc-andre> will have a look at it
[15:12] <saintly> can someoen give me the link to download the 10.04 iso?
[15:12]  * oxymoron wonders why not anyone out there have been designing a good looking KDM theme :P (I have been looking on whole kde-look for a good one, Oxylights almost does it, but the base for username and password isnt good at all)
[15:14] <Landgraf> I need set vp-connect via Miniport WAN (PPTP). What do i do?
[15:14] <Landgraf> via Network manager
[15:14]  * saintly thinks oxymoron thinks too much.
[15:16] <saintly> i have a Dell netboook, would you suggest Kubuntu Netbook or just straight lucid?
[15:17] <Papierkorb> i suggest normal kde wihout this netbook remix crap
[15:17] <Papierkorb> but you can change it later anyway (somewhere ;) )
[15:18] <James147> saintly: You can try both and see which you prefure, I like the netbook edition on my eee
[15:18] <saintly> alright
[15:19] <benjamin_> I did a clean install of 10.04 last night... how do I configure samba shares?
[15:19] <James147> saintly: all you have to do is install one and then install either kubuntu-desktop (for the full version) or kubuntu-netbook
[15:19]  * Papierkorb is interested in that question too
[15:19] <James147> benjamin_: you need to frist install "samba"
[15:19] <Quintasan> oxymoron: there is a theme for KSplash and KDM to match plymouth screen http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Lucid?content=123354  http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Lucid+Simple?content=123353
[15:19] <James147> !samba | benjamin_
[15:20] <mojo_risin> hi. i did a dist upgrade to 10.04 yesterday and it broke my system; lots of packages with errors :(
[15:20] <mojo_risin> known issue?
[15:20] <Papierkorb> yes: upgrade sucks
[15:21] <Papierkorb> solution: clean install from cd/usb/whatever ;(
[15:21] <mojo_risin> Papierkorb: it's described in kubuntu as a safe way to upgrade...
[15:21] <Papierkorb> ;)
[15:21] <kroson> Papierkorb: for an upgrade you should wait 2 or 3 weeks after the release
[15:21] <kroson> and then do the network upgrade
[15:21] <kroson> its safer
[15:21] <James147> mojo_risin: upgrads ave always had a few problems with them :9 a fresh install is the ebst option. Your system should be fixable but a freshinstall might be easie
[15:21] <kroson> mojo_risin: but it isnt, or may not be for you
[15:21] <mojo_risin> James147: fortunatelly i had a backup....
[15:21] <kroson> for some it is, for others not
[15:21] <saintly> alright i have my iso file for 10-04 Netbook. What now? use USB Installer on it?
[15:21] <Landgraf> I need set vp-connect via Miniport WAN (PPTP). What do i do?
[15:21] <Papierkorb> i don't care, i've installed lucid via cd afterwards, i've broke my gcc toolchain before anyway, so i got rid of some things :-p
[15:21] <James147> mojo_risin: always a good thing to have :)
[15:22] <kroson> James147: sure
[15:22] <mojo_risin> things used to be more stable some years back
[15:22] <Papierkorb> saintly: yes
[15:22] <James147> saintly: if your already running [k]ubuntu then you can use usb-creator[-kde]  to install the iso to a usb
[15:23] <James147> saintly: or unetbootin can also do it from and distro (or windows)
[15:23] <kroson> mojo_risin: i agree, since jaunty some buggy releases have came, at least at the release date
[15:23] <James147> any distro ^^
[15:23] <kroson> not for me, for me all of them  work well
[15:23] <saintly> Startup disk creator, will that work?
[15:23] <kroson> but for some ...
[15:23] <James147> saintly: that is usb-creator :)
[15:24] <saintly> alright what do i do here. lol ive only done this on a windows PC
[15:24] <James147> saintly: its fairly stright forward, seletct the iso you want to use in the first half, then plug in your usb stick and select it (and format it) on the second half
[15:25] <saintly> alright
[15:25] <oxymoron> How do I enable ompiz?
[15:26] <James147> saintly: i did knotice usb-creator-kde had some problems with formating the usb though when i last tryed (although it had worked previously so mihgt just ahve been a config problem) but i found usb-creator  (the gnome version) worked
[15:26] <kroson> oxymoron: it is enabled with the nvidia proprietary driver in ubuntu
[15:26] <benjamin_> samba is now installed. Attempting to share files with dolphin still yields no response. SWAT looks extremely complicated. Can't I just right-click and share like I used to be able to?
[15:26] <kroson> as for kde, i dont know, maybe you have to install it separately
[15:26] <saintly> umm
[15:26] <kroson> have you tried kwin?
[15:26] <saintly> James147: it said somethin about a corrput file
[15:27] <James147> benjamin_: the GUI for samba dosnt work very well atm, I think a new one is under development but untill then you ahve to edit the config files
[15:27] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah... for a stable release it seems it wasn't even tested
[15:27] <James147> saintly: when you did what?
[15:27] <kroson> mojo_risin: it seems that lucid was more stable like 1 month ago than it is on the release
[15:27] <saintly> tried to open the iso
[15:28] <mojo_risin> kroson: i see... i would like to have the feedback when it will be safe to network upgrade...
[15:28] <James147> saintly: :S might have a corrput iso then, try running an md5sum on it
[15:28] <James147> !md5 | saintly
[15:28] <kroson> mojo_risin: search on the forums for some feedback of someone with the same configuration as you
[15:29] <kroson> you may upgrade and be OK or just screw your OS
[15:29] <FabienD> hi all
[15:29] <kroson> there is no recommended date, although the usual is 2 or 3 weeks after the release
[15:30] <Barridus> it seems the "use KDE fonts in GTK apps" option or whatever isn't working (at least for me).  wouldn't be a big deal except the fact i'm on a netbook so having firefox's menu and toolbar fonts being too big is somewhat of an annoyance.  anyone know what's up?
[15:30] <kroson> but even after this you may screw your OS, thats why network upgrade is not very secure
[15:30] <mojo_risin> kroson: my configuration is nothing so special; standard kubuntu with some packages installed :)
[15:30] <saintly> James147: alright im trying to set it into the ISO box and when i double click it it doesnt go to the box lol
[15:30] <kroson> mojo_risin: but as i told, the upgrade may work well for you, the only way to see would be testing :S, obviously
[15:31] <kroson> for those who have a separate /home partition this is not a problem
[15:31] <kroson> of course
[15:31] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah but it's not reasonable to reinstall all your system... upgrades were a thing i liked with linux dists
[15:31] <kroson> mojo_risin: there were always problems with upgrades on linux, only rolling releases have less trouble with it
[15:32] <kroson> that has to do with the way apt handles packages and its dependencies
[15:32] <kroson> packages conflicts lead to these situations...
[15:32] <James147> saintly: not sure what you mean
[15:32] <saintly> James147: thinkin it wants me to wipe it and make it a startup disk first
[15:33] <kroson> mojo_risin: its up to you to decide what you want, keep with karmic, upgrade, clean install lucid.
[15:33] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah, let's wait and see :)
[15:33] <mojo_risin> I will try one more time, in two weeks
[15:33] <kroson> mojo_risin: have you tried upgrading from karmic to lucid already?
[15:33] <mojo_risin> if it doesn't work i'll steek with this version
[15:34] <saintly> grr this is strange
[15:34] <James147> saintly: you will need to wipe the usb stick (although usb-creator sould be able to do that with the "format" button) but you should be able to select the iso anyway
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: my current version is 09.10
[15:34] <kroson> mojo_risin: sure
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: i tried to upgrade to 10.04
[15:34] <kroson> and
[15:34] <James147> saintly: try installing the gnome version "usb-creator" (or "use-creator-gtk")
[15:34] <James147> saintly: i have found it works slightly better
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: and it ruined my system :)
[15:34] <kroson> what did you do next?
[15:35] <saintly> james147: how, sudo apt-get install usb creator?
[15:35] <mojo_risin> kroson: i used my backup
[15:35] <mojo_risin> and reverted to 09.10
[15:35] <kroson> mojo_risin: ok
[15:36] <kroson> give a try again in some time, maybe you are lucky then
[15:36] <James147> saintly: "sudo apt-get install usb-creator" should do it, if not add -gtk to the end (carnt remember when they changed the naming)
[15:36] <kroson> sooner or later you will have to upgrade, to lucid, maverick or the follower..
[15:36] <benjamin_> I installed samba, successfully edited the configuration file, but when I go to do a restart I get this: "/etc/init.d/samba: command not found"
[15:36] <kroson> and if you arent able to upgrade to lucid, you will have to do a clean install by then
[15:37] <James147> benjamin_: try "sudo service samba restart"
[15:37] <mojo_risin> kroson: i will, thanks
[15:37] <kroson> np
[15:37] <benjamin_> "samba: unrecognized service"
[15:38] <ljl> it's "smbd"
[15:38]  * James147 installs samba to test
[15:38] <benjamin_> the page you guys sent me to with the bot says it's still 'samba' :P
[15:38] <saintly> james147: Setting up usb-creator (0.2.22) ...Complete
[15:38] <saintly> :D
[15:39] <James147> benjamin_: yeah looks like smbd, dam them chaning the names of things :S
[15:39] <vadi01> guys this nvidia fix...its in updates testing right?
[15:39] <benjamin_> James147: at least we figured it out
[15:39] <vadi01> its not been commited yet?
[15:39] <benjamin_> ljl: thanks for the assist
[15:39] <ljl> np
[15:40] <kroson> vadi01: i think yes
[15:40] <vadi01> darn the plymount is so ugly
[15:40] <Barridus> my gtk font size is too big, can anyone help?
[15:40] <vadi01> Barridus: after updating your video driver?
[15:40] <James147> saintly: usb-creator should work the same way as the kde version just be slightly mor reliable :S
[15:41] <Barridus> vadi01, no updates have been done, i just started using kde after the lucid release, it's been that way since
[15:42] <vadi01> just adjust from system settings-->appearence-->fonts try setting the font dpi to 96
[15:43] <saintly> James147: the iso file still wont let me select it
[15:44] <Barridus> vadi01, tried that already, doesn't seem to work
[15:44] <James147> saintly: any error?
[15:45] <Barridus> i think the issue isn't a DPI issue with teh gtk fonts, i think it's simply rendering them at a higher size (9 perhaps) opposed to 6 or 7 (kde)
[15:49] <comodi> hi to all
[15:49] <Landgraf_Chel> what package in'nt requre certificate?
[15:49] <FabienD> I have upgraded to kubuntu 10.04 and got the 'can't start ksmserver' error. is that due to my nvidia card or what ?
[15:49] <comodi> any news about poulsbo and lucid lynx?
[15:50] <Landgraf_Chel> i need vpn-connection, bat i not have certifcate
[15:50] <saintly> no, it just closes the window after i select open
[15:50] <Landgraf_Chel> in gnome is it
[15:51] <Landgraf_Chel> openvpn and vpnc isn't suit
[15:51] <Landgraf_Chel> what is more?
[15:52] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[15:53] <wizkoder> my laptop just told me that its low on power. so I connected the cable and everything crashed. I had to press the power button for seconds to turn the computer off. when it came back up the desktop was resetted. all settings lost. Waht a bad version :-(((((((((((
[15:54] <wizkoder> Do I have to install gnome now? Is there an alternative to ubuntu when I want to use kde?
[15:54] <wizkoder> This version has not been tested. Otherwise it would not have been released.
[15:55] <wizkoder> You will loose a lot of users with this. Because it just does not work!
[15:58] <SatanClaus> hey guys, I just ran a dis-upgrade on my system, but while doing so my computer suddenly did a hard shutdown, I think something was blocking the fan, so after fixing that: how do I resume?
[15:58] <SatanClaus> s/dis-upgrade/dist-upgrade/
[16:00] <saintly> @ James147: the iso was indeed corrupt lol. downloading a new one now ETA 1hour 22 minutes.
[16:01] <SilverCode> wizkoder: are you using an ext4 filesystem?
[16:01] <wizkoder> SilverCode: No. I use xfs
[16:02] <vadi01> whooooo my printer finally worked after 5 years
[16:02] <vadi01> not this is cool
[16:03] <SilverCode> wizkoder: ok ... it just sounds like the filsystem hadn't comitted the changes before your machine crashed
[16:04] <SilverCode> wizkoder: as for the crashing when you plug your power in, that sucks :)
[16:04] <wizkoder> SilverCode: its not the fs fault. xfs works fine.
[16:04] <saintly> @ silvercode: what?? lol
[16:04] <saintly> oh wizkoder crashed when puggin er in?
[16:05] <wizkoder> saintly: I just plugged the power cable in and everything goes down :-(
[16:05] <saintly> @ wizkoder: are you on it right now
[16:06] <wizkoder> Does debian have a graphical system setting now? I think I try this now. Kubuntu is not working anymore :-(
[16:06] <wizkoder> saintly: rebootet and started to set everything up again
[16:06] <wizkoder> The plasmoid started to jump around again
[16:06] <saintly> @ wizkoder: ouch. and you are plugged in to power now?
[16:06] <wizkoder> If I try to rsize the microblogging plasmoid it always goes back to its initial size
[16:07] <wizkoder> yes its plugged in. guess when I remove the plug the computer explodes again
[16:08] <saintly> @wizkoder: hmm. how old is ur PC? thts hardware failure, unless ur software was made by gods lol.
[16:08] <wizkoder> kubuntu 8.04 worked perfectly
[16:08] <wizkoder> 9.04 was really buggy
[16:09] <wizkoder> 10.04 is worse :-((((
[16:09] <wizkoder> Its about 2 years old
[16:09] <saintly> 9.10 was a thing of beauty
[16:09] <wizkoder> No its wasn't because the sound crashed all the time
[16:09] <saintly> try the Netbook version, wizkoder
[16:09] <wizkoder> I want to use kde
[16:10] <saintly> and i cn help ur sound isssues too lol
[16:10] <saintly> !sound
[16:10] <saintly> use the trouble shooting one, and if you get stuck come talk to me lol.
[16:10] <saintly> took me like 15 minutes, my sound is perfect.
[16:11] <saintly> something about  the kernal when you update, it doesnt quite catch sound cards right lol.
