[00:00] <CartoonCat> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[00:00] <moderndayzero> ty
[00:00] <CartoonCat> read it saintly
[00:00] <James147> moderndayzero: kdenlive (video editing program) can also record the desktop
[00:01] <saintly> Activating Proprietary Driver....
[00:01] <saintly> downloading and installing... 12%
[00:01] <CartoonCat> b43 doesnt support it, so its ndis land, which is bad bad mojo
[00:01] <saintly> will this work? lets find out.
[00:02] <saintly> B43
[00:02] <saintly> ttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx shows how to install 43xx drivers. which is what mine is.
[00:02] <ryrych_mobile> hi again! this time from mobile
[00:02] <saintly> lol hey ry
[00:03] <benkay86> saintly: And hopefully it will work. Please let us know once you've finished installing.
[00:03] <saintly> will do benkay86
[00:03] <CartoonCat> mmm wth, aptitude will not open a menu, and capslock will not turn on
[00:03] <benkay86> CartoonCat: You are having quite the upgrade experience!
[00:03] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86: it seems you were right!
[00:04] <CartoonCat> benkay86: yes this is even more fun then gentoo + ati drivers!!
[00:04] <saintly> ahhh upgrading is hell on PC
[00:04] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86: you're good at these stuff
[00:04] <benkay86> ryrych: In that case, reverting to the kernel used in 9.10 (which worked for you, right?) might help. More likely, some new utility in 10.04 is doing something different that's causing the crash and reverting just the kernel won't help.
[00:05] <saintly> External drive has windows 7 vista XP, kubuntu, ubuntu, and snow leapard on it now. :D
[00:05] <benkay86> In the end, my friend ended up getting an Intel minipci card from EBay for $5.
[00:05] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86 yup that kernel was ok
[00:05] <benkay86> saintly: Impressive. So -- does that mean you got your wifi working?
[00:06] <saintly> contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driverfor use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4321-, andBCM4322-based hardware.
[00:06] <saintly> no but this does
[00:06] <saintly> finished downloading, let me find out
[00:07] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86 could you tell me what was latest kernel for 9.10?
[00:08] <benkay86> ryrych_mobile: Looking at packages.ubuntu.com...
[00:08] <CartoonCat> ok so now im getting E subprocess usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1)
[00:08] <ScorpKing> ryrych_mobile: 2.6.31.20
[00:08] <CartoonCat> when doing apt-get upgrade -f
[00:08] <benkay86> ryrych_mobule: It was 2.6.31
[00:08] <CartoonCat> as there is some dependancey error for libanyevent
[00:09] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86 and drop in to south Poland on beer :D
[00:09] <saintly> benkay86: yep im on wifi now.  system> hardware drivers is the solution
[00:09] <benkay86> ryrych_mobile: Resist the urge to install it from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ because those packages don't contain staging drivers.
[00:10] <benkay86> saintly: Congrats. I would caution that your wifi setup is probably not going to be as stable as it could be if you had a fully-supported card... but hey, whatever works, right?
[00:10] <James147> anyone know how to run apt-get or aptitude from a cron job? http://paste.ubuntu.com/426118/  < when it tryes to run "apt-get -q dist-upgrade"
[00:10] <saintly> lol right
[00:10] <benkay86> James147: crontab -e as root? I've never actually tried.
[00:11] <James147> benkay86: thats what i did, but when it runs it give me the output posted above
[00:11] <ryrych_mobile> benkey86 so i cant do it with apt-get?
[00:11] <benkay86> James147: Did you "sudo crontab -e" or "sudo su" followed by "crontab -e"?
[00:11] <James147> benkay86: proballt sudo
[00:11] <benkay86> ryrych_mobile: No, that probably won't work.
[00:11] <James147> benkay86: proballt sudo crontab..
[00:11] <saintly> benkay86: i notice it takes longer to connect and "activate" but i guess well see how we are for speed here in a minute
[00:12] <benkay86> James147: That may have just edited your user's crontab as superuser, which is obviously not what you wanted to happen.
[00:12] <James147> benkay86: possibally :S
[00:12] <saintly> "2wire578"active WOOT
[00:13] <James147> benkay86: nop, my crontab is empty and roots has the commands in
[00:13] <cjae> How do I make my gtk apps not be black, I have a dark them installed but cannot use them effectively with the dark theme applied to them
[00:13] <benkay86> ryrych_mobile: You'll likely have to download the debs from http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-image and install them manually with dpkg. Don't forget to to the same for kernel headers if you think you're going to need them.
[00:15] <benkay86> James147: debconf is complaining that it's not running in an interactive terminal (duh). That's probably not why it's failing, though.
[00:16] <James147> benkay86: figured that not sure how to run it in an active terminal or tell it not ro
[00:16] <benkay86> ryrych_mobile: And it looks like cron isn't setting a proper path, either.
[00:16] <ryrych_mobile> benkay86 thx so im gonna to try your advice out :)
[00:16] <benkay86> ^James147
[00:16] <saintly_> booted by a slow network. ouch.
[00:16] <benkay86> James147: Actually, on my 10.04 server, it tells me if there are packages to update on login without me ever having to run apt-get update.
[00:17] <saintly_> alright themes locations?
[00:17] <benkay86> James147: Maybe there's a way to make update-manager-core do what you want?
[00:17] <James147> benkay86: yeah, but i wanted it to auto update them every week so i dont ahve to :)
[00:17] <saintly_> themes..
[00:18] <benkay86> saintly: Does this have what you're looking for? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[00:20] <James147> benkay86: seem to have updat-manager-core installed but dont see it in my path, you know that exec it installs?
[00:20] <benkay86> James147: dpkg -L update-manager-core
[00:21] <James147> benkay86: O-o
[00:21] <benkay86> James147: I'm not well versed in emoticons. Does that mean you found the exec or you didn't?
[00:22] <James147> benkay86: (shocked) it lists alot of stuff :S bah google search will be quicker
[00:22] <benkay86> James147: dpkg -L update-manager-core | grep bin
[00:23] <James147> benkay86: hmm http://www.builderau.com.au/program/linux/soa/Automatically-update-your-Ubuntu-system-with-cron-apt/0,339028299,339279542,00.htm  suggests that apt-get can do it
[00:25] <benkay86> James147: 1) Did you follow their directions *exactly*? 2) What about the cron-apt they mention?
[00:26] <James147> benkay86: i dident follow te instructions at all, i did it my self, but now im going to trysomething see if it works
[00:26] <benkay86> James147: Oh. Well, good luck.
[00:28] <phy_nit> hi all
[00:28] <phy_nit> need help
[00:28] <phy_nit> ?????
[00:28] <James147> !help | phy_nit
[00:29] <phy_nit> i am not able to connect by wireless....
[00:30] <DarthFrog> Greetings
[00:30] <SaintlySacrfice> Hi ppl
[00:30] <DarthFrog> Does Kubuntu Lucid have a "Me Menu"?
[00:31] <ryrych_mobile> no
[00:31] <SaintlySacrfice> I need help with my flash player
[00:31] <saintly> anyone know how to reach themes on 10.04?
[00:32] <James147> saintly: which themes?
[00:32] <saintly> james147: like what was in appearance, in 9.10
[00:33] <saintly> i had tagedy.
[00:33] <saintly> tragedy*
[00:33] <ScorpKing> what key is redo in vi?
[00:33] <SaintlySacrfice> Firefox won't let me install flash, is there a torent for it?
[00:33] <ScorpKing> ah nvm
[00:34] <James147> saintly: plasma(workspace) themes then? System settings > appearnce > style > workspace
[00:34] <saintly> alright ty james147
[00:34] <saintly> SaintlySacrfice, if you figure out ur flash issue let me know
[00:34] <saintly> same issue here
[00:34] <DarthFrog> saintly: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[00:35] <SaintlySacrfice> Ty
[00:35] <saintly> wel that waas quick
[00:36] <elazeta> hi hi
[00:37] <ryrych> :)
[00:38] <ryrych> benkay86: just installed this kernel :)
[00:43] <ryrych> benkey86: are you there?
[00:44] <saintly> lol
[00:44] <ryrych> hm, it seems linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic_2.6.31-20.58 didn't help :(
[00:45] <saintly> ouch
[00:45] <James147> benkay86: if you care at all looks like ubuntu can already do it by editing /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades (https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html)
[00:46] <saintly> nice themes
[00:48] <saintly> alright well im outta here for a bit, gonna try to figure out my sound alone lol
[00:49] <ryrych> where can I take a look at the channel history?
[00:50] <ryrych> hm, even though I installed older kernel version the newer is in use :(
[00:51] <ryrych> how can I switch between kernels?
[00:51] <DarthFrog> ryrych: When booting.  Choose which kernel from the GRUB menu
[00:52] <ryrych> DarthFrog: ok, so I must to set delay in grup
[00:52] <ryrych> *grub
[00:57] <killer_> hl a todos bn bn
[00:58] <killer_> soy nuevo me pueden dar una mano ...
[00:58] <progre55> hi guys, I've added a panel.. but how do you change its width? I mean, not length, but width..
[00:59] <DarthFrog> progre55: Click on the cashew on the right.  Use the sliders.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> Oh, not the width.  You mean height. :-)
[00:59] <James147> progre55: panel settings for witdh drag the arrows, for hiehgt drag the "height" button
[00:59] <DarthFrog> There's an option there to change the panel height.
[00:59] <Joelito> hi all, does in kubuntu have a plugin for embeded content in firefox (for the kde environment) ?
[01:00] <progre55> DarthFrog, James147: thanks guys, let me try )
[01:01] <killer_> alguien habla español
[01:02] <Joelito> killer_ #kubuntu-es
[01:02] <James147> !es | killer_
[01:03] <killer_> gracias viejo
[01:11] <plush> is there a particular recommended package for media playback in firefox?
[01:11] <Joelito> plush, hehe, I just asked the same
[01:11] <Joelito> :p
[01:11] <plush> lol
[01:11] <Joelito> seems that gecko-mediaplayer or mplayer-plugin are out of lucid :\
[01:12] <plush> i got a lot of stuff sorted out... this is still on my to do list
[01:13] <plush> kmplayer is for konqueror only...
[01:14] <Joelito> doesn't open them in kmplayer UI?
[01:14] <plush> might
[01:14] <plush> but i want something embedded
[01:16] <Joelito> me too :(
[01:16]  * plush is getting very confused
[01:16] <plush> i am installing on two machines at once
[01:16] <plush> both have german keyboards
[01:16] <plush> one is set to english though, making me go mad with the weird layout
[01:17] <plush> also, one has kubuntu installed in dutch, the other in german :)
[01:20] <Joelito> lolz
[01:20] <Joelito> I think we might to compile mplayer-plugin our selves :X
[01:21] <plush> kinda goes against my idea of installing an LTS and never looking back for three years
[01:22] <Joelito> yeah :(
[01:26] <plush> oh, i managed to set up passwordless accounts. very nice. very tricky to get it working as well. pain.
[01:28] <Joelito> guessed user?
[01:28] <plush> Joelito: ?
[01:28] <Joelito> you know, guest used
[01:28] <plush> ah, no
[01:28] <plush> no, i set up the proper users to have no password
[01:29] <plush> they'd find it a pain to have to use one
[01:31] <valdiyen> How'd you manage to set that up?  Just set the passwords blank via a commandline passwd call for the users?
[01:31] <plush> it won't allow it
[01:31] <plush> you need passwd -d, run as root
[01:31] <plush> but that will kill sudo
[01:31] <plush> so you need to work around it as well
[01:31] <avihay> um, nepomuk decided that it wants 400MB of my ram. what do I do?
[01:32] <plush> i can tell you, i am glad i only have to do this once every three years. if i had to run kubuntu as my everyday os, i'd run screaming
[01:32] <valdiyen>  I actually don't find it that bad.  I agree that it lacks a lot in the configuration area, but it meets my needs as a developer rather well.
[01:33] <foobaz> hi, i'm in the middle of upgrading 9.10->10.4 and my pc stopped responding to mouse/keyboard, although it's not frozen, i need to click to finish the installation, can anyone help?
[01:33] <valdiyen> I would not however install it for my father.  He gets Ubuntu as it is just more polished
[01:33] <foobaz> i tried plugging in a second usb mouse but that won't move the cursor either
[01:33] <sancho21> Lucid on my notebook (BenQ S35) cannot handle brightness (Fn + F4). How to fix this?
[01:34] <plush> valdiyen: i use arch linux for development work
[01:34] <plush> i find it a lot nicer. also, they don't mess with kde. it's stock vanilla kde. no more, no less
[01:35] <valdiyen> plush: I've contemplated it but haven't tried it yet.  I'll have to fire it up in a VM soon
[01:36] <plush> valdiyen: you won't regret it
[01:36] <plush> hmm... now, how do i play a dvd?
[01:36] <plush> seemingly simple...
[01:37] <valdiyen> Have to either purchase that dvd player on Ubuntu's store or install that dvd package from medibuntu
[01:37] <houdini_> Hello, I have discovered quite a big problem in the 10.04 release. It appears to be related to Nvidia graphics. Any help on what I should do next?
[01:39] <plush> valdiyen: i have the libdvdcss library. the problem is finding a frontent. dragonplayer seems broken. kmplayer doesn't do dvd. trying kaffeine now
[01:39] <plush> houdini_: the boot-up screen looking ugly?
[01:39] <valdiyen> plush: vlc is the best in my experience
[01:39] <plush> known problem, will be fixed soon
[01:39] <plush> for now, sit back and relaxed
[01:39] <plush> -d
[01:40] <plush> valdiyen: yes, people swear by it. never tried it myself
[01:40] <houdini_> plush : Yes, the desktop as well. There seems to be a large and stationary artifact at the top left of my screen.
[01:40] <valdiyen> plush: I actually had a movie that Win 7's media player refused to play and I hit the same issues as you until I installed vlc.  it works really well for DVD playback
[01:41] <houdini_> plush : It periodically displays text and icons as window panes pass over it. Very strange. I have used the same hardware from Hardy untill now and have experience no problems other than this.
[01:41] <Typos_King>  ...
[01:42] <plush> houdini_: as far as i know the known bug affects bootup only
[01:42] <plush> i have it on my own machine. but i know a fix is being tested
[01:42] <plush> your problem sounds more serious
[01:42] <Typos_King> valdiyen:    many players can play dvds just fine, including windows media player, once 'the codecs for playback are installed', vlc installation I think includes, thus, there's nothing special about it others don't have though
[01:43] <Typos_King> as far as windows, I don't think they include dvd codecs by regular installation
[01:43] <plush> lol kaffeine works
[01:43] <houdini_> plush : I am aware of that. This seems to be more intrusive. As well some of the icons are incorrectly displayed. There is quite a bit of distortion.
[01:43] <plush> what i got was the dvd's intro blaring out at full volume how pirate copies are an evil thing
[01:43] <valdiyen> It was able to play other DVD's just fine.  Just didn't seem to like this one in particular
[01:44] <valdiyen> The issue with mplayer and dragonplayer were they just didn't handle the dvd rendering very well.  VLC was usable
[01:44] <Typos_King> ..
[01:45] <Typos_King> well
[01:45] <Typos_King> I use .. xine-ui and works peachy
[01:45] <valdiyen> I didn't try xine, it's good to hear that one does well too
[01:50] <houdini_> Well. It seems that I am experiencing text distortion as well.... I was so optimistic for this release.....
[01:50] <plush> valdiyen: kaffeine uses xine as its backend
[01:50] <valdiyen> plush: yeah, i didn't try that player either
[01:51] <plush> valdiyen: this is why i am not jumping onto the vlc bandwagon. i use kaffeine on my own box
[01:51] <valdiyen> plush: i tried dragonplayer, kmplayer, and then vlc which worked well so I stopped there
[01:53] <melanie>  Bonjour j'ai un portable Dell Latitude D600 ,Quel version de linux je devrais utiliser?
[01:53] <plush> valdiyen: same here... just a different order ^^
[01:55] <pily> What is the differece between Ubuntu 10.04 and Kubuntu 10.04
[01:56] <foobaz> ubuntu defaults to gnome, kubuntu to kde
[01:57] <pily> which one is better ,I  do not know about this
[01:58] <foobaz> i prefer kubuntu, but then that's why i'm in here in the first place
[01:58] <pily> Using it is for know what is Linux
[01:59] <pily> In fact I think Kubuntu is more beautiful
[01:59] <plush> yay! working embedded media player in firefox
[01:59] <plush> not muhc left to set up
[01:59] <pily> The speed of dist-grade is so slow
[02:00] <pily> i have been cost 2hours
[02:00] <foobaz> you don't have to sit there and watch the progress bar :)
[02:01] <pily> Yes ,I like Kubuntu too  ,But Today I found here   Oh amazing
[02:01] <pily> I like here
[02:02] <pily> yes   I need not to sit here to watch the bar ,but i wanna do other things  after the operation
[02:03] <pily> why I input Japanese , it will be covered by space
[02:07] <benkay86> pilly: Are you having trouble with Japanese input?
[02:08] <pily> yes I am headach on Japanese input
[02:08] <benkay86> pilly: Well, I solved that headache yesterday, so I think I can help.
[02:08] <benkay86> pilly: FYI, scim has been deprecated in favor of ibus.
[02:09] <pily> thank U very much
[02:09] <benkay86> pilly: Start with "sudo apt-get install ibus-anthy && im-switch -s ibus", after which you must logout and then log back in.
[02:09] <pily> U mean I should use Scim not ibus
[02:10] <benkay86> pily: As far as I know scim still works, but ibus is not the preferred application. Both support the anthy input module.
[02:10] <pily> yes  In fact I hava install it  and it can work but not work well
[02:10] <benkay86> pily: Which have you installed? scim or ibus?
[02:11] <pily> For example ,when i input someting ,i input the Enter to choose the thing .The charactors will be covered by space
[02:12] <pily> ibus
[02:12] <pily> I install the chinese package and also the japanese package
[02:12] <benkay86> pily: OK, ibus. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "covered by a space". Could you, perchance, provide a screenshot?
[02:14] <kaitos> does anyone know how to get compositing back after an upgrade to lucid? it worked in karmic
[02:14] <pily> Maybe I hava no idea how to provide you a screenshot
[02:14] <pily> I try it
[02:14] <benkay86> imagebin.ca
[02:14] <benkay86> ksnapshot
[02:16] <pily> yes  I know how to get the picture ,I mean it do not know how to send to U
[02:16] <benkay86> Just upload it to imagebin.ca
[02:17] <pily> OK  i do a try
[02:20] <pily> I am sorry and thankful your kindness .In my pc ,no imaginebin.cn
[02:21] <benkay86> pily: Like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/9t8ilz.html
[02:22] <benkay86> Although it would probably help if I spelled 世界 correctly.
[02:23] <pily> yes wait a moment
[02:23] <pily> thank Y
[02:27] <jjb> exit
[02:37] <amr> hello
[02:37] <plush> anyone got an idea how to put icons on the desktop?
[02:37] <amr> i know
[02:38] <amr> what are you using?
[02:38] <plush> kubuntu 10.04
[02:39] <amr> ok
[02:39] <amr> you mean put icon form k menu
[02:39] <plush> doesn't matter. i can drag them from there or create new ones... i just need to know how to tell the desktop i want this to happen
[02:40] <plush> right now, it's just empty
[02:40] <amr> mmm you want desktop plazma
[02:40] <amr> ok
[02:40] <amr> first
[02:41] <amr> unlock the widget
[02:41] <plush> i have plasma running of course - it is drawing the desktop
[02:41] <plush> but between the million widgets available, none seems to fit :)
[02:41] <amr> ok
[02:41] <amr> i didnt mean your question
[02:41] <amr> what exatly do you want
[02:43] <plush> basically, setting up a computer for my parents
[02:43] <plush> i neeed firefox, skype, openoffice.org, google earth on the desktop
[02:43] <plush> it seems that right-clicking them in the start menu lets me do that
[02:44] <plush> if the icons persist across reboots, that is all i want
[02:44] <plush> my dad will be giving out that it's only 98% like XP anyway :)
[02:45] <plush> ah damn, the icons disappeared from the start menu
[02:45] <plush> what kind of braindead option is that?
[02:47] <amr> how disappeared
[02:47] <amr> havent seen him
[02:47] <amr> them
[02:50] <plush> what happened for me is this:
[02:50] <plush> i right-clicked on "firefox web browser" in the start menu and added it to the desktop
[02:50] <plush> this seems to have made a link
[02:50] <plush> icon in both places
[02:50] <plush> now, i right-clicked the desktop one and renamed it to just "firefox"
[02:50] <plush> that broke the icon in the desktop one
[02:51] <plush> *and* it removed the one in the start menu
[02:51] <plush> same for every other app i tried
[02:51] <amr> listen
[02:51] <amr> i'll tell method better form this
[02:52] <amr> look
[02:52] <amr> first unlock widget
[02:52] <amr> or not doesnt matter
[02:52] <plush> yep, following you along. i have two machines i am setting up here
[02:52] <amr> ok
[02:53] <zus> does anyone have the menu icon stick to the cusor  after clicking applications? the help sticks as i move up to my choices has been pre 10,4
[02:54] <progre55> btw guys, I havent been able to find a "shutdown" button so far.. there is a leave button, but how do you power off? just by hibernating or suspending??
[02:54] <amr> add widget his name is konqueror profile
[02:54] <amr> add to your desktop
[02:54] <amr> and tell me
[02:54] <amr> when you finish
[02:55] <benkay86> progre55: There should be a "Shutdown" option displayed when you click on "Leave".
[02:55] <zus> progre55,  when i go to my menu and click leave i see a shutdown button, what are discussing? if i may interject :)
[02:55] <plush> amr: that created an ugly white box with an even uglier dark border around it
[02:55] <amr> right
[02:56] <amr> that i want
[02:56] <amr> open file management
[02:56] <plush> dolphin you mean?
[02:56] <plush> yep, got it running
[02:56] <progre55> benkay86, zus: well, I dont have one.. the options I have are "logout", "lock", "switch user", "suspend", "hibernate"..
[02:56] <plush> (this is a tiny netbook - two programs side by side is the maximum :)
[02:56] <amr> with konqueror
[02:56] <amr> right
[02:57] <benkay86> progre55: Perhaps the "Shutdown" option is falling off of your netbook screen. What happens if you simply press the power button on your laptop?
[02:57] <progre55> benkay86, zus: maybe it's because I have installed kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu? I mean, I can choose whether I want to log into gnome or kde on logon
[02:58] <benkay86> zus: Only when I inadvertantly fail to let up on the left mouse button.
[02:59] <zus> yeah i go too fast sometimes....
[03:00] <zus> can i lock the menu to prevent that? also i cant find where i can arrange the  menu by program name not what they are
[03:00] <benkay86> zus: I'm not aware of such an option in the menu, but it could always be hidden away somewhere...
[03:00] <zus> firefox should be up to not as web browser to the bottom
[03:00] <Se7en> I need some help is this the place for that
[03:01] <zus> i had it in 9.10
[03:01] <zus> with kde4.4.2
[03:01] <melanie> hi
[03:01] <progre55> benkay86: haha, nice joke :D
[03:01] <melanie> what the best linux os for a laptop?
[03:01] <zus> Found it!
[03:01] <progre55> benkay86: when I pushed the power button, it immediately turned my laptop off
[03:02] <benkay86> zus: Out of curiosity, where was it.
[03:02] <progre55> benkay86: why doesnt it even ask what to do? )
[03:02] <benkay86> progre55: You weren't supposed to hold down the power button! Usually, pressing it would display a logout dialog with a shutdown button.
[03:02] <progre55> benkay86: I didnt hold it!
[03:02] <zus> right click on the k icon
[03:02] <zus> !best | melanie
[03:03] <progre55> benkay86: I have used the power button before, and I know what happens when you push it just once, and what happens when you hold it for 5 secs )
[03:03] <Se7en> melanie: my suggestion : Mint KDE CE
[03:03] <progre55> benkay86: but not in kde apparently..
[03:03] <zus> melanie,  well maybe not. i personally went to diferent sites and read thier pages till i picked one
[03:03] <progre55> well then as I said, maybe because I have installed kde over gnome, I simply dont have the shutdown button..
[03:03] <benkay86> progre55: Perhaps not in the netbook remix, but I can assure you it works for me (just tried it).
[03:04] <progre55> cause I can choose whether I want to log into gnome or kde on logon
[03:04] <progre55> benkay86: what do you mean netbook? I have a desktop edition, on my laptop
[03:04] <zus> Se7en,  did you also want to know where the "show applications by name" is?
[03:05] <melanie> what the major difference for ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:05] <melanie> ?
[03:06] <benkay86> melanie: One is based on the Gnome desktop, and one is based on the KDE desktop. Other than that, they share the same core software.
[03:06] <progre55> melanie: kubuntu's design is much better than ubuntu, but ubuntu is much faster than kubuntu =)
[03:06] <melanie> faster foe what?
[03:06] <Se7en> zus sorry what ?!
[03:06] <progre55> melanie: faster, because all those applets and widgets slow kubuntu down a bit.. my personal opinion
[03:07] <melanie> k thank
[03:07] <melanie> for a laptop ubuntu is the best?
[03:07] <zus> melanie,  it has been my personal expierance that Ubuntu is much more simpler of a layout. where as Kubuntu has more options and choices,
[03:08] <progre55> melanie: well, depends on what you'll be doing with your laptop )
[03:08] <zus> Se7en, to make the menu appear by name not by application "firefox" instead of "web browser"
[03:08] <progre55> melanie: if you want to show it off to your friends, then kde is much better and cuter ))
[03:09] <Se7en> zus I think you're mistaken me for someone else
[03:09] <_abhishek> I am getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/426180/ error on sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[03:10] <melanie> wha tthe new version of kubuntu
[03:10] <progre55> melanie: personally I used to have gnome, and yesterday installed kubuntu-desktop (kde) over it, and now I can choose whether I want to log into kde or gnome on logon
[03:10] <melanie> so you install kubuntu and ubuntu?
[03:10] <progre55> yep )
[03:10] <zus> Se7en, prolly  am sorry then
[03:10] <melanie> good ideas
[03:11] <progre55> melanie: but not dual boot, but combined =)
[03:11] <melanie> how?
[03:11] <progre55> melanie: just install ubuntu, and then open the terminal and say "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:11] <zus> melanie,  what  one are you using now?
[03:12] <melanie> and they install where
[03:12] <progre55> melanie: then you will be able to choose between kde and gnome during logon
[03:12] <Se7en> its okay
[03:12] <Se7en> I do have a question though
[03:12] <Se7en> anyone willing to help ?
[03:12] <melanie> wow
[03:12] <progre55> ask
[03:12] <melanie> kubuntu take how many space?
[03:12] <zus> Se7en, if i can help i will try but ask anyways some one  might
[03:12] <progre55> melanie: about 400 Mb extra if you are installing it over ubuntu
[03:13] <progre55> or a bit more..
[03:13] <progre55> not sure, but around that
[03:13] <benkay86> melanie: It sounds like you might be interested in this http://wubi-installer.org/
[03:13] <Se7en> okay
[03:13] <melanie> and you accest to it when you when you right your password?
[03:14] <plush> thanks all who helped. i think i have both of my kubuntu machines set up well now
[03:14] <Se7en> I tried pairing a kubuntu with a nokia 6300 and use that to connect to the internet just like i do in Gnome . but i get a message : " Device doesnt support input "
[03:15] <progre55> melanie: yep, you click on your user, and when it prompts you to enter the password, you can choose kde or gnome on the bottom pane
[03:15] <Se7en> what's wrong
[03:15] <melanie> k thank you so much!
[03:15] <progre55> melanie: luck
[03:15] <zus> Se7en,  i do not know that, thats a bit beyond my scope at this moment...
[03:16] <progre55> melanie: by the way, which one do you have installed right now?
[03:16] <melanie> ubuntu lynx
[03:16] <zus> progre55,  i am currently myself thinking on installing ubuntu-desktop
[03:16] <progre55> melanie: just open the terminal and type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:17] <progre55> zus: not satisfied with kubuntu? )
[03:17] <progre55> zus: I have a 500gb harddrive, so I can afford to have both of them =)
[03:18] <zus> progre55,  i love it i spen 5 months of 9.10 on ubuntu and did  exactly what you said to do sudo apt-get...
[03:18] <progre55> and a couple of external harddisks for movies and all )
[03:18] <_abhishek> I am getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/426180/ error on sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[03:19] <_abhishek> any idea what's wrong
[03:19] <progre55> zus: well, I was using konversation from kde on my ubuntu, but when I installed it, it downloaded so many kde packages with itself (around 280Mb or smth) then I decided to go further and installed kubuntu-desktop yesterday ))
[03:19] <progre55> zus: and I like it.. other than the "a bit slow sometimes" part, it's really beautiful )
[03:19] <zus> progre55,  very  pretty...
[03:20] <zus> progre55,  personally my favorite colors are green/grey/black/ ( ubuntu mint) then blue...
[03:20] <hyb> hi
[03:21] <ubuntu> should i go for wd my book essential or seagate freeagent desk?
[03:21] <progre55> zus: I would always tell my friends (who are damn windows fans) that ubuntu was better, but they would always show off with the windows7's design =) now I can totally convince them that linux is much better, in performance and design! ))
[03:22] <zus> progre55,  me too....
[03:22] <progre55> zus: any pretty themes you could suggest for kubuntu?
[03:22] <benkay86> ubuntu: If you wondering which to buy based on Linux compatability, I strongly suspect that both will work equally well as USB mass storage devices.
[03:23] <zus> progre55, http://kde-look.org/
[03:23] <hyb> my splash isn't show normally
[03:23] <ubuntu> benkay86: thanks
[03:24] <progre55> zus: yeah I've been there.. but there's too much in there =) any suggestions? )
[03:24] <hyb> someone can help
[03:24] <progre55> hyb: yeah, the same here.. it's really poor quality
[03:24] <zus> progre55,  hmm none in particular i use the default one really
[03:25] <progre55> hyb: I spend half a day, but couldnt fix. that's a bug in plymouth with the proprietary drivers
[03:25] <zus> progre55,  though i am always suffing the net i constantly  take images and use them as a back ground
[03:25] <kubuntu-ku> hi, all . . . what is the command line to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 ? sudo apt-gate install ... ?
[03:25] <progre55> zus: yeah I've also downloaded a bunch today =)
[03:25] <_abhishek> kubuntu-ku: apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <progre55> kubuntu-ku: do-release-upgrade
[03:26] <progre55> kubuntu-ku: with no apt stuff
[03:26] <hyb> progre55: Ai!this is the only one fault in so pretty 10.04
[03:26] <zus> progre55,  i've yet to do that...but i haven't found anything i truly i so i am looking in to themeing...to make my own.
[03:26] <zus> progre55, only i dont know where to go...
[03:26] <progre55> kubuntu-ku: "sudo do-release-upgrade" I mean =)
[03:27] <progre55> hyb: yeah, kinda sux.. but hopefully they'll fix it soon
[03:27] <progre55> zus: cool, let me know when you have a release =)
[03:27] <kubuntu-ku> ok _abhishek ! I'll try that right away . . . both, i mean . . . progree55 !
[03:28] <zus> progre55,  i have only been using linux since jaunty....well two weeks later karmic came  out but ...here i am.
[03:28] <zus> progre55, i just wanted to  use ubuntu as well to "not miss anything"
[03:28] <progre55> zus: welcome to the linux world =) hope you like it) but I'm sure you are experienced enough already
[03:29] <progre55> zus: but if you are thinking to make your themes already, that's really cool =)
[03:29] <zus> progre55,  im a fast learner but i still think myself as a newbie. plus this community is great when i need help
[03:29] <progre55> yeah, these two channels are awesome for instant help =)
[03:30] <zus> progre55,   only cuz i havent found anything i like and its betteer than a mix and match theme
[03:30] <progre55> but not always.. say when you have a problem with your graphics, or something more than basic, you can only rely on google or forums =)
[03:30] <zus> progre55,  forums as well...
[03:31] <progre55> btw, I dont have my brightness control working on my sony vaio under lucid, and still havent found a fix (
[03:32] <zus> does anyone have any suggestions  on where to learn to theme for kubuntu/ubuntu?
[03:34] <zus> brb...
[03:39] <hyb> quiet
[03:41] <kubuntu-ku> already tried . . . sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > failed
[03:43] <kubuntu-ku> sudo do-release-upgrade ... it worked, but, after some time stopped. Just like when I upgrade from under kde. it says 'could not calculate' , 'restoring original system state' and 'aborting'
[03:43] <kubuntu-ku> any further advice, progre55 ?
[03:44] <progre55> kubuntu-ku: hmm.. dont even know.. I personally did a fresh install )
[03:44] <kubuntu-ku> btw, i tried to upgrade under xterm . . .
[03:50] <progre55> kubuntu-ku: did you try asking the #ubuntu guys?
[03:50] <saintly> theres official nothing wrong with my Kubuntu 10.04, all my issues are solved :D anyone need help?
[03:56] <moderndayzero> any good screen recorders i tried kdenlive but i dont see a record option for it
[03:56] <hyb> saintly: i so
[03:56] <saintly> hyb: hmm?
[03:57] <hyb> saintly: my kubuntu splash isn't show normally
[03:57] <saintly> hyb: Could you explain more? what happens?
[03:59] <viking667> 'llo all. Got a old low-spec machine, and I'm trying to find out how to turn off certain things like wpa-supplicant, and bluetooth. What do I need to look at?
