[00:11] Has Xubuntu inherited the new indicator applet business? [00:25] I'm cheating on Xubuntu *g* [00:27] <_Techie_> good to know Sachse_Siechtum [00:27] _Techie_, Linux Mint just looks too good :-) [02:18] hi [02:36] hello [02:37] I'm on a little bit older PC, and I dunno if I should use Xubuntu or a Fedora OS [02:37] can anyone help me? [02:41] you're asking in a distro specific chan, obviously xubuntu would be preferred [04:00] Will an UBUNTU 10.04 alternate CD be able to upgrade a XUBUNTU distro to 10.04 from 9.10? [05:52] how i fix my intel video card its slow in xubuntu 9.10 [05:52] ? [05:54] <_Techie_> !intel [05:54] Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information. [06:02] !source [06:02] You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html [06:03] how i open the spurce list i need to fixsomthing in it [06:03] other wise cant get updat [06:03] !source.list [06:52] I've just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 and tried to change the layout with the Settings Manager (Desktop I think). After a few options that changes the title bar, the color, etc. one of the options suddenly through me out to the login screen. Since then I can not get back to my Xfce at all. After login I get a black screen and forced back to the login screen again... Please help! :-( [06:53] hi, anyone here know how to fix grub2 bootloader on /dev/sda1. I screwed it up when upgrading to latest ubuntu (from 9.10) [08:21] Roughly, How big is the xubuntu Desktop pack if I were to download it and appy it on an ubuntu 10.04? [08:22] aptitude show xubuntu-desktop [08:22] that in terminal will tell [08:23] 'sudo apt-get -s install xubuntu-desktop' will tell the actual disk space used / packages downloaded [08:23] actually no... [08:24] power-inside, try that ^ without -s [08:24] @knome... whoa i did that command a huge list came [08:24] okay... i dont want to install it now .. just want to see the disk cost it takes [08:24] yup. it will ask you if you want to continue or not [08:24] just answer "n" [08:24] -s means simulation [08:25] Sysi, but the simulation output did not calculate the disk space used... [08:25] oh right [08:25] yes the simulation did not show disk space [08:25] ok thanks... xubuntu desktop was 623 MB.. will this vary according to different systems? [08:26] it can somewhat [08:26] depends if you already have/don't have some of the packages installed [08:27] So, if I download ubuntu 10.04 and apply xubuntu on it, will it be same as xubuntu 10.04 release exactly? [08:27] no, then you'll also have the gnome packages installed [08:27] !purexfce | power-inside [08:27] power-inside: If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [08:28] then you should run the first row on that page to get a plain xubuntu installation [08:28] and even then it might differ a little from the default xubuntu installation from cd [08:28] oh [08:29] not much, and you wouldn't notice the difference by just looking [08:29] well the apps would right? [08:29] yes, the apps would match [08:29] but if you want a xubuntu desktop, you really should install it from a xubuntu disk [08:30] I am actually looking for a good way to upgrade my xubuntu 9.10 to 10.04.. I also have a kubuntu 9.10 on another system and I was wondering if I could download UBUNTU 10.04 alt CD once to upgrade both of them [08:30] but someone said that would not be possible [08:30] you can upgrade both without a disk [08:31] !upgrade [08:31] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [08:31] yes but its a pain to download 2 x ~600 MB on both systems... any feasable workaround using alt cds? [08:31] no, i don't think so... [08:32] you can also download xubuntu 10.04 disk ;] [08:32] if you are willing to do clean installs [08:32] i think you can somehow upgrade with a cd as well [08:32] yes but I dont want my kubuntu on another system to be 9.10.. want the LTS one [08:32] or use the minmal cd and then add respective desktops [08:32] !minimal [08:32] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [08:33] moetunes, that would still mean 2×downloading the whole system [08:33] yeah.. :( [08:33] ahh yes ... === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [08:33] dd might be an option then [08:34] dd? [08:35] it is a cli app that you can use to copy partitions among other things - man dd [08:45] hello [08:47] after distribution upgrarde cant boot