| isforinsects | mhall119: I like your myst-like game idea. | 00:00 |
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| mhall119 | thanks | 00:01 |
| mhall119 | maybe one day I'll have the time to make it a reality | 00:01 |
| isforinsects | bencrisford: No worries. The team doesn't have special access to bzr anyway. Doesn't the edubuntu advocacy team have a repo somewhere? | 00:01 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: I would be interested in working on the art/imersion parts. Also, I would be willing to brainstorm/write puzzles to solve. I don't believe my python-foo is strong enough to implement that part. | 00:03 |
| isforinsects | I'm pretty partial to pyturtle (aka logo) | 00:03 |
| mhall119 | isforinsects: cool, coming up with puzzle ideas i'll definitely need help with | 00:07 |
| mhall119 | maybe I'll make a prototype that people can use to build their own levels | 00:08 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: write up a spec | 00:13 |
| isforinsects | That is easy for me to commit to working on. | 00:13 |
| isforinsects | I am working on a spec for a program to explore atomic chemistry. | 00:13 |
| mhall119 | have you seek katomix? | 00:13 |
| mhall119 | or something like that | 00:14 |
| mhall119 | there's also a periodic table program in the KDE-edu suite | 00:14 |
| isforinsects | Choose how many of what elements to put into the workspace, and see them combine into molecules while showing representations of the various valence electron levels. | 00:14 |
| isforinsects | I reviewed all that I could find. | 00:14 |
| mhall119 | oh that would be cool | 00:15 |
| isforinsects | I just looked at screenshots of katomics unfortunately, I didn't want to install enough kde stuff to run it. | 00:15 |
| isforinsects | There are a good number of periodic table applications. And a great number of HARD CORE molecular modeling applications. | 00:15 |
| isforinsects | But none inbetween. | 00:16 |
| isforinsects | my goals are to invote deeper intuitive understanding of the relationships of the facts displayed on a periodic table and the chemical interactions. | 00:17 |
| bencrisford | isforinsects: there is a bzr branch for the team, for marketing materials etc. | 00:19 |
| bencrisford | I thought I made it so any member of the team could push to it | 00:19 |
| isforinsects | It's pretty easy for those who are 'left-brain' learners to pick up fundimental understandings of atomic chemistry. | 00:19 |
| isforinsects | for which team? the edubuntu team in general? | 00:19 |
| bencrisford | the edubuntu-advocacy team | 00:19 |
| isforinsects | https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+related-software | 00:20 |
| isforinsects | ? | 00:20 |
| bencrisford | isforinsects: https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+junk/edubuntu-advocacy | 00:21 |
| bencrisford | the readme explains everything I think | 00:22 |
| * bencrisford needs sleep, later guys | 00:23 | |
| bencrisford | :) | 00:23 |
| mhall119 | isforinsects: if you want to help me brainstorm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/PythonGameIdea | 00:35 |
| mhall119 | etaliverto:^^ | 00:49 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: updated | 02:00 |
| isforinsects | anyone still awake? | 03:18 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: you lied | 04:18 |
| mhall119 | I think | 04:22 |
| mhall119 | it looks like Ubiquity does use lsb-release | 04:23 |
| mhall119 | maybe not | 04:25 |
| mhall119 | it gets distro name from there, but I'm not sure where it's using it | 04:25 |
| mhall119 | then it's getting something else from /cdrom/.disk/info | 04:25 |
| mhall119 | dang this code is all over the place | 04:36 |
| mhall119 | making changes to one of those (or both) did the trick, the install now says it's installing Qimo, rather than Xubuntu | 04:43 |
| mhall119 | I'll try changing lsb-release back and see if it still works | 04:44 |
| mhall119 | I probably owe you an apology | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: lsb_release has the same information whetheer you're using Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Cubuntu or Lubuntu, so we can safely assume it's not lsb_release :) | 07:58 |
| alkisg | cubuntu?!! | 08:03 |
| etaliverto | Morning all, mhall119 - will look at that wiki page after my first coffee :) | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: yes, cubuntu. that's xubuntu with a typo :) | 09:31 |
| alkisg | highvoltage: heh, google says that there is indeed an unmaintained cubuntu (console ubuntu) :) | 09:32 |
| zerlgi | Edubuntu FTW. thanks highvoltage & team. | 10:32 |
| highvoltage | thanks zerlgi | 10:36 |
| highvoltage | zerlgi: I blog about it a lot but stgraber did just as much :) | 10:37 |
| zerlgi | ... sure. | 10:37 |
| zerlgi | Revolution Linux #ftw | 10:38 |
| stgraber | hehe | 10:47 |
| highvoltage | :) | 11:01 |
| bencrisford | :( I've been putting off all my school-work/OW-prep until today.. and now im starting to regret it | 11:28 |
