[02:02] godbyk: thx for the lime survey invite [02:02] and thanks for setting it up [02:02] IlyaHaykinson: No problem. [02:02] I've set you up as an admin. [02:02] Feel free to play around. [02:02] I just got it online. [02:02] I haven't really set up anything yet. [02:02] (I have no idea what I'm doing.) [02:02] I'll turn it over to you and let you have at it. :) [02:02] okie dok. [02:03] Let me know if you run into any problems. [03:55] !l [03:55] .977 Sweeper - 194 (http://icecast3.977music.com/hitz) [03:55] Factoid 'l' not found [03:55] !l [03:55] Shaggy - Luv Me, Luv Me (http://icecast3.977music.com/hitz) [08:04] hmm [08:04] * humphreybc is doing a python lab [08:04] here's the question [08:05] song = "The rain in Spain..." [08:05] "Describe the relationship between ' '.join(song.split()) and song. Are they the same for all strings? When would they be different? [08:14] I have no idea what it means by 'describe the relationship'. [08:14] i asked in #nzpug [08:14] It'll split song into space-delimited tokens and piece them back together separating by spaces. [08:15] basically, they would almost be the same except that split() skips over multiple spaces [08:15] I think that split() by default will not return the empty elements, so that line would remove double spaces. [08:15] but I could be wrong. [08:15] sweet! so I'm write then. (or at least in agreement with them.) [08:15] crap.. s/write/right/ [08:16] that's embarrassing. :) [08:17] ha!!! [08:17] that is SO embarassing [08:17] oops [08:17] embarrassing* [08:19] gah [08:19] see if you can help me with this one [08:21] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/d6BconKvLH [08:22] * humphreybc dislikes programming [08:29] * humphreybc gives up [08:31] lol [08:31] it's not so bad. [08:31] did you learn for loops? [08:31] yeah but i've always been shit at for loops [08:31] actually, make that loops in general [08:31] ah, well, we're going to use a for loop. [08:31] so you'll have to get the hang of it. [08:32] * humphreybc feels unbelievably stupid [10:10] morning o/ [10:15] morning! [10:18] hey thorwil, how are you? [10:19] ubuntujenkins: i'm fine. just recovering from stepping into the ubuntu wiki to create a main page for the next release [10:19] lol [10:19] oh how i would love to see more intelligence and etherpad like editing there. with a theme that doesn't look like a half-assed attempt from the 90ies [10:20] ubuntujenkins: and you? [10:20] I am good, going to do lots of uni work today. [10:22] ah university ... those where the days when i still had a perfectly fine place in society and things seemed to progress on a clear path :) [10:23] I have to much work unfortnatly not enought time to code quickshot at the moment. can't wait till I finish and have time to do so. [10:43] thorwil: do you have skype? [10:43] humphreybc: yes. my spoken english is horrible, though [10:46] humphreybc: http://www.reinteract.org/trac/ [10:47] godbyk, sent it to my HOD [10:47] I typically use it for things like this: http://fishsoup.net/software/reinteract/ [10:51] hello [10:51] hey c7p [10:52] after the release of Ubuntu manual, I haven't heard any plans about the translated versions [10:52] what about them? [10:52] * godbyk hides [10:52] * humphreybc also hides [10:52] shhh, we're not here [10:53] c7p: they'll be out very soon [10:53] just hold your horses [10:53] ok :p [10:53] c7p: you want to be the Greek editor? [10:53] hm [10:53] we need editors for each language to check everything [10:53] and to work with godbyk to make sure the formatting looks good in the PDF [10:54] editors just ensure that the translations are ok (and also the latex tags) ? [10:55] c7p: we'll have to rearrange the margin notes a bit so they align nicely with the associated text, too. [10:55] and generally make sure the pdf looks perfect before it's released [10:56] hm great [10:57] i think this Monday any bad the translations will be corrected, so in the week we can do the job, if you have free time of course [11:06] has anyones manual book arrived yet? [11:10] Nope, not yet. [11:10] Mine still says it's being processed, I think. [11:11] my status is "fulfilling" [11:13] ubuntujenkins: mine is, too [11:13] * ubuntujenkins wants it to hurry up :) [11:13] hi there, I find there no Chinese version of manual website, who can fix it? [11:14] The translation is finished. [11:14] wyh: We'll get the translations incorporated soon. [11:15] godbyk: fine. and the Chinese triditional translation is actually the simplified version, please correct it [11:16] wyh: I'll make a note of that and pass it along to our web developers. Thanks! [11:16] godbyk: that is to say, the triditional version has not