[03:59] <saintly> viking667: what OS are you currentlyrunning?
[04:00] <kumar> hi.
[04:00] <saintly> kumar: hello
[04:00] <calumayoo> have some problem with wines
[04:00] <kumar> i downloaded Kubuntu i386 DVD
[04:00] <calumayoo> *wine
[04:00] <hyb> saintly: after kdm,the kubuntu logo picture isn't show normally,maybe need more pixes
[04:00] <kumar> a few mins back.
[04:00] <calumayoo> cant explore the C:\
[04:01] <kumar> When I try to use the live DVD on my desktop, its not starting X
[04:01] <sobczyk> hi, are there any additional repos for audio drivers for the new lucid? I can't get the sound to work
[04:01] <calumayoo> !wine
[04:01] <saintly> hyb: you might find help in system settings.
[04:01] <hyb> saintly: where i can find?
[04:02] <sobczyk> The card/codec is reported fine but no sound comes out of the speakers/headphones (dell studio 14)
[04:02] <saintly> sobczyk: i can help ya there. lol
[04:02] <saintly> hyb: hit alt+f2, and type in system settings
[04:02] <viking667> I'm setting up a Lucid for wife.
[04:02] <kubuntu-ku> progre55 ... ok, i'll try there . . .
[04:02] <saintly> Sobcyzk: what card do you have?
[04:03] <kumar> Live DVD dosen't work. Starts with a console and X doesn't start (Lucid). any idea why this happens on a old Pentium 4 Desktop?
[04:03] <saintly> viking667: mmhm and your computer, what kind?
[04:04] <hyb> saintly: no,it can change thar
[04:04] <hyb> saintly: no,it can change that
[04:04] <saintly> kumar: did you use a live DVD
[04:04] <kumar> Yes.
[04:04] <viking667> 600MHz P3, 384Mb memory.
[04:04] <kumar> Lucid Live DVD
[04:04] <viking667> ... with no options to upgrade.
[04:04] <kumar> i386
[04:05] <sobczyk> saintly: intel hda with realtek codec though I can't find the exact codec number
[04:06] <melanie> what the commandline to have the french version of kubuntu?
[04:06] <viking667> I would have personally gone for Xubuntu, but there's this really nice accuweather applet she likes.
[04:06] <saintly> Viking667: and your looking for a good Kubuntu for that?
[04:06] <viking667> saintly: no, I'm looking to see what stuff I can (1) turn off (and how) and (2) remove altogether.
[04:06] <saintly> sobzyk: believe it or not we have the same sound card, mie works great.
[04:07] <melanie> what the commandline to have the french version of kubuntu? i have kubuntu allready.
[04:07] <viking667> I'm having remarkably little luck finding how to turn off bluetooth. I simply don't need it, as I only have the phone that's BT'd and not the computer.
[04:07] <saintly> remove altogether is simple viking667, what do you want removed?
[04:07] <viking667> I also want to turn off wpa-supplicant, remove it altogether.
[04:07] <saintly> sobzyk | !sound
[04:07] <viking667> well, bluetooth is easy, i think that's bluez, isn't it?
[04:07] <saintly> ahh where ubottu
[04:08] <saintly> alright one sec
[04:08] <sobczyk> melanie: go to system settings, then language/country settings, you can set up your language there
[04:08] <saintly> viking667: alt+f2, then type in Bluetooth, that ll get you bluetooth settings
[04:09] <saintly> !sound
[04:09] <viking667> right. I want to remove it altogether.
[04:09] <saintly> Sobzyk: use the trouble shooting one, took me 15 minutes
[04:09] <saintly> removing it all together...
[04:09] <melanie> thank
[04:10] <saintly> Viking667: sudo aptitude-get uninstall bluetooth. see if that works
[04:10] <viking667> I'll try that.
[04:10] <viking667> thank you.
[04:10] <saintly> let me know what happens ;)
[04:10] <viking667> now how to shoot/remove/kill/erase wpa-supplicant
[04:10] <saintly> LOL
[04:11] <saintly> id say same format, try and use console.
[04:11] <saintly> srry Konsole*
[04:11] <calumayoo> hello... i cant open C:\ in wine
[04:11] <calumayoo> help
[04:11] <saintly> !wine
[04:11] <progre55> hey guys, I have 4 desktops, and set them as "different activity for each desktop" and changed backgrounds for each of them. And now my first desktop is a bit fcked up =) I mean, it's not a whole desktop, but somewhere in the middle of the four desktops. any suggestions?
[04:12] <saintly> progre55: ive been there before. what you want to do is revert back to one desktop, and start over again.
[04:12] <progre55> saintly: oh okay, thanks
[04:12] <saintly> progre55: do you know how to do that?
[04:13] <saintly> calamayoo: did that help any?
[04:13] <progre55> saintly: well, untick the "different activities" stuff, I guess )
[04:13] <progre55> saintly: yeah, now it seems to be okay..
[04:13] <saintly> progre55: yes thatll work. :D
[04:13] <saintly> if you get stuck again come talk to me.
[04:14] <progre55> saintly: thanks man, appreciate =)
[04:14] <saintly> proge55: anytime.
[04:15] <saintly> anyone need anything, any help?
[04:15] <saintly> i feel wrong, theres nothing left to do on my kubuntu
[04:15] <progre55> well, I'm off to bed now, 5.15 am here =)
[04:16] <saintly> proge55: ouch. lol
[04:16] <progre55> saintly: well, you could suggest me some cool widgets or themes )
[04:16] <zus> progre55,  good night it was nice chatting with you
[04:16] <progre55> zus: thanks man, the same here. talk to you later
[04:17] <saintly> progre55: im using weather, and the analog clock. as far as themes, i like darker ones. i went with Tragedy, and theres several window color schems that fit nicely with it.
[04:17] <progre55> hey guys, any good movies to download? )
[04:17] <saintly> progre55: stream movies at www.davidmovie.com
[04:18] <progre55> saintly: I've also tried tragedy. what is the best color scheme that goes with it?
[04:18] <morgajel> hey guys, hows it going?
[04:18] <morgajel> many issues with lucid yet?
[04:18] <saintly> progre55: let me see what im using
[04:18] <progre55> saintly: oh and I dont want stream movies =) I download torrents.. at least dvd quality ..
[04:18] <saintly> morgajel: my lucid is perfect ;)
[04:18] <morgajel> saintly: fresh install or upgrade?
[04:19] <progre55> morgajel: yeah, the brightness control on my sony vaio not working (
[04:19] <morgajel> my upgrade puked :/
[04:19] <saintly> morgajel: both
[04:19] <morgajel> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[04:20] <saintly> progre55: lol odly enough the color scheme for tragedy would appear to be titled "tragedy black"
[04:20] <saintly> :D
[04:20] <cjae> anyone know how to password protect kontact?
[04:21] <progre55> saintly: haha
[04:21] <hyb> .h
[04:21] <saintly> cjae: theres a program for it, i think briefcase something?
[04:21] <saintly> hyb: hmm?
[04:23] <viking667> awww *%@)@%
[04:23] <saintly> viking667: issies?
[04:23] <saintly> issues*
[04:23] <viking667> I can't remove "wpasupplicant" because kde-desktop relies upon it, so does NetworkManager
[04:23] <viking667> Yet I don't have a single wireless network in the house.
[04:23] <zus> does anyone use pidign? whats the plugin Grim, it says a useless plugin  but what is it?
[04:23] <saintly> explain for me what wpa does?
[04:24] <viking667> apparently it handles WPA and WPA2 key encryption.
[04:24] <viking667> ... I think.
[04:24] <saintly> hmm, and it takes up ram?
[04:24] <saintly> thats odd.
[04:24] <viking667> seems to.
[04:24] <viking667> I'll rename it, and restart the machine.. with only 384Mb, I'm trimming where I can.
[04:25] <saintly> you're running on just over 350MB correct?
[04:25] <saintly> oh yes lol
[04:25] <saintly> viking667: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[04:27] <saintly> 246 second ping timeout whoa. thts damn near 4 min no wonder he didnt talk lol.
[04:27] <saintly> ooh thts over 4 min. basic math ftw lol
[04:28] <saintly> viking667: you still with me?
[04:29] <saintly> anyone need anything?
[04:32] <progre55> well arright, now I'm totally off )
[04:32] <progre55> night people!
[04:32] <saintly> making coffe, brb
[04:38] <ep> I have a AMD athlon X2 dual core, 4 gigs of ram.  You folks recommend the  64 bit edition (10.04)?
[04:39] <viking667> sorry, just got back.
[04:39] <viking667> was folding washing... Lucid Lynx, I think it's called. Just got updated yesterday.
[04:41] <madura> ep: yea
[04:45] <ep> I've got seperate root and home partitions but they're ext3 I want to swithch to ext4 on the fresh install.   Will the install switch for ext3 to ext4 and still let me keep my data in home?
[04:46] <DarthFrog> ep: You can do that.  I did.
[04:47] <progre55> hey guys (damn I'm back). I had a widget (analog clock) and after a logout/login, it's gone.. but on the widgets panel it's marked as being used.. suggestions?
[04:47] <madura> ep you can have ur system in a ext4 partition and link to ur home directory which is in a ext3
[04:47] <DarthFrog> ep: What I mean is you can re-format the / partition as ext4 and keep your /home partition as ext3.  I don't think you can convert ext3 to ext4 _in situ_.
[04:49] <viking667> anyhow, I have to get off this machine, I need a memory stick out of it to see if that works in wife's machine.
[04:54] <ep> i see DarthFrog, I guess i can live with a ext3  /home :(   4 sounds better :)
[04:55] <DarthFrog> ep: ext4 is extent based.  'Tis a wondrous thing.  Can you back up your /home partition to an external drive and re-format?
[04:56] <ep> no external drives unfortunely.   I 'll figure something out.
[04:56] <beliat> moin
[04:57] <KDesk> when I try to eneable the desktop effects from kwin, I get the message "Failed to activate desktop effects". Why is that? Where can I get more info about the error?
[04:58] <ep> google ;)
[04:58] <DarthFrog> KDesk: Check if there's anything useful in /var/log
[04:59] <DarthFrog> KDesk: Also, open a terminal session and run "glxinfo | grep endering".  Ensure that direct rendering is enabled.  If it complains that glxinfo isn't available, install the mesa-utils package.
[05:00] <KDesk> DarthFrog: direct rendering: Yes
[05:00] <KDesk> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20091221 2009Q4
[05:02] <madura> KDesk: try ticking disable functionality checks
[05:03] <KDesk> DarthFrog: Now I see that Tremulous game screen is very un readable. Odd.
[05:03] <madura> KDesk: i assum that u are running kubuntu
[05:03] <Sylvester_Ink> Hey, it's been a while since I've used Kubuntu and I'm considering moving back.  Has KDE 4.x reached an acceptable state of maturity in the Kubuntu 10.04 implementation?
[05:04] <ep> hmm
[05:07] <KDesk> madura: yes, Kubuntu :) Now I tryed to run with xrender, and Xserver crashed, When i loged in again, xrender was used (slow) and I changed to opengl and then it worked :)
[05:08] <KDesk> Sylvester_Ink: tray the liveCD, if it work ok, then you can install it :)
[05:09] <Sylvester_Ink> Heh, why didn't I think of that . . . :P
[05:10] <madura> KDesk: :D
[05:10] <madura> KDesk: i had the same problem with my ATI binary drivers
[05:10] <madura> i ticked that single option and it all works!
[05:11] <KDesk> madura: I have and old intel 865G. :|
[05:12] <Joelito> guys, what options left to watch embeded videos on firefox? (K/U)buntu failed on this,  this time =(
[05:13] <madura> KDesk: i have a intel G31 with a separate ATI hehe
[05:15] <KDesk> madura: I have normaly no problems with kwin, lets hope it behaves ok.
[05:17] <madura> KDesk: kwin uses opengl so if the drivers are ok with opengl there wont be any trouble
[05:17] <EvaZq> anoyone here have an intel gma 4500m ?
[05:18] <KDesk> madura: but why does it sometimes not start the compositor, and sometimes it does?
[05:18] <KDesk> Joelito: with flash?
[05:19] <Joelito> KDesk, yeah, but in apple, the trailers ask for quicktime :\
[05:19] <madura> KDesk: that functionality check thing and ur xorg.conf should have the compositing extension enabled
[05:20] <KDesk> madura: with the default install I don't have xorg.conf since 9.10 I think
[05:22] <KDesk> Joelito: You can choose the option to download them.
[05:23] <Joelito> KDesk how?
[05:23] <madura> KDesk: there wouldn't be a xorg.conf if u are using open source drivers but the binary drivers tend to configure xorg
[05:24] <KDesk> Joelito: I see in the left-top, a option info, and watch now, bit the watch now has an arrow, where it a menu comes and says to download in different resolutions
[05:25] <Joelito> oh, I was thinking a extension from FF
[05:25] <Joelito> :p
[05:26] <KDesk> madura: With my intel card, only oss drivers are available, and the kwin error occurs.
[05:28] <madura> KDesk: even after u tick that disable functionality check?
[05:29] <KDesk> madura: yes. It crashed the xserver :) But now It works.
[05:29] <madura> KDesk: ok :D it workd
[05:32] <zus> oh,...im not liking this yahoo on fire fox...
[05:32] <zus> its got comcast all over it!!! gross
[05:36] <EvaZq> what is the diference between wubi and a fresh ubuntu installation on a disk partition ???
[05:39] <zus> how can i switch back to google search engine?
[05:40] <Brhad56> upgraded to kubuntu 10.4 and have a question.. whats the + thing that appears when i mouseover icons on the desktop folder?
[05:41] <Sylvester_Ink> EvaZq: Wubi installs ubuntu into a folder on Windows, then sets windows to boot to that folder
[05:42] <Sylvester_Ink> a standard install sets a separate partition for Ubuntu and installs a boot loader (grub) to boot to either windows or ubuntu
[05:42] <pgr> Hola
[05:42] <draik> Brhad56: That's the select it. You don't have to hold down the CTRL key anymore; just click on the +
[05:42] <pgr> Alguien de la PlatA?
[05:42] <zus> Brhad56,  when you click on it and its a minus, you dont see a preview of whats inside the folder
[05:42] <pgr> Argentina
[05:42] <EvaZq> sylvester_ink so it has no grub ?
[05:43] <Sylvester_Ink> wubi does not install grub
[05:43] <Sylvester_Ink> it sets up windows own bootloader to boot to wubi
[05:43] <Brhad56> zus: I don't understand.. i see a preview regaurdless of it showing a plus or minus?
[05:43] <Sylvester_Ink> (the same way you would boot to "Safe Mode" in windows)
[05:43] <draik> Brhad56: It is just for selection
[05:44] <EvaZq> i see
[05:44] <zus> Brhad56,  yes, i tried it when you asked, and  in the minus it didnt show previews for me
[05:45] <zus> Brhad56,  but i just did it and it worked.. so im now in your boat lol sorry for the bad answer
[05:45] <Brhad56> draik: what do you mean, just for selection?
[05:46] <draik> Brhad56: Click on the plus to any folder (files, too) and it will group select them for the same action (copy/move/delete/etc)
[05:46] <Brhad56> draik: Oh, I get it now.  Thanks.
[05:47] <draik> Brhad56: You're welcome.
[05:47] <zus> thanks sweet
[05:49] <zus> a few questions - how do i go back to google search engine
[05:49] <Brhad56> oh sweet.. I see that now I can do the thing where i drag the window all the way to one side, and it does the screen split thing that windows does
[05:49] <zus> Brhad56,  have you right clicked on the maximinxe button instead of left click?
[05:50] <Brhad56> zus: just tried.. not sure what it just did.. got wider?
[05:50] <Brhad56> I can see that being useful
[05:52] <sobczyk> hi, is there an easy way to set up dual screens on kde4 with radeon?
[05:52] <zus> Brhad56,  now middle click the maximize button,
[05:52] <zus> right makes the window wider middle clicks make it verticle
[05:52] <Brhad56> zus: ah.. cool
[05:52] <sobczyk> on ubuntu I just needed to relog, but on kubuntu it does not seem to work
[05:52] <zus> windows snap eat your heart out lol
[05:54] <zus> Brhad56,  i use the window right and middle clicks offten.
[05:54] <madura> sobczyk: use the control center it has xinerama support i think
[05:55] <Brhad56> What widgets do you like to use?
[05:55] <sobczyk> madura: I can set the screen size and position but after applying nothing happens
[05:56] <madura> sobczyk: did u try restarting X?
[05:57] <sobczyk> madura: simple relog will not work?
[05:57] <madura> sobczyk: nope, you should select restart X from kdm then
[05:58] <sobczyk> for gnome it was ok, so restricted drivers does not support turning on the second screen on the fly?
[06:01] <madura> sobczyk: i cant be sure of it i have binary drivers on but dont have dual head
[06:04] <zus> ok yahoo isnt working out for me. how can i go back to google as a search engine?
[06:05] <Brhad56> zus: this a konquer question?
[06:06] <zus> Brhad56,  oh im sorry, no. firefox
[06:12] <kaitos> anyone konw how to fix the ? images in the weather plasmoid? http://i.imgur.com/U0KEo.png
[06:15] <zus> im still confused here. i just read google was not going to be default search engine,..then they changed thier minds?.. yahoo is still my search engine i want to change
[06:15] <sobczyk> ok ati configuration tool + 2 restarts and multihead works
[06:15] <zus> firefox3.6.3
[06:15] <sobczyk> though after installation of radeon driver the kubuntu splash screen is garbled
[06:19] <sobczyk> is there a recommended input method for kde4? (like ibus in gnome)
[06:24] <Barridus> kaitos, try a different widget style and/or change the appearance icon set?
[06:24] <Barridus> i noticed as i was fiddling with both of those, i had ?'s for a while then they went away after one or both changed
[06:25] <Barridus> (i was trying to tweak something else so iwasn't paying attention to that widget directly as i made those changes
[06:28] <kaitos> Barridus: changed to crystal, didn't fix it, its just a different, "not found" kinda icon
[06:28] <Barridus> try the icon set then
[06:29] <Barridus> i'm using buuf deuce icons i downloaded via the "get more icons" button or whatever in that sytem prefs dialog
[06:29] <Barridus> my widget looks fine
[06:31] <viking667> hey ho. What's nepomuk, and why the heck can't I remove it?
[06:32] <DarthFrog> nepomuk is a major part of the so-called semantic desktop and it is deeply rooted in KDE.
[06:33] <Barridus> i think it's a search indexer
[06:34] <madura> viking667: u can remove it
[06:35] <viking667> hmpf.
[06:35] <viking667> so trying to remove it could turn kde on its head... great. Just what I don't need on 384Mb of memory.
[06:38] <zus> can not find a way to change firefox3.6.3 back to Google. it is still yahoo. and worse its "comcast" is up top
[06:39] <Brhad56> i've noticed when i do maximize now, that it doesn't fully maximize anymore
[06:39] <viking667> ... what?
[06:39] <viking667> oh, sorry. I meant "what?" for firefox.
[06:43] <zus> viking667,  when i type in the adress field when google was default search engine. it either found a site or gave the google page with links....now i get the yahoo page with comcast  bar up top...
[06:44] <zus> there is a powerd by yahoo search logo yp there too how can i get google back?
[06:44] <viking667> I'm assuming that you can change the "homepage" and change the toolbars (i.e. uninstalling that toolbar would be a good thing)
[06:44] <viking667> check your extensions
[06:44] <zus> its not a tool bar its part of the page
[06:44] <viking667> hm.
[06:44] <viking667> Can you screenie that for me?
[06:45] <zus> there isnt many extension only my normal 4 when i had in karmic...sure gimme a sec
[06:45] <iconmefisto> zus: you can change default search engine in about:config
[06:46] <viking667> And as I remember it, that search bar on the right hand side can be toggled back to google
[06:46] <viking667> it's been a while since I have run ff. I typically run chrome everywhere now.
[06:46] <DarthFrog> Is Chrome any good?
[06:47] <viking667> I like it. Runs on less resources
[06:47] <zus> the search bar on the side is on google...where is  about : config?
[06:47] <iconmefisto> zus: search for "browser.search" and change "browser.search.defaultenginename" to one of the search engines you have (eg "Google")
[06:47] <viking667> type THAT into the address bar
[06:47] <DarthFrog> zus: about:config is a URL.
[06:47] <DarthFrog> For Firefox, anyway.
[06:47] <DarthFrog> It brings up a configuration editor.
[06:48] <DarthFrog> Be careful. :-)
[06:49] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: It worked! :D
[06:50] <zus> haha i had to click ill be carefull i promise button,... now im  kinda scared hehe
[06:51] <zus> iconmefisto,  well it says google already
[06:51] <DarthFrog> zus: Just don't go changing things on a whim.
[06:52] <iconmefisto> zus: is it exactly the same as is displayed in the firefox search bar? eg "Google" not "google"
[06:52] <zus> iconmefisto,  yes with the "G" not "g""
[06:54] <zus> in fact the only yahoo is in browser.search.order.2 which is where i prefer it to be IF i click on it  on my own wich yet i havent
[06:55] <ForgeAus> is it just me or should we either A) broaden the scope of this channel or B) at the very least rename #kubuntu-offtopic to something more inviting like #kubuntu-community...
[06:56] <Brhad56> i think i figured out my deal.. i added extra pannels..
[06:57] <zus> just close this window to exit? no changes have been made...
[06:58]  * viking667 shrugs
[06:58] <iconmefisto> ForgeAus: I hear what you're saying. maybe #kubuntu-chat instead of #kubuntu-community ?
[06:59] <ForgeAus> iconmefisto: thats kewl...
[06:59] <zus> viking667,  the screen shot you asked for http://imagebin.org/95251
[07:00] <ForgeAus> not that I'm advocating copying, I'm just pointing out that PCLinuxOS has #PCLinuxOS as a general community  channel and a #PCLinuxOS-Support channel which kinda makes more sense to me than how this setup we're using for Kubuntu is...
[07:00] <ForgeAus> anything not Support oriented isn't necessarily off-topic for kubuntu as an operating system...
[07:01] <zus> ForgeAus,  is that on frenode? btw
[07:01] <ForgeAus> zus yeah
[07:05] <zus> iconmefisto,  also this is the screen shot when i type the adress bar what i get http://imagebin.org/95251
[07:07] <iconmefisto> zus: what do you have for keyword.URL in about:config ?
[07:08] <iconmefisto> zus: mine has: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=
[07:08] <zus> iconmefisto,  http:www.google.com/search?ie=........etc.
[07:10]  * madura is away: Gone away for now
[07:15] <zus> iconmefisto,  i have the same thing... i just double checked
[07:18] <viking667> right. Time I left.
[07:26] <RaGNORAK> hi
[07:27] <RaGNORAK> i have a question will i retain all my settings when upgrading from 9.10 to lucid lynx?
[07:31] <zus> this is frustrating simply typing youtube in 9.10 gave me the site now i got to deal with yoohoo
[07:32] <zus> how do i install chrome?
[07:32] <zus> or is it chromium?
[07:32] <ForgeAus> apt-get install chrome ?
[07:32] <ubuntu> have any of you tried live documents, its an online office suite
[07:32] <ForgeAus> chromium is the devel stuff afaik
[07:32] <ForgeAus> chrome is the release of the browser
[07:32] <iconmefisto> zus: you can install chromium with sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[07:32] <ForgeAus> or maybe go to google...
[07:32] <ubuntu> zus just go to the chrome website, and install it from there
[07:32] <ForgeAus> iconmefisto: ??? but Chrome is released...
[07:33] <ForgeAus> Chromium is only afaik the development version... (underpinnings/engine of Google Chrome)
[07:33] <zus> thanks, this really let me down...tbh
[07:33] <iconmefisto> ForgeAus: chrome is the google-branded version of opensource chromium. chromium is slightly faster than chrome too
[07:34] <ForgeAus> ahh interesting, I didn't know that...
[07:34] <ForgeAus> so chromium isn't from google?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> note: it took google long enough to release Chrome for OSX and Linux way after the Windows release I know that much)
[07:35] <iconmefisto> ForgeAus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29
[07:36] <zus> ForgeAus,  its from google, the google pokemon ball icon is blue
[07:38] <ForgeAus> yeah I knew about the icon
[07:39] <ForgeAus> just monochrome-blue vers of Google's Icon basically (or should I say Googles is a colourized vers of Chromium's?
[07:39] <ForgeAus> note: I had an older version of Chromium but it ran from konsole... wasn't so great...
[07:40] <vadi01> is there no way to makea guest account in kubuntu?????
[07:41] <vadi01> ubuntu has this feature but kubuntu no. since 2008???? developers what up?????
[07:42] <vadi01> ForgeAus: iconmefisto: chromium has a bug in kubuntu. the goolgle search engine cant peform searches if i change the search language settings
[07:45] <iconmefisto> vadi01: you could create a guest user, and allow passwordless login
[07:45] <RaGNORAK> i have a question will i retain all my settings when upgrading from 9.10 to lucid lynx?
[07:46] <RaGNORAK> >_> i am new to linux :(
[07:46] <zus> RaGNORAK, i am new as well, but i believe a fresh install would be better than an upgrade
[07:47] <RaGNORAK> why?
[07:47] <RaGNORAK> wouldn't i have to reset all my settings etc?
[07:48] <iconmefisto> RaGNORAK: you should be able to keep all your settings, but it doesn't always work
[07:48] <RaGNORAK> :s
[07:48] <RaGNORAK> crap
[07:49] <RaGNORAK> so should i just backup my whole root?
[07:49] <RaGNORAK> or something?
[07:50] <RaGNORAK> then make a clean install and reset stuff?
[07:50] <iconmefisto> RaGNORAK: there are some config files that are changed during upgrade, and the upgrader will let you see the changes and allow you to accept them or keep your old config file(s)
[07:51] <RaGNORAK> alright
[07:51] <iconmefisto> RaGNORAK: if you have room to make a new partition, you could keep your old install and install lucid side-by-side
[07:51] <RaGNORAK> ill try upgrading first if that fails ill do a clean install
[07:51] <RaGNORAK> nope don't have the space
[07:51] <vadi01> iconmefisto: any links?
[07:51] <muimota> hi here a lucid user, the network stopped working and the networkmanager-plasmoid  shows "Network Management disabled"
[07:52] <muimota> to connect I have to ifconfig wlan0 up and connect by cable
[07:52] <muimota> the strange thing is that it work fine till yesterday noon
[07:53] <iconmefisto> vadi01: links to what?
[07:53] <vadi01> iconmefisto: ok yea i can make that but will it just log the guest into a temp account which deletes data as soon as he logs out (similar to ubuntu)?
[07:54] <iconmefisto> vadi01: I don't know how you would make the data delete itself
[07:58] <zus> iconmefisto,  i would like to remove fire fox comepletely and its configurations i want to try a fresh install of it
[07:58] <zus> i have an idea what may have gone wrong
[07:59] <iconmefisto> zus: try deleting ~/.mozilla (or rename it to .mozilla-backup in case you decide you want it back later) and that will give you a new firefox profile
[08:01] <zus> iconmefisto,  i am using a wireless usb to log on- my brother has a wired connection his girlfirend has a wirless on a laptop. when she logged on i got  pop ups of her ip adress being refused an invite to share my desktop...
[08:08] <zus> iconmefisto,  ok irenamed it closed my windows and reopened fire fox i get the same thing...
[08:11] <madura> zus: do you need to uninstall FF?
[08:12] <zus> madura,  yes please completely remove everything
[08:12] <iconmefisto> zus: you should delete/rename .mozilla folder when firefox is NOT running
[08:13] <madura> goto terminal, type sudo apt-get remove firefox
[08:13] <madura> zus: ^^
[08:13] <madura> and hit enter :P
[08:14] <zus> iconmefisto,  same thing going to remove and try again..
[08:16] <madura> zus did u try it?
[08:16] <zus> doing it now
[08:17] <madura> zus k
[08:19] <zus> hmm well now i dont have the fire fox installer that i originally used to get  3.6.3 how do i re-install that
[08:20] <jrolland-ubuntu> Hi. I tried following http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2 and it nerfed my GUI; can anyone help
[08:20] <jrolland-ubuntu> ?
[08:20] <iconmefisto> zus: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:20] <jrolland-ubuntu> Would another time tomorrow afternoon be better?
[08:20] <vadi01> iconmefisto: your advice is not recommended: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount
[08:21] <calumayoo> Help. dolphin doesnt run whever i click the file downloaded in the downloads bar in google chrome
[08:21] <power-inside> How big is the kde desktop pack if I need to download it and install on an ubuntu 10.04?
[08:25] <jrolland-ubuntu> OK, I'm going to bed; I'll try again tomorrow
[08:26] <zus> on reinstallation it decided to  reuse the deleted packages and i was back to sqaure one...
[08:27] <madura> zus you can clear the cache and download new files
[08:27] <madura> zus: why do you need to reinstall FF?
[08:27] <moetunes> zus: tried   sudo apt-get purge firefox   ?
[08:27] <zus> thing is my book marks were saved for offline reading with fire fox...when iim at my place with no internet..
[08:27] <calumayoo> !reinstall
[08:28] <calumayoo> !remove konqueror
[08:28] <calumayoo> !uninstallkonqueror
[08:28] <calumayoo> !konqueror
[08:28] <moetunes> !msgthebot
[08:29] <madura> zus i have no idea how to get ur bookmarks back tho, why dont u export the bookmarks and import them again?
[08:30] <madura> zus: like export from home pc and import into FF in other pc where it has internet
[08:30] <zus> madura,  the google has read it later bookmarklets but it pulls them of thier site...firefox did it in the browser
[08:31] <madura> zus: u mean chrome?
[08:31] <zus> madura,  yeah
[08:32] <madura> zus: in FF if u want to get ur bookmarks in a new installation, you have to import it from a file
[08:32] <zus> madura,  nope i just go to the read it later site and log in.
[08:33] <zus> so as long as i have a connection i can use the browser to get them, but when i dont have a connection what is in the browser i can see offline
[08:34] <zus> everytime i make a new bookmark i have to click download book mark or i can see it offline
[08:35] <zus> my upgrade to 10.4 i had to download 487 bookmarks  ,..
[08:38] <madura> zus :S u use alot of bookmarkin! sorry i use FF but dont know much on it
[08:41] <zus> madura,  i dont have  internet at my place, and so i have tutorials and or certain helpfull pages saved for reading when im at home
[08:43] <zus> madura,  read it later add-on in firefox check it out i love it works with iphone also
[08:44] <madura> zus: oh thats like site riping
[08:45] <zus> madura,  there is an add-on that actually saves an entire website too but it took for ever for it
[08:48] <zus> googles ftw!   nothing  about comcast or yahoo here!
[08:51] <ForgeAus> hmm.. linux needs a an either/or dependancy check for its packages, so you can have something in KDE rather than having to have unnecessary Gnome dependancies
[08:56] <kasun> hello, Can I use Karmic APTonCD repository in Lucid as well?
[08:58] <moetunes> kasun: I wouldn't recommend it - there will be unmet dependencies because of version conflicts afaik
[08:59] <kasun> moetunes, okay thanks.
[08:59] <zus> i have no audio in you tube, can anyone check if its just me or is youtube being bad?
[08:59] <zus> my mp3's  play in dolphin and amorok
[09:00] <Power-Inside> Zus: switch new/old facebook , browsers or try upgrading flash
[09:00] <Power-Inside> sorry not facebook , youtube
[09:00] <FeasibilityStudy> zus: Probably an issue with flash.  What I do is get rid of the flash ubuntu installs and then download the 64 bit version from Adob'e site.
[09:01] <FeasibilityStudy> If I don't, I also don't get sound with the default flash ubuntu installs.,
[09:01] <iconmefisto> zus: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[09:02] <zus> bah thats right, different browsers,...well my kubuntu repos guide is bookmarked lol
[09:02] <zus> iconmefisto, how do i check?
[09:03] <iconmefisto> zus: apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[09:03] <iconmefisto> zus: I can never get flash sound when pulseaudio is installed
[09:04] <zus> hmm installed none came back with a couple other info,. one sec let me try something
[09:05] <soulsurfer> has anyone else had problem with sound between flash and amarok with kubuntu 10.04?  I installed kubuntu fresh, then the media addons and flash played sound, but if i start playing amarok, then sound for flash stops working
[09:09] <FeasibilityStudy> I recommend all of you switch to OSS.  You will be glad you did.  Goodbye sound issues.
[09:09] <soulsurfer> how can i switch to oss easilyi?
[09:09] <iconmefisto> FeasibilityStudy: OSS4? last time I tried, nothing worked
[09:10] <FeasibilityStudy> It depends on your hardware.   If your hardware supports it, then switch.
[09:10] <FeasibilityStudy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound
[09:11] <FeasibilityStudy> Read that.  Be sure to check that your hardware is compatible before you decide to try it.
[09:11] <soulsurfer> when flash is installed where does it decide which sound server to use?
[09:11] <FeasibilityStudy> I always switch to OSS no matter the distro I use.  Everything just works, and the sound quality is as good if not better than ALSA.
[09:12] <FeasibilityStudy> There used to be a package called "libflashsupport" that 32 bit nsplugionwrapper versions of flash had to have for sound to work..However, i dont see it in the repos now..
