[01:55] <BUGabundo> !controls
[01:55] <ubot4> In Lucid, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons have been moved to the left side. For more information, please see http://alturl.com/b6ja | To move them back to the right-hand side, see http://alturl.com/x5d6
[01:57] <Aquina> lol
[01:59] <Aquina> Whis the l33t would tell what the've got in mind with that new space. I strongly hope it's something more important than basic window control. Even in case it is... why not putting these *very important* things on the left?
[02:15] <dwg> nasty, but probably easy to fix bug in evince
[02:15] <dwg> #572722
[02:16] <arand> bug #572722
[02:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572722 in evince (Ubuntu) "evince truncates filenames with '#' from command line (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572722
[02:38] <eldon> brasero cannot burn an mdf file. even after clicking "burn this image directly" it burns to dvd, leaving the image as a file on the disk
[04:39] <Damascene> hi,
[04:39] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/572776
[04:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572776 in ubuntu "Ubuntu should provide update packages for download and use for offline users (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[04:39] <Damascene> how to triage this bug
[04:42] <crimsun> Damascene: suggestion: synaptic, wishlist
[04:42] <ddecator> i'm not entirely sure what exactly it's asking for..
[04:43] <Damascene> crimsun, ubuntu should provide the packages not synaptic
[04:43] <crimsun> it's really asking for a way to have apt generate a refreshed cache base on locally chosen files
[04:43] <Damascene> if I mark it as wishlist would any one look at it?
[04:43] <crimsun> Damascene: it's a feature request, so it belongs as wishlist
[04:44] <Damascene> I don't think you got it right
[04:44] <crimsun> and I'm apparently omitting all sorts of consonants this evening
[04:44] <Damascene> you know when you do apt-get update
[04:45] <crimsun> Damascene: what defect in an existing feature is being discussed?
[04:45] <crimsun> remember: *existing* feature
[04:45] <Damascene> you are right. but will any one look at a wishlist?
[04:45] <Damascene> or it's just like invalid?
[04:45] <crimsun> wishlist is quite different to invalid
[04:46] <crimsun> the former is an importance; the latter is a status
[04:46] <Damascene> np then
[04:46] <Damascene> but it's important :)
[04:46] <crimsun> every existing bug is Critical to someone ;-)
[04:47] <Damascene> this one is really useful for every one :) with slow or no internet connection
[04:47] <Damascene> you can't run apt-get update
[04:47] <Damascene> instead you download the update
[04:47] <Damascene> then you use the generate download script feature
[04:47] <Damascene> I used that when I had a slow connection
[04:48] <crimsun> I don't disagree; however, there are existing kludges like aptoncd
[04:48] <Damascene> then I used to go to internet cafe and download the rest of packages
[04:48] <Damascene> for that you should have another system with ubuntu
[04:48] <crimsun> a live session would suffice
[04:49] <crimsun> (but yes, "another system with Ubuntu")
[04:49] <Damascene> see
[04:49] <Damascene> I don't think it's hard to do
[04:49] <Damascene> at least there should be montly build of the udpate package
[04:50] <Damascene> as the user is offline already
[04:50] <crimsun> this is sounding more and more like adding a feature to aptoncd
[04:51] <Damascene> why you think so?
[04:51] <Damascene> you don't need a cd for what I'm suggesting
[04:52] <crimsun> try not to get caught up on "cd"
[04:52] <crimsun> it's really *any* medium
[04:53] <Damascene> can aptoncd runs on windows?
[04:53] <Damascene> with the genreated script you get links
[04:54] <Damascene> download the links target and you have the packages
[04:55] <Damascene> I've to go now.
[06:18] <_0R10N> hi everyone!
[06:25] <_0R10N> I need help with a problem I got since Karmic, and now in Lucid I still can't get rid of it. When ubuntu starts up, I have a login box and a Universal Access Preferences bar on the bottom of the screen. That bar wasn't there in the beginning, and the login box looked cool. I've tried by every mean to make this bar to go away and have my login box back, and nothing worked so far. thoughts?
[07:36] <zetheroo> how do I get a bug noticed :P
[07:38] <arand> zetheroo: debug it well, get it fixed upstream, attach a patch, get people testing, shout at the devs to accept your *perfect patch*
[07:38] <zetheroo> hehe
[07:39] <zetheroo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/541641
[07:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 541641 in compiz (Ubuntu) "LUCID COMPIZ: can't enable Desktop Effects..! (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[07:39] <zetheroo> this is the bug ... how do I "promote" it ... ?