windows with grub, i dont know what went wrong:( [08:49] @Arpad2 try sudo update-grub [08:50] powerinside:thank you === powerinside is now known as Power-Inside [09:21] hi [09:22] can you tell me how to create a bootable xubuntu lucid stick for amd64? [09:23] the programm for creating it isn't contained in the iso [09:23] !unetbootin [09:23] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [09:26] Power-Inside: nothing changes with grub-update [09:26] hmm [09:26] does grub load for you? or does it take you to linux directly when you boot? [09:27] well there are options, from which i can choose [09:28] Arpad2: using windows 7 ? [09:28] and what comes when you choose windows? blank screen? [09:28] 4 options for linux 2 for mem test and 1 for windows [09:28] xp [09:28] k [09:28] yes blank screen, exattley [09:28] with one little cursor [09:29] blank and black screen [09:29] mouse cursor or text cursor? [09:29] text [09:29] that probably something wrong with grub config then [09:29] during the conf it asked for partitions [09:30] i marked two win partitions [09:30] so you made a mistake there? [09:30] i dont know [09:30] ohk [09:30] the win os is only on one partition [09:31] and the grub recognises it [09:31] /dev/sda1 [09:31] then what did you choose the other partition as and what for [09:31] /dev/sda5 [09:32] that is also win partition [09:32] So you have 2 windows partitions? [09:32] but there are ionstalled programs [09:32] yes [09:32] both are xp [09:32] both [09:32] i dont run multiple win versions :) [09:33] So, basically, you said you had only 1 windows option in grub (when it was working) [09:33] then how would you have been using the other windows? [09:33] as far as i remember [09:34] there was only one win [09:34] k [09:35] there is one program i dont know to run in linux [09:35] thats the reason i need xp [09:35] you can run windows programs in linux using wine [09:35] yes i tried that one [09:36] what is the program [09:36] but after install i cannot connect to the net with tha program [09:36] its the client for making voip calls, winth intervoip.com [09:37] so i can open it with wine, but its not connected to the net [09:37] yes i know some programs have difficulty using net under wine [09:38] like the nimbuzz chat messenger for windows simply gets disconnected every 15 seconds or so under wine [09:38] are ther some alternatives to wine? [09:39] CrossOver is a commercial version of wine that provides support [09:39] ok [09:39] and what is virtual box? [09:39] virtual box is quite simmilar.. [09:40] <_Techie_> !virtualbox [09:40] virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [09:40] ok [09:40] and are the system requirements similar to wine? [09:41] ive got a very old pc [09:41] in that case, virtual box would not simply be the right choice [09:41] virtualization would need a better pc [09:42] i thought so.. [09:42] wine will be ok.. it doesnt use much resources afaik [09:43] so what to do now with this unable to boot xp problem? [09:43] Arpad2: if you paste the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg we might be able to get windows booting [09:43] can i do the distro upgrade again? [09:43] !paste [09:43] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [09:44] ok [09:44] <_Techie_> you could re instal grub using a livecd [09:45] or better yet , downgrade grub to a stable version.. (as its easier than the new grub) [09:45] not sure if old grub goes well with 10.04's [09:45] shouldn't be any problems [09:46] ok [09:49] <_Techie_> hey knome have you ever come across a problem with sound drivers not initialising a cards preamp? [09:52] now i have problems opening files with file manager [09:53] which version is stable? [09:53] _Techie_, no, not really [09:54] Arpad2: what is your distro? xubuntu? [09:54] yes [09:55] Arpad2: then you might need to sudo the file manager. go to terminal and sudo thunar [09:55] sudo thunar [09:55] ok [10:00] moetunes: grub.cfg http://paste.ubuntu.com/426316/ [10:00] k [10:01] Power-Inside: why was this sudo thunar neccessary? anyway it worked?:) [10:02] because only root can access certain files like grub.cfg in those directories.. as they are 'system' level directories [10:02] ok [10:03] root and sudo are tha same? [10:03] the superuser? [10:03] <_Techie_> !root [10:03] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [10:03] <_Techie_> !sudo [10:03] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli ) . Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [10:03] Arpad2: does the file fedced9adced4d89 exist in /dev/disk/by-uuid ? [10:04] hmm I too need to learn about these !topikz set in this irc :D [10:04] moetunes:i look into it [10:04] k [10:06] <_Techie_> !factiods | Power-Inside [10:07] !factoids [10:07] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [10:08] moutunes: file:///dev/disk/by-uuid/FEDCED9ADCED4D89 [10:08] exits [10:09] k [10:09] so its with capitals [10:09] is it mattres? [10:10] I don't know... can someone with grub2 and windows check pls? [10:11] I have windows 7 with grub 2.. is it ok? [10:11] <_Techie_> i use grub 2 and windows [10:12] <_Techie_> but alas my OS's are across seperate drives with seperate bootloaders [10:12] in grub.cfg is the uuid for the windows partition in caps like the file name in /dev/disk/by-uuid? [10:13] my line in grub.cfg goes as : --fs-uuid --set 01cacdb99ff8b180 [10:14] so caps don't matter - thnx Power-Inside [10:14] so.. not caps i suppose [10:16] well, anyway thanks for trying!:) [10:18] Arpad2: in terminal do gksu mousepad /boot/grub/grub.cfg and change the line 122 from set root='(hd0,1)' to set root='(hd0,0)' [10:18] Arpad2: hang on [10:18] how many hard disks in the comp? [10:18] <_Techie_> Arpad2, or you could just reun the grub config script [10:18] two [10:19] hes done that [10:19] sda and asb [10:19] Arpad2: and windows on the first disk? [10:19] sda [10:19] with two partitions [10:19] Arpad2: in terminal do gksu mousepad /boot/grub/grub.cfg and change the line 122 from set root='(hd0,1)' to set root='(hd0,0)' then [10:19] sda1 and sda5 [10:20] ok [10:20] grub counts from 0 [10:20] and reboot to test [10:20] moetunes: grub.cfg is not to be edited like that since in grub 2, it uses scripts from /etc/grub.d/ [10:21] Power-Inside: but to first check if it is the right thing to do is ok - updates will overwrite it tho [10:22] yes but I find it weird why the script had to choose hd0,1 then as win loader [10:22] I don't know why it did that - would explain the non-boot maybe [10:24] ok, now ill restart [10:24] best of luck [10:24] :) [10:32] moetunes:I could detect no changes during the restart:) [10:32] :(ű [10:32] Power-Inside: i still cant open files with the file manager [10:33] only as root [10:33] and any file [10:33] even files those in /home ? [10:33] Arpad2: sorry but that is my knowledge limit on that [10:33] ok, thx moetunes [10:33] Power-Inside: yes, even those [10:34] that is weird.. i dont know why that should happen. [10:34] i can open files in the left small window [10:35] but on the right window none [10:36] maybe knome will know about it... === angus is now known as casper3 [10:37] wut? :P [10:37] Arpad2: about windows boot, i think its a problem with boot.ini with your windows Boot loader [10:37] Arpad2: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6031733.html and check point #5 [10:38] knome: i can open files in the left small window [10:38] but on the right window none in thunar [10:38] what is left small window? [10:38] I think he means the sidebar on the left side in the file manager [10:39] so... how can one "open files" in the sidebar? [10:39] I guess he could have meant opening directories.. XD [10:39] directories [10:39] yes [10:40] i still don't understand. you can't have directory listings in the sidebar [10:40] like documents, pictures, trash [10:40] desktop [10:40] yes, those are bookmarks. [10:42] knome: I tink his bookmarks open but dirs won't - permission issue [10:43] bookmarks should link to the same folders... Arpad2, can you browse to /home/username/Desktop ? [10:44] with file manager no [10:45] hey all, just did an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 [10:45] i saw that 10.04 should have brought some cleanup to my settings and system menus [10:45] Arpad2, if you open a terminal and type 'ls -l' in /home/username, what output do you get? (use pastebin, please" [10:45] but i don't see that reflected, is there a way i can remove my user's menu setup and get the once distributed with lucid? [10:46] ok knome [10:51] knome: http://pastebin.org/197773 [10:54] Arpad2, 'ls -l' with the space [10:54] Arpad2, and please go to /home/username (not /home/username/Desktop) [10:55] knome : how can I go to that directory from terminal? [10:55] Arpad2, if you still have that