been translated yet [11:16] godbyk: fine, thank you [11:19] Hey, daker. wyh just pointed out that the Chinese translation on the website needs to be updated. [11:19] daker: I think the Greek translation also needs to be updated. [11:19] oki [11:20] wyh: meet daker, our web developer :) [11:20] daker: hi [11:21] daker: the site looks nice [11:23] daker: the dropdown menu item for Chinese simplified is missing. should be 简体中文 [11:25] daker: and the item for Chinese triditional should use 繁體中文 or 中文(繁體字). the current one is in simplified Chinese [11:26] leave for meal. bye everyone... [11:33] back [11:53] hello Q_BOT [12:06] ubuntujenkins, Q_BOT is my Bot [12:07] daker: I guessed that, thats why i said hello :P [12:07] !quickshot [12:07] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [12:07] Factoid 'quickshot' not found [12:08] !wiki [12:08] http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation. [12:08] http://www.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot : Quickshot wiki [12:08] yey \o/ quickshot factoids [12:08] humphreybc, thorwil: http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/02/how_to_create_a.html [12:08] !code [12:08] Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, pida, monodevelop, geany - Others: eclipse, netbeans, qtcreator [12:08] https://code.launchpad.net/quickshot : browse Quickshot source code [12:09] can we use a ? and not a ! so that we dont invoke manual bot? [12:09] yes [12:13] daker: do with have a Q_BOT factoids list? [12:13] right now no [12:14] kk [12:14] i need to know how to write a string with multiple line, do you know ? [12:15] I don't understand your question [12:15] \n is new line [12:16] a oki [12:18] !help [12:18] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:30] !botcode [12:30] Factoid 'botcode' not found [12:30] !bot [12:30] Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins [12:31] !botsnack [12:31] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [12:31] hey daker, how's it going? [12:32] fine [12:32] godbyk, thorwil, maybe we should design some sort of nice charter, maybe in latex or an image with the core principles laid out in nice font and stuff [12:32] How often do you update the translations of the website? [12:33] humphreybc: when they're finished, we can look into it, sure. [12:33] fenre, i am updating it right now [12:33] I see that a lot of languages is finished translated, but appearing purple in launchpad [12:33] daker, thanks :) [12:33] humphreybc: with a service where everyone can order the charter and you will send them a signed copy, sealed with wax? [12:34] heh [12:35] I could provide that service... for a small fee. ;-) [12:36] heh, a business plan, get venture capital! [12:38] thorwil: possibly! [12:38] heh [12:38] * humphreybc now has chocolate, a cookie, ginger beer and milk. [12:49] godbyk: what's the adjective form of empathy? [12:49] thorwil: empathic? [12:50] godbyk: maybe, but it seems that's used more often to mean stressed or accented [12:50] thorwil: Sometimes 'empathetic', but usually 'empathic'. [12:51] anyway, that's what i wanted to say regarding helping the user. to be emphatic [12:51] Ah. [12:52] To borrow Kathy Sierra's phrase, we should strive to help our readers kick ass. [12:52] heh [12:53] somehow the mental picture does not connect to the typical tasks we cover ;) [12:53] It's not about 'learning Ubuntu', it's about helping people achieve their goals and have fun in the process. [12:53] They should have a feeling of accomplishment. [12:54] Not because they've *managed* to *figure out* how to get their photos off their camera, [12:54] but because they are enjoying looking at the photos as they organize their collection. [12:55] exactly [12:55] godbyk: isn't it beautiful how we sing in harmony? :) [12:55] It's all about the user/reader. [12:55] :) [12:57] I think that showing that our manual can help you accomplish X or Y is better than saying 'our manual is easy to understand'. [12:57] That attitude also informs our writing style. [12:58] I agree :) [12:58] It should be written in a friendly, conversational tone. Not 'here are the 17 steps you must go through to import your photos from your camera to f-spot.' [13:03] yup [13:03] we should become Gnome, not KDE. [13:03] :P [13:06] !quickshot [13:06] Factoid 'quickshot' not found [13:06] ?quickshot [13:06] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:06] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:06] yey daker, I like it a lot [13:06] !help [13:06] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [13:07] ?help [13:07] Usage : ? or + or -, [13:07] -quickshot [13:07] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:07] sweet [13:07] ?ppa [13:07] Already using Ubuntu 10.04? Add our PPA by running these commands in a terminal(Applications → Accessories → Terminal): [13:07] the strings are not working :s [13:08] have you a bzr branch of the code? then i can see if i can help [13:08] just a minute [13:09] or if its one file past bin it [13:11] Okay, I'm off to bed. [13:11] See you guys later! [13:11] see you later godbyk [13:21] the default search engine for lucid, isn't yahoo ? [13:22] nope its google [13:23] ok thank you [13:24] they changed their minds half way though the devlopment [13:25] so there is no deal between canonical and yahoo ? [13:25] *. [13:25] I guess not, although i con't actually know [13:26] ubuntujenkins, i pushed the code [13:26] where? [13:26] located in /bot/quicksot.py [13:26] lp:quickshot [13:29] can you please pastbin it i can't connect to launchpad [13:30] sure [13:32] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/426407/ [13:34] ubuntujenkins, the problem is located in quickshot_use, quickshot_ppa and quickshot_help strings [13:34] the \n doesn't work [13:34] does it work in ?quickshot ? [13:35] yes [13:35] ah no no i am not sure [13:36] why are they not with the stuff thats in lines 92 - 106 ? [13:37] ?quickshot [13:37] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:38] nope it should say It is written in Python and uses Glade for the user interface. at the end [13:38] yes [13:38] ?paste [13:38] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com : upload snippets of text [13:39] the stuff in lines 92 - 106 is an array of array [13:39] it used in [13:39] if word in links: [13:39] say(channel, links[word][0]+' : '+links[word][1]) [13:39] time.sleep(2) [13:40] i know [13:40] we have differtn line numbers [13:40] well irc is seeing the \n as a command [13:40] debug [13:40] :verne.freenode.net 421 QuickShotBot It :Unknown command [13:40] of course [13:41] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/426407/ look at lines 92 to 106 surely thats where quickshot_use and ppa an help should go [13:41] !bot [13:41] Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins [13:42] !source [13:42] You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html [13:42] !botsource [13:42] Factoid 'botsource' not found [13:42] oki [13:43] just going to see if the uboot has new lines in [13:47] ubot is more complex than your bot [13:47] yes [13:48] ?quickshot [13:48] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:49] I can't think how to escape the \n [13:49] ?ppa [13:49] Already using Ubuntu 10.04? Add our PPA by running these commands in a terminal(Applications → Accessories → Terminal): [13:49] \n [13:49] but i can type \n [13:49] hhh [13:49] brb [13:51] ?help [13:51] Usage : ? or + or -, [13:51] fu*** [13:51] how do i run it so that i can test it? [13:52] line 27 [13:52] change the nickname [13:52] yep was going to do that [13:53] $ python script.py [13:53] anything else i should change? wow its that simple [13:53] that's all [13:55] ?ppa [13:55] Already using Ubuntu 10.04? Add our PPA by running these commands in a terminal(Applications → Accessories → Terminal): [13:55] I haven't made any chages yet [13:55] how do you make it quit cleanly? [13:56] \\n [13:56] can rephrase your question pls [13:56] you [13:56] how do i make the bot leave the channel? [13:57] for CTRL+C [13:57] ok thanks [13:57] ?quickshot [13:57] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. \n It is written in Python and uses Glade for the user interface [13:57] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [13:57] haha [13:58] brb [14:00] ?quickshot [14:00] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:00] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:01] ?quickshot [14:01] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:01] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:01] ?quickshot [14:01] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. It is written in Python and uses Glade for the user interface. [14:01] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:04] ?quickshot [14:04] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:04] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [14:05] ?useage [14:05] ?help [14:05] Usage : ? or + or -, [14:05] hhh [14:13] ubuntujenkins, anything ? [14:14] can someone give me a hand with something? [14:14] just really quickly [14:14] no I like te way you have formated the factoids the \n thing is usefull [14:14] nisshh: go for it [14:14] I will do my best [14:14] im having problems trying to untar .tar.gz archives in the terminal [14:14] and i have no idea why its not working [14:15] daker: where did you get the