[16:12] <wizkoder> The sound in the new version seems to work :-)
[16:12] <wizkoder> Did not yet install skype. Lets see
[16:12] <abdlhafiz> wats up
[16:12] <saintly> skype is my tester lol. i use the echo sound toest, easy as cake.
[16:13] <saintly> test*
[16:13] <saintly> @abdihafiz: hey
[16:13] <abdlhafiz> @sup  dude
[16:13] <saintly> ;)
[16:14] <saintly> need help with anything?
[16:14] <abdlhafiz> @yeah
[16:15] <saintly> whats thatt
[16:16] <abdlhafiz> @sanintly,i want tha source code 4 firefox,any idea
[16:17] <saintly> hmm
[16:17] <zus> oxymoron,  are you still around?
[16:17] <saintly> let me look
[16:17] <abdlhafiz> i'm waiting
[16:18] <saintly> @abdlhafiz: i assume you want the newset version?
[16:18] <zus> oxymoron,  i fixed the video. i fixed my video. it was end user error.
[16:20] <abdlhafiz> yeah man
[16:22] <FabienD> !ksmserver
[16:22] <FabienD> !nvidia
[16:22] <FabienD> !can't start ksmserver
[16:23] <FabienD> lol
[16:23] <saintly> you need to download Mercurial, thats ur easiest way, abdlhafiz
[16:23] <saintly> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Source_Code/Mercurial
[16:23] <zus> does konqueror come with kget plugins by default? or do i have to install them? how do i know if its installed or not?
[16:26] <giovanny> hi
[16:27] <jeremias_> hello
[16:30] <c3l> how can I set a hotkey for dolphin?
[16:34] <c3l> nvm I found it
[16:38] <ner0x> Anyone found a fix for the nvidia-settings error yet?
[16:39] <SilverCode> ner0x: you mean it not being able to save to xorg.conf?
[16:39] <ner0x> SilverCode, Yes.
[16:39] <oxymoron> zus: Ah now I am, glad you fixed it. What was the problem?
[16:39] <SilverCode> ner0x: I just saved to empty file, ran nvidia-xconfig, and then hand merged the 2
[16:40] <SilverCode> ner0x: certainly not ideal, but it worked :)
[16:40] <ner0x> SilverCode: Still getting a lot of the bugs out of this one I guess.
[16:41] <zus> oxymoron,  really i had used karmic repository alll i had to do was change karmic to lucid. that was my bad
[16:41] <ner0x> Also, I noticed there is no "kdevelop" package?
[16:42] <FabienD> !failsafe
[16:42] <FabienD> !failsafe session
[16:43] <zus> oxymoron, lesson learned pay attention lol.
[16:44] <zus> does anyone know how to get ubuntu-1 in kubuntu?
[16:44] <ner0x> SilverCode: Didn't work. This is enough to make me switch back to 9.10
[16:45] <ner0x> How can it be released with so many issues. :-/
[16:45] <TheAncientGoat> Guys, is there an easy way to mount a hardrive at a specific point after installation? I had a seperate partition for my Desktop folder in 9.10, and I freshly re-installed my system but forgot to set that partitions mount point, and I can't find anything to fix it
[16:46] <TheAncientGoat> I can remember being able to set mountpoints in a partition editor, but I cant seem to find that functionality anymore
[16:46] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: /etc/fstab is where you would do it, I think
[16:47] <TheAncientGoat> I have yet to touch a text config file that has not messed up my installation in some way or another :P
[16:47] <c3l> how can I get a folder "up" button in dolphin?
[16:48] <ljl> c3l: right click on the toolbar, configure toolbar, add it.
[16:48] <iconmefisto> c3l: right-click the toolbar, configure toolbars
[16:48] <c3l> aah nice, ty
[16:48] <ljl> c3l: you do know you can click on the last directory listed in the path at the top to achieve the same effect, though?
[16:50] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: How can I get the uuid of a drive?
[16:52] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: sudo blkid /dev/sda5 (for example)
[16:52] <BiggFREE> Hi
[16:53] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Ah, I got it with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[16:54] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Do you see anything wrong with adding this line: UUID=adc96351-88d0-4ab3-b52d-556bb72794a8 /home/ryan/Desktop/	ext4	errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:55] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: looks ok to me
[16:56] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Ok, so you better hide if this makes my system unbootable :P
[16:57] <Schnacki> Hi, I've got a problem at boot-time (hang on splashscreen) and am kind of at a loss on how to diagnose this in order to find if this is a know bug or something new. Can someone assist me here?
[16:59] <Schnacki> It appears similar to Bug #538524, but that's supposed to be fixed since mid of March, so I'm probably seeing something else
[17:01] <BiggFREE> How is working apt-get clean ?
[17:01] <BiggFREE> How do I free space with Linux ?
[17:01] <timmey> BiggFree: df
[17:01] <c3l> BiggFREE: ...?.. remove files
[17:02] <BiggFREE> yes
[17:02] <krucks> kubuntu this Very God
[17:02] <BiggFREE> df command
[17:02] <c3l> BiggFREE: open your favourite filemanager and start removing files that you dont need. or uninstall packages: # apt-get remove foo
[17:02] <BiggFREE> df files
[17:03] <BiggFREE> ok
[17:03] <BiggFREE> ty :)
[17:04] <Anubis> is there a way to put multiple linux live distros on a dvd, select the distro and boot ?
[17:05] <hollyday> hey guys, i just installed kubuntu 10.4 and tried to start it, but all i get is a grub shell
[17:05] <ner0x> If my sudo won't let me "sudo" anything, how do I edit root files? (seeing as I can't log in as root)
[17:06] <zus> what can play .swf files?
[17:07] <ljl> ner0x: you can reboot into recovery mode and fix it
[17:07] <iconmefisto> zus: simplest thing is a web browser
[17:07] <reza> ner0x: sudo nano <file>
[17:07] <ljl> reza: ... he just said sudo doesn't work.
[17:08] <ner0x> ljl: I'll try that.
[17:08] <ner0x> I was trying to avoid that. :-/
[17:08] <reza> hollyday: it looks like something happened with your grub configuration during install. anything work in the recovery mode?
[17:08] <ljl> ner0x: if sudo doesn't work there aren't many other ways. is your user a member of the "admin" group? (check by typing "groups")
[17:08] <phdp> I need to modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. When I try to open the file it says I do not have the permission, so I guess I have to open a terminal, type "sudo su", enter my password and then open it, but I have no idea how to open a textfile from the console :)
[17:08] <zus> iconmefisto, ty
[17:09] <ner0x> ljl: I know the mistake I made. I'll have to book in save to fix it. :-/
[17:09] <reza> phdp: kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[17:09] <yofel> phdp: just run 'kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf' from the run dialog
[17:10] <hollyday> reza: how can i got into the recovery mode? the grub shel is the first thing i get when i start my pc, there is no grubmenu or something
[17:10] <phdp> I get: No protocol specified
[17:10] <phdp> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[17:11] <Schnacki> phdp: run the "kdesudo..." command as your normal user
[17:11] <Schnacki> phdp: not as root.
[17:11] <phdp> oops
[17:11] <yofel_> phdp: you did use that from the run dialog, not from the terminal?
[17:11] <yofel_> phdp: or yes, as your normal user from the terminal
[17:11] <phdp> ah yes ! it works, thanks
[17:14] <reza> hollyday: sorry, I misunderstood. I don't know with certainty how to help you.
[17:15] <Schnacki> hollyday: I guess, your grub is broken. Was this a new install or an upgrade?
[17:15] <hollyday> it was a new install, i already tried to reinstall grub with the chroot method, but the result at the boot is still the same
[17:16] <hollyday> and i dont have a menu.lst or e grub.conf in my /boot/grub/ after the original install neither after i reinstalled grub
[17:16] <reza> hollyday: I'm researching it online and it looks like a missing symlink in your /boot/grub
[17:17] <reza> is re-installing out of the question?
[17:17] <Schnacki> hollyday: I'm not yet familiar with grub2, but: if you boot the live-cd and look on the disk at the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file, are there any lines beginning with "menuentry" in there?
[17:20] <horst_> Guten Abend
[17:21] <zus> is there an autohide on the panel in kubutnu?
[17:21] <ADC> yes zus
[17:21] <ADC> 'abend horst
[17:21] <calumayoo> hello... my video i think that the video resolution is poor... especially when it is in full screen mode
[17:21] <ADC> to autohide the panel, go to the panel settings
[17:21] <david_n> i triedn kubuntu 10.04 live, and it worked excellent. i installed it, and when i started it i just got a black terminal-screen with a login-window. i tried "startx", and saw that there was some missing "nvidia" driver. how do i fix that? :o
[17:21] <calumayoo> i think that the video resolution is poor... especially when it is in full screen mode
[17:21] <DerHorst> Hier ist nicht genug Platz für zwei Horst!
[17:22] <ADC> more settings, auto hide
[17:22] <ADC> DerHorst : LOL
[17:22] <DerHorst> Oh, excuse me, english channel: There is one Horst too much
[17:22] <ADC> xD
[17:22] <ADC> zus : found it ?
[17:23] <zus> ADC,  no i steped away for a sec,  where is it?
[17:23] <ADC> zus : do you see the designed panel button ?
[17:23] <ADC> zus : down right normally
[17:24] <zus> ADC,  i found it now thanks.
[17:24] <ADC> zus : kde4 right ?
[17:24] <zus> ADC,  yes
[17:24] <c3l> why does the fonts in firefox and some other applications make me want to kill my selfe after a while? it looks just plain bad sometimes, didnt have this issue when I was running ubuntu 19.10, now I switched to kubuntu 10.04
[17:24] <ADC> zus : alright ^^
[17:25] <ADC> the autohide function of panels is much better in kde 4 than 3.5
[17:25] <ADC> (of course lol)
[17:25] <zus> ADC, i dont really wanna clutter the dsktp with widgets and the pannel is in my way lol
[17:25] <ADC> ^^
[17:27] <ner0x> What happened to kdevelop ?
[17:27] <ADC> c3l : i do not have such problems
[17:28] <ADC> c3l : which version of firefox are you using ?
[17:28] <c3l> ADC: latest, installed the system earlier today, and firefox with some default firefox installer that was included in kubuntu
[17:29] <Schnacki> ner0x: KDevelop 4 is commited but not on the mirrors yet. At least that's what I gathered from launchpad earlier today
[17:29] <ADC> c3l : go to help, about firefox to get the version
[17:29] <c3l> but I now see that I had been messing with the screens settings, there was no real problem, thanks anyway =)
[17:29] <ADC> c3l : because the last firefox release is 3.6.3, and it's working perfectly for me ^^
[17:29] <c3l> same here :D
[17:29] <ADC> ok
[17:29] <UbuntuLily> How big does your USB drive have to be to be able to install kubuntu on it?
[17:30] <ADC> 2gB minimum
[17:30] <ADC> and it's pretty embarasing
[17:30] <ADC> 4GB would be great
[17:30] <ADC> because you need 1GB for kubuntu
[17:30] <c3l> no
[17:31] <c3l> the iso file is less than 700mb
[17:31] <ADC> and 1 or 2 or 4, ... GB for the changes, its a permanent file, so a false partition, in a file that is completed by using the system
[17:31] <c3l> it fits on a CD
[17:31] <ADC> yeah ok 700mo to 1gb for the system, and the persistent casper file ^^
[17:31] <c3l> oooh, you wanted to install ON it
[17:31] <Barridus> dragon player just sits with a black screen when i try and play a video, codec issue?
[17:31] <c3l> sorry =)
[17:31] <ADC> doesn't mather ^^
[17:32] <wizkoder> i have just let the machine on for a while anf ate breakfast. when i came back the desktop looked strange. the tray only showing some symbols. nothing worked anymore....   omg
[17:32] <plush> heya. is there any way to install 10.04 on a netbook that has no optical drives?
[17:32] <plush> it seems to be extremely difficult as there are no .img files
[17:32] <wizkoder> dont install it!!!!!!!!!!
[17:32] <ADC> what type of videos wiskoder ? divx ?
[17:32] <plush> there is a netbook .iso but that's too big to burn on cd and boot my computer from :(
[17:32] <ADC> then use an usb key ^^
[17:32] <c3l> plush: use unetbootin to get the iso into an img, it does all this and puts it on the usb automatically, very easy and fast
[17:33] <Barridus> plush, use a tool like unetbootin to create a bootable flash drive from the .iso
[17:33] <franxavior> hi there
[17:33] <zus> i  thought 10.4 was goint to have yahoo as a search engine? or is that ubuntu only
[17:33] <ADC> aha first
[17:33] <ADC> :D
[17:33] <franxavior> is there any way to disable to desktop preview thing?
[17:33] <c3l> zus: whaaaaat?!
[17:33] <plush> c3l: i can't. i don't have linux
[17:33] <franxavior> or preview in general whenever my mouse hovers over any item?
[17:33] <ADC> you can do it on pc plush
[17:33] <plush> the tool seems to exist for linux and windows only
[17:33] <c3l> plush: ohh.. well get cygwin :D
[17:33] <plush> rather free software-unfriendly
[17:33] <plush> i run freebsd on all my machines
[17:34] <c3l> aha
[17:34] <plush> no cygwin for freebsd...
[17:34] <ADC> generating a usb install key can be made under windows too
[17:34] <c3l> i just assumed win..
[17:34] <UbuntuLily> I don't have a CD-R Available to me and am trying to build the disk but only have a 1GB thumb drive.  When I used USB Creator it says its too small.  If the CD is 697MB why don't it fit on a 1GB thumb?
[17:34] <wizkoder> plush: why exactely are u in this channel then? :)
[17:34] <ADC> then find one pc with windows ^^
[17:34] <fussel> horst ist jetzt fussel
[17:34] <plush> wizkoder: because i run all my family on kubuntu
[17:34] <fussel> ok
[17:34] <plush> and so i am trying to install it on my old machine
[17:34] <ADC> i know i should get killed by talking of wind**** LOL
[17:34] <plush> all i have right now is freebsd... and a very uncooperative iso image
[17:34] <zus> c3l,  i was reading that some place
[17:35] <plush> there has got to be a way to install this beast
[17:35] <zus> c3l,  kinda glad they didnt
[17:35] <c3l> is the restricted extras included as default in the latest kubuntu?