[09:14] <soulsurfer> huh
[09:15] <madura> well i had no prob with installing and using pulseaudio in kubuntu
[09:15] <soulsurfer> well i started following the directions on the oss page but killall pulseaudio doesn't work because it says pulseaudio: no process found
[09:15] <zus> in adobe site  do i get the .deb package for 8.04+
[09:15] <soulsurfer> madura, you had to install pulseaudio manually?
[09:15] <FeasibilityStudy> soulsurfer you on 64 bit kubuntu?
[09:15] <iconmefisto> FeasibilityStudy: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound ?
[09:15] <soulsurfer> 32bit
[09:15] <madura> soulsurfer: yes
[09:16] <soulsurfer> ok i'll try
[09:16] <madura> soulsurfer: i mean from the repos
[09:16] <zus> there is also apt8.04+ the only two ubuntu
[09:16] <soulsurfer> yeah like sudo apt-get install pulseaudio ?
[09:16] <madura> soulsurfer: refer to the guide at ubuntu.com
[09:17] <FeasibilityStudy> 32 bit huh?  That's odd then.  It should work OOTB.  At any rate, for any of you 64 bit users, uninstall flash via apt.  Then go to the Adobe site here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html
[09:17] <madura> soulsurfer: yes but there are a few configs to do, like using routing ALSA output thru pulseaudio, flash uses ALSA
[09:17] <soulsurfer> oh ok thanks!
[09:17] <soulsurfer> although it looks like phonon is also trying to route through alsa
[09:18] <soulsurfer> so i don't understand why amarok kills the sound for flash
[09:18] <FeasibilityStudy> Download that flash package and unzip it to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[09:19] <madura> soulsurfer: goto phonon config
[09:19] <madura> soulsurfer: and prefer pulse audio sound server
[09:19] <madura> put it to the top
[09:20] <soulsurfer> ok. i'm installing pulseaudio now
[09:22] <soulsurfer> i don't understand why this isn't working right from the install.  is it just my hardware?
[09:22] <zus> iconmefisto,  am i missing something or there is nothing for google chromiums in here http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#Web_Browsers
[09:22] <soulsurfer> i just have a standard intel soundcard from the motherboard
[09:23] <vivien`> Hi. Does anyone connects to KDE with his SSH passphrases, under Lucid? I installes libpam-ssh, but I cannot find pam-ssh-*!
[09:23] <ForgeAus> soulserver AC97?
[09:23] <soulsurfer> the audio output in phonon says "HDA Intel (VT1708S Analog)"
[09:23] <ForgeAus> do a a console (or Terminal, Konsole, Yakuake, whatever) command: lspci it should tell you what hardware you have
[09:24] <vivien`> I installed libpam-ssh, dpkg-reconfigured it, launched "apt-file search pam-ssh-auth", etc. Nothing worked. The file does not seem to exist anymore.
[09:24] <ForgeAus> I don't know that hardware
[09:25] <soulsurfer> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[09:28] <asdzxc> hi
[09:29] <seth> After upgrading to 10.04 my nvidia driver doesn't work.
[09:29] <ForgeAus> seth, its probably a different method of getting nvidia working
[09:29] <ForgeAus> !nvidia
[09:29] <zus> i removed firefox, purged   it  now with chromium i have no youtube audio nothing is working
[09:30] <ForgeAus> seth you should be able to fix it...
[09:30] <ForgeAus> assuming that page has current info it will have how somewhere
[09:31] <asdzxc> i have problems with screen refresh rate. in System settings -> Display i can see it's set to 50Hz but when i look into the internal menu of my monitor, it is displaying 60Hz. in System settings i'm able to raise it only to 51Hz and when i do, monitor menu is displaying 75Hz (which is good). i don't care about the incorrect values in System settgins but problem is that after reboot, it is AGAIN set to 50 Hz and i need to change it. how can 
[09:31] <ForgeAus> hmmm looks old, no mention of even Karmic...
[09:32] <seth> ForgeAus: I've spent hours trying different ways to fix it. I'm completely lost.
[09:33] <ForgeAus> try this maybe: http://www.sucka.net/2010/04/how-to-install-nvidia-video-driver-in-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[09:33] <ForgeAus> (its gnome-based tho..)
[09:33] <ForgeAus> I think mostly uses cli so gnome shouldn't matter)
[09:34] <seth> Ok. Hopefully, it helps.
[09:34] <seth> Thank you
[09:35] <soulsurfer> madura it worked, thanks!  Just installing pulseaudio and setting it first for phonon fixed it
[09:36] <madura> soulsurfer: :)
[09:38] <ForgeAus> seth, all I can say is good luck...
[09:43] <HoellP> hey
[09:44] <Benkinooby> hi everyone. i think i messed up the upgrade to lucid. i am still with karmic. i backed up the /etc/apt/sources.list (which was full of "lucid") and replaced it with my old ("karmic") sources.list. what else do i have to consider?
[09:44] <zus> alright i reinstalled a few things, still no audio in youtube.
[09:44] <HoellP> is there a way to get rid of the autostarting kbluetooth in 10.04?
[09:44] <HoellP> i don't even have a bt adapter...
[09:45] <ForgeAus> zus, its not something simple like volume or which ports your speakers are in is it?
[09:45] <moetunes> HoellP: it's not listed in services
[09:45] <HoellP> nowhere i can find it
[09:45] <zus> ForgeAus,  nope amorok is  playing even
[09:45] <ForgeAus> (if you normally use JACK to plug in your speakers, you might have to assign a port)
[09:45] <HoellP> i edited the config in my home and set autostart=false
[09:45] <HoellP> but it still starts
[09:45] <tom___> HoellP yes there ist, remoe kbluetooth via kpackagekit
[09:45] <zus> ForgeAus,  even in dolphin
[09:45] <HoellP> tom___, ok, i'm already on to that
[09:45] <ForgeAus> other than that I'm not alot of help with audio... I had to install a kernel module for my mobo one time
[09:46] <moetunes> HoellP: do in konsole   ls /etc/rc2.d   and look for a mention of bluetooth then
[09:46] <HoellP> was my last resort
[09:46] <tom___> I also removed it, I dont even have BT hardware
[09:46] <moetunes> or you can set it to not start in the runlevel
[09:46] <ForgeAus> zus, hmm... then sorry I have no idea
[09:47] <zus> ForgeAus,  its cool, im about one more mishap from reinstalling...at this point :)
[09:47] <HoellP> i try removing it from standard runlevel for now
[09:47] <HoellP> the funny thing is, only the tool gets started, no kernel modules...
[09:49] <moetunes> HoellP: don't remove it or upgrades will put it back - move it from havihg S at the start to having K at the start
[09:50] <Benkinooby> HoellP: kbluetooth is worrying em all the time too. i once managed to disable it, but since i activeted it accidentally, i have all the troubles again. kbluetooth is quite sticky...
[09:52] <madura> hey isnt kdevelop on the default repos?
[09:53] <ForgeAus> really? uh I thought it would have been
[09:53] <ForgeAus> !info kdevelop
[09:53] <ForgeAus> wow
[09:53] <HoellP> moetunes, i used update-rc to stop bluetooth from starting
[09:54] <ForgeAus> !kdevelop
[09:54] <HoellP> but that doesn't prevent kbluetooth from starting...
[09:54] <HoellP> so i uninstalled that
[09:54] <moetunes> ForgeAus: there's been a few folk mentioning it
[09:54] <ForgeAus> maybe it will be backported since its KDE4 vers is new isn't it?
[09:54] <zus> who suggested is it something simple like a volume or something ForgeAus ?
[09:54] <ForgeAus> (not sure if its the first KDE4 release for Kdevelop tho
[09:55] <ForgeAus> uh me I mentioned that...
[09:55] <ForgeAus> (not sure if someone else did too tho)
[09:55] <madura> ForgeAus: OMG!
[09:56] <madura> they dont include their default IDE !!
[09:56] <ForgeAus> uh? whats God got to do with it?
[09:56] <madura> :P
[09:56] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu used to have Kdevelop
[09:56] <moetunes> for those that want kdevelop - http://linuxdunyasi.net/?p=15039
[09:56] <ForgeAus> I think its just with the whole transition to Kde4
[09:56] <madura> thanks moetunes
[09:56] <ForgeAus> it will be there sometime
[09:56] <moetunes> np
[09:56] <madura> hmm
[09:57] <HoellP> i have kdevelop in universe...
[09:57] <ForgeAus> if not this release another coming one will get it
[09:57] <HoellP> not good enough for you?
[09:57] <zus> i got the gorram sound  in youtube,...the ruttin firefox thing had me so angry.....
[09:57] <moetunes> HoellP: you using karmic or lucid?
[09:57] <HoellP> lucid ofc
[09:57] <HoellP> Version: 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1
[09:58] <HoellP> so it seems really fresh
[09:58] <ForgeAus> thats because it is really fresh
[09:58] <zus> thanks to everyone who has helped and suggested any help. ;)
[10:16] <scb> Anyone having issues with the power button in kubuntu after upgrading to 10.04?
[10:20] <justus> hi
[10:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys im loving lucid but not the left right and center crashing :( of everything
[10:21] <eagles0513875> like jockey kpackagekit source list editor crashing on reload
[10:21] <justus> how can I install thunderbird? I can't find it in the menu but I also can't find it in KPaketManager
[10:22] <marc-andre> justus: sure ? i installed it in kpaketmanager
[10:22] <marc-andre> justus: else you can always use Konsole and type "sudo apt-get install thunderbird"
[10:22] <justus> I search for Mozilla Thunderbird in all descritptions and find only thunderbird-dev and thunderbird-gnome-support
[10:23] <eagles0513875> justus: its just thunder bird
[10:23]  * marc-andre just typed thunder in the searchfield
[10:23] <Benkinooby> hi, i thing i messed up the lucid upgrade. also, i think i will stay with karmic for a while before upgrading to lucid (i am not all that experienced...). i set back my sources.lsit to "karmic" after everything was "lucid" in there. what other files do i have to consider?
[10:23] <eagles0513875> marc-andre: thunderbird also works
[10:23] <justus> if I just give in thunderbird I get a few dozen results, none of which is simply the package thunderbird
[10:24] <marc-andre> justus: the result gives you just "mail/rss client ..."
[10:25] <justus> ah, ok, that's why I didn't find it
[10:25] <justus> thank you
[10:25] <marc-andre> np
[10:25] <marc-andre> it's true, the results in kpaketmanager are not very clear
[10:25] <Fill23> 'apt-get install kdevelop' finds nothing, am i missing something?
[10:26] <marc-andre> but you have sometimes the name of the software written in small beneath the "name" or "description" in big
[10:26] <marc-andre> Fill23: did you add the PPA ?
[10:26] <eagles0513875> Fill23_:: try apt-cache search kdevelop to get a list of kdevelop packages
[10:26] <eagles0513875> marc-andre: should be in repos as well
[10:26] <eagles0513875> Fill23_: sudo apt-get install kdevelop shoudl do it
[10:26] <eagles0513875> as its already in the repos
[10:26] <marc-andre> well, i use Eclipse :)
[10:27] <eagles0513875> marc-andre: hehe me 2 for java dev
[10:27] <Fill23> marc-andre: do i need? i was thinking kdevelop is a core package for kde
[10:28] <eagles0513875> Fill23: it is
[10:28] <marc-andre> eagles0513875: i use it for PHP dev (Zend Studio) and with the Aptana plugin :D
[10:28] <Fill23> eagles051387: system don't find that package in repos
[10:28] <eagles0513875> Fill23:  let me find what repo you need to enable hold on
[10:28] <marc-andre> Fill23: the PPA is for the latest beta release
[10:29] <eagles0513875> Fill23: do you have the backports repo enabled or you can go ppa like marc-andre is suggesting
[10:29] <doc_> moin
[10:30] <Fill23> eagles051387: i'll go check backports, but can you explain me why this package not in the main repos?
[10:30] <doc_> ich suche eine aktuelle source.list für kubuntu kann mir da jemand einen link geben?
[10:30] <eagles0513875> Fill23: as i am not a developer i am unable to aner that quest
[10:30] <marc-andre> doc_: was genau suchst du was nicht schon in sources.list ist ?
[10:30] <eagles0513875> !de | doc_
[10:31] <eagles0513875> marc-andre: english in this channel plz
[10:31] <doc_> ohh sry
[10:31] <eagles0513875> doc_: no worries mate
[10:31] <eagles0513875> what ever language you feel better using we got a place for you :)
[10:31] <Fill23> eagles051387: no i don't have backports. jst gessed maybe you would know :)
[10:31] <marc-andre> didn't thought of it :D
[10:32] <eagles0513875> Fill23: what im thinking is they backported the upstream stable version
[10:32] <doc_> i go to #kubuntu-de... thx 2 all
[10:32] <eagles0513875> i could be wrong so if anyone knows feel free to correct me  if i am wrong is saying that
[10:32] <Benkinooby> doc_: you are lookign for a standard "lucid-sources.list"?
[10:35] <marc-andre> why did they actually replace Konversation with Quassel ?
[10:35] <Fill23> eagles051387: turns out you right :) all i was need to do is to check kubuntu site, they jst released kdevelop 4.0 and placed it in backports
[10:36] <Kottalizer> Good day.
[10:37] <moetunes> Kottalizer: yes it is :]
[10:37] <Kottalizer> moetunes: Do you use Kubuntu 10.04?
[10:37] <Freyr> how can i remove the printer applet ?
[10:38]  * eagles0513875 talk about buggy lucid :(
[10:38] <moetunes> Kottalizer: not yet...
[10:38] <eagles0513875> Fill23:  :)
[10:38] <marc-andre> Freyr: you open the plasmoids and rightclick on it
[10:38] <Kottalizer> moetunes: Ok, you're using an older version?
[10:38] <moetunes> Kottalizer: if you state your prob someone else here might know
[10:39] <moetunes> Kottalizer: I'm on my server atm
[10:39] <Kottalizer> moetunes: I haven't any problems, just found this chat program and wanted to see how it worked.
[10:39] <Freyr> ok
[10:39] <casper3> How can I configure boot splash in lucid??
[10:39] <moetunes> Kottalizer: k - there's lots of channels as well as here
[10:40] <Kottalizer> moetunes: I'll try to find some, thank you! :)
[10:40] <moetunes> if youi like to explore that is
[10:40] <Freyr> and how do i prevent from appear/starting again ? bcz every time i'm starting my kubuntu box it starts
[10:41] <justus> ok, that one is strange: I have 5 disks installed in my computer, 4 of them are listed, but the 120GB partition where I installed Win7 (and Kubuntu via wubi) is not listed, how can I mount it?
[10:52] <Freyr> is it possible to use ubuntu one in kubuntu ?
[10:53] <ForgeAus> how do you restart an X-server without restarting the PC (using a LiveCD)?
[10:53] <Freyr> ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:54] <moetunes> !ubuntuone | Freyr here's a link
[10:55]  * marc-andre like very much the integration of IM,mail and social networking in Gnome, the sober design, but not so the applications paked with Gnome
[10:56] <Bucky> hi, i'm a kubuntu newbie (first day with KDE...)
[10:56] <Bucky> got a couple of issues...
[10:57] <moetunes> you just ask away in here Bucky :]
[10:57] <ForgeAus> Bucky, such as?
[10:57] <Bucky> since when i turn on the proprietary ATI drivers, the login looks different
[10:58] <Bucky> it has something like 4 colours?
[10:58] <Bucky> !
[10:58] <ForgeAus> bucky, thats probably because the drivers are different
[10:58] <ForgeAus> its better to use the Opensource Drivers
[10:58] <ForgeAus> hehe I know I thought that was strange too but they really are better...
[10:58] <Bucky> with the open drivers was ok, but the fan was always turned on
[10:59] <ForgeAus> for Linux anyway...
[10:59] <ForgeAus> (different if your running windows or something)
[10:59] <Bucky> so your suggestion is just to turn off!
[10:59] <Bucky> i'll try
[11:00] <Bucky> second issue
[11:00] <SilverCode> Bucky: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290
[11:00] <ForgeAus> Bucky, you'd have to research if theres a tool to work with the fan, I don't know of one...
[11:00] <ForgeAus> I highly doubt the proprietary drivers will have that option anyway...
[11:01] <Bucky> yeah, is exactly like the image in the link!
[11:01] <Bucky> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42432650/DSC01055_.jpeg
[11:02] <Bucky> (this is the old logo anyway...)
[11:02] <Bucky> about the second issue...
[11:03] <Bucky> when i log on the network manager always ask to access to kdewallet to establish the connection
[11:03] <Bucky> is it possible to avoid this?
[11:04] <tom___> Bucky there is pwmconfig and lmsensors which are capable of controlling fans - but I never used them in kde
[11:04] <SilverCode> Bucky: haven't tried this, but in System Settings->KDE Wallet->
[11:04] <tom___> with gnome it worked fine
[11:05] <SilverCode> hang on, ignore that
[11:08] <Bucky> but when you log on it automatically connect to the network, without asking any pwd?
[11:08] <Bucky> maybe deleting all the connection pwd in the wallet?
[11:10] <ForgeAus> hmm why does Xchat return a ping request by saying ? second(s) ?
[11:10] <ForgeAus> (uh I should have put that in quotes
[11:10] <ForgeAus>  * Ping reply from ForgeAus: ? second(s)
[11:10] <Kottalizer> ForgeAus: Did you get one from me there?
[11:11] <ForgeAus> yeah
[11:11] <FinnArild> Ok - so - I have updated to 10.04 - get the loginscreen, then KDE crashes and brings me to the login screen.
[11:11] <ForgeAus> 22* Received a CTCP PING 1272795048 from Kottalizer
[11:11] <Kottalizer> ForgeAus: Right :)
[11:11] <ForgeAus> FinnArild:  thats what happens
[11:12] <FinnArild> ForgeAus: ??
[11:12] <ForgeAus> if the WM doesn't load it sends you back to login screen
[11:12] <ForgeAus> (sometimes loops)
[11:12] <ForgeAus> sounds like you have a problem with display or your X-server somewhere along the line
[11:12] <FinnArild> ForgeAus: X server seems to load, since the login is in X
[11:13] <FinnArild> but - it is very strange that a simple update should break my machine?
[11:13] <ForgeAus> you could try control + alt + backspace (restarts the X server - I think)
[11:13] <ForgeAus> what is a "simple" update? lol
[11:13] <ForgeAus> check your HDD space, and memory issues, maybe you just need to restart?...
[11:13] <ForgeAus> or depending on what you updated it could have been corrupt and messed up your config...
[11:14] <ForgeAus> I don't know I can only speculate
[11:14] <FinnArild> ForgeAus: well ... you'd like to be better than Windows, for example - there you get updates all the time that doesn't completely break the machine.
[11:14] <FinnArild> ... this is why non-technical people doesn't run Linux.
[11:15] <ForgeAus> linux normally doesn't have trouble updating things
[11:15] <ForgeAus> they don't USUALLY break the machine
[11:15] <ForgeAus> although some may require certain types of configuration
[11:15] <moetunes> I've never had an update break anything - had to redo configs tho
[11:15] <ForgeAus> FinnArild: what I mean to say is  your situation there is abnormal
[11:16] <FinnArild> ... must be my machine: and Acer REVOlution - cos' it happens every time I update something ...
[11:16] <ForgeAus> (as in not something to judge Linux by)
[11:16] <ForgeAus> FinnArild: thats odd.... try googling it, someone else may have had a similar problem
[11:16] <FinnArild> My wife is threatening with Windows Vista if I can't get it run smoothly .... the horror ....
[11:17] <ForgeAus> what update were you doing exactly?
[11:17] <ForgeAus> argh I hate in X-Chat how I can't rightclick - ping a user!
[11:17] <FeasibilityStudy> anyone know how to start the ubuntuone client from kubuntu?  I just installed it but it doesnt show in the menu and it doesnt start from the  cli either.
[11:18] <FinnArild> The machine asked if I wanted to update to 10.04 - I said yes, then it took all night and broke. I rebooted and did the apt-get distupgrade to finish it off.
[11:18] <FinnArild> ... now I can't log in ...
[11:18] <tom___> I like Quassel better than Xchat
[11:18] <ForgeAus> FeasibilityStudy: not in the menu?
[11:19] <ForgeAus> Quassel seems very, X-chat based for KDE...
[11:19] <FinnArild> ah - now it does a disk-check on reboot ...
[11:19] <ForgeAus> unfortunately I'm running a LiveCD of PCLinuxOS right now
[11:19] <FeasibilityStudy> ForgeAus: No it's not in the menu
[11:19] <Bucky> third issue: when i was using ubuntu there was a UbuntuSWCentre (or something like this) from which choosing the sw
[11:19] <ForgeAus> got KDE but its default chat client for IRC is X-Chat
[11:19] <FinnArild> man - that new kubuntu startup image is UGLY
[11:19] <Bucky> there was a list!
[11:19] <ForgeAus> not having alot of success fetching kubuntu either
[11:20] <Bucky> here i can't find it!
[11:20] <FinnArild> ForgeAus: ok - but which logfiles should I track for a kde crash?
[11:20] <ForgeAus> Ubuntu?... uh Kubuntu uses Adept (unless thats been replaced, possibly kpackagekit or something like that)
[11:20] <tom___> yes it it kpackagekit
[11:21] <ForgeAus> FinnArild: thats beyond my knowledgebase...
[11:21] <tom___> *is
[11:21] <ForgeAus> .. unfortunately
[11:21] <FinnArild> ok
[11:21] <Bucky> ok, i tried to find right there, but there's only a search mask!
[11:21] <FinnArild> ... maybe try the #kde channel ... but - there's a seldom spell of sun here in Norway so I'll be afk for a coffee on the veranda ...
[11:21] <Bucky> is not possible to have a list to check?
[11:21] <ForgeAus> a list of what?
[11:22] <Bucky> a list of softwarew name from which coosing the ones to install
[11:23] <ForgeAus> doesn't fedora (a rpm-based distro, pretty much opposite of Kubuntu as far as Linux goes) use packagekit too?(although you can get KDE for it - kinda like Debian - no real default Desktop, but lotsa options for one)
[11:23] <ForgeAus> Bucky, thats what kpackagekit is...
[11:23] <tom___> Bucky on the right is a drop down menu
[11:23] <tom___> with a list
[11:24] <ForgeAus> its the package manager (if you like more in more basic terms, a software installer)
[11:24] <tom___> Bucky the gnome version of ubuntu has a more user friendly software list, unfortunately
[11:25] <Bucky> tom___: thanks that was what i was looking for
[11:26] <Bucky> bye all
[11:31] <KenBW2> Is it possible to have an autohidden panel appear after a delay?
[11:33] <wedo> hello
[11:33] <wedo> is there anybody to help here?
[11:34] <wedo> :(
[11:34] <KenBW2> there might be if you ask a question
[11:34] <tom___> wedo whats your issue
[11:36] <wedo> thanks in advance,.. My network applet requires authentication to reach the wallet every time i restart my system.. how can I make it automatically authenicated?
[11:37] <kromium> Hi I installed kubuntu 10.04 and double quotes key ¨ is not working... how to resolve this?
[11:38] <tom___> wedo I never had this problem, but you can try looking into system settings - advanced - kdewallet
[11:39] <tom___> kromium you maybe have chosen the wrong keyboard layout - you can change this in system settings - regional settings
[11:39] <kromium> ok
[11:39] <KenBW2> wedo, tom___: ive been told that the only solution to that is have a blank password
[11:39] <KenBW2> its a PITA for me too
[11:40] <wedo> KenBW2: that means to remove the wallet password?
[11:40] <KenBW2> yea
[11:40] <KenBW2> rendering the wallet pointless
[11:41] <Benkinooby> how can i stop kbluetooth from starting when i log on? i checked all files that are related to it http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4932/kbluetooth.png but still it comes. i checked all possible menus in "System Settings" but it is not listed. where else can i check?
[11:42] <tom___> Benkinooby I simply removed the package Kbluetooth, but maybe there are better solutions
[11:43] <wedo> KenBW2: is it a Kubuntu bug? i did not face this problem with Ubuntu
[11:43] <Benkinooby> tom___: i was also thinking about this solution... but to be honest... there HAS to be a better solution
[11:44] <KenBW2> wedo: yes, gnome's equivalent automatically takes the password from your login
[11:44] <KenBW2> wedo: don't know if it's a bug or feature request for KDE
[11:44] <wedo> thank you KenBW2
[11:45] <wedo> i had this error message twice today do anybody know about it http://pastebin.com/jVzACpjQ
[11:53] <Mamarok> wedo: what did you try to do?
[11:54] <paolopoz> hello all - just installed virtualbox but keeps telling me that it lacks of the kernel module. using kubuntu 10.04, installed from universe
[11:54] <wedo> Mamarok:  i was trying to install new packages
[11:54] <Mamarok> wedo: looks like your apt folder is locked, just a second
[11:56] <wedo> Mamarok:  but i canceled it before finishing then the KpackageKit was showing - (waiting for service to start) i closed it then i had the error
[11:56] <Benkinooby> tom___: hahah, i managed
[11:56] <tom___> Benkinooby how did u do it?
[11:57] <Mamarok> wedo: you should not cancel an upgrade before finishing, you locked your apt folder. Try this: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/loc
[11:57] <Benkinooby> tom___: the problem is, that what ever u set, kubuntu will restart all apps and stuff that you left open, when shutting down
[11:57] <Benkinooby> tom___: so it just restarts all the bluetooth stuff when u reboot. i killed all processes related to it, an TADAAAA :)
[11:57] <Mamarok> wedo: then type: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:58] <wedo> Mamarok: i'm updating now
[11:58] <Benkinooby> tom___: this was the reason, why i could not be found in any autostart files or so...
[11:58] <Mamarok> wedo: there's a typo in my first instruction: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[11:59] <wedo> Mamarok:  but its very slow
[11:59] <Mamarok> wedo: well, downloading can be slow sometimes
[11:59] <tom___> Benkinooby that sounds good. There are more people having that problem...
[11:59] <wedo> Mamarok: does the Konqueror proxy settings affect the update connection?
[12:00] <zus> how can i make amorok the default player for music?
[12:00] <Mamarok> wedo: a proxy can cause slowness, yes
[12:00] <Mamarok> zus: Amarok *is* the default  music player in KDE
[12:01] <zus> Mamarok,  well when i click on my music vlc starts instead...not amorok
[12:01] <tom___> zus in system-settings - advances is a gui for file associations
[12:05] <Mamarok> zus: because you installed VLC afterwards, it went on top of the list, go to the Systemsettings and change the default apps
[12:05] <Trollinator> kubuntu netbook remix is a complete and utter usability failure. How can i turn off plasma-netbook and get a usable desktop back?
[12:06] <vistakiller> i have a strange problem with screensaver
[12:06] <Mamarok> Trollinator: check the system setting and change the default plasma desktop that should start
[12:06] <wedo> Mamarok: the authentication windows does not top the other windows, can i make it always be on top to notice it?
[12:06] <vistakiller> when i enable it from down 5 minutes it work
[12:06] <vistakiller> when is above 5 minutes i have only black screen and no screensaver
[12:06] <Mamarok> wedo: well, it should, just avoid clicking before it appears
[12:07] <vistakiller> any idea?
[12:07] <zus> Mamarok,  didnt see anything for music players and in default aps i found stuff for web browsers
[12:08] <Trollinator> Mamarok: thanks
[12:08] <Mamarok> zus: sorry, my bad, it's in the system settings advanced tab, file association
[12:08] <Mamarok> change the audio section files where VLC is on top, just push Amarok on top instead
[12:08] <Mamarok> Trollinator: you are welcome
[12:09] <Trollinator> i tried to get rid of netbook mode by just removing plasma-netbook. Except that when i logged in after that, all i got was an empty screen :/
[12:11] <Mamarok> Trollinator: that was described in the release notes about the kubuntu-netbook...
[12:11] <erinaceus_> Morning everyone, i was wondering, should i do a freshinstall for 10.4 or does an upgrade suffice?
[12:12] <Trollinator> do you actually expect normal users to read those?
[12:13] <Mamarok> erinaceus_: if you have a separate partition for your /home you can do a fresh install, but an upgrade is OK, too
[12:13] <Mamarok> Trollinator: yes, else we wouldn't even bother to write it
[12:13] <Mamarok> Trollinator: don't blame us for the laziness of users...
[12:13] <Trollinator> well, they don't. deal with it :)
[12:13] <erinaceus_> Mamarok: Thanks :) And another question, i have firefox as default browser, but if click on a link it still opens konqueror, where can i change that?
[12:13] <Mamarok> their problem then :)
[12:13] <zus> Mamarok,  my stuff must be broken, i dont see it any where-
[12:13] <Trollinator> um, no.
[12:14] <Mamarok> erinaceus_: where do you click on that link?
[12:14] <Trollinator> because users will switch to another distro if merely uninstalling a package (one that isn't marked essential) breaks their system.
[12:14] <Mamarok> zus: could you give me a screenshot of what you have in the basic settings?
[12:14] <ForgeAus> lol kewl nickname Trollinator  :)
[12:14] <Mamarok> Trollinator: no need to stand up to your nick, seriously
[12:14] <erinaceus_> Mamarok: Pidgin e.g., if i click on a link in firefox it opens a new tab ;)
[12:15] <Mamarok> removing it is never a recommended way to solve an issue
[12:15] <ForgeAus> nless it refers to turning others into trolls perhaps... ???
[12:15] <Mamarok> it's a setting, hence search in the settings
[12:15] <zus> Mamarok,  one sec
[12:15] <Mamarok> erinaceus_: change it in the Pidgin settings maybe?
[12:15] <Mamarok> I don't use Pidgin, it's not a KDE app
[12:15] <erinaceus_> Mamarok: Thx, i'll check
[12:15] <ForgeAus> Trollinator: normally kubuntu refers to it as removing or purging packages...
[12:16] <Trollinator> whatever.
[12:16] <Trollinator> still, uninstalling a package that isn't marked as essential should make the system unusable.
[12:16] <Mamarok> Trollinator: it does if you selected it to be the default starting desktop, what do you expect?
[12:17] <Mamarok> by marking it as the default you set it to essential to your system, removing it does break your desktop, that is just pure logic
[12:18] <Trollinator> I expect the kubuntu developers to write a shell script that checks whether somebody uses the netbook shell and put it into the prerm hook.
[12:18] <vadi01> BUG in forefox kubuntu: cannnot save images
[12:18] <vadi01> anyone with such an issue?
[12:18] <Vamp898> can anyone tell me why the kubuntu installation is _that_ slow? If i click on the "Next" Button it takes about
[12:19] <Vamp898> 1 minute or more to react and change the screen
[12:19] <Mamarok> Vamp898: what is the speed of your system?
[12:19] <Vamp898> 2x2 GHz T4200
[12:19] <Mamarok> it did install in less than 20 minutes here, fresh install
[12:19] <Mamarok> yep, pretty much the same here
[12:19] <Vamp898> the installation itself is fast
[12:19] <wedo> how can i change the software update server?
[12:20] <Trollinator> Mamarok: if Kubuntu is interested, i could write that shell script. It should be pretty trivial with k{read,write}config
[12:20] <Mamarok> Vamp898: well, a CD is a slow medium, it has to re-read it every time it comes back to it
[12:20] <Vamp898> Mamarok: The Ubuntu CD isn´t that slow
[12:20] <Mamarok> Trollinator: please suggest that in #kubuntu-netbook
[12:20] <Trollinator> OK.
[12:20] <Mamarok> Vamp898: can't tell, I never installed Ubuntu :)
[12:20] <zus> Mamarok, http://imagebin.org/95262
[12:20] <Vamp898> On the Ubuntu Live CD when i click "Next" in the installation framework it just switches the screen. on the Kubuntu Live CD i have to wait about 30 seconds or a lot more
[12:20] <zus> Mamarok,  is that what you asked for?
[12:21] <wedo>  i changed it through the software sources but when i do update useing the terminal it connecting to the same server
[12:21] <Mamarok> zus: yes, now go click on the audio section on the left, then on the file type you want to use Amarok by default
[12:21] <Vamp898> Mamarok: it is that slow since Kubuntu 9.10 before that release the installation was very fast (like the Ubuntu one)
[12:21] <Mamarok> Vamp898: you maybe just have a not so good CD
[12:22] <Vamp898> Mamarok: im doing it in a VM right now, directly from the ISO.
[12:22] <Mamarok> Vamp898: then I don't know, sorry. But be aware that a VM is not exactly the fastest...
[12:22] <Vamp898> Mamarok:  the live CD itself is fast. Everything runs fine. Only the installation screen is damm slow
[12:22] <Mamarok> Vamp898: file a bug then
[12:23] <Vamp898> yet another bugtracker account :/
[12:23] <zus> Mamarok,  ooh ya got to go through each file?
[12:24] <Mamarok> zus: only those that have vlc on top instead of Amarok, likely mp3, ogg and flac
[12:24] <Mamarok> unless you use other formats, then change those, too
[12:24] <zus> Mamarok,  got you...