source from [14:15] for instance i have a file called example.tar.gz, and i go: tar -zxvf example.tar.gz [14:15] and that comes up with: [14:16] tar: -zxvf: Cannot open: No such file or directory [14:17] is the tar.gz file corrupt? does it work in the gui? [14:17] it works fine using the gui [14:18] and no its not corrupt since i have tried multiple .tar.gz's [14:18] im completely stumped [14:19] any ideas? [14:19] try with out the z flag random idea, i have no clue [14:20] * ubuntujenkins hhm the bot keeps timing out [14:21] ubuntujenkins: what does that bot do? [14:22] Its a bot for quickshot information, daker's idea. there are two of them at the moment so i will not invoke it [14:23] nisshh: you question is a strange ont [14:23] *one [14:23] cool [14:24] ill help you test it out later [14:24] we are using ? or - or + so not to invoke manualbot [14:24] ok [14:25] hehe, there it goes again! [14:25] daker: any idea why it keeps quiting by its self? [14:25] ?quickshot [14:25] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. It is written in Python and uses Glade for the user interface. [14:25] just noticed daker quict his one [14:26] ubuntujenkins, cause he is not ponging the server [14:26] can we impliment that? [14:27] i'am working on [14:27] ok thanks, I am still trying to understand this new line thing [14:27] oki [14:28] did you write this from scratch or is i biased on something? [14:28] from scratch but some stuff are taken from BeeBot [14:29] lol http://www.tts-group.co.uk/Bee-Bot first google result [14:30] sorry nisshh but i can't think why you have a tar problem. [14:31] nisshh, type : $ ls [14:36] daker: in the terminal? [14:36] yes [14:36] type [14:36] why? [14:36] ls [14:37] tar: -zxvf: Cannot open: No such file or directory [14:37] juste to see if the file is located there [14:37] daker: i know for a fact that the archive already exists there, i created it [14:38] daker the whole error is this: [14:38] tar: -zxvf: Cannot open: No such file or directory [14:38] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [14:38] tar: Child returned status 2 [14:38] tar: pspshrink-1.1.2.tar.gz: Not found in archive [14:38] tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors [14:38] thats the entire error [14:38] O.o [14:38] ?help [14:38] Usage : ? or + or -, [14:39] ?yummy [14:39] i can't help you [14:39] aw it doesnt work [14:39] :) [14:39] ?wiki [14:39] http://www.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot : Quickshot wiki [14:39] daker: thats ok, i just posted about it on UF too [14:42] ?bug #571418 [14:42] Bug #571418 in quickshot: "Add option for custom username and hostname", https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/571418 [14:42] Launchpad bug 571418 in quickshot "Add option for custom username and hostname" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571418 [14:42] Bug #571418 in quickshot: "Add option for custom username and hostname", https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/571418 [14:42] Launchpad bug 571418 in quickshot "Add option for custom username and hostname" [Wishlist,In progress] [14:43] lol three bots doing bugd [14:43] *bugs [14:43] ?bugs [14:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot : report bugs [14:43] ?blueprint [14:43] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quickshot : register plans for Quickshot [14:43] ?home [14:43] http://quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org : Quickshot website [14:44] daker: I have moved my testing to #quickshot [15:42] WOW! the new openbox is freaking fast! [17:35] ubuntujenkins, is there any plan for quickshot dev ? [17:37] as in the bot daker? [17:38] no, what we are going to do for the next release ? [17:39] daker https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/next-release-plan [17:39] tnx [17:40] no problem [17:44] should i put the stuff in /server/ ? [17:52] daker: proably best to make its own branch and i will ask godbyk if he will host it [17:53] oki [18:00] daker: Is is possible for us to teach it new factoids over irc? I guess not at the moment [18:01] if all the factoids were a list in another file it might be possible i guess [18:03] sure ? [18:03] :D [18:04] I was just think as currently you have to restart it if you added a new factoid to the file [18:04] we should ask dutchie , or someone good in python [18:05] I will have a proper look once my exams are over [18:06] its very good thanks daker [18:07] you are welcome [18:08] at the end we should fine someone how will run it on his computer or something like that [18:08] find* [18:08] yep I will run it when my laptop is on.have you fixed the timing out issue? [18:08]