[07:59] <AnAnt> Hello
[08:00] <AnAnt> I need to understand something regarding Ubuntu's new notification system
[08:00] <AnAnt> I understand that there's a plan to remove the notification area at some release (11.04 maybe)
[08:01] <AnAnt> now, regarding upstream software that use notification area, what should they do ?
[08:01] <AnAnt> if they use the new Ubuntu system, wouldn't that make them not usable for other distros ?
[08:02] <AnAnt> or does Ubuntu intend to patch those software, and keep maintaining maintaining the patches in Ubuntu
[08:09] <RAOF> AnAnt: Using the new Ubuntu system wouldn't /necessarily/ make their software less useful for other distros - it would be quite possible to use indicator-application where available, and a regular status icon where not available.
[08:11] <RAOF> AnAnt: That's a bit sucky, true.  But upstreams are going to need to do something regardless - gnome shell doesn't include a notification area (at least for arbitrary applications), as far as I could tell.
[08:14] <AnAnt> RAOF: well, I have conservations about gnome-shell
[08:14] <AnAnt> RAOF: last time I tried it, it was even heavier than compiz
[08:16] <AnAnt> anyways, that's another issue
[08:16] <RAOF> AnAnt: In case you're interested, more idiomatic English would be “reservations about gnome-shell”.  I think it's likely to remain heavier than gnome-shell, and I'm not mad about the idea of running a javascript interpreter, panel applet, and desktop search in the same process as my desktop compositor.
[08:16] <RAOF> Ahem.  Likely to remain heavier than *compiz* :)
[08:17] <AnAnt> RAOF: thanks, English isn't my native language indeed.
[08:18] <AnAnt> well, I'm not mad about the idea either, but you see, I've disabled compiz because its heavy, now there is that gnome-shell that is even heavier
[08:18] <AnAnt> and some say that it might be the default one day on Ubuntu
[08:18] <AnAnt> so that makes me worry
[20:35] <forNarnia> anyone else worried that chrome-os could nuke this whole thing from orbit? :p just messing with you.
[20:36] <qense> forNarnia: Different target audience. :) I don't see Chrome OS running on servers or workstations in the near future.
[20:37] <forNarnia> @qense cloud computing?
[20:39] <qense> forNarnia: partially, yes
[20:42] <forNarnia> opera has the right idea, bad form, individuals are becoming servers. chrome-os and cloud computing don't cover this audience. Ubuntu could.
[20:44] <forNarnia> dosen't cover it in the sense that the fastest path is the best path (typically), host to host.
[20:54] <forNarnia> so who is is feeling the windicators?
[20:54] <forNarnia> don't worry this message is not a lie, just curious what people think?
[20:56] <qense> I really like the idea/
[20:56] <qense> I think it has great potential.
[20:57] <forNarnia> I was reading diego moya's oppinions about 4 parts
[20:57] <qense> The discussions get quite lengthy on the mailing list.
[20:58] <forNarnia> :p there like irc bursts
[20:58] <forNarnia> sharing what your currently working on imo is the best part of the windicators
[20:59] <qense> It is one of the many uses.
[20:59] <qense> You could put all that functionality in MenuItems, but this is much better. More consistent, easier to manipulate and easier to access.
[21:00] <forNarnia> well i know that all the top right status icons are being condensed into a few items
[21:00] <forNarnia> but why not put a share icon there instead
[21:00] <forNarnia> a share icon with a sorta global menu
[21:00] <forNarnia> think of google wave
[21:01] <forNarnia> you click a topic/ start one, and you add people
[21:01] <forNarnia> and type away, well with an OS.
[21:01] <qense> That would not make clear that it affects the content of your current window.
[21:02] <forNarnia> with the os, you start an application and the share icon would be the equivalent of the header in gwave
[21:03] <forNarnia> well the volume, mail are global things
[21:04] <qense> anyway, I'm shutting off
[21:07] <forNarnia> push contacts into the top right, mail icon becomes more of a sync icon still has mail setting stuff etc., with the mail icon showing when there's a message.
[21:07] <forNarnia> rather share icon/sync
[21:15] <forNarnia> ps. i liked the golden compass better then narnia, the book that is.
[21:18] <forNarnia> I like to talk about random things.
[22:15] <ScottK> In case you don't follow planet.kde: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/05/why-you-should-not-use-client-side-window-decorations/
[22:39] <jcastro> ScottK: I saw and pinged ted and cody already via mail
[22:39] <jcastro> thanks for the heads up though
[22:41] <hamburger_> should upgrade the window manager to allow apps to push into the middle top bar area while still keeping the consistent (left) min/max/close, and border.
[22:41] <hamburger_> that way everyones happy
[22:59] <hamburger_> like so, http://imgur.com/k7aEk