[08:33] <imbrandon> persia: ping
[08:34] <persia> ?
[08:34] <imbrandon> heya
[08:34] <imbrandon> i've been poking at the nm cli thing a bit
[08:34] <imbrandon> and it seems there are a few projects doing the same thing, one looks very very promising and is feature complete
[08:35] <imbrandon> its python, called nmcli, only preoblem is its only been "released" via an attachment to the NM Mailing list
[08:35] <imbrandon> lol
[08:35] <imbrandon> soo i've wruitten the author and asked for an website/repository etc, gonna try to get it in maverick
[08:35] <imbrandon> written*
[08:36] <persia> And it works with GNOME/KDE/XFCE/no-X/etc. ?
[08:36] <imbrandon> yup
[08:36] <persia> http://github.com/mvidner/nmcli.git ?
[08:36] <imbrandon> nm ( the backend ) actualy has ways to handle that
[08:36] <imbrandon> most just dont use it
[08:37] <imbrandon> like really right now on cli you could make a dbus call to nm and have it read your knetworkmanger connections
[08:37] <imbrandon> nmcli is just kinda a pretty interface to that
[08:38] <persia> nifty!
[08:38] <persia> Have you tried it against lucid yet?
[08:38] <imbrandon> yea, just a little
[08:38] <imbrandon> havent done it alone yet , only been messing with it about ~30 mintues
[08:39] <imbrandon> seen a post about it on planet gnome
[08:39] <imbrandon> ( it was mentioned in passing with other nm core updates )
[08:40] <imbrandon> its also totaly python
[08:40] <imbrandon> ( and tiny )
[08:41] <imbrandon> persia: here is a url where someone put it in their personal git repo
[08:41] <imbrandon> http://github.com/mvidner/nmcli
[08:41] <imbrandon> with a few enhancements, but you can atlease "see" it then
[08:45] <persia> So, do the existing frontends need to be adjusted to match dcbw's blog post, or ought it just work?
[08:46] <imbrandon> not 100% sure yet
[08:46] <imbrandon> but i think they need to be changed
[08:46] <imbrandon> err dont*
[08:47] <imbrandon> i think thats more of "this is how it works now, but i bet you dident know" kinda thing
[08:47] <imbrandon> atleast thats what i'm understanding
[08:48] <persia> Hope so.  That sounds like it could be precisely the missing bit for stuff like client-ad-hoc-servers (e.g. portable distro mirror that autoconnects to current network), folks working to fix X issues, etc.
[08:49] <imbrandon> yup
[08:54] <imbrandon> brb switching terminals
[09:08]  * imbrandon returns
[09:19] <imbrandon> replacing my lucid install with squeeze on my laptop ( and still using my existing ext4 /home ) wasent as painfull as i figured it would be
[09:44] <ari-tczew> is maverick open for development?
[09:56] <imbrandon> ari-tczew: not yet
[09:56] <imbrandon> ari-tczew: somewhere arround the 6th
[09:59] <persia> ari-tczew: If you want, you can get a head start by preparing some of the stuff that helps achieve what you want to get done for maverick.  If you're just looking for something to do, consider SRUs for lucid RCbugs.
[10:01] <ari-tczew> persia: I'm not looking for something to do. ;-) I have a lot of work.
[10:03] <ari-tczew> bugs subscribed to ~motu-swat says me that I won't be bored. ;-)
[11:53] <c_korn> what does NBS mean ? it is the reason for the removal of this package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/python-gtkhtml2
[11:55] <geser> Not Build from Source (no source package builds this binary package anymore)
[11:56] <c_korn> k, thanks. now I need to find out if another package provides the same functionality now
[13:12] <imbrandon> ok hum
[13:12] <imbrandon> if i have DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in a dh v5 debian/rules , moving to v7 it should still pick that up correct ?