[12:24] <Vamp898> Mamarok: there is already one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/164030
[12:25] <zus> ok thanks,
[12:25] <Mamarok> Vamp898: well, subscribe to it, not much I can do about, sorry
[12:25] <Mamarok> zus: you are welcome :)
[12:26] <Vamp898> Mamarok: i dont asked you to fix it ;) mostly im interested what causes this to maybe write a patch or something like that
[12:26] <zus> one other thing its been bothering me...my firefox some how used yahoo as it's search engine....i unistalled it cuz nothing i did fixed it...http://imagebin.org/95251
[12:26] <Mamarok> Vamp898: I don't know, check that bug report, that's the most likely source of information about it
[12:27] <zus> anyone around that might have an idea,
[12:27] <Mamarok> zus: I guess you had an old firefox from pre-beta stage Ubuntu, install a newer one
[12:27] <Mamarok> the one that came with the release uses Google as the default search engine, else you should be able to change it in the firefox settings
[12:28] <zus> Mamarok,  that was 3.6.3 from after installing i used the installfirefox icon iin kmenu
[12:28] <ForgeAus> Mamorok you mean: sudo apt-get upgrade firefox   ???
[12:28] <zus> ForgeAus, you're still here ...*wave
[12:29] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: well, he removed it already, no?
[12:30] <zus> Mamarok,  i have purged...and did sudo apt-get install .... short of going to the site and downloading it
[12:30] <Mamarok> zus: don't download from the mozilla site, use the Kubuntu sources
[12:30] <Mamarok> the released one should have google, else this is a bug
[12:30] <ForgeAus> in that case sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:30] <zus> Mamarok,  yeah they all gave me the same results
[12:30] <ForgeAus> anyway... Ig otta restart this X-server
[12:30] <Mamarok> but mine definitely uses Google, so maybe you have old settings lying around
[12:30] <ForgeAus> bbl
[12:30] <ForgeAus> btw hey zus :)
[12:31] <Mamarok> zus: move the .mozilla folder
[12:31] <zus> Mamarok,  that got deleted.. :0 it also began today and i havent used 10.4 before official release
[12:32] <zus> stragely enough my grub is still1.98.1 ubuntu5
[12:33] <Mamarok> zus: then check the Firefox settings
[12:33] <Mamarok> that is normal, grup2 is still in that numbering
[12:33] <Mamarok> grub2*
[12:34] <zus> ok, im used to seeing gub2 beta written over my os choices...id hate to reinstall the os.
[12:36] <Mamarok> well, 1,98 *is* beta
[12:36] <Mamarok> or maybe already RC
[12:36]  * Mamarok doesn't follow grub development that closely
[12:38] <zus> well, jusst in case i got a  ,mucked download, im redownloading it again,...least it aint like window where installing  updates will eat 24hours
[12:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its RC
[12:39] <shadeslayer> bbl
[12:40] <zus> Mamarok,  it began when my notifications were refusing uninvited ip address
[12:41] <zus> thanks again.
[12:41] <zus> i wont bother with the vlc/amorok ill reinstall  anyways
[12:43] <zus> btw can google chrome display bookmarks offline? like firefox  read it later add-on?
[12:48] <FinnArild> After updating Kubuntu my KDE crashes after login. Here's Xorg.0.log and kdm.log: http://pastebin.com/16yS1gi5
[12:49] <Peace-> FinnArild: first.... sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <Peace-> FinnArild: second... try to reNAME $HOME/.kde
[12:50] <FinnArild> kubuntu-desktop already installed.
[12:50] <FinnArild> already did the .kde renaming
[12:50] <eagles0513875> doesn anyone else experiencing alot of apps crashing when running them
[12:50] <FinnArild> but I can try again.
[12:50] <Peace-> eagles0513875: no
[12:50] <sheytan> Hi there
[12:50] <Peace-> FinnArild: no no
[12:50] <eagles0513875> Peace-: this makes no sense im on a clean install
[12:51] <Peace-> FinnArild: you probabily have updated and so video driver was upgraded too..
[12:51] <sheytan> my mouse wheel (right-left) doesn't work in lucid. Any ideas how to fix it?
[12:51] <Peace-> that should be the why
[12:51] <Peace-> eagles0513875: dunno man i am video editing :D
[12:51] <FinnArild> Peace-: hm - but the login screen looks good ...
[12:51] <Peace-> and it's working great
[12:51] <Peace-> FinnArild: mmm
[12:51] <eagles0513875> Peace-: O_o
[12:51] <Peace-> thinking
[12:51] <FinnArild> Peace-: which should be with the same video driver? or?
[12:52] <eagles0513875> for instance kubuntu wants me to install some extra stuff for amarok
[12:52] <FinnArild> Peace-: what about the ibus complaints in the log
[12:52] <eagles0513875> and as soon as i hit install the program crashes
[12:52] <FinnArild> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[12:52] <Peace-> FinnArild: before you had that problem ? i mean before was working ?
[12:52] <Peace-> without issues?
[12:53] <FinnArild> Peace-: before I upgraded to 10.04 everything ran fine
[12:53] <Peace-> FinnArild: you was on 9.10?
[12:53] <zus> sheytan,  i coulnt get my mouse wheel (left right tilt) working either but the back forward thumb buttons did...
[12:53] <FinnArild> Peace-: ... I am pretty sure I was, yes
[12:53] <Peace-> FinnArild: well i suggest to use a fressh new installation...
[12:53] <FinnArild> Peace-: eek
[12:53] <Peace-> FinnArild: less time ...
[12:54] <FinnArild> Peace-: this machine has no CD rom ...
[12:54] <Peace-> i mean 20 minutes and you get your system back...
[12:54] <Peace-> ok usb stick?
[12:54] <FinnArild> Peace-: yes ... will it keep my configurations then?
[12:54] <Peace-> FinnArild: if you have a /home and a /
[12:54] <Peace-> you can keep your settings...
[12:54] <FinnArild> I obviously have a / :)
[12:54] <Peace-> if you have only a /
[12:55] <Peace-> you will lost everything
[12:55] <FinnArild> no, no - there's /home too :)
[12:55] <sheytan> zus yeah, but i need my mouse get to work
[12:55]  * FinnArild <- not a complete beginner :)
[12:55] <Peace->  /home FinnArild is inn a different partition ?
[12:55] <FinnArild> Peace-: no, all on same partition
[12:55] <plush> heya... i am having problems with kubuntu. installed perfectly fine last night. everything worked. but now, it stopped booting. all i get is a blinking text cursor. no grub messages, no boot screen, no nothing. what gives?
[12:56] <Peace-> so.... you will lost everything witha new installation...
[12:56] <Peace-> plush: mmm sounds like a big problem you should investigate with a live cd
[12:56] <FinnArild> hm - ok. I'd rather fix the issue I have, then ... it's probably a simple fix .
[12:56] <plush> Peace-: netbook. no cd :(
[12:56] <Peace-> plush: seems you have lost grub
[12:56] <FinnArild> Peace-: what about uninstalling kde and re-installing it?
[12:56] <Peace-> plush: use usb stick then
[12:57] <Peace-> FinnArild: you can try but like i said before ... if was i i will erased my hd ...
[12:57] <plush> Peace-: yeah, will have to make a usb key. what's the kubuntu tool for that? last time around, i used windows to make the usb key.
[12:57] <Peace-> i have no time to understand what was messing up my system
[12:57] <Peace-> ;D
[12:57] <Peace-> expecially if i hav e upgraded ...
[12:57] <FinnArild> Peace-: ... hang on - a dude in #KDE had the same problem as I
[12:58] <plush> Peace-: after 15 minutes of blinking cursor, it just booted
[12:58] <James147> plush: usb-creator-kde  to make live usbs
[12:58] <Peace-> plush: main bar of kde ... search usb
[12:58] <plush> the first one to complain that it doesn't work was my mom this morning.
[12:58] <Peace-> plush: mmm kernel issue?
[12:58] <plush> she force-powered down the thing after 10 mins
[12:58] <plush> i had more patience
[12:58] <plush> let me see whether dmesg says anything obvious
[13:00] <plush> ok, here is the place where it hangs:
[13:00] <plush> after 6 seconds, i have sdb
[13:00] <zus> from now on first thing i install is virtual box and install kubuntu in that. lately for me its one thing after another
[13:00] <Peace-> sorry i finished my time
[13:00] <plush> a full 5 seconds later, i have ext4-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[13:00] <Peace-> bye
[13:00] <plush> another 212 seconds (!) later the boot continus
[13:01] <plush> *continues
[13:01] <plush> so for some reason, it hangs there fore four minutes, doing something with the file system
[13:03] <plush> ok, next reboot, now it's dead totally
[13:04] <plush> grub just gave up waiting for root device
[13:04] <vistakiller> i have create a new vote for final lucid impressions to kubuntu forum
[13:04] <eagles0513875> are there any issues with ext4 and hard drives over 2tb in regards to lockups
[13:04] <vistakiller> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111436.0
[13:04] <vistakiller> please vote now! :)
[13:05] <vistakiller> this is the vote we have done for rc and beta  there
[13:05] <vistakiller> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111181.0
[13:05] <vistakiller> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110659.0
[13:06] <kynarion> hi there
[13:06] <vistakiller> hi
[13:06] <FinnArild> syslog says: May  2 14:04:26 jeanluc kdm_greet[2362]: Cannot load /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/faces/.default.face: No such file or directory
[13:06] <FinnArild> ... could that be a problem?
[13:07] <FOAD> Hello.
[13:07] <FOAD> When I try to run krunner, I get the following:
[13:07] <FOAD> <unknown program name>(12760)/: Communication problem with  "krunner" , it probably crashed.
[13:07] <FOAD> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.LimitsExceeded" : " "The destination service "org.kde.krunner" has a full message queue" "
[13:07] <FOAD> What is this, and how do I fix it?
[13:07] <FloodBotK1> FOAD: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:07] <FOAD> Sure.
[13:11] <Peace-> FinnArild: you have a face stuff installed ?
[13:11] <Peace-> i mean some software that recognize your face to login ?
[13:11] <FinnArild> Peace-: nope
[13:11] <FinnArild> Peace-: does that even exist? wow!
[13:12] <Peace-> yes exist..
[13:12] <Peace-> but it's unstable
[13:13] <Peace-> FinnArild: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/459220
[13:13] <Peace-> FinnArild: you had oxygen theme before?
[13:13] <Peace-> *had you
[13:13] <Fleck> kubuntu 10.04 amd64bit xorg runs at 100% cpu usage, everything is slow, feels like P3 500Mhz PC with 128MB ram :( help, how can i debug this?
[13:14] <FinnArild> hm
[13:14] <FinnArild> Peace-: I think maybe
[13:14] <eagles0513875> Fleck: you sure its xorg
[13:14] <James147> Fleck: I would close all programs you might have open
[13:15] <FinnArild> strange though - when I do "apt-get remove kdebase" - it says it is not installed ...
[13:15] <Peace-> FinnArild: i have seen this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550992
[13:15] <FinnArild> should I try installing this?
[13:15] <Peace-> FinnArild: i am reading this and so there is a messing up because it's messing a file
[13:15] <Fleck> eagles0513875 well no :) i think some app is "talking" to xorg werry busy :P
[13:15] <Peace-> *seems*
[13:15] <Peace-> so...
[13:16] <Peace-> we should understand where get that file
[13:16] <Peace-> so basically we should install (reinstall ) some packages
[13:16] <kynarion> after (or better: while) upgrading from karmic to lucid i got a nasty error concerning the fglrx-driver (installation went somehow wrong). So i removed the fglrx driver manually and tried to reinstall it - each attempt to do the latter failed with various errors. It seems to me that ati drivers cause lots of trouble on lucid, but i couldn't find the ideal way to get rid of this problem. Do you?
[13:16] <James147> Fleck: Close all open applications and see if it impoves if not try disabling nepomuk (system settings > advanced > desktop search)
[13:17] <Fleck> i have nepomuk disabled
[13:17] <FinnArild> hm
[13:17] <FinnArild> Peace-: how would I go about installing the other lib from unstable like it says in the desc. there?
[13:17] <Peace-> FinnArild: see here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343012
[13:18] <Peace-> FinnArild: good luck :)
[13:18] <FinnArild> Peace-: thanks - lots of info there.
[13:19] <Liw-> hi everyone
[13:20] <Liw-> I'm having a hard time trying to configure my macbook2,1 right apple key to map the altgr key
[13:20] <Liw-> in lucid
[13:21] <Liw-> the previous solution i've used in karmic is not working
[13:21] <c3l> Im running two monitors, spread over one desktop. why doesnt the "multiple monitors" settings at display settings work?
[13:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys im on lucid 64bit on a clean install and trying to install extra functionality etc and the app crashes be it gdebi or otherwise
[13:21] <c3l> it tells me that I dont have 2 monitors to spread over one desktop
[13:21] <eagles0513875> this is a backtrace i got anyone have any idea
[13:22] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL
[13:22] <eagles0513875> c3l: do you have your video card driver installed from the repos
[13:22] <c3l> but when I set the two monitors beside each other, just like I want in the normal display settings it all works, until reboot - after that its reset and both screens are cloned
[13:22] <Liw-> what I did before was to add the line include "level3(rwin_switch)" to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/level3
[13:23] <Liw-> now it doesn't work :/
[13:23] <c3l> eagles0513875: if it didnt ge installed by default, I dont have it
[13:23] <Liw-> any idea?
[13:24] <Peace-> eagles0513875: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:24] <Peace-> that's all
[13:24] <eagles0513875> c3l: can you run a glxinfo | less and if it says direct rendering it was automatically installed
[13:24] <eagles0513875> Peace-: i have them already im updated and still all these apps crashing
[13:24] <eagles0513875> cant even update the repos i want to use
[13:26] <eagles0513875> seems like a bug with qt
[13:26] <eagles0513875> or something of that nature i dont quite understand the backtrace Peace-
[13:26] <Peace-> eagles0513875: you mean extra stuff like mp3 encoder and flash and etc etc?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> no
[13:26] <kynarion> does anybody know the correct way to install an ati-graphic-driver on lucid? I removed all old installations of fglrx now and could try again.
[13:27] <eagles0513875> Peace-: like using gdebi to install a package but it crashes immediatly
[13:27] <eagles0513875> or installing some extra dvd stuff for amarok
[13:27] <Peace-> eagles0513875: lol strange
[13:27] <eagles0513875> crashe
[13:27] <eagles0513875> s
[13:27] <eagles0513875> Peace-: its a bug in python 2.6 i believe
[13:27] <eagles0513875> as the dbg package i downloaded was for python 2.6
[13:27] <voicu> Hi, does anyone here have an nvidia multi monitor setup?
[13:27] <Peace-> eagles0513875: well but you install what you need via konsole
[13:27] <eagles0513875> yes
[13:27] <voicu> I need some help
[13:27] <eagles0513875> but skype isnt in the repos so i have no choice to use a .deb package
[13:27] <Peace-> !nvidia
[13:27] <kmcgraw> any idea why chromium browser hangs on Google search, Google mail web site (Firefox works however)?
[13:28] <eagles0513875> Peace-: how can i install skype with dpkg
[13:28] <voicu> Peace-: I have the driver installed, that is not the problem
[13:28] <Peace-> kmcgraw: i have seen gogoole chrome hangs too..
[13:28] <oxymoron>  Hi guys, how do I fix this? http://pastebin.com/Cs8zah5G
[13:28] <Peace-> voicu: in htat link you should read some information about driver setting soo multimonitor setting too
[13:29] <eagles0513875> nm Peace- i figured it out
[13:29] <Peace-> eagles0513875: dpkg -i pathofdebianpackage
[13:29] <Peace-> eagles0513875: of course with sudo before
[13:29] <eagles0513875> ya  :)
[13:29] <Peace-> xD
[13:29] <eagles0513875> thought i woudl try that but wanted to make sure
[13:29] <eagles0513875> its pissing off though that all this stuff is crashing
[13:30] <Peace-> voicu: if you read... infact in that link you can see this for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors
[13:31] <voicu> Peace-: itś not a problem with the driver, I set it up, it works. The problem is KDE not working properly with it
[13:31] <voicu> Peace-: sometimes it uses the whole desktop while other times it uses just one screen
[13:32] <voicu> for example, movies play in fullscreen on jsut one screen and I want it to go on both
[13:32] <Peace-> voicu: try to install like said here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors  sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[13:32] <kmcgraw> I can't change themes in Firefox. It seems stuck in mid change. After restart it still needs to restart.
[13:32] <voicu> I did that
[13:32] <Peace-> so i guess it's a driver issue
[13:33] <Peace-> + kde issues
[13:33] <Peace-> but i dunno how to fix it
[13:33] <voicu> itś kde issues
[13:33] <voicu> the driver works fine, movies play along both monitors
[13:33] <Peace-> systemsettings.... display?
[13:33] <Peace-> try here #kde too
[13:34] <voicu> yes, thatś the source of the problems, kde keeps seeing the desktop split onto 2 monitors but i want it to ´see´ just a big 2560x1024 screen
[13:34] <voicu> yeah, iĺl try #kde
[13:35] <kmcgraw> is there a command that will verify/fix the upgrade? I suspect my upgrade may not be correct.
[13:35] <eagles0513875> this is CENSORED
[13:35] <voicu> also, the keyboard layout is misbehaving
[13:35] <eagles0513875> basically i only have a very limited functioning desktop atm :(
[13:35] <voicu> i have a german keyboard i think but i set it as us layout
[13:36] <voicu> yet it still does some weird stuff like instead of "it's" it writes "itś"
[13:37] <c3l> I managed to hide the menu bar in the console, and it doesnt reappear from ctrl+m
[13:38] <c3l> how do I get it back
[13:38] <rmrfslash> Is there any way to prevent my laptop from catching on fire when I use the open source radeon (ati) driver? the laptop gets really hot and kill the battery really fast.
[13:38] <rmrfslash> Feels like the fan is pretty much always on.
[13:39] <rmrfslash> Anyone else experience this?
[13:39] <c3l> try using some energy saving settings. so that all the components isnt on full use all the time
[13:40] <FinnArild> 10.04 - is it currently a beta release?
[13:40] <rmrfslash> FinnArild: no, it's "final"
[13:40] <oxymoron> FinnArild: No, stable now. Look on www.ubuntu.com or www.kubuntu.org
[13:40] <FinnArild> hm
[13:40] <eagles0513875> FinnArild: been released
[13:40] <eagles0513875> !release
[13:40] <FinnArild> yes ... I did, but I looked at some wrong files.
[13:40] <eagles0513875> whoops not what i wanted
[13:40] <eagles0513875> !lucid | FinnArild
[13:41] <FinnArild> Now there is so many more people here - could you have a look at this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/16yS1gi5
[13:41] <FinnArild> My KDE crashes right after the login screen and presents me with the login screen again.
[13:41] <FinnArild> ... and there seems to be no traceback to be found anywhere!
[13:43] <c3l> how do i get back the menu in the console, ctrl+m doesnt work, all it does is skip a row inside the terminal
[13:44] <James147> FinnArild: Do you get an error message or does it just go stright back to login screen?
[13:44] <rmrfslash> c3l: I just went into Power Management... there's not much I can configure there that has to do w/ the graphics other than shutting off desktop effects under certain profiles which I did. This behavior I'm describing occurs no matter what profile I'm on. For example, right now I have the laptop plugged in and the fan just keeps going and going and going.
[13:44] <FinnArild> James147: straight back to login screen just as I had done a /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[13:44] <James147> c3l: right click konsole and yoiu should have the option (i thinkits shit+ctrl+m)
[13:44] <FinnArild> s/as I/as if I/
[13:45] <James147> FinnArild: first check the owner and premission of "~/.ICEauthority" make sure it isent owned by root
[13:45] <c3l> James147: hahah I tried all but a ordinary rightklick right on the console :$ thanks!
[13:46] <FinnArild> hm
[13:46] <FinnArild> James147: readable by user only
[13:46] <James147> FinnArild: and user is you?
[13:46] <FinnArild> James147: -rw------- 1 finn finn 0 2009-10-29 22:02 .ICEauthority
[13:46] <FinnArild> yes
[13:46] <James147> FinnArild: thats fine
[13:46] <c3l> rmrfslash: hmm, well maybe try with some other drivers, im not sure really
[13:46] <oxymoron> Can anyone help me please once and for all with my problem with OpenGL and Cairo Dock?
[13:47] <James147> FinnArild: second thing, try renaming ~/.kde  (~/.kdebackup  will do) and try again
[13:47] <rmrfslash> I feel like going to the catalyst/proprietary driver only makes things more unstable... unfortunately
[13:47] <FinnArild> James147: tried that 2-3 times - didn't work.
[13:47] <James147> FinnArild: dam :(
[13:47] <FinnArild> hm
[13:47] <FinnArild> James147: .rnd is owned by root only
[13:48] <FinnArild> and .ure
[13:48] <James147> FinnArild: third, try creating a new user (adduser) and see if ti works for them
[13:48] <plush> anyone got an idea what could cause a boot to take over 10 minutes, hanging like this? http://pastebin.com/SA4VPvhk
[13:48] <FinnArild> James147: already done :)
[13:48] <FinnArild> James147: crashes just the same way
[13:48] <James147> FinnArild: hmm thats not good :(
[13:49] <James147> FinnArild: try runbning "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install -f"
[13:50] <FinnArild> hm ... it actually does some stuff
[13:50] <FinnArild> James147: getting some gimp stuff right now ...
[13:51] <FinnArild> James147: also it installed some libkde stuff
[13:51] <James147> FinnArild: then it looks like an install or update was cancled 1/2way though
[13:51] <FinnArild> James147: it was, but I thought I had fixed that ...
[13:51] <James147> FinnArild: Guess you dident :) but should be after that command finished
[13:52] <FinnArild> James147: great - I'm hoping it works. Gonna go get some sun on the balcony now while this stuff gets installed :)
[13:55] <kynarion> back from reboot
[13:57] <vistakiller> anyone have problem with akregator rss renew time?
[13:57] <vistakiller> is stuck to one minute and i cant change it
[13:57] <kynarion> i tried to install the fglrx driver via System -> Hardware drivers. After reboot the fglrx driver appears there as "running", but: fglrxinfoX Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[13:57] <millun> hi, anyone made postgresl 8.4 work in an upgraded kubuntu?
[13:58] <millun> incomplete startup packet
[14:01] <_Wise_> hi *
[14:04] <_Wise_> is this the right place for a noob-that-spend-a-full-day-in-faqs-and-forums to ask a Kubuntu10.4/kde4/gtk question ?
[14:04] <vistakiller> yes
[14:04] <_Wise_> cool
[14:04] <FinnArild> James147: no luck. It crashes still - now somehow faster. Here's the logs I tail -f'd http://pastebin.com/z9LgaTkk
[14:06] <xrfang> is there any KDE application to use with scanners?
[14:06] <James147> FinnArild: hmm, try renaming .kde again and prey :D
[14:06] <FinnArild> James147: I did ... well - I'm an atheist, so I just removed .kde :)
[14:06] <_Wise_> my gtk applications (like Firefox) look uggly. While systems settings->GTK+ appearance seem to be ok
[14:07] <James147> FinnArild: i mean prey to your computer :)
[14:07] <_Wise_> xrfang : I use Skanlite
[14:07] <FinnArild> ah
[14:07] <xrfang> _Wise_: thank you I will search for it
[14:07] <FinnArild> James147: still no luck, though ...
[14:08] <user_> why my chat in facebook dosentwork
[14:08] <FinnArild> James147: I keep getting: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /tmp/2090817891/.config/ibus/bus - in the log. Could that be it?
[14:10] <James147> FinnArild: really not sure now, what i would do is rerun the prevoius command (just incase) then try deleting .kde again then try a new user again... if that fails I would reinstall but thats becase its easier to do that on my systems then try to actually firgure out whats wrong :)
[14:10] <_Wise_> What is the default Widget style in System Settings -> GTK+ Apprearance ? I think I busted my GTK config before upgrading to lucid...
[14:10] <FinnArild> James147: yes - I got the reinstall suggestion before today.
[14:11] <FinnArild> James147: no CD on this machine though, so I'd need to use a romstick
[14:11] <James147> FinnArild: then i take it that it is not an option? any reason why?
[14:11] <James147> FinnArild: romsitck? can you use usb flash sticks?
[14:11] <FinnArild> James147: well -firstly it would remove my setup ...
[14:11] <user_> why my chat in facebook dosentwork
[14:11] <FinnArild> FinnArild: usb-flash of course :)
[14:12] <user_> anyone
[14:12] <FinnArild> James147: but I guess I just should try that.
[14:12] <James147> user_: using what browser?
[14:12] <millun> how can i un-fuckup postgres in upgraded kubuntu 10.04?
[14:12] <FinnArild> James147: trying creating a new user for the last time :)
[14:12] <user_> mozilla
[14:13] <user_> ubuntu 7.04
[14:13] <James147> user_: 7.04... thats very old
[14:13] <user_> first time i use ubuntu
[14:14] <_Wise_> user_: and unsupported...
[14:14] <James147> user_: 7.04 has reached end of life and is no longer supported
[14:14] <FinnArild> James147: my new user "johan" also crashes kde, so I guess I'll go looking for a usb-stick.
[14:14] <James147> FinnArild: really not sure whats wrong :S
[14:14] <user_> well how ill get  a new one
[14:15] <user_> 10.04
[14:15] <James147> user_: you can download it from kubuntu.org
[14:15] <_Wise_> user_ : that's the last version
[14:15] <user_> i dunno
[14:16] <_Wise_> user_ : you don't know how to upgrade your 7.04 version to 10.4 ?
[14:16] <James147> user_: _Wise_if you do that you would have to upgrade through the other version one at a time
[14:17] <user_> no i dont know _Wise_
[14:17] <James147> user_: giving a higher change of somehting breaking... but it is doable (reinstall is easier and less likly to break)
[14:17] <user_> show me please how to reinstall
[14:17] <user_> to upgrade
[14:17] <James147> user_: either way I would suggest tessting a live cd (or usb) first to make sure it works
[14:18] <user_> aha ok
[14:18] <user_> usb
[14:18] <James147> user_: first you need to downlaod the iso from http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download  (assuming you want kubuntu and not ubuntu)
[14:19] <user_> yes
[14:19] <James147> user_: then use "usb-creator" to make a live usb (if you want to do it via usb) (note I am not sure if usb-creator is on 7.04, if not try unetbootin instead) or burn it to a cd
[14:20] <millun> is there a safe way to REINSTALL Postgres in kubuntu ?
[14:20] <FinnArild> James147: I don't find any links to the usb-install ...
[14:20] <user_> ill try that James147
[14:21] <James147> FinnArild: never seen one, you can use usb-cretor[-kde] or unetbootin to create a live usb from a cd iso
[14:21] <James147> FinnArild: usb-creator[-kde] sorry :)
[14:21] <FinnArild> James147: any windows or mac apps that can do the same? My only linux machine is down :)
[14:21] <James147> FinnArild: unetbootin then
[14:21] <user_> thx a lot
[14:21] <user_> bye
[14:23] <FinnArild> James147: unetbootin looks great, thanks :)
[14:24] <newbie3211> need help guys where do i ask?
[14:25] <James147> !help | newbie3211
[14:26] <newbie3211> new to irc as a matter of fact just logged in..i use ubuntu 9.10 today i downloaded kubuntu 10.04 lts i tried runnin the live cd but i get a blank screen after initial boot screen
[14:27] <_Wise_> I'm desperately looking for a kde4-gtk-qt-engine package in Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but can't find one.
[14:27] <James147> newbie3211: first thing to check is that the disk isnt bad (run the disk check from the inital boot screen (if you can get that far?))
[14:28] <James147> _Wise_: qtcurve i think is what you want to look for
[14:28] <newbie3211> @james147 i ran the disk check immediately after that.. the disc seems to be fine.no errors
[14:29] <_Wise_> James147: gtk2-engines-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for Gtk2 based apps <-- this one ?
[14:29] <James147> _Wise_: posibally, might also need the "qtcurve" package as well (havent tested it yet but that should be enough for you to play around with
[14:30] <_Wise_> James147: thx
[14:30] <newbie3211> james147 i downloaded the x386 version
[14:31] <James147> newbie3211: what graphics card do you have?
[14:31] <newbie3211> my laptop is a bit old..1.7 ghz 1 gb ram but no graphics card its plain intel gme
[14:31] <newbie3211> do i need a graphics card
[14:31] <newbie3211> ?
[14:31] <James147> newbie3211: no, intel cards work well
[14:32] <James147> newbie3211: or at least should do :S
[14:32] <newbie3211> even the login screen is not in full color..like only blue and not as appealing as shown in the kubuntu site..i mean its 16bit color
[14:33] <James147> newbie3211: mine went the save after i enabled the nvidia drivers :(
[14:33] <James147> newbie3211: when do you get the blank screen?
[14:34] <newbie3211> did u try the 10.04 kubuntu ??
[14:34] <rome> hi room
[14:34] <James147> newbie3211: running 10.04 now
[14:34] <rome> i am new to kubuntu
[14:34] <James147> !hi | rome
[14:34] <rome> thx!
[14:34] <newbie3211> after all the lights that run in the 16bit blue color thingy with kubuntu written above it the lights load and after disappearing the screen goes blank in two minutes
[14:35] <Athunye> Hello.
[14:35] <rome> i really like how easy it all works in kubuntu
[14:35] <Athunye> What is the difference between the cd and the dvd iso?
[14:35] <newbie3211> oh i really want to try the kubuntu..looks visually very attractive
[14:35] <newbie3211> using karmic koala now
[14:35] <rome> newbie3211 this is kde4
[14:36] <James147> Athunye: the dvd contains extra packages that you can install from... its only really eneded if you ahve a mechiene that cant access or has very slow acces to the internet
[14:36] <newbie3211> umm rome i didn't understand pls help
[14:36] <newbie3211> :(
[14:36] <Athunye> James147: Okay. Thanks a lot. I'll get the cd then. :)
[14:37] <James147> newbie3211: not entirly sure whats wrong, you might want to check the forums for more information (searching your graphics card might help)
[14:37] <rome> newbie3211 ubuntu works with gnoe, kubuntu with kde, this is just another visual environment
[14:37] <rome> gnome
[14:37] <Athunye> Will kubuntu someday have a native firewall configuration tool?
[14:38]  * marc-andre is looking after the alternatives to kubuntu in virtualbox...
[14:38] <James147> Athunye: ufw for easier command line editing of the firewall
[14:38] <newbie3211> yes that i know bout the kde and gnome environment...i want to shift to kde..i like the visually appeaning gui
[14:39] <Athunye> James147: Instead of ufw, I really prefer iptables. (just my opinion). Since kubuntu is not a command line *only* system, a firewall gui would be nice.
[14:39] <rome> as i have learned, kde is better programmed than gnome
[14:39] <James147> newbie3211: you can install "kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu to install kde along side gnome
[14:40] <newbie3211> oh like sudo apt get kubuntu?is the command like this?
[14:40] <James147> rome: that entirly depends on your opinion, gnome apps tend to run slightly faster then kde ones but i have found the kde/qt api very nice to use
[14:41] <Tm_T> newbie3211: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" yes
[14:41] <newbie3211> will i be able to install with ubuntu 9.10 tm_t??
[14:41] <James147> newbie3211: "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"  (you can replacve aptitude with apt-get if you want)
[14:41] <rome> can anyone help me plz? i still have some minor issues with kubuntu 10.4 after boot
[14:41] <Athunye> James147: I've used archlinux and gentoo, and for those distributions, I think firewall through command line makes sense. For Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Mandriva etc, I think a gui makes more sence.
[14:41] <Tm_T> newbie3211: yes
[14:42] <marc-andre> hmmm, i'm with kubuntu since 6.04, but now Gnome seems more interesting to me...
[14:42] <_Wise_> Athunye: I remember a tool called fwbuilder in the past, as far as I remember, it could generate iptables rules
[14:42] <James147> Athunye: I think there might be a gui app, although it might be in kde-apps.org
[14:42] <newbie3211> what is the plasma environment ?
[14:43] <James147> Athunye: kubuntu dosnt have a firewall enabled by default and I dont think that many ppl actuall use it (most are behind router firewalls anyway) but you if you dont find one you could try posting a suggestion
[14:43] <abhifx> some help me please. synaptic is not working
[14:43] <Athunye> James147: Anyway, kubuntu is great!
[14:44] <rome> how can i disable the bluetooth program to start after boot and how can i make my bootscreen look nicer? i think it switches too1600x1200x32 in the login-screen but earlier it looks like 320x200x8
[14:44] <marc-andre> abhifx: use kpaketmanager
[14:44] <marc-andre> rome: do you use proprietary ATI driver ?
[14:44] <Athunye> James147: I say that becuase, I don't expect, say, my wife to learn ufw/iptables command line to set up a firewall although I myself love command line.
[14:44] <rome> proprietery nvidia driver
[14:44] <abhifx> marc-andre, the problem is more deeper.. kpackagemanager will not work too
[14:44] <rome> do i need to edit xorg.conf?
[14:45] <Tm_T> abhifx: how it doesn't work?
[14:45] <marc-andre> abhifx: then apt-get ?
[14:45] <newbie3211> guys  thanks a lot..will try installing and see if it still works..will i get the plasma desktop in the apt-get kubuntu desktop?
[14:45] <abhifx> marc-andre, shall i tell you in detail? if you are willing to help me
[14:45] <marc-andre> rome: i heard about problems with the bootscreen and proprietary drivers
[14:45] <marc-andre> abhifx: we could try
[14:46] <James147> Athunye: its not really a consern on desktop computers (most are connected to a router with an inbuilt firewall nowa days) although laptops connecting to wireless are another matter. You can file a suggestion to kubuntu if you feel like it should be changed
[14:46] <abhifx> marc-andre, thx . it tells me to do this.. sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:46] <rome> marc-andre do you know how to fix them? is there an option for xorg.conf to start before login-screen?