terminal win open, type "cd .." [10:56] and is it ls -l with" L" or "I"? [10:56] lowercase L [10:56] ok [10:58] knome : http://pastebin.org/197779 [10:58] Arpad2, everything seems to be okay. now go back to desktop "cd Desktop" and issue the same command [10:59] ok [11:01] knome : http://pastebin.org/197780 [11:02] no, i still don't see anything wrong. [11:03] Arpad2, what does 'df -h' give? [11:03] in the desktop? [11:03] anywhere [11:05] knome : http://pastebin.org/197782 [11:07] no problem there either... [11:07] Arpad2, what was the original problem again? [11:07] Arpad2, thunar doesn't show you file listings of Desktop? [11:08] no [11:09] I can not open the directories in the right windoe of the File Manager [11:09] so none of them [11:09] I can open these files with sudo thunar [11:11] it appears that the File Manager doesnt even sees that there is sth in the right window [11:13] is there an altarnative program to File Manager? [11:14] Arpad2: Lots of alternatives... you could try filemanagers from kde like Dolphin [11:14] ok [11:14] or pcmanfm [11:14] it's light [11:14] thx folks === angus is now known as casper3 [13:42] is anyone experiencing frequent thunar crashes after upgrading to 10.04? [13:42] items in thunar become unselectable [14:03] anyone here know how I could get bleachbits to wipe free space on an external drive? [14:11] ooze: it's a know bug of the 'details view'. Try to use the 'icon view' instead. [14:14] hey mr_pouit [14:14] hey knome [14:22] mr_pouit: thanks!.. good to hear that its known [14:27] i'm wondering whether anyone else is experiencing trouble with their internal cardreader (worked fine in karmic) [14:28] it's an awkward regression as this has been working for a few versions already [14:29] according to the wiki it should work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Reports/DellXPSM1330 [14:29] but at least in xubuntu it doesn't [14:29] could that be a halsectomy-related issue? [15:08] ok, i figured out that only the automounting of the card-reader doesn't work [15:09] that happens for me too, with memorysticks [15:09] automount or even thunar seeing the drive don't work [15:10] wondering whether i have to create a new udev rule for that or what [15:10] i'm just surprised because this worked ootb in karmic [15:11] most interesting in this is that it always works in netbook what has /home from fedora [15:12] errm, /home from fedora with xfce and / from xubuntu? [15:12] xubuntu == lucid [15:13] yeah, two partitions [15:13] hm, so that suggests that it's some setting in the home folder [15:13] but the thing is: i'm sharing home folders between karmic and lucid [15:13] and in karmic it works... === Prajwal is now known as L30 [15:14] or it could be just about hardware [15:14] guess it's rather that [15:14] maybe it really is connected to ubuntu's halsectomy [15:15] i think it *sometimes* works [15:15] ? [15:15] sometimes drives pop to desktop [15:16] in xubuntu lucid? [15:16] yes [15:16] but you're still talking about memorysticks not about a ssd/mmc card [15:16] right? [15:17] mmh, both actually [15:17] what kind of internal card reader do you have? [15:18] eee 701sd and 1005ha, no more specific info [15:18] i have a Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 [15:18] k [15:55] hi [16:07] hello === Prajwal is now known as L30 [16:58] anyone in here with good technical skills ? I tried upgrading to ubuntu 10 (from 9.10), it crashed (computer got reset when nearly done) [16:59] I went into the terminal, and tried finishing it, but I accidently used sudo apt-get upgrade, instead of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:59] now, since i've realized this, I try apt-get dist-upgrade, and I get unmet dependencies try using -f [16:59] I try apt-get install -f, and I get some dpkg error [17:06] -f I believe only applies to one pkg [17:06] if you used aptitude it might be better === lsemple is now known as anom01y [17:34] <]Spectre[> Hi,I need a suggestion about the xubuntu live-cd install : When I insert the live-cd ,after the boot up,I see the xubuntu menu,but when I push on the "Install xubuntu" button,I get a pop-up box with "live-install" and nothing more [17:34] <]Spectre[> can you help me ? [17:40] <]Spectre[> it seems to be a bug... [17:41] <]Spectre[> ok,no more xubuntu [17:41] <]Spectre[> bye [18:24] hello [18:25] Im new to ubuntu and need some help [18:25] Hey