[13:15] <imbrandon> ScottK: ^
[13:27] <imbrandon> nvm, got it
[14:09] <ari-tczew> what is the different between "My involvement" and "Areas of work" sections in Developer Application Template?
[14:22] <DktrKranz> jdong: if you have time, mind putting your ubuntu-sru hat on and commenting on bug #573603 ? Thanks!
[14:43] <bilalakhtar> People, can someone review my package for maverick? its here:- http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-media-player and the needs-packaging bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/551702
[15:10] <bilalakhtar> People, can someone review my package for maverick? its here:- http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-media-player and the needs-packaging bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/551702 . Can someone review it, please?
[15:11] <bilalakhtar> anyone here?
[15:13] <bilalakhtar> please, can anyone review my package?
[15:14] <bilalakhtar> its here:- http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-media-player
[15:15] <bilalakhtar> keffie_jayx: Can you review my package?
[15:16] <keffie_jayx> hey bilalakhtar actually no, I am not a motu :(
[15:16] <bilalakhtar> keffie_jayx: sorry, I felt like you are one.
[15:16] <keffie_jayx> bilalakhtar: most flattered :D
[15:16] <keffie_jayx> good luck with your package
[15:17] <bilalakhtar> keffie_jayx: My package is for maverick :)
[15:17] <bilalakhtar> geser: Can you please review my package?
[15:17] <keffie_jayx> does it have manpages and watchfiles and the likes?
[15:17] <bilalakhtar> keffie_jayx: yes
[15:17] <keffie_jayx> bilalakhtar: Can I have a look to learn?
[15:18]  * keffie_jayx checks the link
[15:18] <bilalakhtar> keffie_jayx: You're welcome.
[15:19] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: Can you please review my package?
[15:20] <hyperair> hmmm has maverick been opened for uploading yet?
[15:20] <geser> no
[15:20] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: I think so. I can see various packages being built for it on https://launchpad.net/builders
[15:21] <hyperair> very well
[15:21] <hyperair> what's the package?
[15:21] <bilalakhtar> https://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-media-player
[15:21] <bilalakhtar> the needs-packaging bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/551702
[15:23] <bilalakhtar> hyperair:  sorry its http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-media-player
[15:23] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: debian/copyright is incomplete, it doesn't mention who wrote it. gpl3-only is the best way to ensure that distributing this software will become illegal in future
[15:24] <carstenh> either "gpl3 or later" or a less restricting license would be better
[15:24] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: but its clearly described to be gpl3
[15:25] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: yes, it's not a packaging problem but a upstream one
[15:25] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Fine, I will mention the developer of the package.
[15:25] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: but the missing information in debian/copyright is a packaging problem
[15:25] <bilalakhtar> no regrets
[15:29] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Ok, is putting the name and e-mail of the developer enough?
[15:30] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/deborphan/current/copyright is one example. you need to add these copyright lines
[15:31] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: hmm, it's a bad example ... :)
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Yes I added those also. no need to see the example. uploading to revu again
[15:31] <carstenh> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pal/current/copyright <- better
[15:32] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: there is a need to ... nobody will upload a package with such a copyright
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Do I need to modify the changelog version to 0.1.2-0ubuntu2 or let it remain on ubuntu1?
[15:33] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: nobody ever installed it, so stay with ubuntu1 should be ok, but there are some sponsors with weird views
[15:33] <carstenh> i would stay with ubuntu1 unless a potential sponsor tells you not to
[15:34] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: You are a motu, right?
[15:34] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: I have uploaded. should be available on revu within a minute
[15:35] <carstenh> no, i'm not involved in ubuntu at all, but i'm a debian developer
[15:35] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: Are you there?
[15:36] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: What is the process to get the packages into debian?
