[00:00] u see my "scenario" is that i have some sensitive data on an external usb drive which i wanna store on u1 encrypted just as a safety backup [00:00] i dont want to browse it on u1 websoite or anything [00:00] so my idea is to use a Private directory in my $HOME [00:00] every once in a week or so [00:00] i rsync there my external drive [00:01] (after mounting an other partition to ~/Private with cryptfs) [00:01] after rsync done i umount cryptfs from ~/Private [00:02] now ~/Private contains encrypted files [00:02] and now do the u1 sync [00:02] hirisov: cryptfs stores all the files in a single file, right? [00:03] no, the filenames still remains the same [00:03] but the content is encrypted [00:03] so if i chaneg 3 files in 30000 [00:03] not 1 big file will change [00:03] but just that 3 [00:03] basically all files became binary [00:03] hirisov: so, you can actually browse that using the webui [00:03] with a strong encryption [00:04] webui will only show the name of files and directories [00:04] but not the content [00:04] hirisov: yes, the web don't show the contents [00:04] with cryptfs i could choose the encrypt the filenames as well so they became garbage also [00:04] but that not a goal now [00:04] hirisov: but you will be able to download specific files [00:04] ? [00:05] ye but they r unusable w/o the decrypt key [00:05] even if sy gets them [00:05] hirisov: ok, I understand [00:05] but for thsi to work the u1 sync proicess can only run [00:05] after i finished rsync and unmounted crpytfs from ~/Private [00:05] hirisov: when the encrypted paritition isn't mounted, what's in ~/Private? [00:05] if it just starts to think whenever it thinks [00:06] all the same files but they r encrypted [00:06] hirisov: and when you mount it, it decrypts de files inplace? [00:06] after "moutning" cryptfs it just means the content becamoes readable by any application [00:06] ye [00:06] hirisov: hmm..got it [00:06] hirisov: you might nee to be extra carefull with that setup [00:07] so ~/Private whyn cryptfs is moutned contaisn nromal files, when cryptfs is unmounted it contains encoded garbage [00:07] hirisov: e.g: never mounting it when syncdaemon is running [00:07] well it's just a backup [00:07] exactly [00:07] thats why i'd like to know/control when sycndaemon exactly runs [00:08] and i think this feature would be a major plus for u1 for all the users who r concerned about uploading sensitive data to a cloud [00:09] and as i see all it needs is that there would be a safe way to stop/start the sync daemon [00:09] which takes into account taht it's actually syncing or not [00:09] sadly i don't have the knowledge to program that DBus signal catching script u mentioned :( [00:09] hirisov: ATM, you can do that manually [00:10] hirisov: e.g: after unmounting the parition: u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect [00:10] hirisov: to check what syncdaemon is doing: u1sdtool --status [00:10] hirisov: once it reach IDLE: u1sdtool --quit [00:11] great, this is good enough for me [00:11] hirisov: let me show you what's the output of an IDLE syncdaemon [00:11] as long as i can be sure that if i disable the u1 service from system>preferences>startup [00:12] then until i say " u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect" u1sync wont try to do anything [00:12] hirisov: you can change a config value to stop syncdaemon to start [00:12] is taht correct? [00:12] at all [00:12] hirisov: yes [00:12] where can i change taht config value? [00:13] hirisov: all the config options are available at: /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf [00:14] hirisov: if you want to change something for a specific user [00:14] hirisov: you need to create ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf [00:14] hirisov: config changes are reloaded on start, so if you change something you need to quit and start syncdaemon [00:15] sure ty, the global way will be ok for me now [00:15] hirisov: if you put this in that file: [00:15] [__main__] [00:15] files_sync_enabled = 0 [00:15] hirisov: syncdaemon will not start [00:15] hirisov: when you want to make it start, change the value to 1. and u1sdtool --start [00:16] hirisov: that value is the one that the preferences app change when you uncheck the file synchronization checkbox ;) [00:16] hirisov: you should not change the global config :) [00:17] i see, so if i uncheck everything in the "services" tab of the preferences app [00:17] then i'm safe taht nothing starts before i manually enable it and start the sync? [00:18] hirisov: yeap [00:18] great, a bit manual but well i dont exaclty use it for what you "intended" for so it's okay [00:19] hirisov: also, if you want the full power of manual sync, you can use u1sync [00:19] hirisov: it's a command line tool to sync stuff manually [00:20] is taht a separate package? [00:20] seems