[17:35] <ADC> i don't think so
[17:35] <ADC> i did install it so i think not lol
[17:35] <c3l> zus: haha yeah, does people even use yahoo these days? maybe in the states.. but its dead in europe
[17:36] <c3l> ADC: thats wierd, i can play mp3s and so anyways
[17:36] <ADC> that's pretty right
[17:36] <ADC> yeah me too by the begining, but i needed it for something and did install it
[17:36] <c3l> ahh, well flash and so doesnt work so Ill get it
[17:36] <ADC> ^^
[17:37] <ADC> oh, just for fun, where are you all from ?
[17:37] <zus> c3l, i like yahoo...better than bing/aol/  and  all the others that was used back in the day...i kinda used yahoo cuz they was an alternative then and after all these years i still have my same email lol
[17:37] <ADC> i mean which land ? ^^
[17:37] <c3l> sweden! icebears and stuff ;)
[17:37] <harjot> whats kubuntus equivelent of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot
[17:37] <ADC> France :D
[17:37] <ner0x> So how many people went back to 9.10?
[17:38] <c3l> zus: ive converted to google completle, not too proud of it though ;p
[17:38]  * ljl will be back onto 8.04 ;|
[17:38] <plush> so... is there no way at all to install kubuntu when you are not running either windows or linux already? this seems a bit... sad
[17:38] <ADC> ner0x : why ?
[17:38] <UbuntuLily> Can someone help me with this error,  I am trying to install unetbootin and receive this:  This error could be caused by required additional software packages which are missing or not installable. Futhermore there could be a conflict between software packages which are not allowed to be installed at the same time.
[17:38] <ljl> plush: uh?
[17:38] <ner0x> ADC: Well, so far nothing works.
[17:38] <c3l> I see only improvements with 10.04
[17:38] <zus> c3l,  im Slowly going google i made a gmail in the last 2 months maybe?
[17:38] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:39] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:39] <Schnacki> plush: well, there is, just converting for an usb-image seems a bit hard
[17:39] <plush> ljl: i can't find a way to make a bootable usb key and install kubuntu
[17:39] <ADC> you need to get the installation working plush, if you are really desperate, buy a ubuntu cd :D
[17:39] <Schnacki> plush: is there no bsd-tool that does something similar?
[17:39] <plush> ADC: a cd is no use. this is a netbook we are talking about
[17:39] <harjot> whats kubuntus equivelent of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot
[17:39] <plush> Schnacki: not that i know of
[17:39] <ner0x> kdevelop isn't around anymore, nvidia-settings is broken.
[17:39] <ADC> dor me 10.04 lunid lynx is perfect ner0x
[17:39] <ADC> yeah but
[17:39] <ljl> plush: ah, ok. because obviously there is normally away, and that's burning the ISO to a CD.
[17:39] <ADC> you need something to install ubuntu ^^
[17:39] <c3l> zus: the thing is that you cant dislike googles products, they are very good at most levels, and alot is even open source.
[17:39] <ljl> plush: i thought freebsd came with a Linux binary compatibility layer, anyway?
[17:39] <saintly> anyone?
[17:40] <ADC> so you need or a ubuntu CD, or a ubuntu Usb Key
[17:40] <plush> ljl: this i can't do either as the image is 770mb and i only have 700mb cds here...
[17:40] <ner0x> ADC: Hrm?
[17:40] <zus> c3l,  yahoo is now used for social sites like myspace and facebooks and spam and serious stuffs now go to yahoo. im so tardy to the google trends
[17:40] <Schnacki> plush: alternatively (and I admit this is _lots_ of additional work): install virtualbox on your bsd (I assume that's possible?), install kubuntu in there and use that to convert the ISO to an USB-Image
[17:40] <ljl> plush: it will probably burn anyway
[17:40] <ADC> who is running 10.04 here ?
[17:40] <ADC> Me :D
[17:40] <plush> ljl: for userland stuff, yes. not sure if linux support will work for such a low-level tool
[17:40] <ljl> plush: it's not particularly low-level.
[17:40] <ljl> worth trying.
[17:41] <UbuntuLily> Plush - ore you can use virtualbox and just boot to the live image and probably do the same
[17:41] <dlb1980> I need some help with my video driver issues, since I upgraded to 10.04 I cant get into KDE anymore
[17:41] <plush> Schnacki: i already have virtualbox. i have windows in it. mounted the netbook cd in there. double clicked on the usb-creator.exe for windows. nothing happened, so i killed the session after 5 minutes
[17:41] <c3l> zus: is yahoo integrated with myspace and facebook? ;o well I really like gmail and google docs, use it alot actually. and of course the search engine, but maybe I'm just so used to it..
[17:41] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:41] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:41] <franxavior> looks like you cant disable desktop preview in 10.04
[17:42] <calumayoo> uhm this is urgent... need your help guys. Konqueror's going wild!!!! how do i stop it?
[17:42] <ADC> oh yeah, the only thing i can't get working is the suspend mode, but was the same with 9.10
[17:42] <ADC> doesn't mather
[17:42] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:42] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:42] <UbuntuLily> Plush, do you have your USB drive mounted in virtualbox to your guest?
[17:42] <Schnacki> plush: did you assign the USB-drive to the windows-box?
[17:43] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:43] <saintly> what should i do? Is there some way to save it?
[17:43] <Schnacki> I've never done this myself, so I don't even have an idea what _should_ happen
[17:43] <zus> c3l,  no but when they asked for email adress i use the what i call the spam catcher. i check that every 2 months my yahoo email that is
[17:43] <calumayoo> uhm this is urgent... need your help guys. Konqueror's going wild!!!! how do i stop it?
[17:43] <saintly> calumayoo, uninstall the sucker, konqueror is crap
[17:43] <plush> UbuntuLily: unfortunately, forwarding usb-drives as such into virtualbox is not supported for freebsd-
[17:43] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:43] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:44] <c3l> zus: haha aah now I get it
[17:44] <ADC> i do agree for konqueror ^^
[17:44] <Schnacki> calumayoo: [ctrl]-[alt]-[esc] and klick on konqueror -> Konqueror killed
[17:44] <ADC> firefox is the best ever
[17:44] <c3l> calumayoo: kill it and stop using it, I really dislike it :D
[17:44] <plush> Schnacki: i didn't even get that far. the usb-creator didn't even start
[17:44] <UbuntuLily> Neat.  No luck with unetbootin?
[17:44] <teeahr1> Can anybody help me out with some video card woes? I've been trying to get the nvidia driver to work for a GeForce GTS 250M for the last two days and I've gotten nowhere.
[17:44] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:44] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:45] <calumayoo> it continues loading
[17:45] <calumayoo> nonstop
[17:45] <Schnacki> saintly: reboot
[17:45] <zus> c3l,  i'm kinda waiting for wave to go public
[17:45] <dlb1980> I need some help with some video card issues, need help trying to get KDE to work since the upgrade to 10.04
[17:45] <saintly> Schnacki:  and itll continue to load when i do so?
[17:46] <Schnacki> calumayoo: what did you do? Did it start with surfing to a webpage?
[17:46] <plush> UbuntuLily: netbootin is linux and windows only. other free software explicitly not supported
[17:46] <Schnacki> saintly: no, but it'll have stopped downloading and you will have to restart
[17:46] <calumayoo> i clicked the help button as i was downloading a new splash screen
[17:46] <c3l> zus: ive had a wave account for quite some time now, wave is really slow and not very useful yet =/ but the idea is great!
[17:46] <saintly> Schnacki: So i need to reboot and downlaod again, in other words
[17:46] <Schnacki> plush: I meant _before_ starting the usb-creator
[17:47] <c3l> zus: but I've seen alot of improvements over time, and its working faster and faster
[17:47] <ADC> oh a question to everyone : what do you see during the boot sequence of kubuntu ?
[17:47] <plush> Schnacki: ah, so the tool is designed to not even pop up an error message if there is no usb key?
[17:47] <calumayoo> Schnacko: i clicked the help button as i was downloading a new spalsh screen. now my mouse pointer is a nonstop bouncing konqueror
[17:47] <ljl> ADC: a garbled splashscreen (known bug)
[17:47] <Schnacki> saintly: that would be the "easily describable way". Might be another way, but I'm not good enough at remote-debugging to tell you what you could do otherwise :)
[17:48] <ADC> i have nothing until kde is loaded and went crazy with that the last two days lol
[17:48] <saintly> Schnacki: Reboot it is! see you in a minute 30
[17:48] <Schnacki> plush: I don't know. I've never used the tool. But it's an idea to test
[17:48] <BiggFREE> bbl
[17:48] <calumayoo> ill just restart
[17:48] <calumayoo> be back
[17:48] <ADC> sorry i have to leave, gonna eat pizzas LOL byebye
[17:48] <vince> Hi eveyone
[17:49] <vince> I have q big proble; here
[17:49] <Schnacki> calumayoo: oh, so konqueror is not really starting, just the "startup notification" for konqueror is always present?
[17:50] <vince> the netzork manager seems to be disabled
[17:50] <vince> no zifi no netzork
[17:50] <vince> nothing
[17:51] <plush> Schnacki: i have windows installed natively on one of the machines i am putting kubuntu on
[17:51] <plush> just freed 2gb and will do it from there
[17:51] <vince> please help me
[17:51] <dlb1980> I really need some help trying to get my computer to work, I cant get in to KDE it loads to console, and when i type KDM it wont open KDE
[17:51] <plush> but i am *shocked* that windows is supported for this and "competing" free OSes are deliberately excluded
[17:52] <Schnacki> plush: good luck :)
[17:52] <plush> this is a terrible state of affairs
[17:52] <Schnacki> vince: what does "ifconfig" on a console say? does it show any devices?
[17:53] <vince> i cant do it cos im using qn ubuntu live cd right now
[17:53] <vince> cause my kubuntu is useless at the moment
[17:54] <vince> the thing is i was running out of battery and i had to reboot using the on>off button
[17:54] <plush> Schnacki: thanks. i will need a lot of luck
[17:54] <vince> it screzed up the network manager
[17:55] <wizkoder> Is Lucid working for somebody here without Problems?
[17:55] <vince> i tried to delete all kde config files
[17:55] <vince> didnt work
[17:57] <vince> i think i need all the *deb related to the network manager
[17:57] <StevenR> wizkoder: works for me :)
[17:57] <vince> cause i cant use the internet /
[17:59] <wizkoder> StevenR: No problems?
[17:59] <calumayoo> Schnacki: how do i remove it?
[17:59] <StevenR> wizkoder: nope. just works.
[17:59] <calumayoo> Schnacko: how do i remove it?
[18:00] <Schnacki> vince: well: if the sources.list file also includes the cd you might just be able to reinstall that, but I'm not really sure that would help
[18:00] <Schnacki> calumayoo: remove what?
[18:00] <calumayoo> konqueror
[18:01] <vince> thx Schnacki...i dont know zhat happened...frustrating
[18:02] <Schnacki> calumayoo: you could try KPackageKit
[18:03] <calumayoo> ok thanks...
[18:03] <calumayoo> have you removed you konqueror?
[18:03] <vince> im afraid im gonna have to make a fresh install
[18:03] <vince> dammit
[18:04] <plush> Schnacki: the usb-creator seems to be doing its work from native windows. success at last
[18:04] <vince> bye
[18:05] <Schnacki> plush: *thumbsup* at least you get it to work, if not in the way wanted
[18:05] <Schnacki> vince: I'm sorry, but I don't really know anything more to help you here
[18:05] <Schnacki> calumayoo: nope. I don't have any problems with it
[18:05] <saintly> alright noobish question how do i access my files n stuff?
[18:06] <zus> i am using fire fox the new 3.6 one,...and i keep getting asked to install new plugins. but when i hit the button it says there were no pluggings found
[18:06] <plush> Schnacki: next thing, once the netbook is happy, windows on the other machine will be replaced with kubuntu as well
[18:06] <calumayoo> Schnacki: i removed it nnow
[18:06] <kubuntukrazy> i'm in trouble.  i ran the upgrade, but afterwards couldn't log into KDE.  i tried removing my NV drivers and going basic, but that screwed things up worse.  i finally removed and reinstalled xserver, but now i just error to cmd prompt.
[18:07] <kubuntukrazy> i also get a USB /dev/proc/usb mount error on boot
[18:07] <kubuntukrazy> is there anything i can run at the cmd prompt to force the everything to be reinstalled?
[18:07] <moderndayzero> anyone know how to get the accelerated 3d working on 10.4
[18:08] <saintly> How do i access my files LOL
[18:08] <saintly> ??
[18:08] <dlb1980> i need some video card issues help, I cant get into KDE
[18:08] <kubuntukrazy> saintly: use dolphin
[18:09] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: me too.  try to log in, get popped right back out?
[18:09] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: all of my fix attempts have just broken things worse :(
[18:09] <Schnacki> saintly: dolphin would come to mind
[18:09] <saintly> LOL
[18:09] <dlb1980> same here, i get thrown into console instead of being able to get into KDE
[18:10] <Schnacki> saintly: what files do you talk about? those of another OS?
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: yup.  nvidia?
[18:10] <dlb1980> intel
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> hmm
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> glx ?
[18:10] <dlb1980> gm965
[18:11] <dlb1980> it is on my laptop
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: did you have glx running? (3d accel)
[18:11] <dlb1980> no i was trying to get it started  and that is what caused this
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> oh, hehe
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> in the past i've fun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure video
[18:12] <kubuntukrazy> that doesn't appear to do anything
[18:12] <kubuntukrazy> i mean, i hit enter and it doesn't seem to run anything
[18:13] <dlb1980> the last thing i put in that caused all of this was "echo options i915 modeset=1 sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
[18:14] <melomane> kubuntu lucid has problems with DSL right?
[18:14] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: good luck.... i'm sick of messign with it for now.  i'm going to eat a sandwhich
[18:15] <kubuntukrazy> maybe someone will be on later that knows more than how to break stuff (like me)
[18:15] <dlb1980> lol ok thanks, hope you canfix it as well
[18:18] <seth> Hello?
[18:19] <seth> I apparently am unaware of what I'm doing. Help?
[18:19] <iconmefisto> what's the problem, seth
[18:20] <seth> I upgraded to 10.04 and now my computer won't recognize my second hard drive.
