[15:57] <mahfouz> is chromium from the beta channel the same as the one in lucid repos?
[15:58] <mahfouz> I mean the beta ppa
[16:17] <fta> mahfouz, yes
[17:17] <GuitarInc1> how does ubuntu deal with EOL firefox packages?
[17:30] <micahg> GuitarInc1: we're upgrading them :)
[17:30] <GuitarInc1> Firefox 3.6 will be supported for the entire lifecycle of 10.04?
[17:31] <micahg> GuitarInc1: no, it'll most probably be upgraded to 3.7 and maybe 4.0
[17:32] <GuitarInc1> will 3.6 users be prompted to upgrade to 3.7/4.0?
[17:32] <micahg> GuitarInc1: yes, the package itself will be upgraded so it will be seamless
[17:32] <GuitarInc1> oh
[17:32] <GuitarInc1> wow
[17:32] <GuitarInc1> very slick :-)
[17:33] <micahg> we're actually upgrading hardy and jaunty soon to 3.6
[17:33] <GuitarInc1> what if there are installed plug-ins that are incompatible with future firefox releases?
[17:34] <micahg> GuitarInc1: we'll upgrade them if we can
[17:35] <micahg> GuitarInc1: generally by the time a version is EOL, > 80% of the addons have been upgraded
[17:36] <GuitarInc1> sounds about right
[17:39] <GuitarInc1> micahg: one more question: is the alpha 64-bit flash player available in the ubuntu repository?  Or do I have to manually grab it from adobe's website?
[17:40] <micahg> GuitarInc1: we don't package it because there are no guaranteed security updates, depending on your chipset, 32 bit + nspluginwrapper works fine
[17:41] <GuitarInc1> micahg: okay, thnx for the info :-)
[17:47] <LLStarks> my god
[17:47] <LLStarks> that addons manager is fugly
[17:47] <LLStarks> no gnome
[17:47] <LLStarks> breaks extensions
[17:48] <LLStarks> micahg, fta, did they back it out yet?
[17:53] <micahg> LLStarks: yes
[17:54] <micahg> LLStarks: but I think fta suspended the daily builds until we get more PPA builders back
[19:45] <ddecator> micahg: was lorentz introduced in ff 3.6 with .3 or .4?
[19:51] <micahg> ddecator: will be in .4
[19:51] <ddecator> micahg: alright, thanks
[20:09] <mahfouz> fta, I was just wondering if it would stay like this that chromium beta ppa is the same as ubuntu repos
[20:09] <mahfouz> because if so, we wouldn't need a beta ppa anymore
[20:10] <fta> it's needed at least for hardy to karmic
[20:11] <fta> and the ppa is also the staging ground for the official repos
[20:11] <fta> also, the plan is to follow the stable channel once it's available for linux
[20:14] <mahfouz> ok, i see
[20:44] <LLStarks> jeez, 3.7 is like charleston chew right now
[20:45] <mahfouz> LLStarks, is that good or bad? :)
[20:45] <LLStarks> bad
[20:46] <ddecator> LLStarks: yah, a few things broke...anything specific you're having trouble with?
[20:47] <mahfouz> well, the ipc stuff is still broken, right?
[20:47] <mahfouz> flash stuff
[20:47] <LLStarks> i want to castrate the person that pushed the addons manager
[20:47] <ddecator> LLStarks: that double scrollbars? haha
[20:48] <LLStarks> it removed the ability to add menus to the addon list
[20:48] <ddecator> mahfouz: lorentz is working in 3.7 now
[20:48] <mahfouz> ddecator, havent tried last week
[20:48] <mahfouz> thx
[20:49] <mahfouz> maybe put that here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/513887
[21:03] <micahg> LLStarks: we can't get a 3.7 build again until we get the PPA builders back
[21:07] <LLStarks> well, then teach me. i need to learn the cold reality of debian packaging and compiling programs as if they'd be shipped with ubuntu.
[21:12] <micahg> LLStarks: I can ask fta to push it, but it'll be 2 to 5 days before they'
[21:12] <micahg> re done
[21:12] <fta> i think they'll reassign the builders tomorrow
[21:15]  * micahg will bbiab
[22:03] <skierpage> I run nightly 64-bit Firefox from http://ftp.mozilla.org in Kubuntu Lucid, but System Settings > Default Applications and other KDE machinery are unaware. I assume I need to integrate a .desktop file... How?