[07:39] <zetheroo> :)
[07:39] <arand> zetheroo: You could also request a priority from triagers here (although priority doesn't mean overly much)...
[07:40] <zetheroo> the status on this is "Invalid" and Importance is "Undecided" ...and its "Unassigned" ... doh
[07:43] <arand> Well, a blacklist is a blacklist, and it's likely not going to be "fixed" until compiz upstream / intel drivers starts playing nice... As for a workaound, maybe #compiz knows...
[07:47] <zetheroo> but what I don't get is why it's blacklisted and it was working in Karmic?
[09:20] <monk> hi
[09:20] <monk> I wonder if you know about the significant bug in 10.04 release - that keyboard doesn't work on login
[09:20] <monk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466482
[09:32] <monk> Hi, I wonder if anyone from ubuntu team knows about the significant bug in 10.04 - keyboard doesn't work in login window http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466482
[11:27] <ombra> hi i've installed ubuntu 10.04
[11:28] <ombra> i have some of these lines on gnome registry : pulseaudio[1954]: ratelimit.c: 215 events suppressed
[11:28] <ombra> it's normal?
[12:08] <om26er> how to disable KMS for nvidia
[12:11] <joaopinto> om26er, use "nomodeset" on the kernel options
[12:11] <joaopinto> ant this is not a support channel :)
[12:12] <om26er> joaopinto, ya people here know things and this was not for me. its for support at #ubuntu :)
[12:17] <JeanFI> Hello, when the disk need to be checked during computer startup, I can cancel it with the 'c' key during the first seconds but not after (a message 'press C to cancel blahblah' is still displayed), I should report it against which package? I guess it is not a fsck issue.
[12:18] <om26er> joaopinto, nomodeset worked and now installing the properietry driver wont need this ?
[12:18] <om26er> JeanFI, mountall
[12:18] <om26er> maybe
[12:19] <joaopinto> JeanFI, plymouth
[12:20] <joaopinto> the message is a plymouth task, it may be related to mountall so either will do
[12:20] <JeanFI> ok, thanks!
[12:31] <yofel> this sounds like bug 562811, could be something different though if you are able to cancel it in the beginning
[12:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 562811 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "[Lucid] fsck cannot be cancelled in Plymouth (affects: 13) (dups: 1)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562811
[12:53] <JeanFI> yotel, I am going to check if my system has the packages corresponding to the fix for 562811
[12:54] <yofel> JeanFI: if it's a fresh install of final it should as the packages were already out by then
[12:55] <JeanFI> updated this morning (10.04)
[12:55] <yofel> then file a new bug as what you have might be caused by something else
[12:57] <JeanFI> plymouth 0.8.2-2ubuntu2 and mountall 2.14, so it does not fix my issue
[13:06] <JeanFI> bug #572981
[13:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572981 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Cannot cancel disk check during computer startup after a while (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572981
[15:10] <zus> hello guys, i have a problem with dragon player and kaffiene player, the window around the player shows up and  i can hear audio, but i only see my desktop instead of a movie, in dragon player a dvd worked  but .avi file isnt is this a bug or just my system?
[15:11] <zus> um i forgot kubuntu-10.4
[15:13] <zus> um never mind dvds aint playing now either
[15:25] <milanbv> hi all! does somebody know how one can properly get traces for a gdm-simple-greeter crash?
[15:25] <milanbv> I mean: Apport doesn't seems to get it, even if it's enabled with no size limit
[15:25] <milanbv> (and dbgsym packages are outdated...)
[16:16] <zus> earlier i asked about why my videos were playing....i got it fixed,...it was end user error. thanks
[17:22] <maxiepax1> iv found what i believe to be a bug, however not quite sure where to file it. After installation of Ubuntu 10.04 my logitech Dinovo keyboard doesn't work anymore, seems more people are having this problem. However i tried to use the "onscreen keyboard". Problem is, atleast with SV-SE keyboard layout, $ does not excist. People who have $ in their password can thus not login and get access to dmesg etc to find out whats wrong with keybo
[18:16] <elMariachi> hi
[18:17] <elMariachi> im having the problem, that my sound volume only changes in three different levels: off, medium, maximum if i use the gnome volume thingy
[18:17] <elMariachi> when using alsamixer its all fine
[18:17] <elMariachi> is that a bug?