[15:36] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Now you can see. The upload is available on revu
[15:36] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: prepare a package, write an ITP-bug, find a sponsor
[15:37] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: I have written a bug. searching for a sponser
[15:37] <bilalakhtar> Anyone ready to sponser my package gnome-media-player? I have filed a needs-packaging bug and uploaded the package to revu
[15:37] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: #debian-montors (i think on oftc, not freenode) or lists.debian.org/debian-mentors are good to get into touch with potential debian sponsors
[15:38] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: Thanks, but right now I am searching for ubuntu sponsors
[15:38] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: well, you asked, i answered ...
[15:38] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: Can you sponser my package?
[15:39] <hyperair> bilalakhtar: eh sorry, i got sidetracked.
[15:39] <hyperair> bilalakhtar: gimme a few more minutes
[15:45] <Bachstelze> hmm, if an upstream source tarball has a README saying "This package is licensed under <license>" but the individual source files do not mention it, can it be assumed that they all fall under the licence mentioned in the README?
[15:45] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: sorry for being imprecise :) first problem was "missing copyright lines in debian/copyright", you fixed it, thanks.  second problem is "using gpl3-only is insane", this is a upsteam problem and you can't fix it yourself, your job is to put the information from upstream into debian/copyright
[15:45] <Bachstelze> (specifically, I'm looking at the Python bigfloat module)
[15:45] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: no problem, have to do another fix
[15:45] <carstenh> bilalakhtar: you now did change the license in debian/copyright yourself, this is clearly not allowed without relicensing from upstream
[15:47] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: I didn't
[15:48] <bilalakhtar> carstenh, hyperair: Thanks for your help. I have to go now, shall come back tomorrow.
[15:52] <carstenh> Bachstelze: many people consider this a bug that should be fixed, but a sane ftpmaster would accept such a package anyway
[15:56] <sebner> Bachstelze: nope, what counts is the license specified in the source files
[15:56] <sebner> Bachstelze: arghm , misread, yes, what carstenh says is true
[15:58] <Bachstelze> ok, thanks
[16:19] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: If the whole package is GPL3 licensed, then, I think this much in the copyright file is ok, right?
[16:21] <bilalakhtar> carsten
[16:24] <bilalakhtar> carstenh: leave it
[16:25] <ari-tczew> bdrung: could you give a comment on my MOTU application?
[17:08] <hyperair> i'm curious. why did the sponsor queues for main and universe get merged?
[17:09] <hyperair> this makes it so much harder to find something to sponsor that i *can* sponsor within the queue >_>
[17:11] <Laney> you can sort by origin
[17:11] <hyperair> origin?
[17:11] <Laney> it's one of the columns
[17:11] <hyperair> there's no origin column
[17:11] <hyperair> do you mean the package it came from?
[17:12] <Laney> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[17:12] <Laney> the second column is called origin
[17:12] <hyperair> aah
[17:12] <hyperair> i was looking at bugs.launchpad.net..
[17:14] <Laney> huh I don't know if that's right
[17:14] <hyperair> Laney: er so what should i be looking for in that column?
[17:14] <Laney> some stuff I can't upload comes up as unseeded
[17:14] <hyperair> more like a whole bunch of main stuff are unseeded =.="
[17:14] <hyperair> like metacity
[17:14] <hyperair> that's in main, is it not?
[17:14] <Laney> right
[17:23]  * geser filed his first sync request for maverick
[17:26] <Laney> it's open?
[17:27] <geser> sort of, LP knows about, but you can't upload yet (looks like the toolchain for maverick is currently setup)
[17:28] <geser> you can also update your pbuilder to maverick (and any devel chroots)
[17:33] <imbrandon> geser: wont autosync be turned on
[17:34] <imbrandon> imbrandon-guest@alioth:/git/collab-maint/apt-mirror_test.git$ git checkout master
[17:34] <imbrandon> fatal: This operation must be run in a work tree
[17:34] <imbrandon> whoops, miss-paste
[17:37] <geser> imbrandon: the sync request was for a package that can my synced now again (the Ubuntu delta can be dropped)
[17:37] <imbrandon> ahhh one of /those/ LOL
[17:38] <imbrandon> yea i'm actualy working on some of those now, cept i fsked the git repo on one LOL, thus on aniloth trying to fixer up
[17:38] <imbrandon> alioth*
[17:39] <imbrandon> just uploaded 2 before that though that can now be synced once they are installed by DAK
[19:26] <Guest28194> lucas: Hello. Have you think about the hang of software using ruby such as rubyripper? I avoid the problem by installing the version of ubuntu 9.10 on ubuntu 10.04. Now the problem is that flac refuses to encode some tracks, due to thrir names. But I don't find what flac dislikes in their names.