guys having trouble with installing a lexmark printer driver [18:25] I created 2 accounts, but I am able to fully log on to one account [18:26] anyone have experience with lexmark printers? [18:26] with the second accnt, I only get to the background screen [18:27] miko: what model? [18:27] x5650...it's an all-in-one... [18:27] juan__: panels lost? [18:27] what you mean? nothing is on the screen, no menus etc [18:28] I actually found the deb installer package at lexmark...put it won't let me install it...the installer doesn't recognize my admin password. [18:28] test [18:29] juan__: does something happen when you right click or press alt f2? [18:29] I have not tested that, I pushed the power button and a new window comes up and gives me the options to restart etc [18:30] so I restarted and goes back to the log in, then I can log in as the admin [18:30] !panels [18:30] Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [18:30] that should do it [18:30] ok I'll try that [18:32] here's the pack I'm trying to install: lexmark-08z-series-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb [18:33] miko: try doubleclick or rightclick and see what option looks good [18:37] miko: Don't crosspost the questions in different channels [18:40] Is it true there are bugs in booting the Ubuntu 10.4 live CD? [18:40] Psilocybin_Elf: depends on the system and the date of the cd [18:41] Most of what I have seen is due to the individuals downloading and using the image dated 2010-04-27 instead of the final image [18:42] and, yes, that image had a critical bug that got fixed in the final image [18:43] ok [18:44] Thank you , miko [18:45] Ok cheers [18:45] Was referring to the final image [18:45] not the beta [18:45] Thanx [18:46] 27th was not the beta, it was the image tested for final [18:46] So the one dated from the 29th should be ok? [18:46] people decided that was the final image, and kept it. It had to be rebuilt, though. [18:46] Yes, the 29th is the good image [18:47] Wicked, cheers :-) [18:47] Gonna install it on my bro's laptop [18:47] At the most, if you install and have dual-boot with windows, you may have to run 'sudo update-grub' [18:47] He won't be dual booting so it should be ok [18:47] to be safe, on the first boot after installing, you can run that if you want to. [18:48] Ok :-) [18:48] is there a way I can install this lexmark driver shell script in terminal? [18:48] miko: is it a linux driver script? [18:49] yes. [18:49] dpkg -i ???.deb should install it [18:49] it keeps hassling me about my admin password...each time I type it in it tells me it is incorrect. [18:50] That is different. You always need the admin password it install apps [18:50] How many users do you have on the system? [18:50] oh I know that..but it the installer app doesn't recognize my password. [18:50] It's a single user system. [18:51] go to terminal, try using 'sudo -i' and hit enter. [18:51] will do. [18:51] Then use dpkg -i to install. That makes you the admin, and should work [18:53] I get this: lexmark-08z-series-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb [18:53] wait hold on I mean I get this: [18:54] dpkg: -- Install needs at least one package archive file argument [18:54] hy [18:55] miko: what did you type? [18:55] Hello, Aquina [18:56] is dpkg stupidly thinking "0-1.i386.deb" is the extension instead of ".deb"? [18:56] depends on exactly what was typed [18:56] I typed sudo -i then hit enter...then typed dpkg -i [18:57] hello charlie! :-) [18:57] that I got that message [18:57] you have to use 'dpkg -i lexmark-08z-series-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb' [18:57] I'm a moron. [18:57] :-))) [18:58] no quotes, either [18:58] the idiot in the room thanks you [18:58] You are welcome [18:59] It's a learning experience [18:59] * charlie-tca been there, too [18:59] charlie I saw the imge changed from 27th to 29th. [18:59] How can I get more insight in when changes occour? [18:59] yup [19:00] It was the issue with grub not recognizing any image on a 2nd hard drive [19:03] root@ubuntu:~# dpkg -i lexmark-08z-series-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb [19:03] dpkg: error processing lexmark-08z-series-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb (--install): [19:03] cannot access archive: No such file or directory [19:03] arrrgh [19:04] cd to where it is [19:05] or put the full directory to it in [19:05]