[18:20] <elMariachi> oh when i decrease volume from maximum in sound preferences i can see in alsmixer, that it first decreases the master channel down to 0 (with no effect) and decreasing another channel, that actually decreases the volume
[18:22] <om26er> elMariachi, try in #ubuntu
[18:22] <elMariachi> i did, its flooded
[18:23] <om26er> ha
[18:23] <elMariachi> so this is no known bug?
[19:50] <SoftwareExplorer> I have two keyboard layouts: the default US Qwerty on and Dvorak. It seems like the layout changes 'randomly' to Qwerty. Times that it seems to always happen: Opening a new firefox window, when policy kit comes up, when I open System -> Preferences -> Network connections. In firefox, it seems like the bug doesn't happen if you just switched to the window and then did something like File -> New Window. How would I search fo
[19:51] <penguin42> SoftwareExplorer: Curious
[19:51] <penguin42> SoftwareExplorer: In system->preferences->keyboard->layouts what does it show and what is keyboard model set at?
[19:52] <penguin42> SoftwareExplorer: Or I wonder if it's IBus related (not that I've figured out how that works)
[19:53] <SoftwareExplorer> penguin42: Keyboard model : Generic 105-key (Intl) PC
[19:54] <SoftwareExplorer> It has USA Dvorak \n USA in the list of layouts
[19:54] <penguin42> SoftwareExplorer: For me I've got model set as Evdev-managed keyboard - but I do only have one layout
[19:55] <penguin42> SoftwareExplorer: It's probably also worth checking the Options button and the subtab 'Key(s) to change layout' to see if anything unexpected is set ?
[19:57] <SoftwareExplorer> Separate layout for each window is unchecked.  Keys to change the layout: Alt + Capslock, both Alt keys together , I set the Alt + Capslock after this bug started because I needed a way to change back quickly
[19:58] <SoftwareExplorer> BTW:What does Key to choose 3rd level do? It has Right alt set, but it is bold, so it must have a non-default setting
[19:59] <penguin42> I don't know
[20:08] <SoftwareExplorer> Well, I just tried going to System -> Preferences -> IBus Preferences and it said "IBus daemon is not started. Do you want to start it now?"  Maybe that mean's I can rule out IBus? (I don't know much about Ibus)
[20:14] <penguin42> I think it's unlikely then isn't it (I didn't have it running either)
[21:00] <penguin42> anyone understand how to tell which macro package a man page is using? I see that there are mdoc and man - and I'm trying to debug a formatting bug
[21:14] <arand> penguin42: Isn't the man pages part of the package it describes itself?
[21:14] <penguin42> arand: Often but not always; the thing is there are a few different macro packages that the man pages can use - and it's not clear to me how it figures out which one is being used
[21:15] <arand> ah...
[21:29] <elleuca> here is yet a bug issued about black screen (no console, no x11) switching back to first login after an user switch?
[21:53]  * penguin42 fixes a trivial manpage bug, then finds it's also reported in debian with a bug fix that's been there for a year
[21:55] <yofel> patch or fixed? it's not really unusual for debian to have >1 year old patches lying around
[21:55] <penguin42> patched
[21:56] <penguin42> yofel: bug 483833 in ubuntu, I've now linked it to the debbug #520587
[21:56] <yofel> heh, guess they need a reviewers team to *g*
[21:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483833 in lsof (Debian) (and 1 other project) "lsof manpage is garbled (affects: 3) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483833
[21:56] <yofel> debian 520587
[21:56] <ubot4> Debian bug 520587 in lsof "display of manpages collapses" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/520587
[21:56] <penguin42> ooh clever bot
[21:57] <yofel> I know of 'bug/lp debian mozilla freedesktop gnome kde' possibly others
[21:58] <penguin42> still, I learnt a bit more roff
[21:58] <jpds> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak/annotate/head%3A/Bugtracker/plugin.py#L834
[22:02] <yofel> thx jpds
[22:09] <yofel> jpds: do you know if somone wants to add the kernel BTS to that? or did they customise their bugzilla too much?
[22:09] <jpds> No idea.