[22:04] <skierpage> Might the kubuntu-firefox-installer package integrate Firefox nightly better with Kubuntu?  It seems it just triggers installation...
[22:13] <micahg> skierpage: Mozilla builds are not made for KDE yet, if you want a KDE integrated build, please use the one in the lucid archvie
[22:16] <skierpage> micahg Hey there!  I understand the less bleeding-edge ubuntu packages have integration, but I'm committed to firefox nightly.  I'm just looking for the simple integration steps.
[22:17] <skierpage> micahg I'm going to grab the firefox.desktop from kubuntu-firefox-installer and tweak it.
[22:17] <skierpage> micahg  BTW, how goes the thunderbird-3.1 ?  ;-)  Thanks for all you do.
[22:19] <micahg> skierpage: the installer does nothing, it's the patches and kmozillahelper
[22:20] <micahg> skierpage: probably won't have 3.1 done until after UDS
[22:21] <micahg> I might get 3.2 running fist
[22:21] <micahg> *first
[22:22] <skierpage> micahg , I believe the firefox.desktop (with mods) will at least put Firefox nightly into menus and Default Applications.
[22:22] <micahg> skierpage: we have a nightly build as well, but not with KDE integration
[22:27] <skierpage> micahg I know, I got started with a mozilla.org 64-bit build and stuck with it for 500 Help > Check for Updates :-)  Are there any functional differences between the ubuntu nightly package and http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly ?
[22:27] <micahg> skierpage: install in menu?
[22:28] <micahg> we push updates as well
[22:29] <skierpage> ok thanks, maybe I'll switch.  Gotta go, bye
[22:36] <sebner> micahg: in TB my spam folder has the option: Look for new messages which is unchecked, why do I get mails then? Didn't happen in the past
[22:38] <micahg> sebner: you get new messages in your spam foldeR
[22:40] <sebner> micahg: right, but I don't want them downloaded to TB
[22:41] <micahg> sebner: where is this option?
[22:43] <sebner> micahg: right click on SPAM folder, Properties
[22:44]  * micahg doesn't have a SPAM fodler
[22:44] <micahg> *folder
[22:44] <sebner> heh
[22:44] <micahg> oh, I see the option on my Junk folder
[22:45] <micahg> I don't think I get updates for it, but I don't know
[22:50] <micahg> sebner: not for just spam
[22:51] <micahg> sebner: ok, so the checkbox means to poll the server for new messages in that folder
[22:51] <sebner> micahg: I guess, and it's unchecked ..
[22:51] <micahg> sebner: not that new messages won't be moved there
[22:51] <sebner> hm,
[22:51] <micahg> sebner: the only time you would need that checked is if you're using server side filters and want to poll multiple folders
[22:52] <sebner> ah
[22:52] <sebner> micahg: so my only option is to delete the SPAM folder in TB?
[22:52] <micahg> sebner: what are you trying to do?
[22:53] <sebner> micahg: Not getting anymore spam messages into my SPAM TB folder
[22:53] <micahg> sebner: where do you want your SPAM to go
[22:53] <micahg> sebner: you can configure the account settings to move it to the trash or delete if you like
[22:54] <sebner> micahg: uhh, I'll take a look, just strange because before the fresh ubuntu/TB install I didn't have this problem
[22:54] <micahg> sebner: idk, maybe TB2 had other defautls
[22:55] <sebner> micahg: ehm, I used TB3 also before the reinstall ;D
[22:55] <micahg> sebner: maybe your settings changed?
[22:56] <sebner> micahg: nope, I never change anything. Mail account created (or copy old .tb folder) and go go go
[22:56] <micahg> sebner: idk then
[22:57] <sebner> micahg: I found the option in the properties, thanks anyways
[22:57] <micahg> sebner: k
[22:57] <micahg> bbiab
[22:57] <sebner> micahg: wow, you really like this net-slang, hmm? ^^
[23:23] <micahg> sebner: I got it from asac
[23:23] <micahg> asac: ping