[20:42] <nxvl> persia: can you please renew my u-u-sponsors membership
[20:43] <geser> nxvl: u-u-s is no more, only u-s
[20:43] <nxvl> geser: really?
[20:44] <geser> yes, the sponsors teams got merged
[20:44] <nxvl> oh yeah, but i'm member of u-s trough u-u-s
[20:45] <nxvl> kees: you are admin in u-s, can you please add me to the team?
[20:47] <hyperair> afaik the u-s membership was all indirect
[20:48] <hyperair> like u-u-s and u-m-s are both members of u-s
[20:49] <geser> iirc new members are added to u-s and existing members transferred on renewal
[20:55] <nxvl> hyperair: i think the case is as geser mentions
[20:56] <hyperair> i see.
[20:56] <hyperair> well either way, i find the new merge rather annoying
[20:56] <hyperair> now when i look at the sponsoring queue, i find a whole bunch of packages that i can't sponsor because i don't have upload privs.
[20:56] <nxvl> btw, are we still going to have universe/main for maverick?
[20:56] <hyperair> and there's no easy way to tell besides apt-cache policy each package i see >_>
[21:03] <nxvl> hyperair: but universe is supposed to dissapear
[21:03] <hyperair> nxvl: then what, everything in main?
[21:04] <nxvl> hyperair: something like that
[21:04] <nxvl> hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
[21:04] <geser> that part of ArchiveReorg I don't understand yet either
[21:05] <nxvl> geser: and who does?
[21:05] <geser> I hope cjwatson
[21:11] <hyperair> nxvl: not everything in main, but "universe" becomes "set of unseeded packages"
[21:11] <hyperair> nxvl: that's how i interpret what the wiki is saying
[21:11] <nxvl> hyperair: yeah, something like that
[21:11]  * hyperair facepalms
[21:12] <hyperair> your "something like that" has a very broad range, doesn't it?
[21:12] <sebner> hahah
[21:12]  * sebner agrees on hyperair 
[21:13]  * hyperair waves at sebner
[21:13]  * sebner waves back
[21:14] <Laney> agrees with ;)
[21:14]  * sebner waves at Laney too :D
[21:14] <hyperair> oh hey Laney
[21:14] <Laney> fancy seeing you here!
[21:14] <sebner> lol
[21:15] <hyperair> my, my, isn't that right.
[21:15] <hyperair> the internet is such a small place.
[21:15] <sebner> Laney: long time no see, right? =)
[21:15] <ajmitch> it is
[21:15] <Laney> wow, ajmitch as well!
[21:15] <hyperair> oh hey ajmitch
[21:15] <ajmitch> who where?
[21:15] <sebner> unbelievable!
[21:15] <hyperair> amazing!
[21:15]  * Laney buys a round
[21:15] <ajmitch> you're all stalking me, I know it
[21:15]  * hyperair gets drunk 
[21:15] <sebner> hyperair: hf!
[21:16] <ajmitch> Laney: make sure it's still cold when it gets to NZ
[21:16] <hyperair> i'm underaged! or at least, i think the drinking age is 21
[21:16] <hyperair> these stupid age lower limits.. i can never remember what is what
[21:16] <ajmitch> 18 in NZ stil, though they want to raise it
[21:17]  * hyperair shrugs
[21:18] <sebner> hyperair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_age
[21:18] <alkisg> dh_pysupport is moving my modules from /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/twisted/plugins/myplugin.py to /usr/share/pyshared/twisted/plugins/myplugin.py which results in twisted not being able to find them.