[18:20] <seth> I used it as storage.
[18:21] <omfarka> hello, how can i get back my panel at the bottom of the screen
[18:21] <omfarka> i am using ubuntu 10.04
[18:22] <BluesKaj> omfarka, ask in #ubuntu
[18:22] <omfarka> thanks
[18:22] <ngong> doing an apt-get update, I get "99% waiting for headlines" and it never finishes. Any idea how to overcome it?
[18:22] <theuros> i have dualboot ... what happens to my other OS if i install new version of ubuntu over old one ?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> which other OS ?
[18:24] <theuros> win xp
[18:24] <theuros> i ahve win xp and ubuntu
[18:25] <theuros> i want to install a new version of ubuntu over my old one .. clean install
[18:25] <BluesKaj> that will work fine , theuros
[18:25] <theuros> so i just install it over and thats it ?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yes, but make sure you use the manual install with formatting
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's best way to do a clean install IMO
[18:27] <calumayoo> can you mount a .zip file in kubuntu?
[18:28] <iconmefisto> seth: how did you use your 2nd disk before the upgrade? where was it mounted?
[18:28] <theuros> i will ....thanx for info
[18:30] <dolomite> calumayoo: I'm not aware of any software that'll allow you to mount a .zip
[18:30] <dolomite> you can extract it
[18:31] <seth> iconmefisto: I'm not sure what you mean. When I needed to use it, I just clicked on "Places" and mounted itfrom the drop down menu with a password I set up.
[18:31] <calumayoo> i extracted it...  here trying to install ms office 07 using playonlinux....thanks dolomite
[18:31] <dolomite> np
[18:32] <iconmefisto> seth: so it's not listed in places any more
[18:33] <seth> iconmefisto: No. It has disappeared.
[18:35] <dolomite> iconmefisto: sudo blkid in a terminal should give you information about your drives
[18:38] <dolomite> then you can mount your "2nd disk" using sudo mount
[18:39] <seth> dolomite: how do I know which one to mount?
[18:39] <phrozen> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.   - can someone help me?
[18:40] <ubnuntu_giant> Hello. Is there any way to indent by tab in Kate as opposed to indenting by spaces?
[18:41] <phrozen> If I am trying to add a a wired by GUI and when I am checking avaiable for all users then it is deleting
[18:41] <dolomite> seth: how many entries does it give? it doesn't hurt to go down the list and try to mount them all
[18:41] <dolomite> seth: that is, if you don't know which one is the drive you're trying to mount
[18:41] <phrozen> hmm I am trying to mount eth0
[18:41] <phrozen> but I can not
[18:41] <seth> dolomite: Ok, I'll try them all. brb
[18:41] <phrozen> how can I do that?
[18:42] <iconmefisto> phrozen: ifconfig eth0 up  ??
[18:42] <phrozen> it is not solving the problem .. if I type eth0 I can see eth0 configuration
[18:42] <phrozen> I can ping site eq ping google.com
[18:42] <dolomite> phrozen: are you using knetworkmanager? consider switching to wicd
[18:43] <phrozen> but my FF or Opera can not open site
[18:43] <phrozen> no I am using gnome
[18:43] <dolomite> phrozen: have you edited the /etc/network/interfaces file or is it standard?
[18:43] <phrozen> I edited but now it is standard
[18:44] <tazz> i forgot the name of the app to upgrade my kubuntu install.
[18:44] <tazz> anyone here remember?
[18:44] <dolomite> tazz: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:44] <dolomite> ?
[18:45] <seth> dolomite: I'm really new to this. This what I get.../dev/sda5: UUID="5e985a84-0f6d-48d8-a5e6-b272cd5ab752" TYPE="swap"
[18:45] <seth> /dev/sdb1: UUID="5294658A94657181" TYPE="ntfs"
[18:45] <seth> /dev/sda1: UUID="f41fa519-c086-45d1-a501-e6f588e03894" TYPE="ext4"
[18:45] <seth> When you say, to use sudo mount...what
[18:45] <FloodBotK1> seth: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:45] <yofel> tazz: you mean from karmic?
[18:45] <tazz> dolomite,  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[18:45] <seth> Sorry.
[18:45] <tazz> yofel, up
[18:45] <tsimpson> !upgrade
[18:45] <tazz> from 9.10 to 10.04
[18:45] <dolomite> seth: example- sudo mount /dev/sdb1
[18:46] <moderndayzero> hello everyone
[18:46] <yofel> !upgrade | tazz
[18:46] <tazz> yofel, yes i am, thanks for pointing it out.
[18:46] <phrozen> dolomite any ideas? how can I solve problem with my network? I can not see an icon with wired connection near clock and etc, and at network manager none wireds
[18:47] <dolomite> phrozen: so you can't add a wired connection in network manager?
[18:47] <phrozen> yup that is true ... but it is not only problem
[18:48] <phrozen> it is after upgrade to 10.04 ;/
[18:48] <seth> dolomite: It didn't work.
[18:48] <phrozen> from 9.04
[18:48] <yofel> phrozen: if you plug the cable in it should use a dhcp connection by default
[18:48] <dolomite> phrozen: in your /etc/network/interfaces, are there the lines auto eth0 and iface etho0 inet dhcp?
[18:48] <phrozen> yea I was trying but it is not ;/
[18:49] <phrozen> nop it is not
[18:49] <yofel> phrozen: you did upgrade to 9.10 first? direct upgrades from 9.04 to 10.04 aren't supported and not guaranteed to work (more like I have no idea what that does to the system)
[18:49] <phrozen> 9.10 - 10.04
[18:49] <yofel> ok
[18:50] <phrozen> auto lo
[18:51] <phrozen> iface lo inet loopback
[18:51] <phrozen> auto eth0
[18:51] <phrozen> iface etho0 inet dhcp
[18:51] <phrozen> #auto eth0
[18:51] <FloodBotK1> phrozen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:51] <phrozen> #iface eth0 inet static
[18:51] <phrozen>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[18:51] <yofel> phrozen: erm, can you please remove the eth0 connection from interfaces? we had issues with that during testing
[18:52] <yofel> also network manager will ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:54] <tsimpson> phrozen: use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:55] <phrozen> yofel : I deleted it and now I am restarting comp
[19:00] <phrozen> STILL THE SAME PROBLEM ... no icon with wired connection, interfaces is clear . ehhh
[19:00] <phrozen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/426006/
[19:00] <phrozen> link from ifconfig
[19:02] <yofel> phrozen: can you check if 'knetworkmanager' is running? (ps -e, top, systemmonitor,...)
[19:04] <phrozen> it is
[19:05] <phrozen> i think it is a problem with dns
[19:05] <yofel> phrozen: and the ifconfig output looks fine (except that I don't recognise the address, no home network I guess)
[19:05] <yofel> phrozen: then check your /etc/resolv.conf, that has the DNS information
[19:09] <plush> wow. the netbook remix is the biggest pile of shit i have ever seen
[19:09] <plush> who uses this rubbish?
[19:09] <tsimpson> !language | plush
[19:10] <calumayoo> goodnyt guys! :) thanks for all the help today.. and the other day included... its 2:00 am. lol thanks
[19:23] <StevenR> ok... what's the macos-like panel thing for ubuntu/kubuntu called please?
[19:24] <CartoonCat> ok yay failing to boot after upgrading
[19:24] <CartoonCat> getting a mountall seg fault
[19:25] <yofel> StevenR: do you mean cairo-dock ?
[19:25] <CartoonCat> ideas on how to recover?
[19:26] <dolomite> CartoonCat: can you get into the recovery mode?
[19:28] <phrozen__> postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[19:28] <phrozen__> can it be a problem...
[19:28] <phrozen__> with my internet connection
[19:29] <yofel> if you're trying to run bind9 maybe, had that error too, nobody seems to want to take care of it
[19:29] <CartoonCat> dolomite: mm, if i knew what the recovery kernel name was, then maybe
[19:30] <dolomite> do you have a grub menu?
[19:30] <dolomite> it's usually the same kernel but in parenthesis (recovery mode)
[19:30] <CartoonCat> i do not use the k/ubunt loader, i use my gentoo grub, so i only have the default kernel listed
[19:30] <len_> how do you remove a stuck, hidden, or not visable widget?  I the lcd weather widget stuck under the cashew where I can't get to it.  I can see it, but it is covered by the cashew.
[19:31] <yofel> CartoonCat: then edit the kernel line and replace 'quiet splash' with 'single' as that's the only difference
[19:31] <CartoonCat> i do not have that on my kernel line
[19:32] <yofel> CartoonCat: well, then just add single
[19:32] <CartoonCat> it is kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-20-generic root=/dev/sda7
[19:32] <CartoonCat> just add it to the end or ?
[19:32] <yofel> yes
[19:33] <unholyskorn> Somehow I messed up my video drivers
[19:33] <yofel> my recovery kernel line here is "        linux   /vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-preempt root=UUID=30e41245-f7b8-4e7b-aa38-a5b3aa2cc044 ro single "
[19:33] <unholyskorn> Can anyone help me fix them?
[19:33] <CartoonCat> ty yofel i wil ldo that
[19:34] <yofel> unholyskorn: tell us the issue and we'll try
[19:34] <unholyskorn> I installed ati drivers that where not correct for me
[19:34] <unholyskorn> my card is too old and i didnt know that
[19:34] <unholyskorn> now my glx is broken when i do glxinfo
[19:34] <unholyskorn> i removed the ati drivers already i think
[19:35] <CartoonCat> nope still segfaulted
[19:35] <yofel> unholyskorn: make sure you remove the driver package and that /etc/X11/xorg.conf isn't there
[19:35] <CartoonCat> init:plymouth main process (82) killed by SEGV signal
[19:36] <unholyskorn> How do I delete xorg.conf?
[19:37] <oxymoron> Does anyone use Kdevelop4 here?
[19:38] <unholyskorn> I don't have a xorg.config file in /etc/x11
[19:38] <unholyskorn> i only have a xorg.config.failsafe
[19:39] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:39] <yofel> unholyskorn: ok... then that isn't the issue
[19:40] <unholyskorn> somehow the ati drivers messed something up
[19:40] <unholyskorn> can i somehow just redo the stock ones?
[19:40] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:42] <yofel> unholyskorn: can you run 'sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf' and make sure it's set to mesa?
[19:42] <saintly> and again..
[19:42] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:42] <dolomite> saintly: once is enough. if anyone can answer your question, they will
[19:42] <saintly> ;)
[19:42] <saintly> alrighty there.
[19:42] <unholyskorn> /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf
[19:43] <StevenR> yofel: probably. trying now. Thanks :)
[19:43] <ads> Cool - just moved a notify message around - plasma crashed. (kubuntu 9.10)
[19:43] <yofel> unholyskorn: hm... then maybe try to run 'sudo ldconfig' and try to restart X, if that doesn't help then at least I am out of ideas
[19:44] <unholyskorn> Crazy how I make one mistake and this os is crippled
[19:44] <unholyskorn> and no one knows how to fix it
[19:44] <ner0x> So where did kdevelop go in kubuntu 10.4?
[19:45] <saintly> Unholyskorn: lol not quite the support team of a windows OS eh? ;)
[19:45] <unholyskorn> Nope, not even close
[19:45] <ner0x> unholyskorn: It's for those with thick skin.
[19:46] <unholyskorn> Yeah i've used linux for a while
[19:46] <unholyskorn> just this new crap not supporting my card and eating dirt cause i installed the drivers i usually do pisses me off
[19:46] <unholyskorn> and now no one knows how to just put it back without totally reformatting
[19:47] <yofel> unholyskorn: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and what is your precise issue again?
[19:47] <unholyskorn> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[19:47] <ner0x> It's an easy fix. nvidia?
[19:47] <unholyskorn> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[19:47] <unholyskorn> ATi
[19:47] <unholyskorn> older card tho, X800XT
[19:47] <yofel> ok, get us your xorg.log please
[19:47] <unholyskorn> k hold on bro
[19:47] <ner0x> I, personally, and not really satisfied with 10.4.
[19:48] <unholyskorn> No sh*t
[19:48] <ner0x> s/and/am
[19:49] <_abhishek> Hi I ma trying to upgrade to lucid from 9.10 but its giving error  Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127. any idea what's the problem
[19:49] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197170
[19:50] <dolomite> _abhishek: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.ubuntu.com
[19:50] <saintly> what are the minimum sys requirements for Kubuntu 10.04
[19:51] <mrub> i don't have sound playing flash videos in my browser. when i start firefox/konqueror from terminal it returns "ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" while playing. any solution?
[19:51] <yofel> ner0x: and kdevelop4 should be available in lucid-backports soonn
[19:51] <ner0x> yofel: How soon is 'soon' ? :)
[19:52] <_abhishek> dolomite: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426033/
[19:52] <dolomite> _abhishek: please edit that file as root and change all karmic references to lucid.
[19:52] <dolomite> _abhishek: then save and exit. run sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <dolomite> _abhishek: and try the distro upgrade again
[19:53] <_abhishek> dolomite: sure one min let me try
[19:54] <yofel> ner0x: very soon, the 4.0.0 release was uploaded yesterday and is stuck in the archive admin approval queue I think https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1
[19:54] <elisionista> Good afternoon
[19:54] <dolomite> hi
[19:55] <yofel> ner0x: go to the architecture you need and get the .debs if you can't wait :P (and -data from i386)
[19:55] <elisionista> I have a question that I would like someone to answer...
[19:55] <dolomite> we'll try
[19:55] <ner0x> I may just go back to 9.10 for a month or so until everything get resolved.
[19:56] <elisionista> how to send image using IM software in kubuntu
[19:56] <elisionista> I tried some software but none worked
[19:57] <dolomite> elisionista: try imageshack.us to host your photo
[19:57] <dolomite> and give the URL to your conversant
[19:57] <elisionista> using MSN protocol I mean
[19:57] <yofel> ner0x: that would be possible too, the kdevelop release was simply too late to include it in lucid from the beginning
[19:58] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197170 any ideas?
[19:58] <elisionista> Is not for my computer, so I cant make a print right now
[19:58] <unholyskorn> when i run gears i get Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[19:58] <unholyskorn> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[19:58] <elisionista> but someone must have  the same problem as I am
[19:58] <lukin> hi for all
[19:58] <yofel> from the log: (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[19:58] <yofel> hm...