[22:10] <yofel> k
[22:10] <jfi> If I minimize liferea (click on the minimize win button), then click on the icon in the traybar it does not popup. Compiling myself the liferea binary, the bug is fixed....
[22:56] <hggdh> jfi_: I cannot reproduce (10.04)
[22:57] <jfi_> hggdh, `:( I reproduce on 3 different computers:(
[22:57] <hggdh> jfi_: what version?
[22:57] <hggdh> of Ubuntu, I mean
[22:57] <jfi_> 10.04 but I have the bug since 9.10
[22:58] <hggdh> jfi_: please create a new user, login as this user, and try it
[22:58] <jfi_> guest session is ok?
[22:59] <hggdh> jfi_: might be, yes
[23:00] <jfi_> I have the bug with guest session too
[23:01] <jfi_> I create a new user and login... brb
[23:03] <jfi> hggdh, and I have the bug with a new user too..:(
[23:06] <penguin42> jfl: Well I've just installed liferea, iconised and deiconised it - it's fine; what window manager are you using?
[23:06] <jfi> penguin42, no that's not the procedure
[23:06] <jfi> - launch liferea
[23:06] <jfi> - click on minimize windows button
[23:06] <jfi> - click on the traybar icon of liferea
[23:07] <jfi> => liferea does not popup
[23:07] <jfi> penguin42, metacity
[23:07] <penguin42> jfl: Ah I agree, clicking on the icon doesn't unminimise it - now the qood question is should it; I've heard it argued by gui designers that it shouldn't (I don't agree)
[23:08] <jfi> I am happy to know that somebody reproduce it!
[23:08] <jfi> that makes the thing less strange:)
[23:08] <jfi> I have compiled myself liferea from sources and the behaviour is different....
[23:09] <penguin42> which source? Ubuntu source or upstream?
[23:09] <jfi> I was ready to patch the code to fix the issue (or feature) but it is still done....
[23:09] <jfi> from ubuntu source
[23:09] <penguin42> oh that is curious
[23:10] <jfi> I just did: apt-get source liferea, sh autogen.sh --prefix /home/XXX/tmp, make, make install
[23:11] <penguin42> ah, but that wouldn't be building like debian builds it
[23:14] <penguin42> jfl: If you look in liferea-1.6.2/debian/patches/gtk-status-icon.patch you'll see someone has rewritten the status icon code
[23:15] <penguin42> jfl: It looks like a patch from upstream has been backported; I'm not clear from it if it's an accident or purpose the click doesn't work
[23:16] <jfi> I am sorry, I have no knowledge of the way the debian/ubuntu of packages is working
[23:16] <jfi> *build
[23:17] <penguin42> jfl: I don't fully understand it either; but if you look in the package source you'll see a bunch of patches in debian/patches  when the debian build process builds it it'll apply those patches before the build
[23:17] <hggdh> interesting is that I still cannot reproduce :-(
[23:17] <jfi> the description of your patch does not seem to be related to the iconification behaviour
[23:17] <yofel> jfi: go into the source dir (liferea-1.6.2 here) and run 'dpkg-buildpackage'
[23:17] <hggdh> or debuild -b
[23:17] <yofel> yes
[23:18] <jfi> debuild -b is applying your patch to the src dir?
[23:18] <penguin42> jfl: I think the code related to the notification area was very heavily changed - including whatever handles the click
[23:19] <yofel> erm... wtf?
[23:19] <yofel> wait
[23:21] <yofel> minimise, maximse on click on the icon works fine here, maximising from icon works when closing the window, restoring it after minimising the window doesn't work by icon click, but I wouldn't expect that
[23:22] <penguin42> yofel: Not minimise/maximise - iconise
[23:22] <yofel> erm, let me rephrase that
[23:22] <jfi> minimize then click on tray icon
[23:22] <jfi> xchat and pidgin works this way
[23:22] <yofel> jfi: well, that doesn't work, but that's not even supposed to work IMHO
[23:22] <jfi> empathy too
[23:22] <yofel> minimse != iconise
[23:22] <yofel> close == iconize
[23:23] <penguin42> lets start again
[23:23] <penguin42> jfl: What exactly is it that you expect to work but doesn't - just to sort this out
[23:23] <jfi> sorry my english is bad, I try to rephrase
[23:24] <jfi> I click on the minimize button of windows control (the ones that move from the right to the left:-p )
[23:24] <penguin42> jfl: Which do you mean by minimize - what does it do to the window?