i dont have such "command" [00:20] hirisov: it's in the ubuntuone-client-tools, and it's intended to power users only..as you might shoot in the foot [00:20] hehe :)) [00:21] well thanks a lot for this info, i do the trm about it [00:21] hirisov: np [00:21] probably taht will be the best way [00:22] i really think however taht when things settle down a bit it would be worth the look into integratr some similar crypt solutions to u1 [00:22] taht would be a MAJOR plus afaik on the market [00:22] indeed [00:22] and as i see we have all the tools needed for it just some glue needed;) [00:23] and ecryptfs is a nice standard tool, ubuntu uses this very tool when u install it with "encrypted hoem directory" so all the packages etc r there [00:33] i need a specific port for ubuntu one music store? [00:35] waltercool: I think the store uses http(s) [00:36] verterok: So... is strange... im on a place with restricted navigation (hotspot) and i cant access to UOMS, i just can see a "nternet connection is required to access the music store" message [00:37] waltercool: let me check locally [00:37] ok [00:37] ty [00:40] waltercool: rhytmobox seems to be using port 80 [00:40] verterok: how did you debug that? [00:41] waltercool: netstat -putanl | grep ESTABLISHED | grep rhythmbox [00:42] verterok: oh... but you need have that working... [00:42] waltercool: what do I need? [00:43] verterok: i cant get ubuntu one music store working... just appear like disconnected [00:44] waltercool: I just restarted rhytmbox, and it first connect using 443 [00:44] then it uses port 80 for the store browsing [00:45] port 443? [00:45] for logging? [00:45] waltercool: 91.189.89.219:443 [00:45] log in [00:46] waltercool: might be, not really sure what the rhythmbox plugin do [00:46] thats a Ubuntu One IP [00:46] maybe i need port 443 for get it working =/ [00:46] waltercool: yes [00:47] well... that sTucks... [00:48] waltercool: weird that you can't use port 443 [00:49] :( [00:51] verterok: because my hotspot (im on my university) have all ports blocked [00:51] ah, ok...that's bad :( [00:53] verterok: yeah, and i need work with ssh =/ [00:53] verterok: im lucky, because webchat exists =D [00:53] :) [00:54] verterok, pls is http://pastebin.com/5Ts3gCX9 indicate that synxc is in IDLE state? [00:54] hirisov: oh, sorry I completely forgot about that :? [00:54] :/ [00:55] hirisov: yes, that's IDLE [00:55] no need for sorry really i appreciatte all your help [00:55] seems normal hirisov [00:56] okay now if i do " u1sdtool --quit " in the preferences app the sync starst instantly [00:56] why is that?:) [00:57] says "sync in progress" (guess tahst the english version, it appears hungarian" [00:57] in hungarian to me) [00:58] hirisov: hmm, seems that the preferences app it's starting syncdaemon again..let me check that real quick [00:58] now the pref app says "disconnected", but it definitelly tried to sync [00:59] it doens't says "sync is complete" like after a nromal sync, but this "disconnected" [00:59] so probably it doesnt start it just the text is msileading? [01:01] hirisov: might be a bug in the preferences app [01:01] sure ty, meanwhile i do another test after a--start && --connect i'll --quit again and watch the --status what's exactly happening [01:02] (btw is taht normal i synced 30 mins ago first and tehre is onyl 1 file in my directory with the size of 12 KB and i cant see it on the web?) [01:04] hirisov: not sure what you'r looking [01:04] hirisov: did you marked Private to be synced? [01:04] https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ [01:04] ye [01:05] right clicked on it in nautilus and told it to sync [01:05] hirisov: ok, could you run: u1sdtool --list-folders ? [01:05] hirisov: better, do you see the Private folder in the web? [01:05] i dont see it [01:05] and it says "No folders" [01:05] hirisov: so it never synced [01:06] hirisov: please run: u1sdtool --list-folders [01:06] i ran, it says "no filders" [01:06] hirisov: so, it seems ~/Private isn't under syncdaemon control [01:07] http://pastebin.com/5VY6AUCy [01:07] hirisov: is the syncdaemon connected? [01:07] hm and how is taht possible? [01:07] ye, i ran "u1sdtool --start && u1sdtool --connect" [01:07] hirisov: it might never executed that action in the server [01:07] hirisov: as your token was invalid [01:07] hirisov: is the client in IDLE state? [01:07] ye [01:08] and it just finsihed the sync 30 secs ago [01:08] my token is valid for 1 hr now [01:08] and i marked the foler after it [01:08] folder* [01:09] hirisov: please check (using nautilus) if you can mark the folder to be synced with u1 or to stop syncing it [01:09] "sharo on ubuntu one" [01:09] share* [01:09] hirisov: no [01:09] "stop u1 syncron" [01:09] both greyed out [01:09] hirisov: yes, that.. [01:09] no other options [01:09] hmm, ok [01:10] i cannot actually