[19:58] <elisionista> must be some librarys missing
[19:59] <unholyskorn> Any ideas how to fix it?
[19:59] <yofel> unholyskorn: you didn't by chance use the ati driver from the ati website?
[19:59] <unholyskorn> Yeah :(
[19:59] <yofel> :(
[19:59] <unholyskorn> I used to newest one for linux didn't know it wasn't right
[19:59] <yofel> unholyskorn: first, try to reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[20:00] <ner0x> yofel: Yeah, I might just hang out in 9.10 for a month or so. I'm sure everything will be fixed by then.
[20:00] <yofel> it should be, will propably take a week or so I think
[20:01] <unholyskorn> How do I reinstall it?
[20:01] <ner0x> Yeah, that way any other silly bugs will be taken care of as well.
[20:01] <yofel> unholyskorn: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[20:01] <unholyskorn> k brb while its installing
[20:02] <dolomite> elisionista: what do you mean it's not for your computer?
[20:07] <ikhider> hello, just now I upgraded kubuntu to 10.04 as per the gui prompt and the computer crashed mid upgrade. now I have no GUI. How can I continue the upgrade from command prompt?
[20:09] <ikhider> the xorg.conf does not work
[20:09] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197187 Does this look like it worked?
[20:09] <yofel> ikhider: first login on the command prompt, then run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[20:10] <yofel> unholyskorn: does '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' exist now?
[20:10] <yofel> if yes, try to restart X
[20:11] <unholyskorn> how do i restart x?  just restart the computer or?
[20:11] <ikhider> yofel: I get a whack o dependency problems, it will not proceed
[20:11] <unholyskorn> Sorry i'm rusty lol
[20:11] <yofel> unholyskorn: logout and login again
[20:11] <unholyskorn> Thanks bro, brb
[20:12] <yofel> ikhider: then try 'sudo apt-get install -f' first instead
[20:13] <_abhishek> dolomite: is there any command which I can execute from terminal because after changing the sources.list file now my Software Update manager not showing the update to 10.04 option
[20:13] <ikhider> yofel: It seems to be doing something...building...replacing...sounds good...
[20:13] <dolomite> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:14] <yofel> ikhider: that command is supposed to try to fix any broken dependencies, if it does something then that's good
[20:14] <yofel> ikhider: after that run dist-upgrade again
[20:14] <ikhider> yofel: Errors were encountered while processing linux headers and sub processes
[20:14] <_abhishek> dolomite: thanks
[20:14] <ikhider> yofel: It stopped again. Do you suggest I use a download disc and install that o way?
[20:15] <progre55> hi people! what the hack is nspluginviewer and why is it eating up my cpu??
[20:15] <unholyskorn> Got me some gears
[20:16] <yofel> ikhider: probably, if it still errors out then it might be pretty broken
[20:16] <dolomite> progre55: nspluginviewer is used by konqueror to be able to use plugins
[20:16] <_abhishek> progre55: I think its flash plugin's part in firefox
[20:16] <ikhider> I should never have hit upgrade. My bad for trusting the system
[20:16] <yofel> progre55: that should be nspluginwrapper and it's used to wrap 32bit flash in 64bit firefox
[20:16] <ikhider> Justy when I am in the middle of a project
[20:17] <ikhider> (is very, very angry)
[20:17] <unholyskorn> People still use compiz?
[20:18] <yofel> unholyskorn: not me, kwin works fine
[20:18] <dolomite> ikhider: try the alternate disc
[20:18] <ikhider> dolomite: Why?
[20:18] <dolomite> ikhider: it's your only option right?
[20:19] <ikhider> dolomite: I downloaded the 64 bit desktop edition
[20:19] <ikhider> dolomite: (or rather, am downloading)
[20:19] <yofel> for reinstalling it doesn't matter if you use alternate or desktop
[20:19] <progre55> oh I see
[20:19] <ikhider> Why on earth would it crash? Maybe 10.04 is not stable yet?
[20:20] <progre55> but I'm using libflashplayer.so from labs.adobe.com..
[20:20] <yofel> if it crashed during upgrade then what crashed was 9.10, not 10.04
[20:20] <progre55> and it's 64bit
[20:20] <ikhider> progre55: So 64 bit is not stable?
[20:20] <dolomite> oh I thought ikhider wanted to try the update from disc
[20:20] <progre55> oh wait, I'm using that for firefox.. and I had konqueror open..
[20:20] <ikhider> dolomite: No, I updated from the desk icon. Now I am updating from disc
[20:21] <progre55> damn I dont like this browser..
[20:21] <yofel> oh update, never tried that from disk
[20:21] <progre55> ikhider, yofel, dolomite: are there any more efficient flash players for konqueror?
[20:21] <dolomite> yofel: the update can only be done with the alternate disk right?
[20:22] <yofel> dolomite: no idea, as I said: I never tried it
[20:22] <progre55> 64bit especially
[20:22] <ikhider> Sorry, I am too enraged to think clearly. I mean update to 10.04 (MISTAKE!Q
[20:22] <yofel> progre55: I use 64bit flash fine here in firefox, don't know how konqueror works
[20:22] <ikhider> If time is an issue, I might have to try and figure how to use Damn Small Linux
[20:23] <progre55> yofel: I also use firefox mostly under ubuntu, but yesterday installed kde..
[20:23] <progre55> oh btw, how do you set firefox as the default browser here?
[20:23] <progre55> in kde
[20:23] <yofel> progre55: systemsettings -> default applications -> web browser
[20:24] <progre55> yofel: thanks
[20:25] <floown> hello
[20:25] <dolomite> ikhider: it's my understanding that to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04, you need the alternate cd
[20:25] <progre55> yofel: do I choose "in the following browser" and select a path to firefox?
[20:25] <dolomite> (failing the online method)
[20:25] <floown> Plymouth is uggly in my Kubuntu. How can I fixe it please?
[20:26] <yofel> progre55: yes (or just put 'firefox' in the text field)
[20:27] <progre55> yofel: awesome, thanks man, appreciate
[20:32] <unholyskorn> wow this os is buggy
[20:34] <unholyskorn> 3rd crash today...
[20:34] <unholyskorn> just using simple crap like setting up kwin
[20:36] <unholyskorn> what the hell
[20:37] <SliderMan> hello everyone, i have installed the ati drivers through the hardware module in kubuntu but somehow it seem not to work currectly is there anything i could do to fix it?
[20:38] <unholyskorn> 4th crash WOOHOO
[20:39] <zus> is clam anti virus worth installing? and how good is it?
[20:42] <James147> zus: its only really useful if you shave alot of files with windows. Linuxs its self dosnt have many viruses on it
[20:42] <James147> share ^^
[20:43] <zus> James147,  i do not share files with windows but im on the network with 2 windows users and my desktop share notifications are popping up with one of the pc tryinng to talk to my pc...
[20:44] <zus> James147,  am i sending an invititaion out? or is my friends laptop infected trying to get into whoever is on the network..?
[20:45] <James147> zus: There are very few viruses out there that affect linux mecheines so you should be safe to connect, just dont run anything as root that isent trusted
[20:46] <James147> zus: but i would get your friend to run an antivirus on their mechiene just incase :)
[20:47] <James147> zus: I would also advise not accepting anything that you dont know what it is just incase :S
[20:48] <zus> James147,  i get her getting avg right now.. i dont know what it is  my desktop sharing  is saying
[20:48] <unholyskorn> lol one of my relatives just called and i was like, WHAT? when i picked up the phone lol
[20:49] <zus> James147, refuse unimvited connection attemt from xxx.xxx.x.x (ip adress X'ed out)
[20:49] <James147> !virus | zus
[20:49] <James147> zus: you might find this intresting
[20:51] <zus> James147,  is something to do with  root and home  being on seprate partitions? cuz thats brilliant ! lol\
[20:52] <James147> zus: ^^ seprating / and /home shouldnt affect viruses at all, all the virsus would care about is the premision of / and /home (both should be owned by root)
[21:03] <zus> thanks James147  thats was a nice read...didnt think of the read/write permissions a virus would need
[21:09] <SliderMan> whats a good ssh client for kubuntu
[21:10] <BluesKaj> openssh
[21:10] <SliderMan> it has a UI?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> it will install both server and client
[21:10] <SliderMan> i dont want a server on my computer
[21:10] <SliderMan> just a ui client
[21:11] <BluesKaj> no ui
[21:11] <BluesKaj> just cli
[21:11] <SliderMan> nothiing else?
[21:11] <James147> SliderMan: a ssh client should be installed by default but has no UI, any reason you 'need' a ui?
[21:11] <BluesKaj> well, that's all I use
[21:11] <SliderMan> what ssh client is installed?
[21:12] <SliderMan> i want a UI so i can save a session
[21:12] <BluesKaj> check your package manager
[21:12] <James147> SliderMan: save a session?
[21:12] <SliderMan> yes
[21:12] <BluesKaj> oh like putty
[21:12] <SliderMan> when you type in an IP for ssh you can save that session and load it after without retyping the IP
[21:13] <SliderMan> yes putty style
[21:14] <BluesKaj> search in yourpackage manager, there might be one available
[21:14] <James147> SliderMan: not sure about a UI application, but ssh can use aliases so you dont ahve to remember the ip
[21:14] <SliderMan> so just type in ssh?
[21:15] <James147> SliderMan: ssh name  < and if name is stored in the aliases it will connect to the ip given to name
[21:15] <cjae> So if anyone cares, if you are having trouble with nouveau and tv out, and need to use the nvidia binary driver, but cannot get the nvidia settings gui to save to xorg. You must first run sudo nvidia-xconfig to get a copy of xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ then you must run sudo nvidia-settings and copy all the text from the show preview button. Then go to your home folder and create a new text file and paste all the text from the nvidia
[21:15] <cjae> -settings. Then chmod 644 to /home/yourname/xorg.conf and then move this file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[21:15] <SliderMan> how do i assign a name to an ip?
[21:16] <James147> SliderMan: http://www.innovatingtomorrow.net/2008/01/21/type-less-ssh-aliases  < try this
[21:18] <cjae> in 10.04
[21:18] <SliderMan> another one, how do i check 2d and 3d support in my system
[21:18] <sheytan> Hi guys
[21:18] <SliderMan> modprobe
[21:19] <sheytan> In karmic i had gimp in polish language out of box. In lucid i don't. Any ideas?
[21:19] <James147> cjae: should you not also "sudo chown root:root xorg.conf" as well?
[21:20] <SliderMan> James147, .ssh/config is empty
[21:20] <James147> SliderMan: create/modifiy it and add what the link told you to
[21:21] <SliderMan> ok ill
[21:21] <SliderMan> i think i have to restart for my ati driver to work
[21:21] <SliderMan> how do i check what modules were loaded and if my system has 2d/3d support?
[21:21] <SliderMan> there was also a command to check frames
[21:23] <BluesKaj> bah, typing a few commands to ssh isn't a big deal
[21:24] <zus> later guys thanks for the help again c-ya
[21:25] <James147> SliderMan: glxgears can test your 3d suppoort
[21:25] <James147> SliderMan: and glxinfo will give you some more information
[21:25] <ubuntu> k
[21:26] <SliderMan> how can i know whats good in glxinfo?
[21:26] <apparle> hi guys,,....
[21:26] <apparle> how is 10.04
[21:26] <SliderMan> its great
[21:27] <SliderMan> i have a bouncing ball!
[21:27] <James147> apparle: its good hear (fresh install) have heard a few problems with the upgrade though
[21:27] <SliderMan> seem to be ok
[21:27] <apparle> how is the upgrade from alpha2
[21:27] <SliderMan> 24802 frames in 5.0 seconds
[21:27] <SliderMan> is it good?
[21:27] <SliderMan> for glxgears
[21:28] <James147> apparle: upgrading from alpha should be less of an issue but how knows :D
[21:28] <James147> SliderMan: no clue, think it hihgly depends on your system hardware
[21:28] <progre55> hey guys, any fancy skype clients for kubuntu? or is it the standard skype that I need to use? :)
[21:28] <apparle> anyone found what is the keyboard shortcut to switch between tabs
[21:29] <James147> SliderMan: you doing alot better then me with 2039fp5s
[21:29] <progre55> oh and what are the shortcuts to switch between desktops?
[21:29] <apparle> James147: I have similar to you
[21:30] <James147> apparle: in what applications?
[21:30] <apparle> James147: the ones which we create using kwin
[21:30] <apparle> James147: grouping windows
[21:31] <James147> apparle: hmm, dont seem to ahve that option atm :S dose it require desktop effects to work?
[21:31] <apparle> no
[21:32] <apparle> actually i don't know
[21:32] <James147> apparle: might be bespin, one sec :S
[21:32] <apparle> James147:  you are on 10.04 right?
[21:32] <James147> apparle: yeah :D
[21:32] <James147> apparle: had the option in karmic though
[21:32]  * NJL is sure happy the upgrader works so well
[21:33] <apparle> James147: had you upgraded to KDE4.4
[21:33] <James147> apparle: the only way to get tabbed windows :)
[21:34] <James147> apparle:  :( it was bespin
[21:34] <apparle> James147: so you are not getting that option in 10.04.....
[21:34] <NJL> anybody have any idea how to make the tab plugin for Kate stay put?
[21:34] <James147> apparle: the option isnt there if you use the bespin window styles
[21:34] <apparle> James147: bespin?
[21:34] <saintly> bahh quit my a$$
[21:35] <progre55> I've added a panel, and how do I add applications into it? the menus only say "add widget"
[21:35] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update.
[21:35] <apparle> saintly: what happened
[21:35] <SliderMan> so james147, my card seem to be installed properly?
[21:35] <apparle> progre55: just drag
[21:35] <James147> SliderMan:  i would think so,  glxinfo will give you more details
[21:35] <saintly> ive downloaded the iso 3 times now, my computer keeps hibernating and stopping it from finishing, like half a MB before its done.
[21:35] <progre55> apparle: thanks, let me try )
[21:36] <SliderMan> so james147, what should i look for in glxinfo?
