* hyperair wonders if anyone here has had issues with plymouth.. | 00:43 | |
hyperair | er i mean mountall + plymouth | 00:44 |
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hyperair | fsck seems to hang | 00:44 |
Pici | bug 571707 | 00:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 571707 in mountall "fsck at bootstrap is too slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571707 | 00:46 |
arand | hyperair: I just posted a workaround in description ;) | 00:50 |
hyperair | arand: i tried that, it didn't seem to work very well for me. | 00:51 |
hyperair | arand: in particular, did you try watching your hard disk light? | 00:51 |
hyperair | arand: the hard disk light turns off and stays that way after 80% | 00:51 |
arand | hyperair: And spoke to keybuk, which said that it will likely take acouple of weeks before it will be addressed.. | 00:51 |
* hyperair sighs | 00:51 | |
hyperair | lucid's in a pretty sad state eh.. | 00:52 |
arand | hyperair: Yes, that's the same as I had I think. | 00:52 |
hyperair | arand: does your hd light come back on when you switch ttys? | 00:52 |
arand | hyperair: We've gone from no sound in karmic to no boot in lucid, it's not a good trade... | 00:53 |
arand | hyperair: I could test I guess, I'm using a virtualbox for it. | 00:53 |
hyperair | arand: no sound in karmic? | 00:53 |
hyperair | arand: i had plenty of sound. | 00:53 |
arand | hyperair: Yea, me too, but that seemed to be the one common bug that people saw in karmic. | 00:55 |
hyperair | arand: but what was the cause of the issue? | 00:56 |
hyperair | hmm maybe it was pulseaudio hanging, it seemed pretty prone to hanging in karmic. | 00:56 |
arand | hyperair: A couple of things, the old kernel on upgrade, the simple volume muted... At least my impression of karmic was that it was the "nosound" release, if naming from issues. | 00:58 |
hyperair | lol | 00:58 |
hyperair | karmic was that golden release for me.. =\ | 00:58 |
hyperair | besides intrepid | 00:58 |
hyperair | jaunty was shit. | 00:58 |
hyperair | lucid... *groan* | 00:59 |
hyperair | well i expect lucid.1 will be better. | 00:59 |
arand | In hindsight, plymouth might not have been the bestest... But then again, it was tried and discarded in karmic, so it made a whole lot of sense to push it now or never... | 01:02 |
hyperair | on the contrary. | 01:04 |
hyperair | we should have pushed it in karmic | 01:04 |
hyperair | that would have made for a solid LTS. | 01:04 |
hyperair | what we have now is a LTS full of partially implemented changes. | 01:05 |
arand | Yea, but a very unkarmic koala though... | 01:05 |
hyperair | one is plymouth. another is the initramfs-tools resume script. and yet another is the application indicators, as not all the apps have been ported over to use them yet | 01:06 |
arand | Hmm, fsck halts at 70% and HD activity is null. | 01:06 |
hyperair | ye | 01:06 |
hyperair | now try switching vts | 01:07 |
hyperair | and check the HD activity | 01:07 |
hyperair | does it return? | 01:07 |
arand | still no activity | 01:07 |
arand | when switching back to splash it's up to 90% | 01:08 |
hyperair | hmm | 01:08 |
hyperair | interesting | 01:08 |
hyperair | does it go past 90%? | 01:08 |
hyperair | i fell asleep at 90% and just ctrl+alt+del'd my way out | 01:08 |
jdong | *cringe* ah, doesn't all this parallel startup bring back memories of Windows XP bootup problems? | 01:08 |
arand | And then switching back to VT, and it boots in 10 seconds | 01:09 |
jdong | "ah it's hanging at the blue screen with the cursor and nothing's happening!" | 01:09 |
arand | So it seems it takes two VT-switches to get it past... *scratches head* | 01:09 |
arand | And if I switch to early, the fsck is interrupted... | 01:11 |
hyperair | jdong: oh yay we're finally reaching where windows XP was... er how many years ago? =p | 01:11 |
hyperair | lol | 01:11 |
jdong | hyperair: ;-) | 01:13 |
jdong | hyperair: well we still have to figure out how to actually move blocks around ;-) | 01:14 |
hyperair | jdong: blocks? | 01:14 |
jdong | hyperair: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/ureadahead-pack.svg | 01:14 |
jdong | hyperair: that's the disk access pattern during bootup for Ubuntu ;-) | 01:14 |
hyperair | whoa. | 01:14 |
jdong | hyperair: Windows since XP on idle will move all boot blocks together to the front of the disk. | 01:14 |
hyperair | interesting. | 01:14 |
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jdong | hyperair: and Vista/7 takes it further by using some fancy machine learning algorithm to lay out the disk | 01:15 |
hyperair | ._. | 01:15 |
hyperair | interesting. | 01:15 |
jdong | (and prefetch things into cache before they're asked for) | 01:15 |
hyperair | sounds like they're ahead of us. | 01:15 |
jdong | so hehe it's interesting to see Ubuntu walk down that path. | 01:15 |
hyperair | heh | 01:15 |
jdong | hyperair: well why else does a 20GB Windows 7 install boot pretty much the same speed as a 1.2GB Ubuntu install? :-/ | 01:16 |
hyperair | jdong: good point. | 01:16 |
hyperair | well we still boot much faster than vista and xp though | 01:16 |
hyperair | \o/ | 01:16 |
hyperair | despite not using far-fetched algos | 01:16 |
jdong | well sure, but that's like saying my lawnmower gets better fuel economy than a ferrari ;-) | 01:17 |
hyperair | i imagine if we did something like that, we'd break our 10-second goal | 01:17 |
hyperair | jdong: well said =p | 01:17 |
hyperair | so we should have something like this for the next gsoc | 01:18 |
jdong | hyperair: yeah I think that'll be our next step. at least the ability to statically use ext4 defrag APIs to move boot files together. | 01:18 |
hyperair | basically some hack that allows a userspace program to tell the kernel to shift these blocks where | 01:18 |
jdong | hyperair: and in the future, the ability to dynamically do this via btrfs | 01:18 |
hyperair | ooh e4defrag huh | 01:18 |
hyperair | yay btrfs | 01:18 |
arand | Aw.. what on earth, it doesn't work with normal VT-switching, I need to ude ctrl+al+arrow, and do it twice for it to work properly, ...the fish!? | 01:20 |
arand | Hang on, not even that, just arrowkeys works... I wonder if plymouth interprets arrowkeys in some special fancy way.. | 01:22 |
hyperair | the "C" doesn't work for me | 01:24 |
arand | hyperair: No, seems like plymouth itself is almost gone at this point | 01:28 |
hyperair | arand: heh? | 01:31 |
hyperair | hmmm i discovered something. | 01:34 |
hyperair | it seems that X has a tendency to hang under some circumstances if started without "splash" | 01:35 |
arand | Horray for more bugs! | 01:42 |
crimsun | polemic users always make me a sad panda. | 03:26 |
cody-somerville | lol | 03:27 |
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slytherin | Rhonda: The wesnoth packages you had posted are not accessible anymore. | 11:06 |
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slytherin | Rhonda: there? | 18:08 |
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ghostcube | anyone from the ppa nvidia vdpau team here? | 20:12 |
alkisg | My package contains a twisted module. I install it with the distutils » setup() » py_modules variable, and it goes to /usr/share/pyshared/twisted/plugins/myplugin.py. But in order for it to work a symlink is also needed in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/twisted/plugins/myplugin.py. What's the normal way to create that symlink? I can't find it in any docs... | 21:22 |
imbrandon | any git guru's round ? | 22:58 |
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