[23:24] <jfi> then, I click on the tray bar icon of liferea (the top panel of the desktop, where you have the volume indicator)
[23:25] <jfi> minimize: the windows disapear (but the app is still running)
[23:26] <yofel> jfi: dissapear *where to*? Icon or task manager?
[23:26] <jfi> task manager, the traybar icon is always visible
[23:27] <yofel> *I* don't count that as a bug then, clicking on the icon *opens* the window,  when you minimise the window it's still open, only hidden in the task manager
[23:27] <yofel> any other opinions?
[23:28] <penguin42> yofel: I've seen other apps de-iconise on status button click
[23:28] <penguin42> yofel: I think rhythmbox used to
[23:28] <penguin42> yofel: And I've just confirmed pidgin still does for the buddy list
[23:28] <yofel> de-iconise yes, but not restore from minimze. Liferea does de-iconise when you click on the icon
[23:28] <jfi> xchat/pidgin work this way
[23:29] <yofel> well, ok then, maybe I'm the one that has a wrong assumption on how this is supposed to work (the one that wrote the patch has the same opinion as me I guess)
[23:29] <penguin42> yofel: It doesn't here
[23:30] <penguin42> hang on, I *do* mean minimise
[23:30] <yofel> penguin42: when I *close* the window, so that only the icon is left, then clicking on the icon will show liferea (which is what I understand by de-iconize)
[23:30] <penguin42> yofel: Right, sorry - if I minimise pidgin's buddy list or exailes main window and I then click on thei notification area icon they unminimise
[23:31] <yofel> hm, well ok then,  I didn't expect that
[23:31] <penguin42> yofel: In the recent rant about the end-of-the-notification-area I've seen it said that it was bad behaviour to have, but I can see why people like it (I don't use it personally)
[23:32] <yofel> Psi has even another behaviour: minimize it -> it goes to the task manager, click on the icon after that -> it vanishes from the taks manager...
[23:32] <penguin42> well that just sounds broken
[23:33] <yofel> well, not really, clicking on the icon should open/close the window, what it does is right click on the minimized app -> close
[23:33] <yofel> odd, but not exactly broken
[23:34] <jfi> just to be sure of what we are talking: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/703/liferea.png
[23:34] <penguin42> jfi: Yeh
[23:34] <yofel> jfi: I did understand you, don't worry
[23:34]  * penguin42 got the wrong end of the stick
[23:34] <yofel> does anyone know if there's some spec lying around...
[23:35] <penguin42> which spec though?
[23:35] <yofel> good question
[23:35] <yofel> hm
[23:35] <jfi> the most important thing is that all application works the same way...
[23:35] <yofel> seb isn't here :/
[23:36] <yofel> jfi: that's what I meant by spec, we need some specification to follow here...
[23:37] <yofel> jfi: I would say: file a bug so we don't forget about this, we can always close it once we know more
[23:39] <jfi> I have quickly read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators, but did not find something related to the popup behaviour
[23:40] <yofel> do they even want it to popup now? I heard they removed that from rhythmbox
[23:40] <jfi> rythmbox popup on left click 'show' of the traybar icon even if minimized
[23:40]  * yofel uses KDE so he's not exactly sure what the ayatana and desktop team are doing
[23:41] <penguin42> yofel: My suspicion is that it's being removed
[23:50] <jfi> bug #573346
[23:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 573346 in liferea (Ubuntu) "Clicking on traybar icon does not show liferea when minimized (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573346
[23:52] <yofel> jfi: erm... why didn't you use apport? (can you at least add the liferea version to the report please...?)
[23:52] <yofel> or just run apport-collect
[23:54] <jfi> Ho, I did not think it was useful for this kind of report
[23:54] <yofel> thanks
[23:55] <yofel> ALWAYS add the release and package version to the report, or else a triager or dev doesn't know if you're using hardy or whatever
[23:55] <yofel> (ok, you can guess it here from the screenshot, but it's the policy anyway)
[23:56] <jfi> ok ok, I am going to do it
[23:57] <yofel> in this case this would be a regression from liferea 1.6.2-1ubunt5 -> ubuntu6 so the package version is important
[23:57] <jfi> I have launch apport, you will have it in few seconds:)