[21:36] <James147> apparle: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928 < bespin
[21:37] <scott_j> im using KUbuntu Lucid on my Dell Inspiron Laptop..while watching online video, my laptop shuts down automatically...on restarting, i get the message "Critical Temperature reached (92 C) shutting down" and then the desktop comes up
[21:37] <James147> apparle: hmm, having the windows disapear when i click on one tab then back on the first :s
[21:37] <janmalte> is there a deb for kdevelop 4?
[21:37] <scott_j> any way to fix this ?
[21:37] <saintly> 500.1 KiB/s
[21:37] <saintly> woot
[21:37] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update. any ideers? anyone?
[21:39] <scott_j> could this be a hardware issue ?
[21:39] <James147> janmalte: its in the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta  (or possibally the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports now) ppa  you can enable them, installed it and disable them if you dont want the other upgrades
[21:39] <apparle> saintly: use a download manager like kget or downthemall
[21:39] <janmalte> thanks
[21:39] <James147> saintly: If you can i suggest torrents, they can resume if you stop them 1/2 way though :) (or at least for next time)
[21:40] <janmalte> i just read about id at kde planet
[21:40] <janmalte> so i weant to have a look at at
[21:40] <saintly> alright, and what is kget?
[21:40] <apparle> saintly: google or use kpackage kit
[21:40] <James147> saintly: it is a downlaod manager that lets you pause/resume downlaods as well as other things
[21:41] <ratdog> :/
[21:41] <saintly> is it useable in Konsole?
[21:41] <James147> janmalte: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4
[21:42] <James147> saintly: its a gui application
[21:42] <fanti> hello! after upgrading to lucid my splash-screen at boot time looks very ugly. any ideas?
[21:42] <apparle> saintly: just install it
[21:42] <apparle> fanti: nvidia?
[21:42] <abhifx> hi there. my plymouth doesnt work with the error could not connect to plymouth. can anyone help?
[21:43] <fanti> apparle: ati with fglrx
[21:43] <SliderMan> it looks ugly for me too
[21:43] <janmalte> thanks James147, so i have to switch to lucid tommorow i think :)
[21:43] <James147> janmalte: it was in the ppas for karmic i think as well (or at least the betas for it where)
[21:43] <apparle> fanti: I dunno but I have heard nvidia guys have loser boot screen
[21:44] <James147> apparle: makes me not want to enable the nvidia drivers just yet :S
[21:44] <janmalte> ok, i will have a look. But i really need to switch to get a clean home directory and starting with a fresh and clean kubuntu :)
[21:44] <janmalte> thanks for the information
[21:45] <apparle> James147: who cares about the bootscreen .... on my computer I can't even see it
[21:45] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update. any ideers? anyone?
[21:46] <apparle> ratdog: start konsol
[21:46] <BluesKaj> ratdog, what's the error message ?
[21:46] <James147> apparle: :( i am just glad dual screen works with the open drivers now :) before i kept forgetting to unplug my monitor before using a live cd :(
[21:46] <coreberserker> fanti before upgrading to lucid did you have the fglrx drivers installed?
[21:47] <fanti> coreberserker: yes and everything worked fine
[21:47] <ratdog> BluesKaj where can i paste it
[21:47] <BluesKaj> !paste
[21:47] <apparle> !paste > ratdog
[21:47] <coreberserker> uninstall them and reboot and see if its still there
[21:48] <coreberserker> fanti I had the same problem but after removing the fglrx drivers it worked fine and you should still be able to use desktop effects
[21:49] <coreberserker> with out the drivers install* sorry  xD
[21:49] <fanti> coreberserker: i like to have the hardware acceleration support from fglrx, so i don't change the driver
[21:51] <progre55> hey guys, what are the shortcuts to switch between desktops?
[21:51] <seb_> hi there
[21:51] <seb_> ctrl F1, F2 etc
[21:51] <ratdog> BluesKaj http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:51] <seb_> what is the default package manager for kubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:52] <ratdog> thats mIRCsCripts pastebin >:>
[21:52] <coreberserker> fanti Ahh okay
[21:52] <ratdog> i had trouble with yers
[21:52] <seb_> hi
[21:52] <seb_> what is the default package manager for kubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:52] <seb_> kpackagekit ?
[21:52] <ratdog> yes
[21:53] <seb_> what a crap
[21:53] <ratdog> is it erroring?
[21:53] <apparle> seb_: have to do with it
[21:53] <anistein> you can set you own shortcut to switch desktop if you want
[21:54] <apparle> seb_: I prefer konsole apt-get
[21:54] <seb_> it's just almost useless tool. Just good for updates.
[21:54] <ratdog> thats nice
[21:54] <seb_> no
[21:54] <apparle> anistein: are you asking or answering
[21:54] <ep> For a karmic to lucid upgrage,  is a fresh install preferable to upgrading via some package manager or is it relatively equivalent?   ln the opinion you you folks.  ;)
[21:54] <ratdog> synaptic is superior to kpackage
[21:54] <seb_> search + update are okay. The rest is shit
[21:54] <janmalte> James147: just for your information. i can't find packages of kdevelop 4 for karmic
[21:54] <anistein> answering
[21:54] <apparle> ratdog: synaptic is very old
[21:54] <anistein> someone asked for the default short cut
[21:54] <ratdog> but worx apparle
[21:54] <apparle> kpackagekit is growing
[21:54] <janmalte> but i will switch to lucid in the next days
[21:55] <seb_> no listing of packages available on the system, or categories ....
[21:55] <apparle> ratdog: old as in mature
[21:55] <ratdog> i see
[21:55] <James147_> janmalte: if you ahve the backport or beta ppas then its just "kdevelop" i think
[21:55] <seb_> yes kpackagkit is growing, so sloooowwww. For me I see only cosmetic changes only since a YEAR now.
[21:55] <ratdog> anyhow BluesKaj or apparle can you have a look,  http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:56] <janmalte> i just found 3.9.95
[21:56] <_rs> hi guys this ->  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4 does not work. No kdevelop package after adding backports and updating the package list
[21:56] <apparle> ratdog: I am not sure but it is selected as standard because it can be used for yum etc for fedora etc... maintaining  consistency across different distros
[21:56] <James147_> seb_: kpackage kit dose have a category filter (located at the top on the line with the search text box)
[21:57] <James147_> janmalte: thats the beta (or alph) version of 4
[21:57] <ratdog> _rs you have the same probelm as me i thimk
[21:57] <ratdog> n
[21:57] <seb_> I don't want a filter per category for with a fucking string as input. I want just all packages within a category.
[21:57] <OxDeadC0de> has anyone had any success with the cpu frequency scaling applet(s) in 10.04?
[21:58] <ratdog> http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:58] <ratdog> _rs look at that
[21:58] <ratdog> look familiar
[21:58] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Which applets would those be?
[21:58] <_rs> ratdog: ok then, so it's not only me, I'll patiently wait for a fix
[21:58] <OxDeadC0de> benkay the cpu frequency scaling applets they would be, since those are the ones I mentioned
[21:59] <seb_> And honestly this drop down filter where you have to choose all options one by one is just, oh my good, so borring. I can't beleive the guy who wrote it uses it.
[21:59] <_rs> ratdog: no, I don't find the package to install, it's not there
[21:59] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Sorry... which applet specifically are you trying to use? Is it one of the system monitors plasmoids?
[21:59] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86:  'cpu frequency scaling'
[22:00] <ratdog> apparle did you look at my post b y chance?
[22:00] <seb_> synaptic is much better, unfortunatly depends on the gnome shit dependancies.
[22:00] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: that's exactly what they're named
[22:00] <ratdog> seb_ yea :/
[22:00] <seb_> I wonder what mandriva or Suse use for packages.
[22:00] <ratdog> SuSE uses yast
[22:00] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: What package are they from?
[22:00] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: they're not, there are two in get hot new stuff, the ruby and python version, and a c++ version in playground
[22:00] <seb_> ratdog: honestly why the fuck Riddell & Co keep using the crap that is kpackagekit ?!?!
[22:01] <ratdog> hell yer askin me
[22:01] <apparle> BluesKaj: does 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' do the job of update or do I have to do it via package manager
[22:01] <moderndayzero> any one ever use mupen64 or vba?
[22:01] <apparle> ratdog: I don't know anyting about it
[22:01] <ratdog> thx
[22:01] <ratdog> :/
[22:01] <James147> seb_: selecting one of the catogories will disaply all packages in it with out a string filter
[22:02] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Like this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cpu+Frequency+Selector+Ruby?content=92573
[22:02]  * ratdog uses synaptic to reinstall kPackage
[22:02] <ratdog> lol
[22:02] <OxDeadC0de> yes, like that
[22:02] <seb_> clearly Suse or mandriva must be better for KDE. I ve been using kubuntu for 5 years now and this the last release I use. The quality has dropped so much, it's unbearable.
[22:02] <apparle> ratdog: have you ever tried apt-get
[22:02] <ratdog> yes
[22:03] <kaitos> did anyone else's compositing stop working after upgrading to lucid?
[22:03] <seb_> James147: thx let try that
[22:03] <ratdog> sudo apt-get update will work too?
[22:03] <adam__> hack me
[22:03] <adam__> ;p
[22:03] <seb_> category aare called "group" in kapackagekit
[22:04] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I tried installing that and got "Installing the package... failed." Is that what you got?
[22:04] <seb_> only 7 of them ,,,
[22:04] <apparle> ratdog: that will just update the lists
[22:04] <seb_> on my god
[22:04] <ratdog> o
[22:04] <seb_> hmm my mistake
[22:04] <James147> seb_: I have more tehn 7 (theres a scrool bar)
[22:04] <seb_> James147: right
[22:04] <James147> baa, tpying :(
[22:05] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: no, I'm using the c++ version, it loads and runs, but even after setting chmod +x on '/usr/bin/cpufreq-selector' it doesn't work, and manually executing cpufreq-selector takes 1-3 minutes for it to select the frequency I told it to
[22:05] <seb_> the user experience is ....
[22:05] <ep> For a karmic to lucid upgrage,  is a fresh install preferable to upgrading via some package manager or is it relatively equivalent?  I know in the old days, a fresh install was preferable but maybe things have improved.
[22:06] <seb_> so many options to choose in 2 square inches. the guy should look at what synaptic does do make good use of the real estate screen.
[22:06] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Could you give me a link to the version you installed?
[22:06] <seb_> I mean the designer of kpackagekit
[22:06] <apparle> ratdog: just wait for a min I'll get back to you
[22:06] <OxDeadC0de> kde's svn playground
[22:06] <ratdog> ok
[22:07] <James147> ep: I think a few people have had problems with the upgrade and I tend to prefure a fresh install :)  but if you create a livecd/usb you can always try the upgrade, and if it failes do a fresh
[22:07] <moderndayzero> yes fresh install all the way
[22:07] <seb_> since my upgrade to 10.04, KDE compositing is not working anymore with ATI fglrx. Anyone else encountering similar PB ?
[22:08] <kaitos> seb_: mine isn't working either, but i'm using the free driver
[22:08] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: ...
[22:08] <seb_> can you try fglrx ?
[22:08] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Sorry, but frankly, if it's not packaged, and it's unstable enought to be in SVN, you're probably looking for help in the wrong channel.
[22:09] <unholyskorn> I have a game I downloaded, it is a .sh file.  How do I install this game and play it?
[22:09] <OxDeadC0de> benkay somthing in ubuntu has changed, and is not allowing the applet _I wrote_ to work, something to do with cpu frequency scaling. So yeah, this is a right channel.
[22:09] <tukangturu> can help me
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> and SVN is not for unstable stuff dude
[22:10] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, well you failed to mention that *you* wrote the code ;-)
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> lol
[22:10] <James147> unholyskorn: usually ./scriptname.sh   (or "sh scriptname.sh")
[22:10] <clintc_home> 10.4 did not like my ps/2 keyboard and mouse... it would just forget it had them at random times... runs great now with all usb stuff... noting this as a headsup to others
[22:11] <apparle> ratdog: do-release-upgrade is the command line upgrade software
[22:11] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Let's see... /trunk/playground/ where exactly am I looking now?
[22:11] <adam__> k3ops   EAT THISSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[22:11] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86:  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/cpufrequency-selector/
[22:11] <ratdog> apparle in konsole
[22:11] <unholyskorn> Is the default install drivers the best drivers for my video card?  ATi x800xt
[22:12] <apparle> ratdog: ya but I have never used it... I never do upgrades
[22:12] <ratdog> no new release
[22:13] <ratdog> interesting command
[22:13] <unholyskorn> yay, heroes of newerth for linux
[22:14] <ratdog> i reinstalled kpackage with synaptic, no luck
[22:14] <apparle> ratdog: sudo apt-get update and then do that
[22:14] <ratdog> ok
[22:15] <cjae> James147: does it matter?
[22:15] <James147> cjae: you should have user owned files where they shouldnet be
[22:15] <James147> shouldent ^^
[22:16] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from?
[22:16] <ratdog> same error
[22:16] <ratdog> it only happen when i press refresh
[22:17] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: looks like I need to update some of the source, the moc file in the repo is to old.. and I keep getting /usr/include/plasma/animator.h:26:37: error: QtCore/QAbstractAnimation: No such file or directory ><
[22:17] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from which version
[22:17]  * OxDeadC0de upgraded from 9.10 where it worked fine..
[22:17] <ratdog> georgiatech is the server apparle
[22:18] <ratdog> its a fresh install apparle
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from 8.04?
[22:18] <ratdog> im on Lynx
[22:18] <ratdog> fresh
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: so where is the problem
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: it should be uptodate
[22:18] <ratdog> kpackakerm
[22:18] <ratdog> erm
[22:18] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Well, that's clearly a distinct problem. I was hoping that http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/classSolid_1_1Processor.html would offer some means of setting the frequency, but alas...
[22:19] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I mean, it seems silly to have a KDE plasmoid depend on the gnome-applets package.
[22:19] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: For cpufreq-selector.
[22:19] <ratdog> apparle heres the error, http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[22:19] <ratdog> er,
[22:19] <apparle> ratdog: if you are just updateing the system
[22:19] <apparle> ratdog: do this "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[22:20] <apparle> ratdog: I thought you were trying to update from older version to 10.04 :D
[22:20] <cjae> James147: doesnt chmod do that?