[14:46] <marc-andre> abhifx: did you do it ?
[14:46] <marc-andre> rome: no idea, sorry, i never pay attention to the boot screen :D
[14:46] <abhifx> marc-andre, but this does not fix the problem, here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/2efK858T
[14:47] <rome> marc-andre thx, as i said, this is only a minor issue
[14:47] <Athunye> James147: Okay. Thanks for your time and your kind words. I'll think about whether I really should file a suggestion or not.
[14:47] <James147> newbie3211: you will get kde with kubuntu-desktop (kde includes plasma) you will need to select the session you want to start from the login screen after its installed (you will be able to choose kde or gnome)
[14:48] <marc-andre> abhifx: ok, another plymouth problem... did you try "sudo apt-get install -f" to see if there're any missing pakages ?
[14:49] <abhifx> marc-andre, it doesnt work. same error. dpkg was interuupted. type the command....
[14:50] <newbie3211> guys jus one more thing..i tried installing kubuntu 10.04 also but the problem stayed the same..after the loadup screen my screen went blank same as happend in live cd testing..
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:51] <rome> newbie3211 what is you pc/graphiccard?
[14:52] <marc-andre> abhifx: try "apt-get install --reinstall plymouth"
[14:52] <Liw-> hi
[14:52] <rome> newbie3211 it wont work on very old computers
[14:52] <Tm_T> rome: whatwont work?
[14:52] <rome> kubuntu on e.g. pentium2
[14:52] <Tm_T> rome: ...it does
[14:53] <abhifx> marc-andre, same error.. i cant use apt-get or dpkg command anymore
[14:53] <marc-andre> abhifx: restart your pc
[14:53] <rome> Tm_T i have tried it on a P2 and it didn't
[14:53] <Liw-> does anyone know if kubuntu lucid still uses xkb rules?
[14:54] <abhifx> marc-andre, ok. hey man, thanks a lot
[14:54] <marc-andre> abhifx: sorry that i can't help
[14:54] <rome> Tm_T maybe this was because of kde i don't know
[14:55] <abhifx> marc-andre, thats ok. i am glad you tried to help me
[14:55] <abhifx> :)
[14:56] <samwei2008> KSKSK
[14:56] <James147> abhifx: what error do you get when you try to run the commands?
[14:56] <rome> i want to help too
[14:56] <omer> hi
[14:56] <rome> hi omer
[14:56] <rome> !hi | omer
[14:56] <abhifx> James147, i have a pastebin http://pastebin.com/2efK858T
[14:57] <cmptr> hi,people..
[14:57] <Guest7107> hüso
[14:57] <Guest7107> dalarım sana
[14:57] <marc-andre> abhifx: just a question, did you upgrade to 10.04 or did you a complete reinstall ?
[14:57] <James147> abhifx: what error from running "sudo aptitude install -f"?
[14:58] <abhifx> marc-andre, upgrade... and its not complete yet
[14:58] <Guest7107> sorry
[14:58]  * marc-andre never does upgrades, those are to fragile...
[14:58]  * James147 agrees with marc-andre
[14:59] <marc-andre> *highfive* James147
[14:59] <rome> hrhrhr
[14:59] <abhifx> James147, thats dpkg was intrupted... manually solve the problem by typing command...
[14:59] <Athunye> Hmm. I did twice or thrice without problems...
[14:59] <rome> abhifx do you have a deb package for your synaptic?
[15:00] <abhifx> rome, no.. but i can download it. problem is.. it wont get intalled
[15:00] <rome> abhifx can you install other packages?
[15:01] <emin_> de
[15:01] <abhifx> rome no
[15:01] <rome> wiith the gui package manager
[15:01] <abhifx> o crap... electricity is gone... oh no
[15:01] <James147> abhifx: try "sudo dpkg --configure --pending"
[15:02] <rome> James147 why should he do it with the console?
[15:02] <abhifx> James147, the problem lies somewhere else
[15:02] <James147> rome: because something is broken and gui cannot fix it
[15:03] <abhifx> James147, it tries to update initramfs, and that is not happening
[15:03] <rome> James147 have you figured out what's broken?
[15:03] <James147> abhifx: have found --pending worked for me when -a failed before
[15:03] <abhifx> jacquesdupontd, thanls for trying... my ups is going to dye
[15:03] <abhifx> rome, thanks man
[15:04] <abhifx> dye=die
[15:04] <James147> abhifx: beyond that the only thing i can think of is to try a chroot from a live cd but I dont know if that will do anything to help
[15:05] <rome> maybe you need to set up a ramdisk, i don't know, but if, look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182764
[15:05] <chocolate> I m unable 2 use nepomuk search service.. where to search 4 d files, i have completed d indexing part
[15:06] <rome> chocolate try "find / -name yourfilename" or "find / | grep yourfilename"
[15:06] <James147> rome: that has nothing to do with nepomuk
[15:07] <chocolate> I want to know how to get the search box for it on my desktop
[15:07] <rome> James147 but so he can look for files at least
[15:07] <James147> chocolate: havent see nepomuk find anything yet, although i havent tryed it with lucid yet
[15:07] <chocolate> i have updated to 10.04 distro
[15:08] <James147> chocolate: actuall just tryed it and it worked :S
[15:08] <BluesKaj> chocolate to check whether an application is installed 'aptitude show nameofapplication | grep State'
[15:08] <rome> does anyone now how i can stop the bluetooth manager to start after boot?
[15:09] <chocolate> It is running in my task manager tray rite now and has completed d indexing which has taken hours
[15:09] <chocolate> now where to search for file strings i d k
[15:10] <James147> chocolate: there is a search text box in dolphin that uses nepomuk
[15:10] <chocolate> does that box uses nepomuk itself ?
[15:10] <chocolate> :)
[15:10] <chocolate> let me check
[15:11] <chocolate> thx its working
[15:12] <chocolate> Is their any search service or widget which active searching like its searching and giving me results before i press enter????
[15:12] <hceylan> Hi our class of 6 new ubuntu users here and would like to say hello.... :)
[15:12] <ali__> hello
[15:12] <omer> hello
[15:12] <yakup> hello
[15:12] <rome> chocolate there is no such thing
[15:12] <chocolate> hello
[15:12] <emin_> hello
[15:12] <cmptr> hi. people
[15:12] <mrt12> hello:))
[15:13] <chocolate> k thx
[15:13] <rome> chocolate you mean something like goole search?
[15:13] <James147> chocolate: I think krunner can do that
[15:13] <marc-andre> hceylan: hiho
[15:14] <chocolate> like we search something in windows 7 and it gives search results upto the alphabets u type widout pressing enter..
[15:15] <James147> chocolate: krunner has a nepomuk search feature not sure how well it works though (might need to enable it through krunner settings (alt +f2 to open krunner and click the spanner icon to get the settings))
[15:15] <mrt12> omer:hello
[15:15] <rome> chocolate this need a lot of indexing
[15:15] <James147> rome: he has already done the indexing
[15:16] <James147> chocolate: be warned though, in karmic i found the krunner nepomuk search feature caused krunner to hang occasitionly, not sure how it is in lucd yet though
[15:16] <rome> James147 sorry for not paying attention and confusion
[15:17] <yakup>  Is there any readliy available tool in ubuntu repo to search for bad sectors in the hard drive
[15:17] <James147> yakup: fsck i think can do that (command line util installed by default) dont run it on a mounted partition
[15:17] <chocolate> u were rite ! its working but krunner crashed while searching :D
[15:18] <ljl> yakup: "badblocks"
[15:18] <rome> yakup fsck will do so
[15:18] <ljl> rome: will it?
[15:18] <James147> chocolate: your going to have to wait for it to become more stable then... nepomuk is still in its infincy
[15:18] <rome> ljl "man fsck"
[15:19] <yakup> James147: rome: thx
[15:19] <ljl> rome: doesn't contain the word "bad", "blocks" or "clusters".
[15:19] <chocolate> Is short i will have to wait ? and thats it !
[15:19] <ljl> rome: what should i be looking for?
[15:19] <James147> yakup: badblocks looks more like what you want though
[15:19] <ljl> rome: also, why does 'badblocks' exist if 'fsck' already does it?
[15:20] <rome> ljl badblocks only searches for bad blocks, fsck tries to fixes them
[15:20] <James147> chocolate: kde4 is a complete rewrite so is evelving quite fast, nepomuk has only recently become usable so some things will still need improvment
[15:21] <Tm_T> oh noes it's ljl
[15:21] <James147> chocolate: although kde4 has been out for a few years its still very young :)
[15:21] <ljl> rome: you can't fix bad blocks.
[15:21] <ljl> bad blocks are a hardware issue
[15:22] <apparle> hi guys
[15:22] <hceylan> the idea is to 'search for' bad sectors
[15:22] <chocolate> its working is simple searches which have fewer results
[15:22] <hceylan> not to fix it I guess
[15:22] <James147> apparle: hey
[15:22] <rome> ljl i cannot prove this
[15:22] <pookito> dudes, I just want to know if the new version of kubuntu is having any problems with ubuntuone?  because I think I have install all the packages needed and still it does not work
[15:23] <apparle> James147: so found any shortcut to switch tabs :D
[15:23] <James147> apparle: not yet, i got distracted by things :D
[15:24] <rome> ljl so you want to know if your hard disk drive is damaged? then try to bootcd with a checking utility from your ha<rd disk vendor
[15:24] <James147> apparle: and when i click on the tabs other then the first one the window disapears
[15:25] <Daskreech> Hello
[15:25] <Daskreech> Can someone tell me how to disable the printer services when KDE starts up?
[15:25] <rome> !hi Daskreech
[15:25] <ljl> rome: *i* don't want to know anything. scroll up, yakup asked for a readily available tool to search for bad sectors. that is "badblocks".
[15:25] <eagles0513875> hey Daskreech
[15:25] <Daskreech> hi eagles0513875
[15:25] <eagles0513875> anyone try ext4 on a 2tb hdd
[15:25] <eagles0513875> cuz im having programs crash left right and center when i try to run them
[15:25]  * James147 wishes he had a 2tb driver to try it on
[15:25] <eagles0513875> be it gdebi or the package installer
[15:25] <rome> ljl ahh ok
[15:26] <eagles0513875> James147: you wont if you were in my shoes
[15:26] <apparle> eagles0513875: why... does the size matter for ext4?
[15:26] <rome> this is so confusing ... :P
[15:26] <rome> apparle size doen't matter at all :P
[15:26] <eagles0513875> apparle: ext4 is supposed to handle drives over 1tb but im starting to think that ext4 on a 2tb hdd might be the issue
[15:26] <Daskreech> Or bluetooth. WHy does bluettoth start when i have no BT hardware
[15:27] <rome> Daskreech i want to know this too
[15:27] <Daskreech> eagles0513875: It's been tested on multiterrabyte drive detups
[15:27] <Daskreech> setups
[15:27] <c3l> shortcuts for applications isnt working. ive set meta+e as shortcut key for dolphin, but when klicking it, nothing happens
[15:27] <James147> rome: it can, when you get up to tb size you can start to encounter problems due to the vast number of address you need for the disk.... I dont know how ext handles large disks though
[15:28] <rome> James147 yeah, this is limited by your bios
[15:29] <James147> rome: no, it its limited by the filesystem
[15:29] <James147> rome: eg fat32 cant handle large drives at all
[15:29] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: ok :) do you have any idea why python 2.6 keeps seg faulting for me http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL
[15:29] <eagles0513875> James147: neither can ext3 to a degree
[15:30] <Daskreech> James147: It's limited by your BIOS
[15:30] <rome> James147 agreed
[15:30] <James147> c3l: not sure about the shutcuts set in kmenuedit, but jsut testing the inputactiosn and that works (System settings > input actions)
[15:30] <James147> Daskreech: but much less so then the filesystem right?
[15:31] <rome> *bb*
[15:31] <c3l> James147: oh thats great, thanks for that!
[15:31] <Daskreech> James147: Dependent on how you have it setup but it's still a factor that needs to be checked
[15:33] <FinnArild> ... 10.04 is that the first with kde4?
[15:33] <James147> FinnArild: no, 9.10 had it by default as well
[15:33] <FinnArild> ok
[15:33] <FinnArild> James147: reinstall looking good btw
[15:33] <James147> FinnArild: I think 8.04 was the first to unofically have it
[15:33] <apparle> FinnArild: no 8.10 was official to have it
[15:33] <Matisse> hi
[15:33] <James147> apparle: ^^ as i said, unoffical
[15:34] <_Wise_> James147: I solved my KDE/GTK/qtcurve issue with this package : gtk-chtheme. Thanks for you support
[15:34] <apparle> James147: I said that coz you said 9.10 had it by default which may imply that it was the first version to officially have it.. :D
[15:34] <James147> apparle: think it was 8.04 that had kde3.5 with community supported 4 at lease, but i could be wrong on that :) its been so long since i used either
[15:35] <James147> apparle: was jsut saying that the last version defentlly had it :)
[15:35] <eagles0513875> any ubuntu python gurus in here
[15:36] <FinnArild> James147: but now I have the same bluetooth problems I had 6 months ago - my mouse get's detected, trusted and then just disconnects
[15:36] <FinnArild> and is not trusted ...
[15:36] <Matisse> if i mount my extra harddrive as rw the files and directories is the uppest directory ( /media/mountpoint/ ) are readonly, while the files in directories ( /media/mountpoint/abc/ ) are editable... whats wrong there?
[15:36] <James147> FinnArild: not used bluetooth devices so i am not sure
[15:36] <abdlhafiz> sup guyz
[15:37] <James147> Matisse: are they editable by root? might just be a premissions error
[15:39] <Matisse> James147, i'll have a look
[15:39] <rome> James147 r u an official supporter?
[15:39] <James147> rome: nop, i just have nothing better to do... well thats a lie i should be doing coursework
[15:40] <rome> James147 welcome to my club, me too
[15:40] <FinnArild> James147: nm - seems I managed to install them. Doing a reboot to test ...
[15:40] <Matisse> James147, editable by root, yes
[15:40] <FinnArild> It's a pity the bootloader can't use USB
[15:41] <FinnArild> s/USB/Bluetooth/
[15:41] <James147> Matisse: not sure of the best way to fix it... chown  or chmod ing the mounted directory should work but might raise some securitery conserns
[15:42] <FinnArild> What's the best Spotify client? QSpotify?
[15:42] <James147> !best | FinnArild
[15:43] <Matisse> James147, i see. the not editable are owned by root. thx for help
[15:44] <FinnArild> meh
[15:44] <James147> Matisse: there might be a better way then chown/chmoding but I am not sure of one
[15:44] <James147> Matisse: mount might be able to do it but you will have to look it up
[15:45] <FinnArild> "We don't want to call any which application the "Best" since we don't want to offend anyone who may or not be crappy programmers or UI designers."
[15:45] <rome> Matisse "chmod xyz" x=owner(4) y=group(2) z=all(1)
[15:45] <James147> FinnArild: dont know of any Spotify clients but you should be able to find a few and try them out, settle on the one you like the best
[15:45] <FinnArild> But - since I have worked in Trolltech for 10 years I better use the Qt based one :)
[15:46] <James147> FinnArild: its not that but more that often people have different veiws on what is the best application, eg gnome and kde different ppl prefure different ones...
[15:46] <Matisse> rome, i'll do chown
[15:46] <rome> James147 isn't gnoe a big hairy object?
[15:46] <FinnArild> James147: yes - I should have put a *tongue-in-cheek* after that one
[15:47] <rome> gnome
[15:47] <James147> rome: its a personal matter i prefure kde, but then so do more the poeple in the channel (or they would be in ubuntu :) )
[15:48] <rome> James147 do you know the word "big hairy object" for very large classes in a oopl
[15:49] <James147> rome: I think gnome is mostly writted in c, so I dont think it has many calsses :)
[15:49] <rome> and kde?
[15:49] <rome> c++?
[15:49] <James147> rome: kde is c++ yes
[15:50] <FinnArild> is gnome actually still c ?
[15:50] <James147> FinnArild: As far as I know, but I could be wrong
[15:50] <FinnArild> welcome to 1980 ...
[15:50] <eagles0513875> anyone able to help me figure out why i have programs crashign from gdebi to package installer  and others? http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL
[15:51] <UbuntuLily> Is part image the best way to make a full image backup of HD?
[15:52] <apparle> what is the replacement to dcop now
[15:52] <apparle> I mean how to access dbus in scripts
[15:53] <UbuntuLily> Can you Mount an image created in ParttImage?
[15:54] <Torch> apparle: with qdbus
[15:54] <apparle> Torch: do you have any link to tutorial
[15:55] <Torch> apparle: google is your friend
[15:55] <saintly> my synopsis of Kubuntu 10.04: To get it just right, use fresh install! netbook edition is not recommended at least not by me. Please, PLEASE dont just upgrade, if you can help it.
[15:55] <saintly> my Lucid has NO issues now :)
[15:55] <slow-motion> hi
[15:55] <eagles0513875> saintly: im on clean instally yet i have issues with some gui apps
[15:55] <eagles0513875> like gdebi etc
[15:56] <rome> saintly mine either except of some minor
[15:56] <eagles0513875> and others same issue and this back trace http://pastebin.com/3nsCzwYL saintly
[15:56] <Matisse> James147, sudo chown -R username\:users /media/mountpoint/   did work fine
[15:56] <Torch> UbuntuLily: if partimage just write the content of a partition/file system to a file, you can mount that. if it compresses the image or leaves out unused sectors, you cannot mount it. i wouldn't be surprised if partimage had options to set this.
[15:56] <saintly> eagles05138: one sec, ill look into it
[15:56] <saintly> rome: what minor issues are you havin?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> ty saintly
[15:57] <rome> saintly my bootscreen-resolution suxx and i don't know how to deactivate the bluetooth problem at startup
[15:57] <saintly> rome: do you need bluetooth?
[15:57] <rome> bluetooth program
[15:58] <rome> no, i don't even have it in my pc
[15:58] <rome> saintly, do you know, how to deactivate it?
[15:58] <eagles0513875> saintly: just highlight me when you migiht have an idea
[15:58] <saintly> rome: sudo aptitude-get uninstall bluetooth.
[15:58] <saintly> easiest way to shut things down
[15:59] <rome> saintly ahh ok thx!
[15:59] <saintly> eagles05138: will do man lookin thru it now.
[16:00] <saintly> hmm
[16:00] <saintly> !gui
[16:01] <James147> saintly: aptitude-get is not an application, apt-get or aptitude are :)
[16:01] <saintly> oopss hehe
[16:02] <rome> i did it with the KPackageKit
[16:02] <saintly> keep screwin tht up lol, did the same thing the other day.
[16:02] <saintly> rome: as for your choppy bootscreen...
[16:03] <saintly> is it the Kubuntu one with five light under neath?
[16:03] <eagles0513875> saintly: btw you missing the 5 on the end of my nick eagles0513875 hehe
[16:03] <James147> eagles0513875: hehe :)
[16:03] <rome> saintly yes, but the screen resolution is at most 320x200x8 and it isn't even wholly on the screen. looks like no drivers under windos :P
[16:03] <saintly> Eagles0513875: there we go lol. had to drag my seperator bar over to see the rest.
[16:04] <rome> saintly loginin-screen is in 1600x1200x32 again, just as it should
[16:04] <UbuntuLily> Torch: Is tthere a better way to image that can mount without any problems?
[16:04] <James147> saintly: if your using quassel then you can use tab completion on names
[16:04] <James147> saintly: alot of other clients also do that
[16:05] <DarthFrog> Konversation also has tab name complete.
[16:05] <saintly> james147: didnt know that, how do i do that?
[16:05] <James147> saintly: just type part of the name then hit tab
[16:05] <saintly> aha got it.
[16:05] <saintly> James147: :)
[16:05] <James147> saintly: hit it again if there are multiple names with the same start
[16:05] <rome> thx i've just learned something
[16:06] <saintly> lol me too.
[16:06] <DarthFrog> By the way, tab completion also works at the bash command prompt.
[16:06] <rome> DarthFrog: man history
[16:06] <Torch> UbuntuLily: if you just want to create an image of a partition, you can use dd from the shell.
[16:06] <James147> saintly: it saves a lot of key strokes and remember how to spell everyone name :D
[16:07] <DarthFrog> rome: history is different.  Useful but different.
[16:07] <saintly> James147: right lol. i like it already!
[16:07] <Torch> UbuntuLily: or kde partition manager if you want a gui.
[16:07] <James147> DarthFrog: yeah, very very useful :D dont you have it when an applcation dosnt have it :)
[16:07] <rome> DarthFrog: this is history beneath that completion
[16:07] <saintly> alright rome so your sayin that your screen resolution for the login screen is out of whack?
[16:08] <DarthFrog> Bash tab completion fills in the program/file name for you.
[16:08] <James147> DarthFrog: as well as arguments on some programs
[16:08] <rome> saintly: notthe login screen, this is ok, but the boot screen is damaged
[16:08] <DarthFrog> Yep.
[16:08] <rome> saintly: i have proprietary nvidia 96 drivers
[16:09] <rome> saintly: do i need to edit my xorg.conf?
[16:09] <saintly> rome: :D ouch.
[16:09] <saintly> rome: hmm so it wont fit into the screen?
[16:09] <reza> rome: I have the same problem ever since I installed the nvidia driver
[16:09] <reza> I'm not too concerned about it
[16:10] <rome> saintly: my current desktop is AMD Athlon XP 1800+ Palomino, 1,5GB SDRAM, 300GB HDD, nvidia GF 4 Ti 4200 64MB
[16:10] <James147> reza: rome: same problem here, although its not a major consern atm
[16:10] <eagles0513875> saintly: :( this is only getting worse :(
[16:10] <saintly> nice Harddrive
[16:10] <eagles0513875> and im bout to say the hell with it and go back to win 7
[16:10] <reza> yeah, it's just a visual oddity
[16:10] <rome> eagles0513875: whats you problem?
[16:10] <saintly> eagles0513875: have you tried unistalling and reinstalling?
[16:11] <saintly> hes got gui app issues
[16:11] <saintly> !gui
[16:11] <eagles0513875> kates not loading at all via commandline its telling me segementation fault
[16:11] <rome> eagles0513875: gui app issues are no problem :)
[16:11] <DarthFrog> eagles0513875: Use vi.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[16:11] <eagles0513875> rome: its frustrating i have never experienced this before
[16:11] <saintly> reinstall kate. lol
[16:12] <eagles0513875> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5210 package 'apt':
[16:12] <eagles0513875>  `instadl ok installed' is not allowed for first (want) word in `status' field
[16:12] <saintly> LOL DarthFrog
[16:12] <eagles0513875> getting that now :( trying to unclock apt so i can try purge kate and reinstall
[16:12] <DarthFrog> <- loves vi.
[16:12] <alab> hi all, i experience weird problems with kubuntu's 10.4 network manager and wireless connection – the applet states my laptop is connected, the router log states it is connected – _but_ i a not able to ping any IP neither the router nor any domain names will get resolved
[16:12]  * _Wise_ is a vi fan
[16:12] <saintly> alab: whats your wireless card?
[16:13]  * saintly sez "vi FTW"
[16:13] <eagles0513875> how do you do a find on vi
[16:13] <rome> eagles0513875: have you tried reinstalling?
[16:13]  * James147 loves vi as well and likes the fact kate can also have vi input mode :)
[16:13] <saintly> wooot
[16:13] <Torch> eagles0513875: with /
[16:13] <alab> it's a fujitsu siemens esprimo v5505 the driver in use is iwl3945
[16:13] <eagles0513875> rome: i have apt backed up right now tryign to fix somethign else
[16:13] <Torch> eagles0513875: do you have a backtrace of kate crashing?
[16:13] <rome> eagles0513875: cat filename | grep yoursearch
[16:14] <UbuntuLily> Right now I am running Gnome (Ubuntu) in 9.10, I am trying to image my hard drive before i upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04 but need to be able to get files off of it after I do fresh install and am trying to figure out the best waay to accomplish this
[16:14] <eagles0513875> Torch: no i dont as im trying to run it form commandline
[16:14] <eagles0513875> but i bet i could get one in a heart beat
[16:14] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have an external hard drive you could use to backup your current install?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> lol Torch no backtrace its telling me KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kate
[16:14] <saintly> UbuntuLily: so you wanna keep ur files and what not?
[16:15] <alab> saintly :) [17:13:34] <alab> it's a fujitsu siemens esprimo v5505 the driver in use is iwl3945
[16:15] <saintly> UbuntuLily: use the Ubuntu One. its a cloud drive
[16:15] <UbuntuLily> Yes I want to keep my files.  I have an external HD I was going to image to
[16:15] <UbuntuLily> I have about 200GB
[16:15] <saintly> hmm.
[16:15] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Are you talking about files in your home directory?  Only files there?
[16:15] <eagles0513875> Torch: how can i unblock apt im using sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a but its complaining about those 2 lines i pasted above
[16:16] <UbuntuLily> I would prefer to image the entire partition that way if somethign goes horribly wrong I can always roll back
[16:16] <saintly> alab: and do you know if that wifi card is supported?
[16:16] <eagles0513875> DarthFrog: wouldnt dd do the trick for what shes doing
[16:16] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes, good idea.  But the files you want to recover, are they all in your home directory?
[16:16] <DarthFrog> eagles0513875: Not needed.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:17] <alab> saintly: it was working with 8.10 and wicd
[16:17] <Torch> eagles0513875: that error message suggests something is terribly broken
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Torch:  :(
[16:17] <UbuntuLily> I am a recent convert from Windows.  Whenever I would upgrade I would image my hard drive using Acronis.  Than I would instlal my new os, than I would mount acronis image and copy my files back than ultimately delete the image
[16:17] <saintly> James147: how do you determine if a wirelss card is supported again?
[16:17] <eagles0513875> i think using a bootable usb it was having some trouble copying some files :(
[16:17] <James147> saintly: google it?
[16:17] <UbuntuLily> I am looking for a way to do this in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[16:17] <macdo> My network manager applet tells me that there is no managed connection - and I do not have any access to the network (Cable unplugged icon). No hardware problem: I'm typing now from a live CD on the same system. Any ideas?
[16:17] <saintly> alab:  mine is broadcom, was supported in 9.10 but went to proprietary in 10.04
[16:17] <eagles0513875> Torch: what do you recommend when it popped up the abort retry i hit retry and it copied them
[16:17] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, if you want to do it that way, you can.
[16:18] <Torch> eagles0513875: i don't understand the question
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: as eagles0513875 pointed out, you can use "dd".
[16:18] <eagles0513875> Torch: what do you recommend reinstalling even though this a clean install already
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: But that's not the way I'd do it.
[16:18] <UbuntuLily> And I will be able to mount that?
[16:18] <saintly> macdo: look up Hardware drivers in "alt+f2
[16:18] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes.
[16:18] <alab> saintly bad news, k will search for thwe wifi module then, it is Intel Corp 3945AGB
[16:19] <Torch> eagles0513875: if you have broken entries in /var/lib/dpkg/status your system is really broken, i think
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> You would suggest what?  Just backing up my Home folder?
[16:19] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have a partition/hard drive with enough space to hold your current system?
[16:19] <saintly> alab: its proprietary right?
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> Ya, got a 2 TB removable disk
[16:19] <eagles0513875> saintly: any suggestions on what i should do :(
[16:19] <UbuntuLily> USB Hard drive rather
[16:19] <saintly> eagles0513875: whats ur issue?
[16:20] <eagles0513875> what i linked u earlier
[16:20] <saintly> UbuntuLily: WOW what a disk..
[16:20] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, I'd copy over the entire current installation to that removable drive, make it bootable.
[16:20] <alab> saintly: just found a link this moment, had not installed something proprietary i guess, but its been a while and way working all the years
[16:20] <eagles0513875> and besides that i was trying to install kdevelop and now basically im locked out of apt
[16:20] <alab> s/y/s
[16:20] <eagles0513875> saintly:
[16:20] <eagles0513875> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:20] <UbuntuLily> ;) Technology.  I remember paying $100 for a used 50MB hard drive
[16:20] <eagles0513875> not that
[16:20] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Then if the new install screws up, you still have your current install working.
[16:20] <eagles0513875> saintly:
[16:20] <eagles0513875> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1259 package 'libisccfg60':
[16:20] <eagles0513875>  `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libcap2'
[16:20] <FloodBotK1> eagles0513875: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:20] <macdo> saintly: thanks. What am I looking for (this is the first time there has been a problem, and I've been using Lucid for a few weeks).
[16:20] <saintly> eagles0513875:  yeah im muddling through it right now, again i think you should attempt to uninstall and reinstall.
[16:21] <eagles0513875> well atm i cant as apt is locked
[16:21] <eagles0513875> as i was trying to install another program
[16:21] <UbuntuLily> DD can create an image FILE though?  Because I have documents, etc on that drive also I don't want to delete them
[16:21] <saintly> eagles0513875: wow lol. umm your on 10.04 right?
[16:21] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: dd will indeed create an image file.
[16:21] <eagles0513875> saintly: yes
[16:22] <eagles0513875> saintly: 64bit with a 2tb hdd and ext4
[16:22] <saintly> macdo: anytime man.
[16:23] <eagles0513875> saintly: ill brb i wanna try something crazy
[16:23] <saintly> eagles0513875: and i assume you still have your live CD? i would suggest a fresh install, if at all possible. i personally dont know how to get out of an apt lock.
[16:23] <alab> saintly: no it's not proprietary and seems to be included in kernel since 2.6.24 http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[16:23] <UbuntuLily>  dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/home/sam/partition.image bs=4096 conv=noerror  look like the command I want to run?
[16:23] <UbuntuLily> And I do that from the live Disk right?
[16:24] <saintly> and ur sure its being identified? your install MIGHT have missed it in the update, i know mine did when i switched to 9.10
[16:24] <saintly> alab: ^^
[16:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You don't have to reboot.
[16:25] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You can do it from your current running system.
[16:25] <UbuntuLily> Really?  I had asked someone else they told me I had to do it from the live disk.
[16:25] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Is /home/sam on /dev/sdb2?
[16:25] <alab> saintly: yes lspci states that
[16:25] <eagles0513875> saintly: back :( and that didnt work
[16:26] <UbuntuLily> Actually I think my disk is /dev/sda1
[16:26] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: I suggest you make sure. :-)
[16:26] <saintly> !wireless
[16:26] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  the "mount" command will tell you.
[16:26] <saintly> check that alab
[16:26] <alab> many thanks
[16:26] <UbuntuLily> ItIn GParted it says /dev/sda1 = EXT4 270GB
[16:27] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Where is /home/sam?
[16:27] <UbuntuLily>  /dev/sda2 = EXtended 20GB
[16:27] <saintly> eagles0513875: did you see what i wrote about fresh install? thats my suggestion
[16:27] <eagles0513875> saintly: :( ok
[16:27] <UbuntuLily> How do I figure that out?
[16:27] <macdo> eagles0513875: /var/lib/dpkg/lock?  If I remember rightly, if you run sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock, that should remove the apt lock. I take it that you have already tried rebooting.
[16:27] <UbuntuLily> I am 99% sure its on the one partition
[16:28] <eagles0513875> macdo: yes i did try rebooting also wont i screw up dpkg that way
[16:28] <vistakiller> can i encrypt file in kubuntu with right click?
[16:28] <FinnArild> ... where can I mount disk stuff in Kubuntu 10.04 ? I can't find the tool in system settings to fix this. Has it moved?
[16:28]  * James147 just found the "yes" command by accdent :S
[16:28] <saintly> macdo: ty lol i learnd somethin new today lol
[16:28] <eagles0513875> macdo: still gives me same error
[16:28] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You could also make a tarball of your system (i.e. somewhat like a zip file).
[16:29] <saintly> James147: the....what?
[16:29] <UbuntuLily> Is that mountable/restorable?
[16:29] <James147> saintly: "yes - output a string repeatedly until killed" << not entirly sure what that can be useful for though
[16:29] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, you would untar it and all  your files would be there.
[16:30] <saintly> James147: hmm. lol useful for spamming. :S
[16:30] <johnvand> just in case I am in the wrong place, can I get support from this site?
[16:30] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  If you use a LiveCD, it won't know anything about /home/sam.
[16:30] <macdo> eagles0513875: you still can't uninstall/reinstall because apt is locked?
[16:30] <Torch> James147: as input for scripts that need user interaction
[16:30] <saintly> johnvand: what here her for ;)
[16:30] <James147> Torch: :)
[16:30] <johnvand> support on 10.4
[16:30] <saintly> john
[16:30] <saintly> johnvand: yes
[16:31] <UbuntuLily> I only plan on keeping the files for a day or two, I would rather have an easy transition BACK if things fail.  If DD Will image the entire partition than if things fail I can restore, it seems like my best solution
[16:31] <johnvand> excellent - does anyone know how to have your windows reopen in the same size and position as they did before?
[16:31] <FinnArild> ... so - no way to mount a partition in KDE?
[16:31] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  cd <removable drive>, tar cvf / backup.tar
[16:32] <saintly> johnvand: do you know how to reach systm settings?
[16:32] <johnvand> yes
[16:32] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: dd will indeed make your desired image file.
[16:32] <James147> UbuntuLily: dont see why tar/untaring would be anymore dificult then creating an image
[16:32] <saintly> shoud be a windows activity tab in there.
[16:32] <johnvand> not seeing it
[16:32] <UbuntuLily> the CD command you just gave, that will create basically a TAR file of all my files, but not a restorable image of the partition is that correct?
