[04:01] hello [04:02] hey [08:10] humphreybc: i have finally been added to the list of people who get their blogs syndicated to ubuntu-au planet [08:11] it means ill now get to post stuff about the manual to ubuntu-au users specifically [08:11] nisshh: awesome. congratulations! [08:13] godbyk: cheers! iv been on the waiting list for a good 3 months now [08:13] wow [08:14] yea, the ubuntu-au community is pretty munted at the moment [08:14] alot of people want alot of different things! [08:39] thorwil: I ordered a copy of the manual from lulu, so we can see if there are any problems with the printed version (margins, print resolution, etc.). [08:40] godbyk: cool. if it comes out well, i would like to have some high quality photos ;) [08:40] Sure! [08:40] You'll get some high-res photos one way or another. :) [09:27] godbyk: ping [09:28] ubuntujenkins: pong [09:28] I have packaged ccicons how ever I noticed that they currently intsall in the home directory of the user, this is a big no no with a package. are they ment to go there or can they go some where else [09:29] ubuntujenkins: they can be installed with the other texlive packages. [09:30] where would that be godbyk [09:30] It should go in /usr/share/texmf-texlive/... [09:31] I'm currently installing the existing lucid texlive packages and seeing what's missing. [09:31] maybe we can package just the differences that we need. [09:32] I think we package it al;ll so no lucid users can use it. I have them in a ppa waiting to be built [09:32] *non [09:34] how long would it take to get the lucid texlive packages themselves updated? [09:34] (instead of our own packages for everything) [09:34] I don't know the stuff in the ppa is the latest from debian [09:35] there is a three day build que [09:35] so we'd have to update the debian packages and then push them downstream to ubuntu? [09:35] yes they guy who does it all is very helpful. The last set of packages are not that old couple of months thats it [09:36] cool. [09:36] so we'd just need to get debian to update their stuff and then this guy would update the ubuntu packages/ [09:36] ? [09:37] no the guy does the debian stuff and the when ubuntu does a debian import they get dragged in [09:37] aha, gotcha. [09:37] can we have the debian guy update his packages? [09:37] then we just have to coax ubuntu into importing them [09:38] (I don't know what that process is like) [09:38] I am not sure how open to updating it he will be. They are quite new. [09:39] When i say he has been nice he has been vary helpfull in answering my questions on the mailing list. [09:40] I think the tex live people are hoping to release tex live 2010 this summer. [09:41] nice, I would hope he will update the debian files then [09:46] Also what would happen if the updmap --enable Map ccicons.map command was not run. I am not sure if the package does it or not. Would a reboot be enough? [09:47] A reboot wouldn't do it. [09:48] ok I will make sure that it is run [09:48] It adds the font mapping to the list of font mappings. [09:48] If all these packages that are in the ppa work I will work out how to get that command running [09:49] what all packages are you creating? [09:51] the stuff i uploaded creates lots of files but, texlive-base , bin , doc , extra and xindy are waiting to build. xindy has to come from a ppa as its not in ubuntu [09:51] its in debian [10:18] godbyk: can you please remove 01-live-cd-welcome@pl@1272645268.png and 08-display-properties-confirm@es@1272533840.png [10:18] ubuntujenkins: done [10:19] thanks [19:28] Are you guys using google docs for collaborating the manual? [19:29] TMKCodes: we are using bzr and latex for the formating [19:30] be back in 20 [19:34] Ah. :P [19:35] Well i was just thinking that google docs is quite powerful at collaborating as multiple users can write the same time to the document [19:46] TMKCodes: I see your point, we do try and do it so only one person is writing on one subject so there is no conflicts [19:48] *subject/application [19:57] yeah [21:40] hello :) [21:41] hello daker [21:47] wassup [21:48] not much really fairly quite to be honest [21:49] what baout you? [21:49] writing some python code [21:50] sebsebseb: how do you keep up with #ubuntu I can't tell whos questions have been answered and whos haven't. You know your bot factoids [21:50] daker: what for? [21:51] ubuntujenkins: I don't know all the factoids [21:51] I like that busy channel :D [21:51] many hate it [21:51] try to code my own Bot [21:52] ubuntujenkins: Since Ubuntu 9.04, Ubuntu is a like and dislike realtionship [21:52] however i'lll still help in IRC with it [21:52] daker: have you looked at the ubuntu bot source? [21:52] better people use Ubuntu than Windows or Mac OS X [21:52] even though loads of other distros are really good as well [21:52] sebsebseb: its good to see people helping, I can't read as quick as you [21:52] hello IlyaHaykinson [21:52] hi ubuntujenkins [21:53] ubuntujenkins: I used to be rather active in 2009 there [21:53] ubuntujenkins, well the code is very hard for me right now [21:53] ,but then out came the bad Ubuntu 9.10 release [21:53] so not as much, plus wanted to do other things [21:53] ,but now things are mainly about 10.04 so :D [21:53] things have changed a bit [21:53] what are your thought on lucid sebsebseb [21:53] factoidwise as well [21:53] :) [21:53] that's an interesting one [21:53] how I will do Lucid on the other computer, when it gets upgraded from Karmic [21:53] maybe later tonight [21:53] well yes probably later tonight [21:54] daker: you could just change all the factoids on the ubuntu bot [21:54] sebsebseb: I like it allot hope it works for you :) [21:54] I have been testing in vm since alpha 1 [21:54] in my better for me anyway and so on, Mandriva One 2010 host :) [21:54] so now I am quite bored of Lucid really [21:55] as for the other computer family one, so I don't use it that much, it has Ubuntu and XP [21:55] my older brother started using Ubuntu on there, soon after XP messed up big time :) [21:55] he uses Facebook a lot [21:55] sebsebseb: fair enough, I replaced xp with ubuntu when it messed up as well [21:55] sadly when XP did mess up big time on there, my Dad wanted me to re do the whole hard disk [21:55] that meant bye bye 9.04 [21:56] this was January when the hard disk gets re done, I thought ah well not that long really to 10.04 now, so i'll put 9.10 on, however two months well more like three, or whatever, is longer than you think when waiting for something [21:56] in this case waiting for the stable 10.04 release, I am not going to run development version on there, even though I could [21:56] I told my faimily that ubuntu was their only choice, they didin't complain [21:56] brown human themes for my brothers :D [21:57] the one before 9.10 [21:57] so yeah brown, a bit of orange even I guess [21:57] well that will be their 10.04 theme as well [21:57] Lucid themes are the best the black one for me [21:57] no they aren't [21:57] well the black one is alright, untill Firefox is opended, then things look to black for my likeing [21:57] also those window borders are ok, but a bit ugly really [21:57] I use chromium [21:58] chromium/chrome hrm [21:58] the fan boys get at me a bit [21:58] those who think it's really great [21:58] I am rather loyal to Firefox [21:58] I just perfer it, only reason why i use it [21:58] I don't like how, well they done even more bad Gnome editing [21:58] in 10.04 [21:58] however for other people, things like the me menu, will be pretty good [21:59] IlyaHaykinson: as I have lot of quickshot work I don't think i will be able to contribute to writing for the next release [21:59] ubuntujenkins: no worries. plus we've got a while before we start writing much. [21:59] I don't like how the me menu is linked to their edited fast user account switcher, can't just remove one, whilst keeping the other [21:59] sebsebseb: i don't mind the memenu [22:00] right now the priority is to do the research to figure out what we may want to change for maverick [22:00] IlyaHaykinson: Just thought it was best to let you know [22:00] also when that is enabled no shut down or log out in system menu, which has been the case since 9.04 with edited fast user account switcher [22:00] ubuntujenkins: thanks. i do appreciate it. [22:00] ,but what's even worse when it comes to 10.04 is how, with the edited fast user account switcher and me menu. no upstream automatic shut down feature [22:00] anymore [22:00] you know the one that will shut down after a minute automatically, after telling it to shut down, if un touched? you know the one I mean right? I hope [22:01] instead these newbie, do you really want to shut down, do you really want to restart, messages instead [22:01] I I know I thought that was a silly feature 10 seconds would have been better [22:01] 10 seconds for what? [22:01] 10 seconds instead of 60 [22:02] anyway can have automatic shut down, but got to remove me menu, and edited fast user account switcher from the panel first, yep both since they are linked [22:02] 10 seconds uh no [22:02] 60 is good [22:02] 60 gives people quite a lot of time to cancel, if they did it accidently [22:02] KDE has 30 seconds [22:02] if I remember correctly [22:02] 30 is more reasonable [22:03] when Ubuntu 8.10 came out [22:03] which sadly went end of life yesterday [22:03] well when that great release came out, one of the features other than the great default background, that I liked [22:03] a lot [22:03] was the automatic shut down feature [22:04] I found that quite the upgrade over 8.04 [22:04] RIP 8.10 :( [22:05] oh 8.10, oh 8.10 <3 [22:05] not good then :( [22:05] even though the ethernet woudn't just work on the other computer sadly, however that also needs a driver in XP [22:06] and by the time I finally bothered to upgrade it to 8.10 from 8.04, 9.04 was out anyway. and 9.04 is great with the optionallExt4 support (which isn't perfectly stable since the kernel and such) and verbose/text mode [22:06] at first I thought the upgrade had gone wrong, but then I did a Live CD, and woudn't work there either [22:07] I tried to figure out a bit about how I would get it working, was suggested to look in /etc/hosts for something and stuff like that, but gave up soon after woulds. since 9.04 was already out [22:07] anyway going back to 10.04, I also don't like how the envolope is linked to the sound applet [22:07] that new sound applet I guess is alright, shame that envelope