click on these options [01:10] but before it was "sync with u1" and i choose that [01:10] hirisov: please run: u1sdtool --create-folder=$HOME/Private [01:11] hirisov: syncdameon should chrun a bit and go back to IDLE state [01:11] running, takes a while [01:11] hirisov: oh, actually it will start syncing the folder [01:11] hirisov: check in the web if you have the Private folder there [01:11] yes the folder appeared on the web! [01:12] hirisov: so it might take a while as the server are a bit slow...but it will eventually finish the sync [01:12] hm probably if i disabel u1 service" it cannot register when i add folders? [01:12] hirisov: probably [01:12] hirisov: as syncdaemon isn't running [01:13] and nautilus signals the syncdaemon? [01:13] hirisov: yes, via DBus [01:13] i see, so i shoudl enable the service, set up all the folders i wanna sync, then i can disable the service [01:13] and do a reboot and after that the --start && --connect method shoudl be fine [01:13] hirisov: yes, once the folders get synced ;) [01:14] ofc :)) [01:14] hirisov: I need to step out for bit, but be back later [01:14] sure mate np [01:14] ttyl! [01:14] also i go sleep now just u know shiny exciting tool [01:14] hard to leave it when it's halfway done;) [01:22] gnite all [01:26] gnite [01:26] * waltercool is late [03:37] I've got the "Synchronization in progress..." blues. Any devs around? [03:41] No matter how often I click the "add this computer" button, my computer is not added, and I just see the confirm screen again. Is this a known problem? === cpg is now known as cpg|away === cpg|away is now known as cpg [04:50] I have a fresh lucid install with no u1 prefs start-up [06:32] hello [06:32] does the outage disable the "Add This Computer" button on the ubuntu one website? [06:33] ah, I see there's a FAQ entry on this [06:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#Account === cpg is now known as cpg|away [12:30] In 10.04, I cannot sync my files anymore. Does anyone has the same issue ? [13:13] yes [13:13] I've had a nightmare with u1 [13:14] now it seems to work for no reason all of a sudden thouhg [13:15] hello Vincent_k [13:28] hello [14:30] honk [14:31] so am i to understand that music i've bought won't download to my machines over the weekend? [14:51] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [14:53] sorry about that :\ [14:54] honk [15:01] honk [15:40] "honk" [17:03] uh, honk [17:03] (Once again) [17:03] Regular syncing is supposed to work, isn't it? [17:03] File-wise [17:14] honk [17:29] still honking :) [17:31] hehe, I was honking around six .. nobody showed up yet [17:31] But it's the weekend [17:31] So I guess that's ok [17:32] :) I though it was worth a try [17:32] So what's your problem, maybe we can help each other [17:34] Moe: hello [17:34] hey duanedesign [17:35] Moe: having trouble syncing? [17:35] duanedesign: Indeed I do [17:35] I see that it's connecting .. but, supposedly, doesn't want to sync [17:35] Moe: is this a new install? [17:36] No, it's an upgraded installation [17:36] It used to work [17:36] ok [17:36] I bought a couple of tracks through the music store [17:36] And most of them synced fine [17:36] But because of a hickup a couple of them didn't get transfered [17:37] Moe: do you have Ubuntu One connected now? [17:37] Yes, I do [17:37] can you open a Terminal and see what you get from this command. u1sdtool -s [17:38] Sure [17:38] "doing the auth dance" [17:39] could you paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com and post the address here [17:40] Of course, sec [17:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/425971/ [17:41] It is still doing the dance though [17:41] That might very well be why it doesn't sync I guess [17:41] yeah [17:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/425973/ [17:43] Now it changed .. doesn't look very promising thogh [17:43] nope [17:44] well, I guess it's not unusual given the lynx just got unleached [17:44] The servers must be getting hammered by requests right now [17:46] one sec, i am testing mine to see what i get [17:46] Roger that [17:47] Can anyone help me add this computer using lynx? [17:47] hello DMark [17:47] I can [17:47] hello duanedesign, [17:48] I am on https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/ step 8, and cannot find the add this computer button. [17:48] yeah it is a bug that has been affecting some people http://bit.ly/caHbOf [17:49] DMark: you will need to close the client and run : u1sdtool -q; kilall-ubuntuone-login [17:49] then when you open ubuntu one from the me menu it will open firefox to add your computer [17:50] That looks like it worked. Thank you. [17:50] Moe: ok. well it took a bit but mine looks like it connected [17:51] honk [17:51] mhm, I just checked [17:51] It's still in "limbo" [17:51] Maybe I should restart the daemon [17:52] Moe: is there anything in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log [17:52] terwilliger: hello [17:52] Hi Duaje [17:52] Duane [17:52] When you have a minute, I'm still not getting sync'd [17:53] Moe: if that is empty check ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log [17:53] terwilliger: are you trying to connect right now? [17:53] Nope, it does hold a couple of errors [17:53] Yup [17:53] It's actually the same error over and over again [17:53] terwilliger: can you run u1sdtool -s [17:54] Sure. Hang on [17:54] duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425976/ [17:54] terwilliger: in a Terminal and then paste the results at http://paste.ubuntu.com [17:55] * Moe restarts the daemon .. while discovering a rouge ubuntuone-login process [17:55] Moe: ok lets try and reauthenticate your computer. [17:56] Done [17:56] terwilliger: after you paste it you will get an address like paste.ubuntu/derfgg [17:56] post that here. [17:56] duanedesign: After the restart it did connect now .. I suppose the "rouge" ubuntuone-login process did prevent it from logging in correctly [17:57] Let's see whether it's going to sync now [17:57] Moe: interesting. [17:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/425977/ [17:57] duanedesign: I have the same exceptions as Moe. I already tried, mine is not syncing [17:58] terwilliger: ok yours is connected and working on a sync. Things are just really slow right now with the release. Everyone is filling up there Ubuntu One folders and buying music [17:58] Yay for buying music ;) [17:58] schaze: what do you get when you run: u1sdtool -s [17:59] Hmmmm..."Synchronization in progress..." has been showing for 17 minutes for a 182 K upload? [17:59] I really like the store being connected directly to the cloud .. it makes keeping a music library across computers so much easier [18:00] Duanedesign: Good enough. Thnx [18:00] duanedesign: I just did a u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login ... one sec [18:00] duanedesign: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425979/ - Now it says it's syncing .. but there is no network activity at all [18:00] I wonder what it's doing [18:00] terwilliger: yeah, i know its pretty slow right now. They have added more servers to speed things up [18:00] The ubuntuone-preferences dialog isn't very verbose [18:00] duanedesign: dancing [18:01] schaze: ok [18:02] schaze: then it should go to State: AUTHENTICATE [18:02] duanedesign: it just got an exception and is now retrying [18:03] schaze: did you have the two ubuntuone-login processes like Moe [18:03] duanedesign: "waiting before try connecting again" [18:04] duanedesign: at the moment I have 1, did not check how many it were before though [18:05] duanedesign: It's syncing! [18:05] At least u1sdtool --current-transfers says so [18:05] Moe: allright! [18:05] Great [18:06] Thank you for your help [18:06] Appreciate it [18:06] duanedesign: syncdaemon.log --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/425981/ [18:06] Moe: no problem, anytime :) [18:06] :) [18:07] duanedesign: ah, now it is "doing server rescan" [18:08] schaze: aha [18:09] duanedesign: processing queues [18:09] schaze: sounds like you made it through :) [18:10] duanedesign: I have been there already this morning. Problem is it will get until the queues: IDLE state but I never get a green check on the folders of my synced folders [18:10] duanedesign: files are green though. And I can't stop an outside folder from being synced [18:11] schaze: do you have a ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log from around that time [18:11] duanedesign: only one with errrors Moe posted. And that was while connecting. nothing after it [18:12] duanedesign: Now I am actually in the state again: processing queues | and queues: IDLE [18:13] schaze: and you still have files that are not showing up online? [18:14] duanedesign: no, all files are there but all folders are having the gray circle arrow with the "!" [18:14] and they never get green [18:16] schaze: ahh, your emblems are broken. [18:16] I also have my ~/Documents folder synced (for testing) which I want to "Stop synchronizing on Ubuntu one" but this option i grayed out in nautilus [18:16] duanedesign: only the emblems? :) really? ok how do I fix them? [18:17] schaze: i am looking to see if there is a bug report [18:18] duanedesign: I can check that too, it just never occurred to me that the emblems could be broken :) [18:19] duanedesign: but I believe something else is also wrong. I created a testfile (text, 5 bytes big) 5 minutes ago and it is still in uploading status... [18:20] duanedesign: there is one with rogue emblems :) [18:21] FYI... i updated the Ubuntu One status page with info on contacts and notes sync and the music store - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status [18:23] mattgriffin: Is there any issues known concerning German umlauts? [18:23] Concerning music store syncing that is [18:23] duanedesign: hm... I don't think the emblems are hanging. my testfile is still in uploading state and the log just reported a lost connection [18:24] duanedesign: u1sdtool -s is reporting "WORKING_ON_BOTH" however [18:27] schaze: well it could have some metadata still to work out [18:28] i am sorry but i am being called away by the family :) I will be back in about an hour or so. [18:28] duanedesign: but for 15mins? [18:29] schaze: yeah it is really slow right now [18:29] duanedesign: ok. no problem. Thanks a lot for your help so far! [18:30] i imagine come monday it will start getting better. They added a bunch of new servers right before the release. [18:30] good to hear [18:30] So during a typical load it was working very fast. [18:30] I bought a song yesterday and it took 25mins to download it to my disk. that freaked me out a bit :) [18:34] schaze: I bought around 45 tunes last week .. and it didn't even sync to the cloud at first [18:34] I wrote two tickets for the 7digital support [18:35] None of which I recieved an answer for by the way [18:35] (Might wanna look into that) [18:35] Luckily, the situation solved itself somehow [18:38] Moe: Thanks. Lukily the sync to the cloud was fine for me, only the download by u1 was slow [18:39] mhm === cpg|away is now known as cpg [19:18] If https://login.ubuntu.com/+login allows me to login using my launchpad account, why can't I just login through launchpad? it provides openid, doesn't it? and I have a password already saved there [19:18] can I submit this as a but somewhere? [19:20] bug* [20:08] honk [20:30] do even public transit people go honk to get a lil help? Channels lil quiet. [20:32] I'm on Kubuntu lucid atm, I wanna install the gnome client and have installed it from apt-get but it seems all the dependencies aren't met. On startup just crashes. I've verified and on lucid in my vm works. Is there a way of tracking down all the packages u1 needs without me installing all the extra Gnome packages I don't need? [20:34] Just did a fresh install of lucid. Connected my PC to my ubuntuone account. I'm using about 6mb of storage and my computer will not sync. In preferences, it changes between "sync in progress" and disconnected every few minutes. no files appear in the ubuntuone folder [20:37] NateWiebe: we might be waiting a bit, channel is quiet. [20:37] starcraftman: whats the issue you have? [20:38] NateWiebe: client not working on kde at all even though I installed supposed gnome dependencies. [20:39] that sucks.. im on gnome, the client works, but no syncing [20:40] U1 sync has always been hit and miss since using lucid betas..for me. [20:41] it worked great in karmic.. but using lucid there are many issues i have had during the past few weeks [20:42] i changed some permissions in my home folder.. would that be a reason? [20:42] duffydack: what should the Ubuntu One folder permissions be set to? [20:42] NateWiebe: I think I agree, my karmic box has no spotty issues with syncing. Just my two lucid ones, well when I was testing on lucid gnome. [20:44] well, if anyone in the channel comes back and has advice to support my issue, ping me please. [20:44] NateWiebe, for mine (never used it, I use other folders, which is why I use U1 and not dropbox) its set to 775 [20:45] should the owner and group be your username? [20:47] NateWiebe, yeah, its in your ~ [20:48] drwxrwxr-x 2 dean dean 4096 2010-04-17 13:52 Ubuntu One [20:49] duanedesign: what command did you give me to track the progress of u1? [20:49] (the other day) [20:50] NateWiebe .. i've been getitng the same symtoms for a few days now [20:50] Karmic and Lucid [20:51] ive got 800k on U1 and currently its taken 1hr to get the directory structure synced on my new install [20:51] took about 10/15 login attempts to actually connect too [20:52] u1sdtool --waiting-content and u1sdtool --waiting-metadata [20:53] u1sdtool --list-folders [20:53] u1sdtool --s [20:53] u1sdtool -s (sorry0 [20:53] useful commands to remember. [20:55] with u1sdtool -s, the only states that it goes in are "waiting" and "authenticate".. while in authenticate, description is "doing auth dance".. does this mean it isnt authenticating? [20:59] NateWiebe, Im not a U1 troubleshooter, i`m just some dude with similar issues as other people in here :) Have you tried removing the computer account, and removing the 'ubuntuone' folders in your home and removing the key from 'passwords and enc keys' and starting again? [21:00] im going to give it a shot [21:00] Ive done that a couple of times.. [21:00] the ubuntuone config folders are hidden in .config and some other places.. [21:00] just do a find ~ -iname "ubuntuone" [21:01] .cache and .config and some other.. [21:09]