[16:32] <saintly> hmm\
[16:33] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  sudo mount -o loop <image file> <mount point>    will mount an image file for reading.
[16:33] <Torch> UbuntuLily: linux is not windows. it's just a bunch of files, really. if you tar a system up and untar it again, it will still work.
[16:33] <UbuntuLily> That will mount the image from DD or the image from TAR?
[16:33] <johnvand> saintly - step by step??
[16:33] <UbuntuLily> Ohhh...  That explains alot
[16:33] <Torch> UbuntuLily: tar creates an archive (just like a zip file), not an image.
[16:33] <macdo> FinnArild: You're looking for a mounted hard drive?
[16:34] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: cd means "change directory".  the tar command will make a tarball, i.e. a copy of your files all in one big file.
[16:34] <FinnArild> macdo: I have a ntfs partition on the machine and I want to mount it on startup. From KDE. Using the mouse. Please.
[16:34] <UbuntuLily> Thank you torch, I am sure you can understand my post-tramatic stress from previous windows upgrades
[16:35] <saintly> johnvand: Settings> System Settings> Window Behavior
[16:35] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: it's much simpler & easier in Linux.
[16:35] <UbuntuLily> So I am learning
[16:35] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: If you make a copy of your current system to a new partition, edit the /etc/fstab file, the copy will be bootable.
[16:35] <UbuntuLily> Its funny though because I am (was) a pro in Windows, and so when I have to get help doing something as mundane as making an image, I get nervous
[16:36] <saintly> UbuntuLily: LOL
[16:36] <johnvand> saintly:where r u seeing settings?
[16:37] <saintly> johnvand: what type of 10.04 are you running? Netbook, Desk top?
[16:37] <UbuntuLily> Well just for my peace of mind this once I think I will go the DD route and waste my time, but lesson learned for next time.  Any good tutorials out there you can recommend for learning the terminal commands and such?
[16:37] <James147> DarthFrog: would you need to reinstall grub at all?
[16:37] <johnvand> desktop
[16:37] <macdo> FinnArild: can we do a bit of mouse and a bit of terminal? I just need you to type one thing in the terminal - nothing hard!
[16:37] <DarthFrog> James147: Depends upon whether it's GRUB 1 or 2.
[16:37] <saintly> johnvand: hit alt+f2, and in the box that pops up type in "system settings"
[16:38] <FinnArild> macdo: fine by me. ... I used to have that stuff in /etc/fstab, but now that's gone.
[16:38] <Torch> saintly: it's one word
[16:38] <saintly> Torch: ?
[16:38] <Torch> saintly: systemsettings
[16:38] <FinnArild> macdo: so any way I can mount /dev/sd3 to /media/ will be fine ...
[16:38] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Suggestion - when you do the new install, have a separate /home partition from the / partition.
[16:39] <saintly> Torch: seperated as two words for me.
[16:39] <macdo> FinnArild: it's a partition on an internal HD; right?
[16:39] <johnvand> saintly - not happening
[16:39] <FinnArild> macdo: yes
[16:39] <UbuntuLily> I will.  Another thing I was nervous about doing.  Im not used to being able to mount a disk in a folder.  lol
[16:39] <saintly> what happend when you hit alt+f2 johnvand
[16:40] <FinnArild> macdo: and /etc/fstab.hd says "Ignore this file" ... but nothing about what to use now ... :/
[16:40] <Torch> saintly: yeah, the menu entry is two words, the app is one word. thus, your suggestion works in the krunner (it also searches menu entries), but would not work in a shell.
[16:40] <UbuntuLily> Will it give me that option when I do my fresh install?
[16:40] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: in Linux (Unix), everything (except network interfaces) is a file.  Everything.
[16:40] <johnvand> saintly - run application window appeared
[16:40] <macdo> FinnArild: if you go into a terminal and type mount, what comes up?
[16:40] <James147> UbuntuLily: it wont by default but you can edit the partitions manually
[16:40] <saintly> Torch: true.
[16:40] <UbuntuLily> Gotcha
[16:40] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You can do the manual partition specification.
[16:40] <saintly> johnvand: do you know where your kickoff app launcher is?
[16:41] <FinnArild> macdo: some lines - some of them about automount. Is that the New Way(tm) of mounting stuff?
[16:41] <johnvand> saintly - no
[16:41] <saintly> johnvand: its the blue square with a K in the middle.
[16:41] <James147> UbuntuLily: you should need more tehn about 20 gigs for / (unless your putting lots of files in /var or /opt or something like that)
[16:41] <macdo> FinnArild: it should just list what's already mounted
[16:41] <macdo> can you paste it?
[16:41] <FinnArild> macdo: yes - my ntfs disk is not mounted - hang on ...
[16:42] <FinnArild> macdo: http://pastebin.com/sASMCUPa
[16:42] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily:  As you've no doubt noticed, with Linux, you're not in Kansas anymore. :-)
[16:42] <johnvand> saintly - where am I lloking for this?
[16:42] <saintly> johnvand: find it
[16:42] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: ... no you're in Space, where noone can hear you scream ;)
[16:43] <saintly> johnvand: on the status bar, bottom left corner
[16:43] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: :-)
[16:43] <johnvand> saintly - sorry - it's not there
[16:43] <saintly> wow
[16:43] <saintly> where do you reach internet and your files??
[16:45] <johnvand> saintly - firefox and on-screen icons for my drives
[16:45] <StevenR> Hi. how do I stop kmail checking every imap folder when it checks for new mail? I only want it to check my inbox when I hit check mail and when it starts up
[16:46] <macdo> FinnArild: I assume that you *can* mount your hd manually.
[16:46] <FinnArild> So - people - fstab is obviously out of Kubuntu 10.04 - what if I want to mount it on startup now?
[16:46] <FinnArild> macdo: obviously. I need to figure out what replaced fstab
[16:47] <UbuntuLily> Ack
[16:47] <James147> FinnArild: it has?
[16:47]  * James147 goes to check his fstab
[16:47] <DarthFrog> ??  fstab is there.
[16:47] <Torch> FinnArild: that sounds very unlikely to me (not running 10.04 yet)
[16:47] <UbuntuLily> One more question:  Is DD going to have a file size limit?  because this is going to make one 270GB file isn't it
[16:47] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: it's not here
[16:47] <Torch> UbuntuLily: not a problem
[16:48] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: Don't know why you don't have it.
[16:48] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: it's a clean kubuntu 10.04 install
[16:48] <macdo> FinnArild: I have an fstab...
[16:48] <voicu> how can i make kubuntu mount my drives at startup and not ask for the password at each logon?
[16:48] <FinnArild> DarthFrog: and /etc/fstab.hd is the only thing there, which says "DONT USE ME"
[16:48] <voicu> except for the obvious by changing /etc/fstab
[16:49] <DarthFrog> FinnArild: Weird.
[16:49] <UbuntuLily> Okay!  Here goes!
[16:49] <UbuntuLily> Thanx!
[16:49] <DarthFrog> voicu: Add the drives to /etc/fstab and use systemsettings to autologin.
[16:50] <James147> FinnArild: hmm, i have a fstab that seems to be working the way it use to
[16:50] <voicu> DarthFrog: I thought this stuff was made automatically by now :P
[16:50] <FinnArild> James147: ... so why don't I have an fstab?
[16:50] <James147> FinnArild: I hae no clue
[16:51] <DarthFrog> voicu: It would have been if you had told the installer where to mount the drives/partitions during the install.
[16:51] <FinnArild> or
[16:51] <UbuntuLily> I now I know why you kept asking about the sam folder, I typed the command wrong,   dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1/partition.image bs=4096 conv=noerror
[16:51] <FinnArild> possibly because I'm not root?
[16:51] <voicu> DarthFrog: ok, but is there no GUI config for this? What if I add another HDD to the pc?
[16:52] <macdo> FinnArild: Have you tried System Settings -> Advanced -> Removable devices?
[16:52] <macdo> FinnArild: (Just in case...)
[16:52] <FinnArild> macdo: yes - that won't let me mount them where I want
[16:52] <DarthFrog> voicu:  Well, you could use gparted to partition the new drive.
[16:52] <FinnArild> yes, I'm a picky bastard :)
[16:53] <alab> saintly: once i could fix things by editing the config files for the application under /etc, nowadays with dbus i do not even find which app is causing trouble, neverless where do i find the configuration for network-manager-kde, or at least a documentation like the man pages?
[16:53] <James147> FinnArild: you could try creating /etc/fstab and configuring it your self
[16:53] <FinnArild> actually
[16:53] <voicu> DarthFrog: yeah, but I'm talking about the system automatically mounting a drive. Something which should be done on any OS
[16:53] <FinnArild> I can try let system settings mount the file where he wants ...
[16:53] <voicu> I don't mind editing /etc/fstab but others would see this as stupid and annoying
[16:53] <macdo> FinnArild: Symbolic link from where you want it to where it is? :p
[16:54] <DarthFrog> voicu: It's not a mind reader, it doesn't know where you want it mounted.
[16:54] <Torch> voicu: you can use kde partition manager to set up the drive. the next version (not part of 10.04) will also allow you to edit mount points
[16:55] <James147> voicu: i like it not auto mounting 'everything' as i dont want my win7 partition mounted at all
[16:55] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: of=/dev/sdb1/partition.image will not work.
[16:56] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: partition.image will be a file and needs to go on a file system, not a device.
[16:56] <voicu> DarthFrog: well it already appears in dolphin, why shouldn't I be able to just click it and the system mount it in /media for example and let me use it without asking for the root pass
[16:56] <James147> voicu: I sware it use to do that
[16:56] <James147> voicu: not sure what changed in lucid though
[16:57] <macdo> FinnArild: I've just been checking a forum or two, and it seems there were a couple of bugs re automounting. Have you updated your system recently?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> voicu: How does it appear in Dolphin?  What happens when you click on it?
[16:57] <xenthral> how can I (fully?) upgrade from the beta?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> xenthral:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:57] <voicu> DarthFrog, james147: all the drives appear as "removable media" and when i try to mount them i get the kdesu interface
[16:57] <voicu> i selected them in systemsettings for automounting but i get kdesu for each one at logon
[16:58] <DarthFrog> voicu: You're trying to do something that requires root privileges.
[16:58] <xenthral> DarthFrog: doesn't really do anything - I'm concerned because the bootup screen is still ubuntu's here
[16:58] <FinnArild> macdo: I managed to mount it now - thanks.
[16:58] <James147> DarthFrog: i sware that kubuntu use to do that with out the root password though...
[16:58] <James147> DarthFrog: on karmic at least
[16:59] <FinnArild> macdo: actually - clicking "removable devices" didn't occur to me - since the disk is anything but.
[16:59] <DarthFrog> xenthral: Did  you install the Ubuntu beta or the Kubuntu beta?
[16:59] <voicu> DarthFrog: technically yeah but I thought there was a way to configure KDE to automount the drives without needing me to input the pass
[16:59] <voicu> just like I can reboot without a root pass
[16:59] <DarthFrog> voicu: Don't know.  I do all that stuff from the command line. :-)
[16:59] <macdo> FinnArild: I'm running on a Live CD at the mo and all my disks are there - 1.5 T of not very removable removable media :p
[16:59] <xenthral> kubuntu beta
[17:00] <anders___> Hi. I can't login after upgrade - kdm/xorg crashes after i enter my password and press enter. /var/log/kdm says "can not get ibus-daemon's address"
[17:00] <xenthral> rather I upgraded from a kubuntu to the kubuntu beta
[17:00] <DarthFrog> James147: I assume you're aware that there is no root password in Kubuntu?
[17:00] <James147> voicu: DarthFrog: yeah, i can still mount usb drives ithout root, just not internal ones
[17:00] <xenthral> 9.10 -> beta 10.04
[17:00] <DarthFrog> xenthral: so how did you wind up with the Ubuntu splashscreen in the first place?
[17:01] <James147> DarthFrog: I am, but that dosnt mean that you can run commands under root without a password
[17:01] <xenthral> kubuntu beta had it
[17:01] <macdo> voicu: Have you tried System Settings -> Advanced -> Removable devices?
[17:01] <voicu> macdo: yes, that's how i get the 5 kdesu's at logon :P
[17:01] <James147> DarthFrog: its more a kdm/kde thing where kde can ask kdm to doo some stuff as root (like shutdown)
[17:01] <DarthFrog> James147: Not really,  sudo or kdesu gives you root priviliges.  You still have to supply a password to gain those privileges.
[17:01] <voicu> james147: exactly, it should work like that
[17:02] <James147> DarthFrog: eg, the shutdown shorcuts disapear if you run kde from commandline without kdm
[17:02] <James147> DarthFrog: thats what I mean...
[17:02] <UbuntuLily> Ahhhh,   dd if=/dev/sda1 of="/media/My Book/partition.image" bs=4096 conv=noerror
[17:02] <xenthral> oh well, not really that important, all the packages seem to be latest, no weird bugs I can spot
[17:03] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: That should work.
[17:03] <xenthral> thanks for the help anyways DarthFrog :)
[17:03] <voicu> what's a command for finding info about drives
[17:03] <voicu> ?
[17:03] <James147> voicu: do you need a password to mount removable media, or jsut internal devices
[17:03] <DarthFrog> xenthral: you're welcome.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> voicu: what do you want to know?
[17:03] <voicu> James147: just internal ones
[17:03] <voicu> DarthFrog: the label would be enough :)
[17:03] <voicu> so I know which goes where
[17:04] <Torch> voicu: blkid or vol_id
[17:04] <DarthFrog> not blkid and vol_id isn't installed.
[17:04] <voicu> ye
[17:04] <voicu> :P
[17:05] <DarthFrog> sudo cfdisk /dev/sd<whatever>
[17:05] <James147> DarthFrog: blkid will list all harddrives with their name and uuid
[17:06] <Torch> DarthFrog: it's part of util-linux, you should really have that
[17:06] <James147> Torch: dont ahve vol_id either :S
[17:06] <Torch> James147: that's being phased out anyway, so no surprise
[17:07] <voicu> hmm, cfdisk doesn't show me the labels properly?
[17:07] <DarthFrog> name and uuid isn't the lable.
[17:07] <DarthFrog> label
[17:07] <Torch> voicu: it can't.
[17:07] <voicu> there was a simpler command but I keep forgeting it
[17:07] <James147> DarthFrog: I mean label -- "/dev/sda1: LABEL="data" UUID="....."" << it does list them
[17:08] <Torch> voicu: volume labels are a property of the file system. (c)fdisk doesn't deal with file systems.
[17:08] <voicu> well how do I see them?
[17:08] <voicu> dolphin can without even having root access :P
[17:09] <Torch> voicu: still with blkid
[17:09] <DarthFrog> James147: Well, I guess I don't have my partitions labelled. :-)
[17:09] <James147> DarthFrog: :-)
[17:10] <voicu> Torch: but it lists drives already mounted, I need to see them while unmounted
[17:10] <Torch> voicu: give it the device path you're interested in, that should work even if not mounted
[17:11] <DarthFrog> voicu: It should work with unmounted drives.
[17:11] <James147> voicu: sudo blkid -c /dev/null    that will update it and list all devices
[17:11] <voicu> oh
[17:11] <voicu> now it works, thanks
[17:11] <voicu> geez
[17:12] <James147> it works with a cashe so wont always report the current state the above will refresh it :)
[17:12] <voicu> btw, is NTFS writing support safe now? :D
[17:12] <DarthFrog> James147: It's a poor day when I don't learn something new.  Thank you for that.
[17:12] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:12] <ADC> hey
[17:12] <DarthFrog> voicu: Yes.
[17:13] <James147> voicu: for your information: you can use ntfs-config to create fstab entries for ntfs drives with ease :)
[17:14] <voicu> haha
[17:14] <voicu> well it's kinda too late now :P
[17:14] <James147> voicu: :D
[17:15]  * James147 hates eclipses colouing scheme
[17:15] <markit> hi, I've seen a screencast recorded with "recordmydesktop" where the speaker sometime zooms to make menu selection more easy to read, then zooms back. Is it a feature of KDE? Or do you think is a "post production" feature, maybe made with kdenlive? (if so, what?)
[17:16] <James147> markit: there is a zoom effect for kwin, but my guess is post production
[17:17] <voicu> gah, stupid command history
[17:17] <voicu> i hit "sudo reboot" by mistake
[17:17] <James147> voicu: :S
[17:18] <voicu> btw, isn't there a gnome gui for this? ubuntu stuff is more user friendly usually?
[17:19] <Torch> voicu: for what? accidental reboots? ;-)
[17:20] <voicu> hehe
[17:20] <James147> voicu: gnome tends to get more support in ubuntu :(  but kde is evolving rapidly and new dialogs are apearing all the time.
[17:20] <markit> James147: ok, I'll try on a virtual machine first, lol
[17:20] <James147> voicu: I mihg tbe tempted to write something this summer when I have more time :S
[17:20] <voicu> i know, i always thought kde shouldn't have been the default wm for ubuntu :(
[17:20] <voicu> james147: maybe i'd like to help :D
[17:21] <Torch> voicu: that was a serious question though... what gui are you missing?
[17:21] <James147> voicu: ?? kde isent the default "wm" for ubuntu
[17:21] <markit> btw, I would like to simply cange the image of the spalsh screed used during boot. Seems that is very complicated, requiring the assembly of multiple files. Am I wrong? Is there a program that can help?
[17:21] <voicu> torch: a GUI that edits /etc/fstab
[17:21] <DarthFrog> !splash
[17:21] <voicu> torch: and/or detects new drives and asks if you want to have them mounted at startup
[17:22] <markit> DarthFrog: not to change, to modify
[17:22] <markit> DarthFrog: I want to "create" my own, with a different background image
[17:22] <Gh0st> hi
[17:22] <DarthFrog> !usplash
[17:23] <James147> voicu: although my that time the device manager might have evolved abit and work more like expected
[17:23] <voicu> james147: well it's not, isn't it? gnome is given the most attention while kubuntu always tends to look like 'that second project'
[17:23] <Torch> voicu: like i said before, the next kde partition manager version will have all that. looks like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/m-I8eY.html
[17:23] <markit> DarthFrog: thanks, is the documentation I was referring to... too complicated. I just asked if, for just change the background image, ther is a faster / streightforward way
[17:23] <DarthFrog> voicu: That's because it is.
[17:23] <markit> but seems there is not :)
[17:24] <DarthFrog> markit: I know not.  The bot knows all. :-)
[17:24] <anil> Hi
[17:24] <voicu> DarthFrog: yeah and my point was that I would have liked it if kubuntu was the main project
[17:24] <macdo> voicu: I see what you mean, now that I have got *my* system back rather than a Live CD. You haven't found a solution, have you?
[17:24] <voicu> DarthFrog: if the same amount of work would go into KDE it would be a lot better than gnome is
[17:25] <voicu> macdo: well i edited /etc/fstab but it's not the solution i really wanted
[17:25] <DarthFrog> voicu: Kubuntu is somewhat the red-headed step-child of Ubuntu.  There is a rebellion brewing amongst the Kubuntu developers against this.
[17:25] <voicu> hehe
[17:25] <voicu> i wonder why
[17:26] <DarthFrog> voicu: And KDE is a lot better than GNOME, IMNSOHO. :-)
[17:27] <DarthFrog> GNOME: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow you to do that"  KDE: "How do you want to do it, boss?"
[17:28] <voicu> DarthFrog: did I ever state otherwise? ;)) It's just that there are many kinks that still need working and it would be great if it would get the same attention gnome gets
[17:30] <voicu> of course, there are things that are not really kde's problem...
[17:30] <voicu> for example it took me the whole day to make X span accross both monitors properly
[17:32] <oxymoron> WHere can I found that freaking ugly Kmix icon in systray plasmoid? I want to remove it and replace it? :P
[17:33] <oxymoron> I have searched with "locate kmix" but cant find it anywhere in icons folders.
[17:33] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Click on the cashew on the right hand side of the panel.
[17:34] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Yeah?
[17:34] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Hmm, it doesn't seem to be there.  I thought it was.
[17:35] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Aha, found it.
[17:35] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Nice, where? :)
[17:35] <DarthFrog> Open the mixer window and choose "Settings"
[17:35] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   (change 32x32 with the resalution you want to change)
[17:35] <fabio_> hi all... someone can redirect me to a channel for kdevelop newbies?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Then choose "Configure KMix".
[17:36] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Which mixer window
[17:36] <markit> mmm zoom the deskto whould have Meta+ as shortcut, but seems not to work. In the desktop effects is enabled... what can be wrong?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: the KMix mixer window.
[17:36] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Yes?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: you can do that by right-clicking on the systray icon.
[17:37] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Cannot change icon there? :P
[17:37] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: Ah.  I thought you wanted to remove the icon.
[17:37] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   << looks like its there
[17:37] <fabio_> there is a IRC channel for kdevelop? How can I search?
[17:37] <markit> my foult, was "meta=" but does not work either
[17:37] <James147> fabio_: try #kdevelop  :)
[17:37] <oxymoron> James147: Hmm I looked in that folder, maybe I forgot check 32x32 then :P
[17:38] <fabio_> thankyou
[17:39] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: I think you'll have to edit the icon itself.  Check out /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmix/pics/kmixdocked.png
[17:39] <oxymoron> James147: Then I cannot understand why its so hard to just place ALL icons in one place :S Every system part have different paths in home folder /usr/share and god know what.
[17:39] <oxymoron> James147: And what about this freaking pixmap folder where Firefox stores their icon? :D It took me ages to find out and then remove it to replace it in Cairo Dock with my own :D
[17:40] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Idont need to edit, I already have one :P
[17:40] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: I just dont understand, Kickoff menu shows one icon and systray another :D
[17:40] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: then replace the default one with yours. :-)
[17:40] <Torch> DarthFrog: what kickoff shows is determined by the .desktop file
[17:40] <oxymoron> And then taskbar shows another icon as well for Kmix :D
[17:40] <Torch> DarthFrog: what you see in the systray is set from within the app
[17:40] <James147> oxymoron: icons are stored in /home so taht suers can change their icons without needed root, they are stored in /usr so that users cant edit them without root :)
[17:41] <Ageofdarks> hi all
[17:41] <DarthFrog> Torch: Thanks, but I wasn't the one asking. :-)
[17:41] <Torch> DarthFrog: oops, sorry ;-)
[17:41] <c4rl> Hi. I'm new to KDE and I have a question about window-resizing. In Gnome, the default settings is alt+middle button
[17:41] <oxymoron> James147: Yes, but there is /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmap, /usr/share/app-install/icons, WHY ON EARTH is nto ALL icons stored in /usr/share/icons ?
[17:41] <c4rl> how do I go about that in KDE?
[17:41] <Torch> c4rl: alt+right button ;-)
[17:42] <c4rl> Torch, thanks. Is there a place I can configure these settings?
[17:42] <James147> oxymoron: its different development groups anoyingly use different locations :(
[17:42] <c4rl> or at least other similar thing..
[17:42] <Torch> c4rl: system settings -> window behaviour
[17:42] <c4rl> wow, great! thanks Torch
[17:42] <oxymoron> James147: Btw " /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kmix.png   << looks like its there" is not the one I want to remove/repalce :P I check DarthFrog as well.
[17:43] <oxymoron> James147: Yes, and that sucks. Then they store a lot of icons the desktop dont even use at all, why? :D
[17:43] <oxymoron> James147: I WANT all icons to be overwritten with my ~/.kde/share/icons folder, but all parts on the desktop uses different locations :D
[17:44] <oxymoron> James147: There is a reason I choose a icon theme, its because I dont want the ugly ones from default xD
[17:44] <oxymoron> Even if I change icon theme, it doesnt replace icons everywhere even though it SHOULD :D
[17:45] <James147> oxymoron: try in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kmix/pics/   i see lot of mixer*.png icons that mihgt be of intrest
[17:45] <James147> oxymoron: the problem with the icon theme is the theme developer will make icons for his system, but might be missing some on yours.... so the system will use the default ones for the missing ones
[17:46] <oxymoron> James147: I see them in there, but none of them is the one in the systray plasmoid :D
[17:46] <James147> oxymoron: its very hard to make an icon theme for every single application out there :(
[17:47] <oxymoron> James147: No, not in this case, there is one for Firefox and Kmix, but system still use the default ones :P
[17:47] <oxymoron> James147: The problem is priority of icon paths for different icons in different parts on the desktop. App launcher uses one path, task panel one path and systray one and so on xD
[17:48] <James147> oxymoron: /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/status/audio-volume-muted.png :D
[17:48] <oxymoron> James147: I got different icons everyehwere for same application. Kmix uses like 5 different icons from 5 different places depending on where the icon is :P
[17:49] <oxymoron> James147: Oh yeah, there it is /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/status/audio-volume-high.png :D
[17:50] <oxymoron> James147: Is it possible to make my ~/.kde/share/icons/Crystal_project overwrite EVERYTHING on system, its hould ALWAYS be priority no1 and if misses an icon, then the system can use their ugly icon set :D
[17:51] <James147> oxymoron: I assumed that setting it on System settings > appearence > icons would do that
[17:51] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah so did I, but it doesnt :(
[17:52] <James147> oxymoron: (at least that worked for my bespin theme)
[17:52]  * BluesKaj wonders if an eye candy chat is in order
[17:52] <BluesKaj> like themes-icons or some such
[17:52] <oxymoron> James147: Can I remove /usr/share/icons/oxygen safely? :P
[17:52] <James147> oxymoron: I have no idea
[17:54] <oxymoron> James147: It seems like oxygen icon theme have highest priority before my current icon theme :S
[17:55] <James147> oxymoron: ... looking at the index.theme file inside the theme folder it contains the line "Inherits=hicolor" suggesting there is a hirearchy of themes :S
[17:56] <oxymoron> James147: Interesting, when moved/renamed oxygen icon folder I got white areas on a lot of places xD
[17:57] <ForgeAus> iKandy can be fun :)
[17:58] <voicu> what's the kde program to add and remove programs?
[17:58] <oxymoron> James147: Which index.them file? :P
[17:58] <James147> voicu: kpackgekit
[17:59] <James147> oxymoron: its located in the root of oxygen theme (and other themes i looked at)
[17:59] <James147> voicu: sorry, kpackagekit  :)
[18:00] <voicu> james147: there was a simpler one that listed applications, not packages
[18:00] <oxymoron> James147: What does Inherits highcolor mean in the end? :P
[18:01] <ForgeAus> theming for KDE4 is easy many kdelook.org themes are accessible by clicking "Get more themes" where you mod that aspect
[18:01] <ForgeAus> from desktop wallpapers to plasma applets
[18:01] <ForgeAus> hmm Lancelot is kewl :) finally got to use it!
[18:01] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Yes I know. thanks though ;)
[18:02] <James147> voicu: they all list "packages" as far as i know :S
[18:02] <ForgeAus> a little too vista-like but other than that, nice enough
[18:03] <voicu> James147: nah, there was one that was named "add/remove applications" and only showed a selection of apps
[18:03] <James147> voicu: is there somehting spicific you are searching for?
[18:03] <oxymoron> I guess I have to wait for KDE 4.5 and Kubuntu 10.10 *sigh* before I can get a stable and perfect polished system.
[18:03] <James147> voicu: might be a gnome thing...
[18:03] <DarthFrog> oxymoron: You have a stable system now.  Nothing is ever perfect. :-)
[18:03] <marc-andre> oxymoron: that's why i'm seriously looking at ubuntu
[18:04] <oxymoron> Nouveau isnt finished until then and nvidia-current isnt working as it should xD
[18:04] <voicu> james147: yeh, i'll as in #ubuntu
[18:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Why so? :)
[18:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Because its not polished enough, or what kind of factors?
[18:04] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: what is a perfect system?
[18:04] <oxymoron> DarthFrog: Its not stable, some important things doesnt work.
[18:04] <marc-andre> oxymoron: 'cause it doesn't look polished, and gnome looks very nice
[18:05] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: A system that works where it should and have minor issues here and there. BUt if not even graphics, resolution, video output works as it SHOULD, ITS NOT stable.
[18:06] <ForgeAus> KDE4 will eventually be polished, I mean KDE3 pretty much had that... just give it time
[18:06] <oxymoron> marc-andre: It almost look polished I would say, but Gnome is worse IMO. New radiance and ambience themes isnt good enough for me and bad applications in Gnome and I would miss Amarok too much :P
[18:06] <chocolate> i am live booting latest ubuntu using pen drive....it is stuck at loading....and in the background wrtten  getpwuid_r : failed due to unknown user id   .......please help
[18:07] <marc-andre> oxymoron: the applications are the main factor what keeps me back...
[18:07] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: KDE 3 never looked good at all :D It wasnt until KDE 4.3 it become usable ... but still unusable and crashed in Akonadi for instance and not implemented correct in apps like KMail :P
[18:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Yes, there ir some awesome Kubuntu/KDE apps like KDevelop4 (Released yesterday), PartitionManager (Finally works fast on upload to scan disks), Amarok, Dolphin, Kopete (Soon stable and polished enough to work with video chat and high speed file transfers) and so on.
[18:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i'm on KDE because of Konqueror
[18:09] <oxymoron> K3B is awesome as well, Ktorrent, Konsole :P
[18:09] <marc-andre> and K3B
[18:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: exactly
[18:09] <licensed> choqok ;)
[18:10] <licensed> kopete, akregator ;)
[18:10] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Konqueror sucks IMO, too much glitches, it isnt that good as earlier in the days of KDE3 when it was "integrated" with a lot of features as IE is in WIndows :D
[18:10] <chocolate> can someone help me?
[18:11] <oxymoron> marc-andre: KHTML, Webkit isnt stable for HTML5, XHTML rendering and all that website stuff :P Then Flash isnt working good, but hopefully Flash will disappaer forever now with HTML5 era :D
[18:12] <etxekoak> ya soc aqui
[18:12] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i use it as a filemanager only, and there it is great, but true, not as good as it was in KDE3
[18:12] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Oh yeah and then we have Wine (Which is good initiative itself even if its not very compatible and stable YET) and KOffice (Especially Krita) but need a little more polish in the interface and expand features a little more to be better, faster and more creative than MS Office or OpenOffice :P
[18:13] <yofel> open office looks horrible with my dark theme, writing on a black sheet of paper feels odd...
[18:13] <JohnnyL> what's a good free iso burner for xp? (I want to burn kubuntu)
[18:13] <oxymoron> marc-andre: I used Konqueror before in KDE3 as filemanager and quite good but I must say I like Dolphin better unfortunatly :P Konqueror got to comfortable and missed that the future still goes on :P
[18:14] <oxymoron> JohnnyL: ImgBurn I think, ultraISO maybe or download Nero Trial xD
[18:14] <ahmedtaufiq> does lucid lynx has URDU language support ?
[18:14] <JohnnyL> oxymoron: great thanks! :)
[18:14] <yofel> oh, and kdevelop 4 is in lucid-backports :D
[18:14] <oxymoron> yofel: Is it possible to change theme in OpenOffice, I cant find how to? :P
[18:14] <James147> yofel: same here, i like that koffice dose it write with a white document nomatter the theme
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> does lucid lynx has urdu language support ??
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> any one to help
[18:15] <yofel> oxymoron: no idea what theme it uses, it has a icon theme setting, but that doesn't do much here TBH
[18:15] <oxymoron> yofel: Yes, Kdevelop4 is awesome! :) Rainbow variable coloring is the most cool feature IMO :D Then it has svn and CVS version systems built in (Some minor bugs in them though)
[18:15] <James147> JohnnyL: if you have a spare 1gig or larger usb flash drive you can create a bootable usb useing unetbootin and not bother burning a cd :)
[18:15] <ahmedtaufiq> can all the menus and text be converted to URDU language ?
[18:15] <ForgeAus> what is rainbow variable colouring?
[18:15] <greyhat> Hey, i have a sound problem :( i can only hear system sounds, dont hear anything from videos, internet, mp3...
[18:16] <ahmedtaufiq> in lucid lynx ?
[18:16] <greyhat> I use Lucid Lynx
[18:16] <ahmedtaufiq> greyhat can u help me on this
[18:16] <JohnnyL> James147: ok.
[18:16] <oxymoron> James147: Do you know if its possible to remove that grey frame around the text in Koffice or OpenOffice? :P I hate it, it destroy the look of clean, elegance and so on. A dotted border or more transparent would be good, NOT solid as now :P
[18:17] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: KDE supports Urdu.
[18:17] <yofel> oxymoron: didn't have much time to look at it yet other than the basic stuff, but that sound nice *g*
[18:17]  * James147 looks into oxymoron question
[18:17] <yofel> *sounds
[18:17] <oxymoron> yofel: I cannot even find how to change icons for OOO, I would like to switch to Crystal project icons :P
[18:17] <ahmedtaufiq> how can i do this  ?
[18:17] <yofel> oxymoron: sec
[18:17]  * James147 has to install koffice first :D
[18:17] <yofel> that oracle icon feels odd...
[18:18] <ahmedtaufiq> DarthFrog : what are the steps; can u suggest the appropriate web article on this >?
[18:18] <oxymoron> yofel: Yes I love the highlightning, project structure and almost like everything is exactly as I want it and its integrated for KDE as well. Now I can trash Zend Studio, Eclipse, Netbeans, Aptana and all those :P
[18:18] <oxymoron> yofel: Unfortunatly there is only C++/C and PHP support for the moment, but I only use PHP anyway so I am happy :D
[18:18]  * marc-andre never will trash Zend Studio with Aptana
[18:19] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: No, sorry.  I just did "apt-cache search urdu" and found what translation sets are available.
[18:19] <yofel> oxymoron: (in ooo-writer) tools>options>oo.o>view>icon size and style
[18:19] <James147> oxymoron: i just wish they would get java support for kdevelop so i can ignore elcipse and the horribaly way it handles colors
[18:19] <ForgeAus> Crystal is kewl :)
[18:19] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq:  And it's "you", not "u". :-)
[18:19] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah it will probably get support for Java, Python, Ruby and so on in the future :)
[18:19] <yofel> James147: +1
[18:19] <ahmedtaufiq> ok
[18:19] <ForgeAus> retro as far as KDE is concerned tho
[18:19] <yofel> well, this is still 4.0 :P
[18:19] <oxymoron> yofel: Thanks, will try that :)
[18:20] <oxymoron> yofel: Yeah its only 4.0 and its awesome :P The team is nice and awesome as well ;)
[18:20] <ahmedtaufiq> darthfrog: so urdu as transalation set is available; so how can i install it ?
[18:20]  * marc-andre is still pissed about the fact that he can't install zend server on kubuntu 10.04
[18:20] <DarthFrog> ahmedtaufiq: Use kpackagekit.
[18:21] <UbuntuLily> I have a question.  Why does Ubuntu seem to get slower when I install more applications even though I am not running any ?
[18:21] <James147> oxymoron: i know it will come, i jsut wish it would come sooner, i hate eclipse more and more every day :(... whos idea was it to stick syntax coloring in the workspace so users have to reset it for every workspace
[18:21] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: It might be due to nepomuk indexing.
[18:21] <DarthFrog> !nepomuk
[18:21] <James147> UbuntuLily: ^^ what DarthFrog said or it might be that your disk is getting full?
[18:21] <oxymoron> yofel: I cannot change icon theme other than the Oxygen theme xD
[18:22] <UbuntuLily> I am currently running Ubuntu though not Kubuntu (I am switching as we speak) isn't that part of that KDE?
[18:22] <yofel> oxymoron: you need to install the corresponding openoffice.org-style-* package iirc
[18:22] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Yes.
[18:23] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah I never liked Eclipse and then I cant understrand why Zend build their Studio upon Eclipse and then Aptana as well :D Urkh, now I will throw them away :D
[18:23] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Do you have a full hard disk?  Are you low on memory?
[18:23] <oxymoron> yofel: Aha I see, thanks :P
[18:23] <UbuntuLily> 4 Gigs of ram, 50GB free on disk, 20GB Swap drive
[18:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: Well, it's probably nepomuk then.
[18:24] <James147> oxymoron: @your kword question Kword > view > unckeck "frame borders"
[18:24] <UbuntuLily> But Im not running nepomuk
[18:24] <DarthFrog> UbuntuLily: You're running GNOME, then?  Don't know about GNOME.
[18:25] <oxymoron> James147: Awesome, do you know if its possible to change the look of frame borders? :P
[18:26] <UbuntuLily> ya, for now,  Installing Kubuntu now though and gonna try ditching gnome.  I was just wondering if there was any maintenance I am not doing I guess.
[18:26]  * oxymoron wonders why some apps doesnt have a apply settings button ... You need to click ok and go back again to setup more settings xD
[18:26] <rogesman> hey all, where can i find the grub editor gui? needs to be installed?
[18:27] <James147> oxymoron: poor ui design :(
[18:27] <anirban_c8> hi
[18:28] <anirban_c8> I just upgraded to 10.04
[18:28]  * oxymoron is going to grab some food, brb
[18:28] <anirban_c8> and I cannot login to my desktop
[18:28] <James147> oxymoron: dont see a way to edit the border look
[18:29] <anirban_c8> I checked  systemlog and it says some error in frame buffer
[18:29] <James147> anirban_c8: try running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install -f" from the terminal
[18:29] <anirban_c8> ok let me try
[18:30] <James147> anirban_c8: if that dosnt help then you can try renaming ~/.kde and checking that all files in you home directory arent owned by root :)
[18:31] <anirban_c8> ok james147 aptitude install -f installing some more packages
[18:31] <James147> anirban_c8: :)
[18:31] <rogesman> hey all, where can i find the grub editor gui? needs to be installed?
[18:32] <James147> rogesman: not sure there is one for grub 2
[18:32] <rogesman> James147: hmm...well, just want to disable acpi support
[18:33] <James147> !grub2 | rogesman
[18:34] <draik> !grub
[18:35] <rogesman> okay....the GUI made life a bit easier tho :-p
[18:37] <anirban_c8> james147 no the probelm remains
[18:37] <James147> rogesman: someone will probally create one eventaully... if there sint one already
[18:37] <anirban_c8> I renamed the ,kde dir and also executed the aptitdue install -f
[18:37] <James147> anirban_c8: afraid i am not sure whats wrong then
[18:37] <anirban_c8> I am still getting invalid frame buffer id
[18:38] <anirban_c8> my guess is it is some thing with my ati chip set
[18:38] <yofel> anirban_c8: do you get the login screen?
[18:38] <James147> anirban_c8: you had the proprity drivers installed before you upgraded?
[18:38] <anirban_c8> yeah I get the login screen
[18:38] <yofel> hm
[18:39] <anirban_c8> but when I enter the user name and password screen get blanked for a while and then the login screen reappear
[18:40] <anirban_c8> I think there is some open driver for my graphics card already
[18:40] <anirban_c8> it is ati 400 expresss
[18:41] <anirban_c8> sorry it is radon 200 Xpress
[18:41] <JohnnyL> They should call nero, 'Near? Oh, no' taking forever to install.
[18:41] <greyhat> Anyone have the same problem as me ? i can only hear system sounds (Lucid Lynx)
[18:42] <greyhat> My sound worked flawless some hour ago :/
[18:43] <Torch> JohnnyL: it's a huge multimedia suite, not a disk burning program.
[18:43] <jrolland-MacBook> Hi. I tried following the instructions on <http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2>, but now kde-workspace-bin isn
[18:43] <jrolland-MacBook> t installed; can someone help?
[18:43] <anirban_c8> before 10.04 I had the open source driver for my graphics card
[18:44] <jrolland-MacBook> I have KUbuntu Intrepid install and I am trying to upgrade to KDE 4.2.2
[18:44] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: what version of kubuntu are you useing? 4.2.2 is quite old now
[18:44] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: look into backports, it should be there
[18:44] <anirban_c8> yeah latest is 4,4
[18:45] <jrolland-MacBook> Yeah, but intrepid uses 4.1
[18:45] <PSiL0> James147: maybe he has a legacy ati card, where catalyst 9.3 is the last one to support his laptop
[18:45] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: intrepid has reached end of life :(
[18:45] <jrolland-MacBook> I have a 2.4 GHz duo core with 2 gig of RAM; what version of Kubuntu is the latest that will run well with it?
[18:45] <jasunto> kubuntu 10.04 wont wake from sleep so i have to power cycle laptop, networking is hosed after starting back up
[18:45] <jasunto> network management icon says disabled
[18:46] <jasunto> restarting networking makes no difference
[18:46] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: lucid should run fine (try a live cd/usb first, some are having problems with it)
[18:46] <jrolland-MacBook> James147: But intrepid runs fast
[18:46] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[18:47] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: enable the backports repos and then upgrade
[18:47] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: 4.2.2, for intrepid should be there if they haven't cut out support
[18:48] <James147> jrolland-MacBook: kde 4.4.x has alot of new features and speed improvments over 4.2.x.. (or at least it should)
[18:48] <yofel> jrolland-MacBook: intrepid might run nice, but please not that support for intrepid ended with the release of lucid and intrepid will not get any bugfix or security updates anymore
[18:48] <yofel> *please note
[18:51] <jrolland-MacBook> OK, I'm upgrading to Jaunty; thanks for the discussions
[18:51] <stern_> hy an alle
[18:52] <stern_> where is here the chat for german
[18:52] <yofel> !de
[18:53] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: jaunty only goes up to kde 4.3.2 I believe
[18:53] <ForgeAus> does kpackage still exist or can you only use kpackagekit?
[18:53] <penguin> hello.
[18:53] <PSiL0> jrolland-MacBook: with backports enabled
[18:53] <jasunto> lucid lynx no network wired or wireless after failed wakeup from sleep
[18:54] <penguin> remember that problem that I had yesterday when the kubuntu won't boot,
[18:54] <yofel> ForgeAus: in kubuntu there is only kpackagekit
[18:54] <speedvin> hello
[18:54] <ForgeAus> can you use it like the old kpackage? do you know?
[18:55] <speedvin> what do you mean like old kpackage?
[18:55] <speedvin> *use like old kpackage
[18:55] <yofel> nope, I  didn't use KDE yet when kubuntu still used kpackage
[18:56] <speedvin> @Forgeaus I think in Kubuntu 10.10 we will have aptitude qt frontend
[18:56] <ForgeAus> kubuntu didn't use that it used Adept before kpackagekit
[18:57] <speedvin> you're right
[18:57] <ForgeAus> (kpackage was another package manager that was around/usable but it wasn't the default one for kubuntu)
[18:58] <speedvin> BTW. Is there any way to use kde from svn in kubuntu without compilation?
[18:58] <speedvin> ppa repo or something like that?
[18:58] <ForgeAus> I doubt it
[18:59] <ForgeAus> launchpad?
[19:00] <yofel> no, the kubuntu team already has their hands full packaging the official releases, forget daily builds
[19:00] <speedvin> sadly...
[19:08] <ForgeAus> is arora going to replace konqi?
[19:08] <c3l> anyone managed to get spotify running on 10.04?
[19:08] <ForgeAus> (if so are they going to have kparts?)
[19:09] <c3l> I mean, it runs through wine. but no sound
[19:09] <speedvin> I think rekonq will be better to repleace konqeror
[19:09] <ForgeAus> whats rekonq?
[19:09] <yofel> rekonq is being considered for maverick
[19:10] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm
[19:10] <speedvin> :D
[19:10] <yofel> I like it actually :)
[19:10] <speedvin> I using it now!
[19:10] <Quintasan> I don't like it, hangs at any bigger site
[19:10] <ForgeAus> kewl maverick is lucid +1?
[19:10] <speedvin> I replaced konq with it and oo.o with koffice
[19:10] <Quintasan> ForgeAus: yup
[19:10] <speedvin> yes
[19:10] <ForgeAus> maverick what?
[19:10] <yofel> maverick meerkat
[19:11] <ForgeAus> oh
[19:11] <ForgeAus> least it wasn't minx :)
[19:12] <safer> i installed kubuntu on a pendrive, to free some space i moved my /usr to another partition, but this partition is ntfs and i can't format it, so i configured my fstab to bind usr on partition to usr in root tree, but seems that my ntfs mout poin is wrong
[19:12] <safer> here my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426566/
[19:14] <gian> ciao a tutti
[19:14] <SwissTorExit> hello to everyone, be happy that sasl work now
[19:14] <speedvin> @safer do have all ntfs packages installed?
[19:15] <safer> speedvin: only that live cd install
[19:16] <speedvin> do you have ntfsprogs installed?
[19:17] <safer> how can i verify, i am in a live session, with linux partition mounted, find ntfsprogs on this partition?
[19:18] <speedvin> sudo aptitude /installed package/otherfs/ntfsprogs or aptitude search ntfsprogs
[19:20] <safer> speedvin: ntfsprogs are installed
[19:20] <speedvin> ok
[19:21] <safer> i can mount this partition, but i having problems with, "must be suid root" when running something
[19:21] <speedvin> with mkntfs command you can format this pratition
[19:21] <safer> or don't initialize with this fstab configuration (with uid, gid)
[19:21] <skramer_> hi, does anybody know how to do ICQ Multiuser Chat with Kopete?
[19:22] <yofel> safer: tried doing whatever you want to do with 'sudo <command>' `
[19:22] <yofel> ?
[19:23] <safer> speedvin: sorry, my problem is not in formating this partition, is using usr in this partition, do you looked my fstab?
[19:23] <speedvin> yes
[19:23] <speedvin> yofel answer +1
[19:24] <Torch> safer: fstab does not work that way. the first columns has to be a device
[19:24] <safer> yofel: same error with 'sudo <command>', (must be suid root)
[19:24] <yofel> Torch: not for bind
[19:25] <Torch> yofel: ah, sorry. didn't read it all
[19:25] <Torch> safer: i'm also very skeptical if having /usr on ntfs is such a good idea.
[19:26] <eagles0513875> Torch: now for the moment of truth with the reinstall from a cd
[19:27] <safer> Torch: i have no options, since this partition is not myne, and i can't format, go try other configurations with gid,uid,dmask and fmask
[19:29] <eagles0513875> is there a problem with the ubuntu installer or something off a live cd :(
[19:29] <eagles0513875> i have my caps lock and scroll lock on my keyboard flashing
[19:29] <alzear> Hello all, could use some help with setting up my kubuntu with two grapichs card. Anyone have any good tutorial for that with latest  version (10.04)?
[19:30] <speedvin> eagles do you tried ubuntu-minimal cd?
[19:30] <skramer_> weiß jemand, ob ICQ Multiuser Chat mit Kopete funktioniert?
[19:30] <Prabz> Hi, What's the best way to convert kubuntu 4 into a mac look-alike?
[19:31] <draik> I upgraded my netbook to the Kubuntu Netbook version and it is slow to boot. Then, when it does, it tells me the UUID is not correct (which it is) or that it is not ready.
[19:31] <draik> Once I log in, I don't have menus. Is there a package which I missed?
[19:31] <James147> safer: wonder if you can create a file on the ntfs and format that as ext....
[19:31] <eagles0513875> draik: try kubuntu-netbook not sure if that would pull the rest of the packages you might be missing
[19:31] <eagles0513875> safer: what are you trying to do do you want to access an ntfs partition with read write access
[19:32] <draik> eagles0513875: I was on the desktop version first, then I did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook"
[19:32] <eagles0513875> draik: humm ok :( then im not sure
[19:32] <James147> Prabz: we are on kubuntu 10.04 :) but look at kde-look.org for themes and stuff that look like mac
[19:32] <Prabz> James147, I am too, I meant kde4
[19:33] <safer> James147: yes, a can create an file on ntfs and format, but i don't know how it solve my problem
[19:33] <James147> safer: http://freshmeat.net/articles/virtual-filesystem-building-a-linux-filesystem-from-an-ordinary-file
[19:33] <safer> James147: ok, will read
[19:33] <James147> safer: ^^ as a work around to not being able to formate the ntfs
[19:34] <Prabz> James147, there used to be a mac clone.. any available now?
[19:34] <SuN__> how to fix a live CD without kubuntu10.04 format is there such extra
[19:34] <safer> James147: k
[19:34] <SuN__> help
[19:35] <draik> How do I remove kubuntu-netbook and replace it with kubuntu-desktop?
[19:35] <James147> Prabz: not sure, the only wa yI know of doing it would be to change everything to look like mac (kde-look.org for themes/colours/plasmoids)
[19:35] <James147> draik: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-netbook
[19:36] <Prabz> okay, know of a irc channel where I can find enthusiasts for the same?
[19:37] <James147> Prabz: nop sorry
[19:37] <speedvin> hmm tried to have look like mac
[19:37] <Prabz> James147, ok thanks for your help
[19:37] <draik> James147: Did that. Still nothing. I'm trying to load up settings and they are running, but I can't get to them.
[19:37] <Prabz> speedvin, have you been successful?
[19:37] <speedvin> I used akorae Glasgow-Curpentiono theme
[19:37] <speedvin> I think yes
[19:38] <SuN__> help
[19:38] <SuN__> how to fix a live CD without kubuntu10.04 format is there such extra
[19:38] <Prabz> speedvin, know about baghira?
[19:39] <James147> draik: not sure what you mean
[19:39] <speedvin> SuN you want to fix Live CD (I think that I don't understand you)
[19:39] <speedvin> baghira I didin't hear of it
[19:41] <speedvin> but baghira is for kde 3.X
[19:41] <draik> James147: I'm not sure how to best explain it, but nothing is usable and I can't access any menu
[19:42] <James147> draik: screenshot?
[19:42] <Prabz> speedvin, yeah.. glasgow cupertino can't do the menu bar effect
[19:42] <draik> James147: I'd like to show a video, but I can't launch a thing
[19:42] <speedvin> why not
[19:43] <James147> draik: can you alt+f2 to open krunner?
[19:43] <speedvin> I moved the buuton's to the left
[19:44] <SuN__> !fix
[19:44] <SuN__> !recovery
[19:44] <draik> James147: I tried and nothing ever came up.
[19:45] <draik> James147: But the same occurred when trying to open the Desktop Settings. It showed me that it was open, but I couldn't access it at all.
[19:45] <dio_> #ubuntu
[19:47] <James147> draik: can you acess konsole at all?
[19:48] <draik> James147: I have access to yakuake
[19:49] <alzear> Hello all, could use some help with setting up my kubuntu with two grapichs card. Anyone have any good tutorial for that with latest  version (10.04)?
[19:49] <James147> draik: try running "krunner" in it
[19:50] <draik> James147: I think I might create a new partition of 10GB or so and use it for "/", then leave the current partition for "/home"
[19:50] <draik> James147: OK. I rebooted and I'm going to run krunner in yakuake
[19:51] <James147> draik: still dosnt work after a reboot?
[19:51] <draik> James147: I'm now back to the desktop version
[19:51] <James147> draik:  good :) you having any other problems then?
[19:52] <draik> James147: Just with running the Kubuntu Netbook version. Worked well in the LiveCD, not sure why it didn't on the drive install
[19:53] <apparle> Guys it great to see activity on kubuntu channel.... I haven't see it since a long time
[19:53] <James147> apparle: i bet its because of lucid release :)
[19:54] <James147> apparle: not sure if thats good or bad ^^
[19:54] <James147> draik: whats goes wrong when you try to run the netbook version?
[20:00] <draik> James147: I'm not going back to it for now, but it wouldn't load anything for me to use. I can click on the top 3 items, but they were blank pages. I scrolled down and it only went so far before it was an empty image (grey and white checkers)
[20:01] <ner0x> So what kind of voodoo magic so I have to use to get either Xorg or nvidia-settings to setup my dual monitors properly?
[20:01] <rogesman> hey all, the wee printer applet and bluetooth icon...where are these told to load from on the system?
[20:02] <rogesman> I would like to disable their startup
[20:02] <progre55> hi guys. my kde is acting weirdly.. I have 4 desktops, and have set "different activity for each desktop" but after a restart, I cant right-click on my first desktop, and I see the "activity settings", there are no mouse activities bound.. but the other desktops seem to be fine. any suggestions, please?
[20:02] <progre55> and also some design effects have changed..
[20:03] <progre55> like it used to show a window preview when you mouse-over windows on the panel, but now it's just showing the name of the windows..
[20:03]  * oxymoron have a question, is it possible to speed up file transfers between partitions (copy, paste, cut and so on ...) and make it go like 200 MB/s (Theoreticly SATAII protocol should support 600 MB/S write speed if I remember correct)
[20:04] <oxymoron> 1 GB/S would be nice though xD
[20:06] <progre55> and also, when you are moving a window, it used to fade and become transparent.. but now it doesnt
[20:06] <reza> oxymoron: have you tried rsync?
[20:06] <oxymoron> reza: For backup yes or how do you mean? :P
[20:06] <reza> oxymoron, it's pretty fast.
[20:08] <Prabz> speedvin, how did u move the buttons to the left?
[20:08] <oxymoron> reza: Yeah I really like that backup through rsync is pretty fast :) I can live with like 50 MB/s I have now with ext4, before I only got like 20-30 MB/s, mostly when weyre talkling about copying which is slower but transfer or move files isnt exactly fast either, and network is hopeless to transfer in, even with Gigabit network xD
[20:08] <tsimpson> oxymoron: copying/moving data between partitions on the same device is always going to be slow
[20:09] <oxymoron> reza: I would like to move a movie 4.4 GB in under 5 seconds or unpack it A hell lot faster,
[20:09] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Why so?
[20:09] <reza> oxymoron, sorry I thought you were talking about moving between devices
[20:09] <tsimpson> oxymoron: because the head has to move to the read position, read data, move to the write position, write data, move back to the read position...
[20:09] <tsimpson> it's a lot of physical movement
[20:10] <reza> maybe switch to SSD. :)
[20:10] <speedvin> system settings/appearance/windows/buttons
[20:11] <rogesman> the system tray apps loaded at startup are called from ... rc.local, kdm scripts, autostart, etc? I can't seem to find the right place :-p
[20:11] <oxymoron> reza: Talking about that as well, not only move files locally ;)
[20:12] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Thats why we need new Flash drives like SSD, but hopefully they will find a better way to store data on :P
[20:12] <reza> oxymoron: transfer between devices should be faster but I'm not aware of any way to maximize it. how about setting up nfs and streaming the movie?
[20:12] <oxymoron> tsimpson: I just read about spintronic recently that MRAM technology is built upon, which mean spins of electrons around atom cores :P
[20:13] <oxymoron> reza: Yes I usually stream the movie trough NFS and my mediastreamer, but I have to move it to right folder and unpack it first ;)
[20:13] <tsimpson> when I can use my arm as a USB stick, I'll be happy
[20:14] <MurkeM> hey all, i was wondering if you could help me with an issue i'm having in IRC on Kubuntu. i'm using XChat in Kubuntu 10.04. the problem is that when i use the "@search" function that some channels have (i'm specifically asking about the one in UnderNet's #bookz) it shows that the search has been accepted but it doesn't ever send me the results of the search. i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat th
[20:14] <Aranel_> I'm having problems with KDE. It immediately logs me off to KDM after writing my username and pw. Tried moving .kde and logging with GDM, no luck. How can I log-in to KDE? Using 10.04 Lucid.
[20:15] <reza> oxymoron: I don't know your setup but it seems you could avoid the move to the right folder
[20:15] <Torch> MurkeM: if you'd used konversation, your overlong line would have been correctly split ;-)
[20:15] <saintly> hello, quick Q, is there a torrent for skype i can use in Konsole?
[20:15] <Torch> MurkeM: maybe konversation would also fix your other issues. whatever they are.
[20:15] <MurkeM> Torch: sorry, i'm using mIRC on Windows right now
[20:15] <MurkeM> and i've tried using Konversation
[20:15] <saintly> Torch: any idea?
[20:16] <reza> saintly, I don't understand your question
[20:16] <apparle> MurkeM: have you tried Quassel
[20:16] <oxymoron> reza: Yeah probably, but tvix is a little bit complex because you need a certain folder like tvixhd1 or tvixhd2 in root folder / :P
[20:16] <oxymoron> reza: tvix is the mediastreamer ;)
[20:17] <progre55> hmm... anyone know why is my first desktop has switched places with the forth desktop? but when I zoom-out, it is shown as first..
[20:17] <tsimpson> MurkeM: you should repeat the last part of the question, it got cut off after: i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat t
[20:17] <saintly> reza: you know what skype is right? does kubuntu have a package for the system that i can get via terminal
[20:17] <reza> oxymoron: oh! tvix...I'm going to exit this conversation.
[20:17] <oxymoron> reza: Well its not a serious problem, but its annoying to wait on large file transfers and then unpacking large rar archives :P
[20:17] <oxymoron> reza: What about tvix? :P
[20:17] <MurkeM> apparle: yes, i've tried Konversation, Quassel, XChat and one other IRC client but i forgot what it was. same issue in all of them
[20:18] <reza> saintly: why not just download the .deb from skype.com?
[20:18] <oxymoron> Oh right I should test if SKype works now :P
[20:18] <saintly> i already tried sudo apt-get install skype.
[20:18] <reza> just download it from the website saintly
[20:18] <oxymoron> Enable cannoncial partner ppa and you can install skype I think.
[20:18] <saintly> reza: they have it on site? hmm
[20:18] <reza> yes
[20:19] <reza> saintly: in case you're lazy. http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[20:19] <Torch> saintly: skype is propietary crap, you need to get it from them.
[20:19] <tsimpson> !skype
[20:19] <Aranel_> I'm having problems with KDE. It immediately logs me off to KDM after writing my username and pw. Tried moving .kde and logging with GDM, no luck. How can I log-in to KDE? Using 10.04 Lucid.
[20:19] <saintly> reza: lazy my a$$ :)
[20:19] <dolomite> saintly: enough to forego a google search
[20:20] <tsimpson> saintly: obfuscation is not allowed either
[20:20] <saintly> dolomite: i try to get everything via terminals, worked well for me so far, my Lucid is bugless ;) what about you?
[20:20] <MurkeM> tsimpson: the rest said "i've read in some places that it gets blocked because XChat thinks you're getting flooded, but i haven't been able to find how to fix it. any help is appreciated."
[20:20] <progre55> dolomite: hey man, I know you can help me out =)
[20:20] <apparle> Aranel_: I had that problem when I messed my harddisk space...
[20:20] <dolomite> saintly: my machine is running beautifully thanks for asking
[20:20] <tsimpson> MurkeM: what exactly is the "@search" function?
[20:21] <saintly> dolomite: sweet! :D
[20:21] <saintly> hehe
[20:21] <Aranel_> apparle: mine seems ok, 30 gig free space
[20:21] <MurkeM> tsimson: have you ever used UnderNet's #bookz channel?
[20:21] <apparle> you can login to gnome right?
[20:21] <dolomite> progre55: I keep all of my workspace in one desktop; I can't multitask
[20:22] <progre55> dolomite: =) I se
[20:22] <progre55> e
[20:22] <tsimpson> MurkeM: no, I actively avoid anything that uses 'z' instead of 's' because it's supposed to be "k00l"
[20:22] <dolomite> woo tsimpson you're on fire today
[20:23] <dolomite> progre55, you've exhausted the options in the system settings?
[20:23] <MurkeM> tsimpson: fair enough, what about IRCHighway's #ebooks? i believe it also uses @search
[20:23] <dolomite> Aranel_ can you login to either gnome or kde?
[20:24] <tsimpson> MurkeM: no I haven't. try just explaining what it does
[20:24] <Aranel_> dolomite:  I can login to gnome, can't login to KDE.
[20:24] <progre55> dolomite: yeah I've been playing around with them )
[20:24] <dolomite> Aranel_ what exactly does it do when you try to log into KDE? any errors?
[20:25] <oxymoron> Is it possible to make skype stream a DV camera without have to load v4l-start together with it? :P
[20:25] <Aranel_> dolomite: Nope, I enter my username and password, It shows the loading thing, after the first icon appears(you know, it shows some icons when loading) screen blacks out and backs to log-in screen.
[20:26] <MurkeM> tsimpson: @search followed by a keyword has a searchbot send a text file of all the books with that keyword you can get from the people in the channel
[20:26] <dolomite> Aranel_ back to the graphical login screen?
[20:26] <Aranel_> dolomite: yes, to kdm.
[20:26] <apparle> Aranel_: and you can login to gnome right?
[20:27] <bms20> help request: anyone know how to get 10.04 to sleep when the laptop lid is closed?
[20:27] <Aranel_> apparle: Yes, I can log-in to gnome without any problem.
[20:27] <dolomite> bms20: kmenu>system settings>advanced tab>power management
[20:28] <apparle> Aranel_: try removing ~/.kde ... rather backit up elsewhere
[20:28] <apparle> Aranel_: just rename it
[20:28] <tsimpson> MurkeM: does it send it via DCC? or /msg, or /notice?
[20:28] <bms20> dolomite: ok - then what? I see plenty of options, but nothing associated with laptop lid.
[20:28] <Aranel_> apparle: already tried, It showed the second icon, then crashed again.
[20:29] <MurkeM> tsimpson: DCC
[20:29] <apparle> Aranel_: no idea then.... did you upgrade from earlier version or install ubuntu 10.04 and then kubuntu-desktop?
[20:29] <tsimpson> MurkeM: are you behind a firewall or router? and if so, did you forward the appropriate ports?
[20:29] <Aranel_> apparle: upgrade from kubuntu 9.10
[20:31] <Daugha|n> Ok...I did  fresh Ubuntu 9.10 install and installed kubuntu-desktop via cli, selected kdm, yet the kde gui will not boot, I am still getting gnome. What do I need to edit to fix this?
[20:31]  * Aranel_ is back again, rebooting.
[20:32] <MurkeM> tsimpson: yes, i believe so. i'm able to download other files via DCC, it's just when i use @search that it doesn't work
[20:32] <tsimpson> Daugha|n: you need to select KDE from the login menu, before you login
[20:32] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Why didnt you install Kubuntu instead? :P
[20:32] <Daugha|n> tsimpson: I'll slapmyself a few times now.....Thanks
[20:32] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: Because I didnt feel like dling and burning off a copy of kubuntu x64.
[20:33] <c3l> Im having trouble gettin my hp laserjet 1020 working. (worked on ubuntu 9.10) when I plug it in a box pops up telling me that proprietary drivers are being installed, but nothing happens. cups can find the printer, but its status is always idle and it cannot send jobs to it. how do I fix?
[20:33] <Daugha|n> Aleready had ubuntu x64
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I am not sure, but itsnt it easier Kubuntu => Ubuntu rather than Ubuntu => Kubuntu? :P
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Aha okay :P
[20:33] <tsimpson> MurkeM: I'm not aware of any default blocking done by xchat, I guess you'll need to ask in #xchat and explain to them what you explained to me
[20:33] <dolomite> check that it exists in the printer management section of system settings c3l
[20:33] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: But I wonder, will I get the "power" of gnome if I install Ubuntu and then apply KDE upon it? :D
[20:34] <dolomite> haha. "power"
[20:34] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: Guy I am installing for doesnt *want* the 'power' of gnome.=)
[20:34] <MurkeM> tsimpson: ok, thanks.
[20:34] <c3l> dolomite: I can see it under Computer administration - Printer Configuration. its listed as a Local Printer and all settings and so seems correct, but not working
[20:34] <ForgeAus> KDE doesn't sit as well on ubuntu as gnome apps do on KDE
[20:34] <ForgeAus> (with qtcurve
[20:35] <dolomite> c3l: can you print a test page?
[20:35] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Haha alright :D Well sometimes you need Gnome crappy apps that KDE havent adopted yet :P
[20:35] <Daugha|n> ForgeAus: I have two systems that have been running perfectly fine with that arrangement.
[20:35] <c3l> dolomite: no, the job is getting sent, but nothing happens
[20:35] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: Like ntfs-config, cairo-dock and some more :P
[20:35] <ForgeAus> Daugha|n: ok maybe I'm talking historically then?
[20:36] <Daugha|n> oxymoron: ntfs-config being one issue, yes.. =)
[20:36] <dolomite> does it show up in that taskbar icon c3l?
[20:36] <ForgeAus> its not about having two systems, ubuntu-desktop + KDE is worse than kubuntu-desktop + Gnome
[20:36] <Daugha|n> ForgeAus: Possibly...I havent had any issues since 9.10
[20:36] <oxymoron> Kmag SHOULD need a new svg logo I think, it looks ugly as I dont know :D
[20:36] <ForgeAus> (of course theres no reason you can't have kubuntu-desktop + ubuntu-desktop
[20:36] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Hehe exactly, that was my point ;)
[20:37] <c3l> dolomite: well, yes.. not the printer per se but; Printer Applet: 1 document queued
[20:37] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I love that ntfs-config fixed ntfs write support which ntfs-3g already have but still, then automaticly found my ntfs partitions and ask me if I wanted to add them, then it installed ALL of them to fstab and I didnt had to manually type them in as I was going too :D
[20:38] <ForgeAus> if Lubuntu becomes official there'll be a lubuntu-Dekstop (LXDE-based)
[20:38] <ads> Is there already a new lightning plugin for thunderbird 3 in 10.4? Or should i wait with upgrade?
[20:38] <Daugha|n> Actually, this is going to be my first dual boot install, so, nice to know I wont need to do all that manually. =)
[20:38] <oxymoron> Daugha|n: I would love to ONLY use EXT* partitions but for Windows compatibility I still have NTFS for storage to access all my drives from both Linux and Windows, because Linux have better support for ntfs than Windows have for EXT* :P
[20:39] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Huh, whats Lubuntu? :O
[20:39]  * Daugha|n nods.
[20:39] <ForgeAus> there alredy is a non-offical (ie not included/supported by canonical) fluxbuntu and theres linux mint.. but no StepBuntu (or NeXTbuntu?)
[20:39] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: it hasn't happened yet but LXDE may become the next officially supported by canonical *buntu variant (like xubuntu)
[20:40] <dolomite> c3l: what if you remove any part of your printer in the printer management then set it up manually?
[20:40] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Cool, whats so good with Lubuntu that make it a *buntu family and why do we need ANOTHER *buntu distro anyway? :P
[20:40] <ForgeAus> which would mean there will (or at least would be a lubuntu-desktop package coming
[20:40] <ForgeAus> oxymoron:  I didn't suggest we needed one
[20:41] <oxymoron> I think the reason GNU/Linux isnt popular is because there is no limits, need to isolate choices of settings and distros :P
[20:41] <ForgeAus> look at PCLinuxOS its got 6 or so versions one for each alternative WM!
[20:41] <ForgeAus> well most of the alternative WM's anyway
[20:47] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Yes, GNU/Linux need to focus on less distros and trashcan the rest :P
[20:47] <oxymoron> OpenSuse, Fedora, Ubuntu/Kubuntu, ArchLinux is the most popular I think, but not sure.
[20:48] <sourcemaker> how can I fix the lvm issue "Found duplicate PV "
[20:49] <ForgeAus> Linux + GNU/OS
[20:49] <oxymoron> Thats the problem with OpenSource IMO overall, everybody does it their way and you never got anything mature, finished, polished or anything, you always hope for next release that they will solve previous bugs and same with next as a evil cycle :D
[20:50] <ForgeAus> hehe interesting that those buisnessheads tried to put a unix kernel behind Linux and call it a Unified Linux for buisness!
[20:50] <ForgeAus> (making it not Linux at all by doing that)
[20:50] <dolomite> oxymoron: you can buy windows for as little as $150 these days
[20:50] <dolomite> go for it
[20:50] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: For instance I hope now for Kubuntu 10.10 that they solve video problems first of all and some KDE minor issues :P
[20:50] <oxymoron> dolomite: I dont like Windows, thats why I am here xD
[20:50] <ForgeAus> actually Ishouldn't have called it linux myself I should have said behind GNU/OS )
[20:50] <Aranel_xchat> guys, need help: <pinotree> Aranel_xchat: ask in #kubuntu how to get a non-busted nvidia GL library
[20:50] <ForgeAus> since Linux refers to the kernel itself mostly
[20:50] <dolomite> oxymoron: no need to complain about package maturity when you're not paying for it
[20:51] <ForgeAus> (its only "general" speak that it refers to the rest of the OS along with it)
[20:51] <Aranel_xchat> I can't log-in to KDE, and #kde guys pointing to here =)
[20:51] <oxymoron> dolomite: and I will never ever support Microsoft anymore and then not pay for it, only pirate copied Windows is the one who works without limitations and block automatic updates and so on :D
[20:51] <apparle> oxymoron: I personally think if you want to get the bugs fixed you better start reading the code instead of waiting for someone to fix it
[20:51] <ForgeAus> oxymoron: LInux does have some mature apps
[20:51] <oxymoron> dolomite: Why not? xD
[20:52] <aziz> hi, downloading the dist upgrade packages is horribly slow. Are the other mirrors slow as well?
[20:52] <dominicdinada> LUCID is so processor intensive that it drains my battery so much faster than karmic, slax or bt4 whats with lucid does anybody know ?
[20:52] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah if I didnt have any life at all and only focused on programming I would definetly help, or no I would develop a new OS.
[20:52] <oxymoron> ForgeAus: Mature apps yes, but not mature distros :P
[20:52] <ForgeAus> whats bt4?
[20:53] <ForgeAus> what debian isn't a mature distro?
[20:53] <dominicdinada> backtrack 4
[20:53] <oxymoron> AND I dont say GNU/Linux and *buntu series is bad, I just trying to explain why it doesnt expand to wider audience ;)
[20:53] <ForgeAus> as much as I'd hate to admit it Fedora should be considered one too
[20:53] <ForgeAus> Slackware would be mature, I'd think
[20:53] <apparle> oxymoron: for eg: in my case, my sound card didn't detect so,,,,, I waited for about 2 years, then I decided that I am going to find the bug myself... and found that it just needed a simple quirk :D and now sound works just fine
[20:54] <ForgeAus> most other distro's are based on those main3
[20:54] <apparle> how about debian
[20:54] <ForgeAus> (even ubuntu is based on Debian)
[20:55] <MaxDamage> So, is there Adobe Flash Player for 64bit systems?
[20:56] <ForgeAus> MaxDamage: I think so, at least in Windows/Mac world not sure about Linux as yet
[20:56] <MaxDamage> ForgeAus: Is there any free alternative? :)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, if you have flashplugin-nonfree installed and kubuntu-restricted-extras as well.
[20:58] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I needed to add the backports for that, right? Sorry, I haven't used Kubuntu in a while. :P
[20:58] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah, you see ;) Well I dont have too much knowledge to design new grpahic drivers for nVidia cards and make DV cams work in v4l protocol :D
[20:58] <MaxDamage> !restricted-extras
[20:58] <MaxDamage> !flashplayer
[20:58] <oxymoron> apparle: I could redesign icon protocol in *buntu though if I may :D
[20:59] <oxymoron> apparle: An icon store application that sort out all icons on computer and so you can setup everything.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, you got it :)
[20:59] <apparle> oxymoron: :D once I buy a new graphic card I am sure I will get to graphics stuff also
[20:59] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I guess I do remember some things after all. :)
[21:00] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, good  :)
[21:00] <oxymoron> apparle: More and more I have got closer to core to fix bugs and things that annoys me, I have looked a little on linux kernel source code for instance :P Then I have been fixing around with grub, v4l, nvidia settings, x and so on.
[21:00] <MaxDamage> While I'm here, last time I used Kubuntu, videos seemed pixelated when playing in Fullscreen, while they looked fine when played in Windows (BSPlayer)
[21:01] <oxymoron> apparle: I have programming skills as well so thats not an issue. The issue is "lazyness", time and priority (I want to do a lot of other things as well)
[21:01] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, which graphics card ?
[21:01] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: nVidia 8600 GTS with proprietary drivers.
[21:03] <apparle> oxymoron: :D I am sure you have programming skills.... I am on the way of gaining them :D but if you are using a free software based on community, you have to give back something :D but again lazyness wins
[21:03] <MaxDamage> apparle: That's the whole idea of OpenSource, isn't it? :)
[21:05] <apparle> MaxDamage: ya ..... If only I had some knowledge on fixing the Radeon driver then my computer would have run linux as fast as windows xD
[21:05] <MaxDamage> Heh
[21:05] <MaxDamage> apparle: What's wrong with the Radeon driver?
[21:06] <BluesKaj> aha proprietary, MaxDamage , drop to a tty and remove the existing driver and install nvidia-current driver, you'l need to stop X first tho , then restart it. here's atutorial I copied a while back that still works. http://pastebin.com/GukN1NaR.
[21:06] <apparle> MaxDamage: the open source driver doesn't give any proper acceleration and ATI has turned its back on me
[21:07] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I'll bookmark that and I'll do it later. :)
[21:07] <MaxDamage> Thanks a lot.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> np, MaxDamage :)
[21:08] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: That's a wonderful tutorial. Precise and to the point.
[21:08] <MaxDamage> Though, when I tried installing it last time it said about me missing some complation environment or something
[21:09] <oxymoron> apparle: Open SOurce will always be free and the idea of it is not to require using people to provide something but its good if people do of course ;) I just dont want to do small things, I want the whole thing go good directly in one single piece of work and not only provide some minor bug patches and so on.
[21:09] <jonathan__> hello!
[21:09] <MaxDamage> Hey, jonathan__.
[21:09] <MaxDamage> :)
[21:09] <dolomite> hi jonathan__
[21:09] <jonathan__> could someone please paste me the contents of /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[21:10] <jonathan__> the problem is I'm using arch now and need the list of hd card models, but the file doesn't exist here...
[21:10] <oxymoron> apparle: I got the perfect OS name to conquer OS throne, "Doors", it will knock Windows hard and throw Jobs trhough the door :D
[21:11] <apparle> oxymoron: I want the world to be very very rich..... if only I got what I want :D I am going to buy Doors if its not free :D
[21:11] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: How would you do that? Actually make an out-of-the-box Linux distro that "just works"? :P
[21:12] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage, a lot of ppl make the mistake of trying install anew driver while their existing one is running , hence the tty and disabling X. the new driver appears to install but does not,and defaults to the original
[21:12] <oxymoron> apparle: No, you really want to be rich yourself, the human mankind always want egoism, money, control and power :P Haha if its not free :D Small fee then xD
[21:13] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: Well, I did stop X. :)
[21:13] <BluesKaj> good
[21:13] <MaxDamage> BluesKaj: I mainly wanted that driver, because HD videos on YouTube were very slow.
[21:13] <BluesKaj> ok,bbl...
[21:13] <MaxDamage> I thought it would help...
[21:14] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Hmm not sure if I should built it upon Linux kernel or do everything from scratch :P But I dont think I am going to do it any day, only maybe. And it will work smoothly and out of the box and make it extremly modular so you can just append modules like grpahic drivers for instance and separate nvidia, ati and so on but all of them can use same core :P
[21:14] <dolomite> jonathan__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426616/
[21:14] <apparle> oxymoron: who cares about how much money others have got......... as long as I have lots of it to spend... I won't mind other's being richer... But that was a typing mistake... ya *I* want to be rich
[21:15] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: That's a good cause. :P
[21:15] <voicu> is the sound in flash broken or is it just me?
[21:15] <MaxDamage> voicu: It's you. Mine worked out-of-the-box
[21:15] <MaxDamage> :)
[21:16] <voicu> well i'm glad to hear that :P
[21:16] <voicu> wait
[21:16] <voicu> i think i have that opensource thingy
[21:16] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Would love to see modular motherboards on the market as well to append new computer components and remove chipsets and replace them with your own and so on :P I think the perfect OS would focus on graphics and Internet/Web, thats the future IMO :P
[21:16] <voicu> yeah, my bad
[21:16] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: Indeed.
[21:16] <oxymoron> apparle: I can go on with the money thing and humans but its to much off topic :P
[21:17] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Google Chrome OS have understand that someway, but not completly.
[21:18] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Then integrate/sync BIOS with MRAM or RAM overall, Virtualize CPU Cores completly and make it easy append new modules to the core and separate base core and some kind of desktop/disto core :P
[21:19] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: If you do that, you'll be worshiped. :P
[21:19] <apparle> oxymoron: I would worship you
[21:19] <MaxDamage> Haha
[21:19] <MaxDamage> See? :)
[21:19] <dolomite> daydreaming again oxymoron?
[21:19] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Not only worshiped, I would go rich as hell and famous over the world like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, hahahaha :D
[21:19] <oxymoron> dolomite: Yeah I guess xD :D
[21:20] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: Fulfill your aspirations. :P
[21:20] <MaxDamage> I can't learn programming, it's too time consuming. (Though if I find a simple tutorial to get me started I'd be unstoppable :P) But if you can program an OS, do it.
[21:20] <dolomite> MaxDamage: said like a true motivational speaker
[21:20] <MaxDamage> dolomite: Mhm. :P
[21:21] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Yeah maybe, but if I start I am not sure if I can stop, I will do it as a life purpose :D But if Linus Torwalds and Mark something have developed complex shit under their lifetime, why shouldnt I be able to do it :P
[21:21] <MaxDamage> There you go!
[21:22] <MaxDamage> If you need help with the graphics feel free to ask me :P
[21:22] <MaxDamage> I'm looking to get back in the good fight, haha.
[21:22] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Bill Gates and his pals sat in a freaking garage with Coke all day long before and forced the PC market with WIndows licenses over the world through Silicon Valley, they became rich eraly :P Too bad Gates have Asperger (As I have heard) that he dress like a I dont know :P That thing I cannot understand, why is rich guys so ugly dressed? :D
[21:23] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: You'll set an example, then. :P
[21:23] <apparle> oxymoron: come on... start off today
[21:24] <oxymoron> MaxDamage: Hehe maybe some day, maybe some day ;) It depends what happens with my master of engineering examination I must say. If it goes to hell then I think I go and start my freaking OS :D
[21:25] <MaxDamage> I hope it goes to Hell then. xD
[21:25] <apparle> oxymoron: I am passing out Btech Electronics.. tell me if you ever need help... motherboard and stuff :P
[21:25] <oxymoron> apparle: Yeah, maybe I will actually but I want to finish my web framework and blog first so I can blog about it and my life overall :D Seriously, it cant be that hard develop a OS and a kernel :P
[21:25] <MaxDamage> See? Now you got a whole team. :P
[21:25] <oxymoron> Haha awesome, a team already! :P
[21:25] <apparle> oxymoron: I can attack the motherboards and stuff....
[21:26] <MaxDamage> I can take care of the graphics.
[21:26] <demersus> You could do what our pal Linus did and develop  a kernel that is compatible with GNU stuff
[21:26] <oxymoron> Maybe we actually can do it for real, its not impossible :)
[21:26] <MaxDamage> (Shiny n stuff)
[21:26] <oxymoron> apparle: motherboards, BIOS and that, MaxDamage: Grpahics and maybe more things. Hmm what should I do, the core and overall structure? :P
[21:27]  * tsimpson double-checks
[21:27] <tsimpson> nope, this is #kubuntu
[21:27] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Haha :D
[21:27] <apparle> oxymoron: ya sure
[21:27] <apparle> tsimpson: sorry
[21:27] <oxymoron> Hey guys we go over too #kubuntu-offtopic instead ;)
[21:27] <apparle> sure
[21:27] <tsimpson> and you wonder why -ot is always dead, everyone talks here instead
[21:28] <dolomite> good call simpson
[21:28] <apparle> tsimpson: because discussion start off from actual problems discussed here
[21:28] <semistud2354> can someone tell me how to turn OFF the upgrade notification?
[21:28] <MaxDamage> Okay, lets go to offtopic then :P
[21:28] <semistud2354> i dont want to upgrade to 10.04
[21:30] <semistud2354> is that possible?
[21:31] <MaxDamage> semistud2354: There should be a "Don't show this again" option.
[21:31] <semistud2354> i checked the box and said NO
[21:32] <semistud2354> but its still poping up..
[21:32] <Ilya-X> can someone let me know if the Ubuntu Software Manager is fully compatible with Kubuntu, or would I experience any problems if I use it instead of KPackageKit? (I do not have GNOME installed, only KDE)
[21:32] <MaxDamage> oxymoron: #kubuntu-offtopic you're needed there. :P
[21:33] <apparle> Ilya-X: why do you need the softwae manager... agreed its cool and stuff but still nothing beats apt-get
[21:34] <Ilya-X> because I want to see a categorized list of available software that I can download, rather than having to research program titles individually elsewhere
[21:34] <Daugha|n> UBuntu software center. :P
[21:35] <Ilya-X> Daugha|n: yeah, I'm here asking if it's 100% compatible with Kubuntu or not (I only have KDE, not GNOME). Do you know?
[21:35] <Ilya-X> meaning, would it install the software correctly? would it go into appropriate menus within the KDE menu structure? etc
[21:35] <Daugha|n> Yes and no....The prob is, not all listed apps say if they are gnome or kde based.
[21:36] <Daugha|n> I use both, so, I dont know what you would get trying to install a gnome app in kde.
[21:36] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with kpackagekit?
[21:36] <Daugha|n> Never used it. =)
[21:36] <krezkey> Hey ! has anyone noticed that the vertical and horizontal setting in the wallpaper settings panel are wrong still.
[21:37] <apparle> Ilya-X: my suggesion use the software centre to find the app and then install it via command line/kpackagekit... so no installation problems
[21:37]  * ForgeAus misses adept
[21:37] <MaxDamage> ForgeAus: Me too :(
[21:38] <ForgeAus> around Gutsy or so was good
[21:40] <Ilya-X> I'm somewhat new to Linux, so I just had trouble getting something as simple as Pidgin installed. Searched "pidgin" in kpackagekit, and it returned two pages worth of pidgin-related downloads (plugins, etc)... I had to read the description of every single one until I found the core pidgin app
[21:40] <apparle> ForgeAus: I also miss it
[21:40] <Ilya-X> so it's kind of not user-friendly at all, imho
[21:40] <apparle> Ilya-X: what is wrong with kopete
[21:40] <ForgeAus> lol Ilya-X
[21:40] <Ilya-X> I use kopete now :) I just wanted to download pidgin as well
[21:40] <ForgeAus> thats not about user-friendliness
[21:40] <ForgeAus> just about package swamping mostly
[21:41] <ForgeAus> pidgin probably added chunks of Gnome too
[21:41] <Ilya-X> ForgeAus: I haven't used Ubuntu much, but I believe its software center app lists the core software downloads individually, or highlights them in some manner... I might be wrong
[21:42] <ForgeAus> IM's are kewl but so yesterday in the face of microblogging
[21:42] <ForgeAus> many package managers categorize in various ways
[21:43] <Ilya-X> kpackagekit doesn't have any categorization whatsoever, that's what I'm kind of whining about right now
[21:44] <apparle> Ilya-X: usually for installing software..... find the app by google and then use "sudo apt-get install pidgin" not that difficult.... never think I would need a software center
[21:44] <anoneemouse> hi... after i upgraded to lucid my the ky next to <(on the right) produces a | character
[21:44] <anoneemouse> its difficult to explain since I can't type that character at all
[21:44] <skierpage> I run nightly 64-bit Firefox from http://ftp.mozilla.org in Kubuntu Lucid, but System Settings > Default Applications and other KDE machinery are unaware.  I assume I need to integrate a .desktop file... ??!
[21:45] <anoneemouse> i had the same problem in 9.04 but it was gone in 9.10, now its back
[21:45] <ForgeAus> apparle: firstly thatsnot difficult for a cli wizard but lots of people are looking for GUI solutions
[21:45] <ForgeAus> especially those unexperienced users...
[21:46] <Ilya-X> apparle: I actually think I like your earlier suggestion of using ubuntu software manager as a browser, since it would be pretty time-consuming to simply search for software on Google or kpackagekit without knowing where to start
[21:46] <apparle> ForgeAus: apt-get is not something that needs a cli wizard and usually the gui stuff don't show the error messages that sometime occur while install/uninstall of soem apps
[21:47] <anoneemouse> does someone know what could be causing my problem
[21:47] <anoneemouse> ?
[21:48] <apparle> anoneemouse: check if you have chosen the correct keyboard layou
[21:50] <anoneemouse> I disabled keyboard layouts
[21:50] <Walzmyn> I upgraded while Lucid was in Beta 2. In startup where I should have a pretty splash screen, I have a ugly purple background with scattered text. How do 	I fix this?
[21:50] <anoneemouse> brb
[21:51] <draik> I just upgraded my desktop to 10.04 and I don't have a desktop. I can run yakuake, but that's it. Everything else is pitch black.
[21:52] <Walzmyn> Also, when I burn a disk with K3b the trumpet fanfare is only one note. Anybody else having this issue?
[21:52] <draik> Anyone else get and resolve that issue?
[21:52] <Walzmyn> draik did you have desktop effects turned on?
[21:53] <draik> Walzmyn: I don't know. I don't have anything to go on. The only thing which launched was yakuake, it seems.
[21:53] <anoneemouse> nope... still displays the wrong character
[21:53] <anoneemouse> >>>
[21:53] <draik> I have no desktop to see any options
[21:54] <anoneemouse> kate shows the right character <>
[21:54] <Walzmyn> draik: i meant before the upgrade. I don't know what yakuake is. It sounds like you've got the special effects turned on, but you are using the nv driver - no 3d
[21:54] <Walzmyn> draik: i had that problem upgrading to 9.10
[21:55] <draik> Walzmyn: Yes, I did before the upgrade.
[21:55] <skierpage> Might the kubuntu-firefox-installer package integrate Firefox nightly better with Kubuntu?  As I said, just a frickin' .desktop file would go a long way...
[21:56] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Hi friends
[21:56] <draik> Walzmyn: Going to reboot this desktop. BRB
[21:56] <Walzmyn> draik: I would be my guess you either need to get desktop effects turned off or upgrade you propritary drive, good luck with either one
[21:56] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Is there a way to disable app launch effects ?
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Alt + F1 - very slow here
[21:57] <anoneemouse> yes there is Greylica_Ivan_Pa
[21:57] <anoneemouse> system settings
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> Hi, how ?
[21:57] <anoneemouse> descktop
[21:57] <anoneemouse> launch feedback
[21:57] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> doing
[21:58] <anoneemouse> i've disabled my bouncing icons and opted for the taskbar notification only... which is just a small spinning animation
[21:59] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> :) Thanks anoneemouse
[21:59] <draik> Walzmyn: Rebooting did the trick. Weird. Is there a way to remove the Ubuntu splash screen for that of the Kubuntu splash screen?
[21:59] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> I've found
[22:00] <anoneemouse> np :)
[22:01] <Greylica_Ivan_Pa> adapting myself to the new
[22:01] <ForgeAus> theres a u-splash   (I think thats one of the bootup gfx screens
[22:01] <ForgeAus> whatever package thats in is the one you want
[22:02] <draik> How do I change the startup splash screen. Right now, it has the Ubuntu screen with the 4 dots. I want the Kubuntu screen.
[22:05] <blackgraz> love the new kubuntu and the netbook remix
[22:05] <blackgraz> took alil getting used to
[22:05] <ForgeAus> really?
[22:06] <anoneemouse> >>
[22:09] <Walzmyn> draik: hey, was eating. I have that same question. Ubuntu one is ugly
[22:10] <anoneemouse> my spash screen looks hideous. I'm using NVidia drivers
[22:10] <draik>  I have the Kubuntu splash screen on my laptop and netbook, but my desktop has the Ubuntu splash screen with it's purpleness
[22:10] <Roger_Dogood> Yes, on initial install my nice blue kubuntu splash screen looked amazing but after I installed the Nvidia drivers it's terrible. All garbled and low resolution.
[22:11] <draik> Gone through every section of the System Settings and found nothing.
[22:11] <anoneemouse> yup Roger_Dogood, it's because the NVidia driovers don't support the splash screen for some reason
[22:11] <Roger_Dogood> :(
[22:11] <anoneemouse> i also had high resolution text mode, which was cool while it lasted
[22:12] <anoneemouse> but my upgrade had bad consequences, all the problems that i had in 9.04 are back
[22:14] <Roger_Dogood> anoneemouse: I did a clean install, I have all the problems of somone just starting in KDE desktop for the first time. Just trying to feel my way around. I hope to stumble onto a fix for the splash screen though.
[22:14] <draik> FOUND IT \o/
[22:14] <anoneemouse> Roger_Dogood: it has something to do with the drivers... the only fix is to use another driver but then you wont have 3d acceleration
[22:14] <draik> System Settings > Appearance > Splash Screen
[22:15] <draik> If not installed, click on Install New Themes
[22:15] <draik> Install the Kubuntu theme
[22:15] <draik> NOTE: There is a Kubuntu with Ubuntu colors.. NOT what you want.
[22:15] <Roger_Dogood> draik: isn't that the after login splash screen? I think Anoneemouse and I are talking about the blue kubuntu boot splash screen.
[22:15] <draik> Close the install and click on Apply
[22:16] <wardred> ?  Is it not well integrated?
[22:16] <anoneemouse> yeah we're talking about the boot screen draik
[22:16] <wardred> The KDE with Ubuntu colors.
[22:16] <draik> Ah, drat.
[22:16] <Roger_Dogood> Yeah, the login splash screen looks great and fades into the desktop beautifully.
[22:17] <anoneemouse> Roger_Dogood: kubuntu uses plymouth now, which needs KMS support, which the proprietary NVidia drivers don't have. <- dont ask me what ll that means, just googled it
[22:17] <Roger_Dogood> I guess we have to hope nVidia will support it soon, I can deal with a garbled boot screen over no 3d acceleration.
[22:17] <draik> anoneemouse: Yeah, that's another one that I want to get cleared up, too.
[22:18] <anoneemouse> same here... luckily nvidia update their driver quite often. But if they don't fix it soon enough i might go whine on the nvidia linux forum
[22:19] <blackgraz> so that wasent just me having issues
[22:19] <blackgraz> and i tried to do dual displays
[22:20] <blackgraz> the sencond one was like lagging i couldnt drag any windows to it
[22:21] <draik> Logged out and back in. So far, I've got the login as I want it. Now, to the boot screen
[22:22] <draik> Has anyone tried this yet?     // die($upquery . print_r($_POST));
[22:22] <draik> Whoops
[22:22] <draik> Has anyone tried this ---> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[22:23] <mavallad> Does someone have the problem that the menu editor shortcuts don't work?
[22:23] <anoneemouse> I found the bug on ubuntu bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/526892
[22:24] <erinaceus_> morning, i was wondering where the themes files for the login dialog are located? Anyone knows?
[22:24] <mavallad> I have tried multiple mappings to start dolphin but non of them seems to work
[22:26] <draik> anoneemouse: What about the following package:  startupmanager - Grub, Usplash and Splash screen configuration
[22:29] <anoneemouse> draik: as far as i know they don't use usplash anymore, thye use plymouth
[22:30] <draik> anoneemouse: Oh. That might make my searching even better.
[22:30] <blackgraz> anyone else use netbook remix and try to copy drag n drop like gigs of files dolphin crashes?
[22:31] <anoneemouse> i might have found a fix
[22:31] <anoneemouse> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[22:35] <Roger_Dogood> anoneemouse: That's awesome! I'm going to restart and see how it looks.
[22:36] <anoneemouse> i hope it doesn't break your system
[22:36] <anoneemouse> i'm afraid to try it...
[22:36] <Roger_Dogood> Meh, this is a clearn install all I've done is mess with settings. I'll be the rat for this experiment.
[22:39] <Roger_Dogood> anoneemouse: well it worked.
[22:39] <jrolland-MacBook> Help! I just upgraded to Jaunty from Intrepid after nerfing my x-server with http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2 and now kde won't start!
[22:40] <jrolland-MacBook> (I can provide any data you want)
[22:40] <Roger_Dogood> Sorta, It looks pretty again, colors are all correct. However, the logo is off center. It's to the far left.
[22:40] <anoneemouse> wow... what resolution did you use?
[22:41] <Roger_Dogood> anoneemouse: my native resolution of 1680x1050
[22:41] <jrolland-MacBook> (I tried to upgrade to KDe 4.2.2 on Intrepid following tbe webpage's instructions, and it nerfed my GUI)
[22:41] <Roger_Dogood> It was perfectly cenetered vertically.
[22:41] <anoneemouse> hmm i'm going to try it
[22:41] <anoneemouse> i have that same resoultion
[22:41] <anoneemouse> brb
[22:41] <Roger_Dogood> Okay
[22:42] <jrolland-MacBook> "startkde" produces "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server"
[22:43] <jrolland-MacBook> I used envyng to install Nvidia drivers - they were not "recommeded" - not sure if that was a mistake
[22:46] <jrolland-MacBook> Please, can someone hear me?
[22:47] <MaxDamage> jrolland-MacBook: Probably your video card is not supported.
[22:47] <MaxDamage> or too new?
[22:47] <jrolland-MacBook> It worked under Intrepid
[22:47] <MaxDamage> No idea, then. Are you using 10.04?
[22:47] <jrolland-MacBook> It's a used computer
[22:47] <jrolland-MacBook> I'm using Jaunty
[22:48] <jrolland-MacBook> PDS
[22:48] <jrolland-MacBook> Would you like the output from lshw?
[22:48] <MaxDamage> Yeah, sure.
[22:49] <jrolland-MacBook> Product: 82865G Itegrated Graphics sontroller
[22:49] <jrolland-MacBook> ventor: Intel Corporation
[22:49] <jrolland-MacBook> How do i reinstall my drivers?
[22:50] <jrolland-MacBook> kdm *is* working
[22:50] <jrolland-MacBook> just startkde fails
[22:50] <jrolland-MacBook> "Controller", not "sontroller"
[22:50] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: why not 10.04
[22:51] <jrolland-MacBook> I was using Jaunty, and I'd like to ge this working so I can GUI up to Karmic
[22:51] <jrolland-MacBook> Try again, I was using Intrepid
[22:52] <anoneemouse> mine is also on the left Roger_Dogood
[22:52] <anoneemouse> what bugs me is my ttys aren't working right
[22:52] <jrolland-MacBook> I think the problem is following http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2 nerfed my GUi, so I'll have problems with any version until I get this fixed
[22:52] <UbuntuLily> how do you do a check of physical disk in kUbuntu
[22:53] <Roger_Dogood> Hmm.
[22:53] <jrolland-MacBook> startx gives "No devices found"; any ideas
[22:54] <anoneemouse> jrolland-MacBook: sounds like an x onfiguration issue
[22:54] <anoneemouse> *configuration
[22:54] <jrolland-MacBook> OK, can you help me troubleshoot
[22:54] <jrolland-MacBook> ?
[22:54] <anoneemouse> what graphics card do you have?
[22:54] <jrolland-MacBook> Product: 82865G Itegrated Graphics sontroller
[22:54] <jrolland-MacBook> ventor: Intel Corporation
[22:54] <jrolland-MacBook> Product: 82865G Itegrated Graphics Controller
[22:56] <Roger_Dogood> Well, I'm going to take off. Thanks for the help anoneemouse!
[22:56] <anoneemouse> np
[22:56] <jrolland-MacBook> Yes, thanks anoneemouse
[22:57] <anoneemouse> do you get this error jrolland-MacBook: "(EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found."
[22:57] <jrolland-MacBook> Yes!
[22:57] <anoneemouse> try the following command: xorg -config
[22:57] <jrolland-MacBook> sudo?
[22:57] <anoneemouse> or maybe.. sudo xorg -config
[22:58] <anoneemouse> yup :)
[22:58] <jrolland-MacBook> no "xorg: command not found"
[22:58] <jrolland-MacBook> Actually, "sudo: xorg: command not found"
[22:59] <anoneemouse> try "sudo Xorg -config"
[22:59] <anoneemouse> note the capital letter
[23:00] <jrolland-MacBook> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690760
[23:01] <anoneemouse> did you try Xorg - configure
[23:03] <rogesman> anyone know how i can permanently remove the printer applet in sys tray?
[23:04] <apparle> rogesman: I would also love that
[23:04] <anoneemouse> seconded
[23:04] <anoneemouse> i'm looking for it now
[23:04] <rogesman> apparle: seems to be loaded as "python"
[23:06] <anoneemouse> i'd also like to switch off the bluetooth applet
[23:07] <rogesman> anoneemouse: I removed the bluetooth icon using kpackage
[23:07] <rogesman> anoneemouse: and looks like i can do the same with printer thing...hang on
[23:07] <anoneemouse> im not sure i want to remove printing and bluetooth support...
[23:07] <anoneemouse> i just to disable it
[23:07] <apparle> anoneemouse: I think you cna remove the file kbluetooth.desktop from somewhere.... I just don't rember
[23:08] <anoneemouse> ah
[23:08] <jrolland-MacBook> anoneemouse: OK, that worked; THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
[23:08] <rogesman> anoneemouse: yip, removed printer applet using kpackage :-)
[23:08] <setas> русские есть?
[23:08] <anoneemouse> np jrolland-MacBook :)
[23:11] <jrolland-MacBook> Actually, now my windows don't have lines at the top or close buttons
[23:12] <jrolland-MacBook> I can't move, close, or resize windows
[23:12] <jrolland-MacBook> This sucks!
[23:12] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: check if you killed the plasma or kwin
[23:12] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: I think a restart will fix that
[23:14] <lord_stephen> hi there! I have one problem here, my kubuntu don't turn off...
[23:14] <lord_stephen> someone has any idea about it?
[23:15] <apparle> lord_stephen: turn off means
[23:15] <apparle> it doesn't shutdown?
[23:16] <jrolland-MacBook> apparle: OK, trying that
[23:17] <jrolland-MacBook> apparle: Plasma and kwin may not be installed (don't ask); how do I install them?
[23:17] <tim_> hello
[23:17] <tim_> how do i upgrade my kubuntu
[23:17] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: what....... you have kubuntu-desktop packge installed right?
[23:18] <tim_> how do i upgrade my kubuntu
[23:19] <jrolland-MacBook> It's screwy; I tried upgrading KDE in Intrepid, it  removed a bunch of packages, failed and didn't install new packages, so now I need to install them myself
[23:19] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: "sudo apt-get -f install"
[23:19] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: that should fix stuff
[23:19] <lord_stephen> no! doesn't matter if i turn off or restart
[23:20] <lord_stephen> it stops in the plymouth screen
[23:20] <jrolland-MacBook> aparle: Sorry, "0 upgraded", etc.
[23:21] <lord_stephen> my system is kubuntu 10.04 final
[23:21] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: installl kubuntu-desktop "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[23:22] <jrolland-MacBook> apparle: OK, cool, working
[23:23] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: working as in?
[23:24] <jrolland-MacBook> Yes, it's installing tons of stuff; THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[23:24] <jrolland-MacBook> I'll let you know when it's done installing if it worked
[23:26] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: after that's done... I recommend... "sudo dpkg --configure -a" that would reconfigure all the packges
[23:27] <jrolland-MacBook> YES, IT WORKED!
[23:27] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: and another thing.... if you don't care about your settings... delete ~/.kde
[23:27] <jrolland-MacBook> apparle: OK, will configure -a
[23:28] <jrolland-MacBook> OK, THANKS AGAIN SO MUCH!
[23:28] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: I recommend renaming ~/.kde because it does happen that software change and with them settings change.... renaming would give you a backup
[23:29] <apparle> jrolland-MacBook: you should have said earlier.. it was an upgrade problem
[23:29] <jrolland-MacBook> Available help from people like you is what gives (K)Ubuntu a good name
[23:44] <apparle> jrolland-ubuntu: so finally you have everything done?
[23:54] <Reallycool> I installed kubuntu and my usplash disappeared, is there any way to restore the default ubuntu usplash?
[23:55] <shorter> anyone having audio noise issues after recent karmic update?
[23:56] <jaem> hello.  I have a friend who I installed Kubuntu 9.10 for some months ago, and I enabled the (stable) kubuntu backports PPA for a more recent KDE SC
[23:56] <jaem> Is that going to be an issue if he wants to do an upgrade to Lucid
[23:56] <jaem> ?
[23:59] <apparle> jaem: I think he should disable themm... but I can't say.. I don't know