[22:20] <ratdog> lol
[22:20] <ratdog> :)
[22:21] <cjae> James147: thought it was just two different ways of doing it
[22:21] <James147> cjae: chmod changes the premision on the file, not the owner
[22:21] <apparle> ratdog: those two commands do everything except an upgrade to newer version of distro :D
[22:21] <ratdog> somthins wrong with ok thnx
[22:21] <ratdog> oops
[22:21] <ratdog> ok thnx
[22:21] <James147> cjae: chmod will change read write and execute, chown will change the owner and group
[22:21] <ratdog> cause somthins buggy with kpackage in Linx
[22:21] <cjae> James147: but I thought essentially they are the same thing
[22:22] <ratdog> Lynx
[22:22] <James147> cjae: not at all
[22:23] <James147> cjae: if one person owns the file with 700 premision then someone else cant edit it, if you chown it to a new user then the first cant edit it but the new user can
[22:23] <penguin> I can't get kubuntu to run in virtualbox
[22:24] <cjae> James147: how to check ownership again?
[22:24] <penguin> I can't get kubuntu to run in virtualbox. Can you help?
[22:24] <moderndayzero> so yea i was messing with VBA and the sound lags any clue?
[22:25] <James147> cjae: ls -l    will give you a list of files in teh current directory along with their premissions and owner  (add a path to the end to list the files in that path)
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: the applet doesn't depend on gnome-applets, it depends on cpufrequtils :P
[22:26] <OxDeadC0de> and the cpufreq modules in the kernel ofc
[22:26] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: So here we have a way to change the cpu *policy* with solid, but it's not clear if we can actually set the frequency directly: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdebase-workspace-apidocs/solid/html/classSolidPowermanagement.html
[22:26] <James147> penguin: can you give more details on why you cant run it? (what host, where it fails etc) we need more information to be able to help
[22:27] <cjae> James147: so what would be the all in one command to set own and perm for xorg.conf
[22:27] <penguin> I installed kubuntu in virtualbox and it won't boot! It's stuck on the kubuntu loading screen!
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: the applet in question simply uses "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu%s/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies" to retreive available frequencies (and a file in that dir for governers, then two more files in that dir for current freq/gov)
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: then it uses cpufreq-selector cli app and exec() to change them
[22:28] <ubuntu> hi
[22:29] <penguin> i'm waiting...
[22:29] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, indeed. You're using cpufreq-set rather than cpufreq-selector. That makes a lot more sense.
[22:29] <James147> cjae: sudo chown root:root /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo chmod 644 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:30] <OxDeadC0de> ohhh yeah so I am, "cpufreq-set -c %s -g userspace"
[22:31] <James147> cjae: that will make the owner and group root and allow root to read/write and everyone else to read it
[22:31] <James147> cjae: if you use 600 instead then no one will be able to read it (execpt root)
[22:31] <cjae> James147: thank you for answering, I would have totally forgot about that it been awhile since had to do anything like this :/ but good practice :)
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> ... or "cpufreq-set -c " + QString::number(top->cpu) + " -f " + (*iter).orig;
[22:32] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Out of curiosity, have you checked to see if some other app (maybe powerdevil) is switching the governor away from userspace on you? That would certainly prevent you from setting the frequency manually.
[22:32] <ryrych> hello, after clean install I'm experiencing sudden restarts of KDE (to login screen) - how can I check (in which log) which app is responsible for?
[22:32] <James147> cjae: you welcome :)
[22:32] <James147> your :( why do i keep missing keys :S
[22:32]  * cjae appologizes to ubuntu for not putting a complete workaround earlier
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: it's not that, I was able to manually set the frequency&governor through the cli, but I used selector and not set
[22:33] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Did you get any potentially useful info from exec()?
[22:34] <penguin> Here. I'm running virtualbox and downloaded the new 10.04 of kubuntu yesterday. I installed it and tried to boot from it and all it does is go to the booting screen and freezes up! Can you help?
[22:35] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: http://pastebin.com/LUxqDE0Z
[22:35] <penguin> come on! is anyone listening!!?!?!?!?
[22:36] <James147> penguin: we are, just not entirly sure whats wrong
[22:36] <benkay86> penguin: It sometimes takes people a little while to respond.
[22:37] <chilan> penguin: i just booted the kubuntu 10.04 in a kvm
[22:37] <penguin> oh. and the installer is SUPER SLOW on virtualbox also.
[22:37]  * James147 is installing vbox now....
[22:38] <OxDeadC0de> hahaha sorry benkay86, all I had to do was sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-set, woot
[22:38] <penguin> I run: Gateway e-4000, 2.00ghz , 1GB ram, what ram does kubuntu need?
[22:38] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I was about to suggest that :-)
[22:39] <cjae> James147: know anything about nouveau?
[22:39] <James147> cjae: nop
[22:39] <cjae> k
[22:39] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Although (and I know everyone hates a backseat coder) it might be worthwhile to find a way to do this with the solid api. So that your applet will play nice with powerdevil profiles and all.
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: none of the api's yet allow setting frequencies, only retreiving which are available
[22:39] <cjae> will compiz work without direct rendering?
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: at one point they were talking about making scriptrunners that could do it though
[22:40] <ratdog> wow, the plasma widget install has really improved on Lynx
[22:40] <ratdog> installer
[22:40] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh well, ho hum, something to take up with the KDE devs.
[22:40] <benkay86> penguin: Allocating 512 MB to the virtual machine ought to be sufficient. What host operating system are you using?
[22:41] <penguin> I run Windows XP Pro SP3 and I gave it 386MB of ram.
[22:42] <benkay86> penguin: Still ought to work, or at least give you a more informative error message.
[22:42] <benkay86> penguin: Could you describe what exactly happens when you start the virtual machine?
[22:43] <penguin> should I give it 512MB?
[22:43] <benkay86> penguin: Nah... 384 really should work.
[22:43] <ryrych> arghhh! again restart :(
[22:44] <ratdog> allways nice when ya find a lost $50 dollar bill you dint know you had
[22:44] <ratdog> >:>
[22:44] <ryrych> http://pastie.org/941879 can anyone take a look at this?
[22:44] <ryrych> new kernel or X aren't work for me :(
[22:44] <ryrych> (probably)
[22:44] <penguin> I start it. It boots from grub and it displays the spash screen for kubuntu. After about a 2 minutes, it frezzes and does nothing. Nothing except when i go send shutdown signal.
[22:45] <benkay86> ryrych: That log doesn't look profound to me. Anything interesting in /var/log/syslog?
[22:45] <CartoonCat> init:plymouth main process (82) killed by SEGV signal            Any ideas on how to fix this? I have access to the partition from another os
[22:45] <benkay86> penguin: When you say it boots from grub, does that mean that you've already installed Kubuntu? Or are you still booting from the LiveCD?
[22:46] <penguin> this happens on BOTH sides.
[22:46] <benkay86> penguin: Sorry... what do you mean by "sides"?
[22:46] <penguin> LiveCD and installed on hd.
[22:46] <penguin> both of those.
[22:46] <benkay86> penguin: Without sounding totally stupid, how did you manage to install it to a virtual machine if you can't boot the LiveCD?
[22:46] <James147> benkay86: was about to ask the same :)
[22:47] <penguin> it just only powerful enough to load the installer. It won't load the full desktop though...
[22:48] <benkay86> penguin: You might well get it to load the full LiveCD by increasing the amount of RAM allocated, then.
[22:49] <benkay86> penguin: Could you elaborate on what you mean by "splash screen"?
[22:49] <penguin> benkay86: I'll try that. thanks!
[22:49] <benkay86> penguin: That is, are you referring to the plymouth splash or the KDE splash?
[22:49] <ryrych> benkay86: they're repeated action: http://pastie.org/941886
[22:49] <penguin> where it says kubuntu and actually starts the os...
[22:50] <ryrych> (and again experienced restart)
[22:50] <c3l_> wtf is this. im writing from my laptop, I recently installed kubuntu 10.04 and now I tried to reboot my system kubuntu doesnt start. the computer just gets completely quiet and nonresponsive, no harddrive activity or w/e. but all lights etc are lit. also the screen is black. not even capslock on/of is responsive. how do I fix this?
[22:50] <chilan> cool, krucks from Gt?
[22:50] <benkay86> penguin: Like this? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1PykOXo2c5I/S7KpNRBy9II/AAAAAAAAAKw/TV5b7dboNWk/s1600/kubuntu-plymouth.png
[22:52] <benkay86> ryrych: Sorry, but I still don't see anything in that log that would suggest a crash. Are you using any experimental/staging/restricted modules? What are you typically doing when you get a restart?
[22:52] <penguin> yes!
[22:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> Hello all - One quick question... Is installing Ubuntu 10.04 and then getting KDE the same as installing Kubuntu 10.04?
[22:53] <benkay86> penguin: If that's the screen you're getting stuck on, it probably means that the X server isn't/is unable to start. Would you mind trying to allocate a bit more RAM (say at least 512 MB) and report back?
[22:53] <apparle> RnFstRuckHrd: no its totally different
[22:54] <apparle> !install
[22:54] <apparle> !kubuntu
[22:54] <c3l_> RnFstRuckHrd, basically.. but you will have a double set of programs and so if installing kde afterwards. but thats fixable
[22:54] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Installing the kubuntu-desktop package? Yes, more or less. Obviously, if you do things the way you described, then ubuntu-desktop will remain installed.
[22:54] <penguin> be back in a little while reporting how it goes. thx!
[22:55] <benkay86> penguin: good luck
[22:55] <ryrych> benkay86: do you have any advice for me? :)
[22:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> SO if my end goal is to have a clean install of kubuntu... it is easier to re-format with a Kubuntu 10.04 CD then try and get there with an already installed Ubuntu 10.04?
[22:55] <benkay86> ryrych: Any suspect kernel modules? Any activity that brings on a crash?
[22:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> no worries about data loss as I have already backed up by the way
[22:55] <ryrych> benkay86: no, it's random, the installation is clear
[22:55] <c3l_> RnFstRuckHrd, when you get into your loginmanaager you will be able to choose which desktopenvironment will be used
[22:56] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: if you want a clean install of kubuntu its easier to reinstall it but you with some work you can install and remove the require packages
[22:56] <benkay86> ryrych: Are you using a wireless card? If so, which one (try running lspci)?
[22:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> Oh hello again JAmes147!  TY
[22:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - by the way - found a way to get 10.04 working on my Dell INspiron 700M (if you remember me venting the other day)
[22:57] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: i do :) what did you do?
[22:57] <ryrych> benkay86: 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[22:57] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Reformatting and installing from a Kubuntu install media is certainly one option. If you're already running Ubuntu 10.04 and you want to completely switch, it is not so difficult to do that without reinstalling.
[22:57] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - look here at Twrock's last post. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029&highlight=Dell+700M+blacklisted&page=2
[22:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> benkay86 - I would install KDE and remove GNOME, yes?
[22:58] <benkay86> ryrych: Ah... seen this bug before. As I recall, your wireless driver is in staging. Uh... Bug #482346
[22:58] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: installing KDE will not remove gnome
[22:58] <Dragnslicer> !purekde | RnFstRuckHrd
[22:59] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Well, apparently the Ubuntu chat bot knows all!
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> TY all for the help - sorry for the n00bish Qs :-s
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> benkay86 - fact
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> is it an actual robot?
[22:59] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: its a program designed to respond to things
[23:00] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: If by robot you mean "not human" then yes. If by robot you mean like from Lost In Space then no.
[23:00] <RnFstRuckHrd> i see
[23:00] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol - no, I was not taking it that far
[23:00] <benkay86> Actually, it's slacking off. Usually it would give a link to the bug I cited.
[23:00] <James147> !ubottu | RnFstRuckHrd
[23:01] <benkay86> Oh God, it's self aware!
[23:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - nice, thx :-D
[23:01] <James147> benkay86: lol
[23:01] <ryrych> benkay86: fffuuu... but the 9.10 wasn't affected :)
[23:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol - thats how it starts
[23:01] <benkay86> ryrych: Well then you're going to hate this suggestion, but it might be worth disabling your wireless card and then seeing if you still get the random crashes.
[23:01] <James147> benkay86: but at least it insnt intellegent... yet :)
[23:02] <benkay86> James147: It's more intelligent than some people I know ;-)
[23:03]  * ScorpKing waves..
[23:03]  * apparle waves back
[23:03] <benkay86> ryrych: Otherwise, you're problem sounds like a kernel issue. You might try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/CrashdumpRecipe
[23:03] <ScorpKing> :)
[23:04] <ryrych> benkay86: can you give me link to that error's description? can't find it :(
[23:05] <benkay86> ryrych: That's because the ubottu was sleeping on the job! Let's try it again. ubottu, could you please give us a link to Launchpad Bug #482346
[23:05] <benkay86> Oh well, I guess if you want something done properly, you have to do it yourself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/482346
[23:06] <benkay86> Basically, it was a friend with an MSI Wind. I think he had the same wireless card as you. After he replaced the wirless card with an Intel one, he didn't get any more random crashes.
[23:07] <ScorpKing> !bug #482346
[23:07] <ScorpKing> hmm.. where's the bot gone to?
[23:07] <benkay86> See? Nothing!
[23:07] <ScorpKing> yep
[23:07] <ryrych> benkay86: thanks
[23:07] <benkay86> ryrych: Just to check, could you "lsmod | grep 8139" so that I can see which module you're using?
[23:08] <benkay86> Now did he quit or crash?
[23:09] <ScorpKing> !bot
[23:09] <ScorpKing> ah thats better :)
[23:09] <James147> benkay86: try a different bug report ^^
[23:09] <James147> benkay86: he might not know about that one yet... maby
[23:09] <benkay86> It's almost 6 months old!
[23:10] <James147> benkay86: he could be alittle slow...
[23:10] <James147> :)
[23:10] <benkay86> Fine... I do wish they'd do something about this already. Launchpad Bug #326555
[23:11] <benkay86> bug 326555
[23:11] <benkay86> Maybe it's running on an MS machine?
[23:11] <James147> benkay86: hmm maby he forgot about the bugs :S possibally connection error to the bug database?