is linked to it though. oh and an envelope icon is quite pathetic really, unless it's for an email client [22:08] I am not bothered by those changes, as long as i can do what i want thats fine by me [22:08] I don't really care about Facebook [22:08] :) [22:08] since... [22:08] so yep I haven't even tested the me menu as in with logged in accounts [22:08] Gwibber [22:08] played around with what I could in vm, without logging in to accounts though. [22:09] I am not much of a gwibber fan the pidgin plugin for facebook is better [22:09] yes I have used the Facebook IM plugin before in Pidgin, and will set it up again, but not just yet [22:09] anyway doesn't the envelope show Pidgin stuff as well? or is it really linked to empathy [22:10] IlyaHaykinson: kevin and i were talking the other night and a question along the lines of http://paste.ubuntu.com/426080/ would be useful for both the manual program. (and quickshot) [22:10] when I installed Pidgin into vm, it would show the icon and name in the envelope [22:10] sebsebseb: yes but even after removeing empathy you still see the chat line for empathy [22:10] never set up an account in it though [22:10] ubuntujenkins: I have even played with that [22:10] you can remove the [22:10] set up email account [22:10] set up chat account, messages from the evenlope quite easilly [22:11] remove the programs, or maybe there indicator programs as well. well I was able to do it in a vm that I did [22:11] for this very reason, I am thinking about removing evolution, but also Ubuntu One [22:11] I have yet to reboot since removing empthay so I will haev to see [22:11] I don't want the Ubuntu Music Store [22:12] nice feature, but this is not something I want to use, or my older brother who woudn't want to use it anyway I expect, he would rather buy CD's, or get for free legally [22:12] just remove the plugin it is expensive [22:12] MP3's [22:12] ah ha you have actsauly tried it or ? [22:12] I looked at the prices and downloaded a free song [22:12] ubuntujenkins: well omgubuntu site, said that, Canoncial was going to give 50% of the profits to some charity [22:12] to save the Lucid Lynx [22:12] or whatever it was [22:13] I did read that [22:13] ubuntujenkins: well Banshee is what I use persoanlly :) since like 9.04 [22:13] and I even got my older brother using Banshee before. [22:13] yes yes Mono, but anyway Banshee :) [22:13] Mono isn't really a good thing for Desktop Linux though, but some pretty good programs use it [22:14] I find banshee crashes and is delayed in getting podcasts [22:14] ubuntujenkins: heh we are so off topic, but so what [22:14] !ot [22:14] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [22:14] ah [22:14] no [22:14] its not as if we are stopping people from talking [22:14] the factoid I came up with before, is no longer there [22:15] Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [22:15] it's not there anymore :( [22:15] dutchie: sort that out please :) ^ [22:15] I do remember it I will ask dutchie when he is back from oggcamp [22:15] oggcamp? [22:15] for the music format? [22:15] and video [22:15] oh yeah there's something about how Apple will now try and patent sue, the company who made OGG, or whatever it was [22:16] no http://oggcamp.org [22:16] I know that URL thing you know with the title [22:16] isn't useually done in Ubuntu channels, but maybe the bot here should do it [22:16] apple always try and sure people. evil company [22:16] what url thing? [22:16] in fact I have never seen that done in an Ubuntu channel, maybe unoffical ones though [22:17] ubuntujenkins: there's one for bots, where it will get the title of the webpage and show people [22:17] when a link is given out [22:17] not seen it i am usually in ubuntu channels [22:17] yes [22:17] that's what I was saying [22:17] Ubuntu channels don't do it [22:17] ,but maybe this one could/should [22:18] depends thats an ask dutchie again [22:19] in a way [22:19] removing default apps [22:19] is removing the Ubuntu experience or at least some of it ? [22:20] I mean it's still Ubuntu sure, but in a way it isn't, get what I mean? [22:20] I get what you mean but part of ubuntu is that it can be customized [22:21] they just make suggestions of what they think is the best programs [22:21] ubuntujenkins: well that's the case for all/most distros [22:21] true [22:22] my older brother well what I said so far about editing, so human theme, remove some apps [22:22] this time round I am going to let him have the Gnome edits though [22:22] so yep he will no longer be shutting down from the system menu as a result [22:23] well I am forced to let him have what I don't really want him to have, by giving him the me menu, which is what I do want him to have [22:23] my little brother is to young and that, so yep like before, bye bye fast user account switcher their edited one, which also means the me menu since they are linked, if they hadn't been I would have removed me menu seperatly [22:23] my account on there will be like this as well [22:23] then yep shut down and log out in system menu :) and I guess the icons will still be showing there after upgrade, if not I can enable that [22:24] :) [22:24] and I tried the plymouth themes in vm [22:24] I haven't looked into them at all [22:24] the default is alright, but I like the text boot one. that will say Ubuntu 10.04 and have the dots [22:24] any good ones? [22:25] so that's the one I will go for, which is really the one that is shown, if people can't show the others properly since graphics card, or whatever repo was saying [22:25] and yes they are all good really or most of them [22:25] plymouth is not new for me at all [22:25] since Mandriva was a distro that had it first ;) [22:25] :) [22:26] it's really a Fedora/Redhat thing though [22:26] yep fedora had it last release [22:26] yep and Mandriva One 2010 which came out in November [22:26] Ubuntu had that lame Xsplash effect instead [22:27] I really didn't like that much at all, the white Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen on boot up, I thought it was quite pathetic really [22:27] so when other computer went 9.10, just like I had done before on this one, Kubuntu xsplash theme instead. and yes KDM :) I don't like GDM 2 much at all [22:27] you couldn't tell if ubuntu was doing anything with just the logo [22:28] KDM looks a lot better in Lucid by default, since KDE 4.4 has improved it [22:28] yes the dots are good for plymouth in 10.04 [22:28] the loading dots [22:28] not really got on with kdm [22:28] kdm used to suck [22:28] and GDM was :) [22:28] ,but then they ruined GDM, upstream Gnome that is [22:28] and well KDM just happens to be way better than it was :) [22:29] LXDM the Lubuntu one, now that's a rather nice log in screen as well, with the Lubuntu logo by default [22:29] I have the lubuntu iso to try [22:30] slim is in repo in Lucid, rather customizable log in screen, and it has the Debian logo and so theme by default [22:30] I was telling a IRC friend of mine from the Ubuntu channels, this log in screen stuff earlier, in #ubuntu [22:30] as well as suggesting KDM to someone that said they were a new user :) since they wanted a better screen [22:31] oh lubuntu is rather nice indeed [22:31] I installed in 9.10 on other computer, but I also vm'd an ISO of beta 1 or 2 on this one [22:31] something about how it won't be offical untill 10.10 though [22:31] for whatever reason/s [22:32] just putting it on a flash drive now [22:32] Lubuntu big :) [22:33] apparantly it's also a lot more lite waight than XFCE [22:36] ubuntujenkins: I typed that upstream Gnome ruined GDM, well it's ok really, I just much prefer other log in screens instead :) [22:36] shame though that new one can't be themed like old one, and that kind of thing, well with some other program maybe [22:37] altough I think it's can change the background, and that's about it [22:37] I have just been looking at slim, see if i can find a nice ubuntu theme for it [22:38] there doesn't seem to be one, well not on it's offical website anyway [22:38] ,but [22:38] it seems by the website, that it woudn't be that hard to make our own theme [22:39] well I won't just recommend slim or LXDM to people in #ubuntu even though they are also good [22:39] since, LXDM will say Lubuntu on it, and slim will say Debian [22:39] by default [22:39] I had noticed, just not very artistic [22:39] when getting from repo [22:39] you had noticed what? [22:39] oh that it's quite easy to make a theme for slim? [22:40] how easy it would be to make a slim theme [22:40] I don't bother with graphics design myself, I have made some basic graphics before on computer though. [22:41] I think i will go to bed night sebsebseb, good to haev a chat with you [22:41] ubuntujenkins: one last thing [22:41] kk [22:42] ubuntujenkins: I think the reason the manualbot factoid for ot changed, is since they have imported a later version of the ubottu brain or however these bots work [22:42] !manual [22:42] The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [22:42] yes [22:42] that seems to confirm that [22:42] !controls [22:42] In Lucid, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons have been moved to the left side. For more information, please see http://alturl.com/b6ja | To move them back to the right-hand side, see http://alturl.com/x5d6 [22:42] and this [22:43] sebsebseb: that may be the case, O thought dutchie would just teach the manual one to it [22:43] ubuntujenkins: yep [22:43] ubuntujenkins: also nearly 11pm is a bit early for a Saturday night isn't it? [22:43] espesaily when it's also bank hoilday weekend [22:43] I ahev loads of uni work and am stupidly tired all the time at the moment [22:44] ubuntujenkins: I have a feeling that in the morning, you might see some more factoids from #ubuntu [22:44] you know why :D [22:44] factoids uh [22:44] that was meant to be highlights [22:44] lol, its good you are promoting it [22:44] ubuntujenkins: yeah, but [22:44] got to do it correctly [22:44] otherwise it's spamming really [22:45] yep, anyway night [22:45] ok night [22:45] ubuntujenkins: sleep tight [22:45] good night sleep tight [22:45] as the saying goes [22:48] For anyone that might/will read this, hrm, I say he might have more high lights, and then he leaves this channel, but also #ubuntu Well if he isn't in the channel the word manual won't high light him. Also I might not be using the word manual again in a channel tonight, don't know yet.