[21:18] <alkisg> How can I prevent that? Or at least to tell it to make symlinks in lib/* like dh_pycentral does?
[21:18] <hyperair> whoaa there's a wiki article on that!
[21:19] <hyperair> DktrKranz might know..
[21:20] <POX> alkisg: unfortunately you have to use python-central as well
[21:20] <POX> all packages that share a namespace have to use the same helper tool
[21:21] <hyperair> so problematic. can't we just throw away one already?
[21:21]  * POX prepares 3rd one
[21:21]  * hyperair groans
[21:21] <ajmitch> or we wait for the glorious future where we don't need such things, right? :)
[21:22] <POX> ajmitch: yeah, I hope mine will be a transition to PEP3147
[21:23] <ajmitch> that's what I thought
[21:23] <ajmitch> what came of that thread about backporting parts of that PEP implementation?
[21:24] <POX> dunno, we will not need it in Debian, dunno what Ubuntu will do
[21:24] <ajmitch> hopefully nothing too different from debian
[21:25]  * POX hopes too
[21:26] <hyperair> then hurry up and carry it out before anybody here manages to do anything weird!
[21:26] <jpds> doit.
[21:26] <hyperair> nike just do it.
[21:27] <kklimonda> I have to say the new bzr based workflow maks me feel like an idiot..
[21:27]  * POX failed to convince Ubuntu guys to do transitions in Debian
[21:27] <hyperair> kklimonda: you, me, and a lot of others.
[21:28]  * hyperair advocates the idea of POX dishing out death threats.
[21:36] <geser> POX: would it work to start any transitions in Debian right now because of the different release states? (not that I had any influence on it)
[21:38]  * POX points geser to #573745
[21:41] <geser> POX: please also mention if it's a LP bug number or Debian bug number (both are now in the same range). (in this case looking at the Debian bug makes more sense)
[21:41] <POX> ok, sorry
[21:47] <ajmitch> the race is on to the 600k mark?
[21:48]  * POX hopes Ubuntu will win this one ;P
[21:48] <ajmitch> ubuntu cheats, the bug numbers are across all launchpad :)
[21:48] <geser> now you can not only bet when it get hit but also if Debian or Ubuntu hits it first
[21:49] <ari-tczew> geser: could you give a comment on my motu application?
[21:50] <ajmitch> so I've found that it's really annoying to not have wireless working, dodgy ralink drivers...
[21:53] <geser> ari-tczew: sorry no, because I didn't do much sponsoring lately and don't know what I had to write in my comment
[21:54] <ari-tczew> geser: so may only general opinion about my work?
[21:55] <kklimonda> persia: I was supposed to ping you if I'm not in ~ubuntu-dev by this time so here I am ;)
[21:57] <geser> ari-tczew: all I could write, is that you're active in this channel as I didn't follow -motu too closely recently (busy with other things)
[21:59] <ari-tczew> geser: eh, okay, I won't ask you no more, as you are a chairman on meeting 11th May
[22:07] <geser> ari-tczew: don't take it personally. It's always hard for me to comment on someones application as I don't memorize names and their activities well for a longer time. My mind considers it unimportant and forgets it again.
[22:10] <ari-tczew> geser: no, I didn't take it personally. I wrote that you're a chairman 11th May, so in total comment from you isn't important. easy
[22:31] <alkisg> (11:20:06 μμ) POX: alkisg: unfortunately you have to use python-central as well ==> thanks a lot (sorry I had to leave)
[22:41] <Migi32> hey everyone, now that 10.04 is out and there's no longer a feature-freeze, here's a suggestion if you don't have anything to do at the moment: update libfann1/libfann1-dev in the repositories to libfann2/libfann2-dev. It would really be appreciated