[23:11] <CartoonCat> for referance, recovery mode does not work unless you also load the initrd, where in pre upgrade to 10.04 it was not needed for booting, but now seams to be required
[23:12] <benkay86> Yeah, that makes sense. But it's more fun to invent alternative explanations.
[23:12] <unholyskorn> Can someone help me?  I am looking for video card drivers for my ATi X800XT so I can play games.  Kubuntu 10.4
[23:12] <ryrych> benkay86: http://pastie.org/941908 but I've used it since 9.10 and it was ok
[23:12] <CartoonCat> unholyskorn: #ati
[23:12] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I always sort of assumed that initrd was mandatory regardless. Good to know, though.
[23:12] <unholyskorn> CartoonCat I was told not to use the ATi drivers
[23:13] <unholyskorn> My card is older or something
[23:14] <CartoonCat> benkay86: with my setup, nothing in /dev/sda7/boot is not accessable to grub, so i was not able to load it, worked fine with out it, but after the upgrade to 10.04, its required, so i have to move the init over to /dev/sda6/boot, now i at least am able to get a console, and should be able to finish upgrading from here
[23:15] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Umm... sounds complicated. Good luck!
[23:15] <CartoonCat> benkay86:  not really, but luck i need, iwconfig looks screwed so no net access =\
[23:16] <CartoonCat> iwconfig wlan0 essid Wireless       and it shows the essid as a bunch of escaped hex!
[23:16] <benkay86> ryrych: Yep, that's the staging driver. I guess you could: 1) Try reverting to the 9.10 kernel 2) Try going without wireless for a bit to see if that's the problem 3) Try capture kernel crash dumps for information.
[23:16] <CartoonCat> ! omg this is a great bug
[23:16] <benkay86> CartoonCat: So you're upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04?
[23:16] <ryrych> benkay86: thanks man!
[23:17] <ryrych> benkay86: how can I disable driver safely for a moment?
[23:17] <CartoonCat> benkay86: i was, it said it needed to reboot, then i was left in this state
[23:18] <CartoonCat> ok so iwconfig has a bug, use the essid "Wireless" and its wrong, use ANY other string, and its right
[23:19] <benkay86> ryrych: Well obviously if you're using your wireless card to IRC, disabling the driver will cause issues. Otherwise, you could blacklist 8139too and 8139cp in /etc/modprobe.d. You might have to "sudo update-initramfs -u" afterwards. And reboot, obviously, but you've been having no trouble doing that ;-)
[23:20] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I'm all for oldschool network management, but might it be better to use network-manager to configure your wireless?
[23:20] <CartoonCat> benkay86: sure that would work <if i was in a gui>
[23:20] <CartoonCat> X/KDE is not laoding, broekn upgrade state remember
[23:21] <benkay86> CartoonCat: You could add the connection to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[23:21] <saintly> hmm
[23:21] <saintly> Alright, so first things first, no wifi...
[23:21] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Also, ethernet ought to come up all by itself.
[23:21] <saintly> no sound..
[23:21] <saintly> no way to change theme that i can see..
[23:21] <saintly> this is interesting
[23:22] <saintly> firstly can anyone help me here with wifi
[23:22] <CartoonCat> benkay86: ethernet would be handy, if i had any available (my ap is out in the shop, part of my wireless i get from my network, no ethernet involved at all)
[23:22] <benkay86> CartoonCat: :-(
[23:23] <CartoonCat> it will be easier/faster to jsut change the essid of my ap =)
[23:23] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Might look into system-connections then. Or mess with iwconfig/dhclient
[23:23] <benkay86> saintly: Can you tell us more about why your wifi isn't working?
[23:23] <saintly> My "wireless" choice is grayed out, cant even select it.
[23:24] <CartoonCat> wow this is SAD. what ever iwconfigs issue is, it is ONLY with "Wireless" for a essid, "wireless" is ok, as is any other string i have tried
[23:24] <ScorpKing> benkay86: it's broken ;)
[23:24] <benkay86> saintly: Grayed out under where? The knetworkmanager applet in your system tray?
[23:24] <saintly> any ideas benkay86
[23:24] <benkay86> ScorpKing: You mean ubottu?
[23:24] <OxDeadC0de> -- /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so not found with php5 -v, anyone know why? (after upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04)
[23:24] <saintly> in Manage Connections
[23:25] <ScorpKing> benkay86: no. saintly's wifi :)
[23:25] <benkay86> ScorpKing: Well obviously, but I'm not ubottu -- I need more information before I can fix it!
[23:25] <James147> saintly: whats the output of "ifconfig"?
[23:25] <ScorpKing> benkay86: hehe.. just kidding ;) i called the bot back earlier.
[23:25] <saintly> James147: and how do i find that?
[23:25] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: For starters, you could try using dpkg-query and apt-file to see if a package owns the missing file.
[23:25] <ScorpKing> !upgrade
[23:26] <James147> saintly: open konsole (or any other terminal) and type: ifconfig   then hit enter
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: php5-mhash
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> well, php5-mhash should I'd think
[23:26] <James147> then:
[23:26] <James147> !pastebin | saintly
[23:27] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Is the file truly missing from the filesystem? If so, reinstalling the package that owns it might bring the file back and solve your problem.
[23:27] <vadi01> chromium browsers google search engine does not work . any one with a similar issue?
[23:27] <saintly> James147: alright did it, now what info from it do i need to be looking at?
[23:28] <James147> saintly: it should list all your networking cards see if you wireless one is there (usually wlan0)
[23:28] <benkay86> saintly: From a terminal, could you please run "ifconfig -a | grep wlan0"? If you have a wireless card recognized by your kernel, it should spit somethin out.
[23:28]  * OxDeadC0de sighs
[23:28] <c3l__> when starting a wine application one of my screens is going black for 3-5 seconds. why? how to fix?
[23:28] <benkay86> Oh, sorry, James147 already covered that.
[23:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: looks like php5-mhash was removed in 10.04 as mhash is provided by php5 itself, which somehow didn't install the mhash.so for me durring the upgrade
[23:29] <James147> benkay86: grepping wlan0 wont always work, i have had ra0  and eth1 as weireless cards ebfore
[23:29] <c3l__> and why is ESD as sound driver gone in wine (10.04)... I can no longer hear sound through spotify..!
[23:29] <benkay86> James147: Oh, good point.
[23:29] <OxDeadC0de> but I'm using php5-cgi and not mod php5 which could be why.... =|
[23:29] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Yes, it could be.
[23:30] <progre55> hey guys, what the hack is nepomukservices?
[23:30] <saintly> james147: benkay86: no wlan0, i used both methods guys.
[23:30] <saintly> it came up with eth0 and lo
[23:30] <James147> progre55: nepomuk indexes files to allot quick searching as well as tagging of files and folders
[23:30] <benkay86> saintly: In that case, your wireless card is most likely not being detected by your kernel. Would you happen to know what make and/or model it is?
[23:30] <saintly> hmm
[23:30] <saintly> lol
[23:30] <progre55> James147: oh I see. thanks
[23:30] <saintly> i have no clue
[23:31] <James147> saintly: that would suggest that it cant see your wireless card (unless you dont have a ethernet port ;)  )
[23:31] <saintly> i have an ethernet port, its got a jack in it right now so i can talk to you kind folks.
[23:32] <saintly> Benkay86: how would i find out my wireless card.
[23:32] <James147> saintly: "lspci | grep Network" should tell you
[23:32] <saintly> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 4353 (rev 01)
[23:33] <benkay86> Oh dear. Broadcom.
[23:33] <saintly> lol may as well be swahili, for all i can undersatnd of it.
[23:33] <James147> benkay86: heh, same thourght here :(
[23:33] <saintly> this is bothersome eh
[23:34] <saintly> i was using the same card eariler with a 10.04(updated from 9.10 )
[23:34] <James147> saintly: Broadcom cards have had problems in the past :( havent looked into their current state though
[23:34] <James147> saintly: hmm
[23:34] <ScorpKing> !broadcom
[23:35] <saintly> so i know it works lol. just obviously not with a clean start.
[23:35] <benkay86> I think that card may be ndiswrappes only. Fortunately, I haven't had to use ndiswrappers in some time so, unfortunately, I don't remember how to set that up.
[23:35] <benkay86> But apparently the ubottu does. Thanks, buddy.
[23:35] <ScorpKing> !bcm
[23:35] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[23:35] <ScorpKing> broadcom always seem to give someone hell
[23:35] <saintly> alright, also one more thing
[23:36] <benkay86> As I recall, all of their drivers are reverse engineered since the company refuses to help out the kernel devs in any way.
[23:36] <saintly> my Firefox installer said the package is already there but uh. the package is NOT there.
[23:37] <benkay86> saintly: aptitude show firefox | grep State
[23:38] <saintly> State: not a real package
[23:38] <saintly> ROFL
[23:38] <James147> saintly: try installing it manually though kpakcage kit
[23:38] <saintly> kk
[23:38] <benkay86> saintly: That doesn't seem right.
[23:39] <benkay86> That it's "not a real package"
[23:39] <saintly> lolll
[23:40] <saintly> thats what it told me capn
[23:40] <James147> saintly: or try "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install firefox"
[23:40] <James147> benkay86: might be because if a lack of updating the package lists?
[23:41] <benkay86> James147: Maybe. Or some weird PPA that's providing a different firefox package. As far as I know, it's not supposed to be a metapackage.
[23:41] <James147> getting "not installed" when i do it
[23:41] <benkay86> James147: Or "installed" in my case, seeing as Konqueror *still* doesn't play nice with Google Maps.
[23:42] <James147> benkay86: been using chromium here :)
[23:42] <benkay86> James147: Ah, Chroium is nice. Can't live without the FF plugins myself, though. Irregardless, they really ought to switch the default away from Konqueror.
[23:42] <saintly> alright urgent one now lol
[23:43] <saintly> it asked me to install new packages, flashplayer and what not
[23:43] <James147> benkay86: chromium has plugins now, with the list availble growing daily :)
[23:43] <benkay86> saintly: Could you pastebin the complete output of "aptitude show firefox"
[23:43] <saintly> i went through and installed
[23:43] <benkay86> James147: Chromium certtainly is faster. Perhaps I'll try it again someday.
[23:43] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Any luck?
[23:44] <CartoonCat> benkay86: none
[23:44] <paulo> olá
[23:44] <benkay86> CartoonCat :-(
[23:44] <CartoonCat> i have 2 AP's, both are giving me issues
[23:44] <paulo> :)
[23:44] <penguin_> hello. I got the same problem from earlier
[23:44] <CartoonCat> im going to have to climb up on the roof and break open the panel and plug in a cable
[23:44] <saintly> omggggggggggggggggggggg
[23:45] <saintly> Package: firefox
[23:45] <saintly> New: yes
[23:45] <saintly> State: not installed
[23:45] <saintly> Version: 3.6.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4
[23:45] <FloodBotK1> saintly: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <benkay86> penguin: What happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+F2 in the virtual machine?
[23:45] <paulo> Im from Brazil :)
[23:45] <benkay86> saintly: pastebin, man!
[23:45] <saintly> this is brilliant
[23:45] <saintly> im sooo frustrated
[23:45] <James147> saintly: looks like you should be albe to install it now
[23:45] <benkay86> paulo: Always a pleasure to have international visitors.
[23:46] <saintly> james147: its ALREADY installed! according my computer!
[23:46] <James147> saintly: whats telling you that its installed?
[23:46] <saintly> the installERR
[23:47] <James147> saintly: ignore the installer, run "sudo aptitude install firefox"
[23:47] <CartoonCat> benkay86: my aps dont use encryption
[23:47] <saintly> i already did!
[23:47] <CartoonCat> dont need it, i use a hotspot upstream
[23:47] <James147> what happens if you try to run "firefox"
[23:47] <James147> saintly: ^^
[23:47] <vadi01> how come i cant use the guest account feature in kubuntu?
[23:47] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: just had to remove the old file: /etc/php5/*/conf.d/mhash.ini
[23:48] <benkay86> CartoonCat: And you still can't associate?
[23:48] <CartoonCat> with one, i get "deauthenticating from MAC by local choise" the other i get a directed probe timeout
[23:48] <saintly> there is NO runn firefoxx
[23:48] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, the many joys of /etc cruft. Glad you were able to figure it out.
[23:48] <James147> saintly: i mean type "firefox" in the terminal and hit enter
[23:49] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: heh, figured out that warning, but still php5 cgi+apache are failing.. I'm sure I'll get it eventually ;)
[23:50] <saintly> have you ever wanted to take some det cord and just wrapp ur processor like a birthday present?
[23:50] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I don't know what to tell you. I'm assuming your MAC address isn't blacklisted since you were able to associate before...
[23:50] <saintly> >:(
[23:50] <paulo> alguém do Brasil ?
[23:50] <CartoonCat> benkay86: nope, havent changed any settings on the AP
[23:51] <BluesKaj> !pt | paulo
[23:51] <benkay86> paulo: #ubuntu-pt
[23:51] <CartoonCat> benkay86:  i had issues connecting to the one before anyhow (directed probe timeout)
[23:52] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Make sure you aren't fighting with NetworkManger for control of the nic. "sudo stop network-manager"
[23:53] <paulo> thanks
[23:54] <benkay86> James147: I guess we'll never find out what happened.
[23:54] <James147> benkay86:  :(
[23:54] <CartoonCat> benkay86: reloaded the module, seams to have helped
[23:54] <James147> benkay86: you know if the firefox installer dose anything spical except install "firefox"?
[23:54] <CartoonCat> so aptitude away! heh
[23:54] <saintly> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4353] (rev 01)
[23:55] <saintly> umm
[23:55] <saintly> NO device brand
[23:55] <CartoonCat> saintly: you dont need a device brand
[23:55] <saintly> Cartooncat: what do i need
[23:55] <CartoonCat> go check the B43 driver and make sure it has full suport for that card (the 14e4:4353)
[23:55] <saintly> how do i do that
[23:56] <CartoonCat> google b43 support list, or ask the fellows in #bcm-users
[23:58] <saintly> half a million ppl in these rooms and nobody talking
[23:58] <benkay86> James147: It might also remove itself from the menu. Not really sure.
[23:58] <moderndayzero> anyone know of a good  free screen recorder for linux?
[23:59] <benkay86> moderndayzero: Not offhand, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts