[09:38] <Drecondius> Hello
[09:38] <Drecondius> anybody here that can answer a question?
[10:33] <miha> i hope gnome/ubuntu will one day understand it's ugly to pack useless addon software in core package. i'd prefer thunderbird to evolution, but how to remove evolution without removign gnome. same for 2 obsolete mozilla derivates... if ubuntu had market share half of M$ you'd face huge trials for this :D
[10:35] <jpds> miha: You can't, evolution forms a central part of GNOME?
[10:38] <miha> well IE makes central part of windows, but M$ was forced to offer choice.
[10:39] <miha> windows update only works with IE
[10:39] <miha> still users can remove IE :D
[10:40] <miha> jpds not that i care about wasting GB's.. just a thought
[10:43] <jpds> miha: I still think it's a GNOME uptream problem, not ours.
[10:46] <joaopinto> miha, I am not sure what you are refering to, you can safely remove evolution
[10:46] <joaopinto> jpds, upstream are our problems too, it works on both directions
[10:46] <jpds> I've just tried here, and it seems to only want to remove evolution-* packages.
[10:51] <JanC> miha: you can easily remove evolution without removing all of gnome?
[10:54] <miha> cool. ok, what about emphaty and emphiphany (cant find that package) ?
[10:54] <miha> :D
[10:55] <miha> pidgin will go to, there's no match for amsn :D
[12:48] <switchgirl> anyone found a fix for Bug 569543
[12:48] <switchgirl> ?
[16:24] <joaopinto> hi
[16:24] <joaopinto> my gnome theme randomly fails to apply on login, what log should I check and which package should I file the bug against ?
[17:34] <desrt> is anyone else experiencing indicator-applet growing to eat 10GB of memory?
[18:47] <JanC> joaopinto: sounds like the gnome settings daemon doesn't load (correctly) or something
[18:47] <joaopinto> JanC, I have checked .xsessions-error and there was an error about gnome settings
[18:48] <joaopinto> I will file a bug on the next occurrence, the issue is not 100% reproducible, happened on 3/6 boots today
[18:49] <ccheney> anyone know why lucid can't play back hdv format anymore?
[18:49] <joaopinto> when the problem happens there are other gnome session startup apps which fail, like tomboy, reporting that tomboy dbus is not available
[18:49]  * ccheney is working on tracking down when it broke
[18:51] <JanC> joaopinto: it's related to programs in the session being started in parallel I think (which makes things faster, but sometimes causes weird issues like that)
[18:51] <joaopinto> JanC, do you know if there is a bug report about it ?
[18:51] <JanC> some sort of race condition I suppose
[18:51] <JanC> I suppose there are many  ☺
[18:51] <JanC> but no idea about a master bug or such
[18:52] <joaopinto> I have noted that gnome-do sometimes dos not start on the startup, I guess it might be related
[22:19] <ccheney> it appears gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly between 9.04 and 9.10 dropped support for HDV
[22:22]  * ccheney checks to see if this is a regression from hardy-lucid
[22:23] <ccheney> annoying in any case, i can't play my video camera video anymore, hadn't tried in a while since my move and it doesn't work anymore :-\
[22:26] <ccheney> it looks like between 9.04 and 9.10 it actually started detecting what type of video it is, but then stopped playing it
[22:39] <ccheney> yea worked in 8.04 also
[22:40] <ccheney> so this appears to be a issue of better detection then refusal to play, and/or code was removed
[22:40]  * ccheney checks 9.10 again closer to see if it did work there
[22:42] <ccheney> prior to 9.10 it did not detect the video well enough so you had to manually install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly to play it, now it does detect it but says there is no codec to play it
[22:44] <mdeslaur> ccheney: what progress :)
[22:45] <ccheney> mdeslaur: yea
[22:45] <ccheney> mdeslaur: looking at 9.10 closer to make sure the codec didn't maybe just move somewhere
[22:47]  * ccheney looks in changelog also to see if it was purposely broken
[22:48] <ccheney> nothing in debian changelog at least
[22:49] <ccheney> and no noticable bugs in debian or ubuntu about it
[22:52] <ccheney> we just pull directly from debian apparently so i guess i should ping him to see
[23:04] <ccheney> hmm actually it did work if i just cancel out of the screen that tells me i need another codec
[23:04] <ccheney> very weird
[23:06] <ccheney> hmm now it doesn't play anymore, wtf
[23:07] <ccheney> ok I got it to play but it does tell me it doesn't have the codec to play and seems a little crashy, played fine on 9.04 and before without the claim of no codec
[23:10] <ccheney> so it seems to be primarily it has no clue it already has the codec to play and complains for every file it attempts to play
[23:11] <ccheney> if you ignore the complaint it then does work