| frederickjh | Hi all! I am looking to up grade my LTSP server that we are using at home. It is a P4 3.2Ghz. Things have slowed down considerable upgrading to ltsp-5 on Ubuntu so I am wondering if anyone out there has any advice regarding performance differences between Intel DualCore (multiple cores) and Intel Core 2 Duo (multiple processors). | 13:25 |
| zerlgi | Intel dualCore or CoreDuo is only 32-bit capable, Core2Duo is usually 64-bit capable. | 13:27 |
| zerlgi | check for L1 Cache size. That is probably the most important issue for a multi-core system. | 13:27 |
| zerlgi | ... ie never, ever use a Celeron. | 13:27 |
| zerlgi | ... imho, 32-bit is fine, how many 64-bit compatible thin-clients are there anyway? | 13:28 |
| frederickjh | How big a L1 cache? | 13:32 |
| frederickjh | The ones I am looking at have a L2 cache of 3M or 2M. I do not see a mention of L1 cache. | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | thanks highvoltage, I'm gonna have to make a wiki of all these little bits of info that aren't documented anywhere | 13:38 |
| isforinsects | morning all | 15:13 |
| mhall119 | morning isforinsects | 15:13 |
| bencrisford | morning isforinsects ;) | 15:30 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: did you take a look at my example exercise? | 15:33 |
| mhall119 | I did late last night, yes | 15:34 |
| mhall119 | I like it | 15:34 |
| mhall119 | writing an efficient sorting/cataloging algorithm is definitely something to include | 15:34 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: I had a hard time sleeping last night (it's hot here). I ended up thinking about attaching symbolism to computer science constructs. | 15:37 |
| isforinsects | A color and symbol on in-game objects to signify that said object's datatype. | 15:38 |
| mhall119 | hmm, interesting idea | 15:40 |
| mhall119 | I too was up thinking about it a lot | 15:40 |
| mhall119 | I've decided that we should use bzr to put all the snippets under version control, so they can undo changes | 15:41 |
| mhall119 | also, maybe in the future, they can collaborate with friends online, merging snippet changes back and forth | 15:41 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: on friday i'm running an OW session on gaming, was wondering whether you'd like to briefly talk about qimo..? | 15:44 |
| mhall119 | I shold be able to | 15:44 |
| bencrisford | at the moment I haven't included much about educational games in my prep | 15:44 |
| mhall119 | I'll be at work though | 15:44 |
| mhall119 | so no guarantees | 15:45 |
| bencrisford | and it could be a good chance to spread the word about qimo | 15:45 |
| mhall119 | I need to finish Qimo 2..... | 15:45 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: ok, I will prepare some stuff in case you cannot make it :) | 15:45 |
| mhall119 | I got part of the Ubiquity stuff done last night, need slides now | 15:45 |
| mhall119 | bencrisford: if you cover the games in Edubuntu, you'll pretty much cover what I have in Qimo | 15:45 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: well at the moment, I haven't actually prepared anything about educational games | 15:47 |
| bencrisford | then like 5 minutes ago it hit me that I really should :P | 15:47 |
| bencrisford | then I thought of you :) | 15:48 |
| mhall119 | lol | 15:48 |
| bencrisford | because there will probably be a load of people in the session with young kids | 15:48 |
| mhall119 | definitely talk about edubuntu too | 15:48 |
| bencrisford | yeah, I will | 15:48 |
| mhall119 | I have my last final this week, then hopefully I'll have a final version of Qimo the following week | 15:49 |
| mhall119 | then I can finally upgrade my laptop to Lucid | 15:49 |
| bencrisford | :) | 15:52 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: As for structure, I was thinking that we could do this as a classic myst style hypercard stack point-and-click for navigation and create all of the exercises so they are pretty stand-alone. | 15:55 |
| sbalneav | Morning all! | 15:55 |
| isforinsects | morning | 15:56 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: ping | 15:56 |
| mhall119 | isforinsects: that's kind of my idea too | 15:56 |
| mhall119 | it'll be easier that giving free range of motion | 15:56 |
| sbalneav | \o/ Year end is over, my life is returning to normal | 15:57 |
| sbalneav | win 2 | 15:57 |
| sbalneav | win 2 | 15:57 |
| mhall119 | sbalneav: lucky | 15:57 |
| sbalneav | buh | 15:57 |
| mhall119 | I have one final left | 15:57 |
| sbalneav | University? | 15:57 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 16:01 |
| mhall119 | finally finishing my bachelor's degree | 16:02 |
| sbalneav | Congrats! | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | thanks, one more year to go, if I can get all the classes I need without a scheduling conflict | 16:08 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: pong | 16:08 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: wow, congratulations! | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: So, year-end's over, and I can start getting back into the swing of things. There's some package bugs I think I can fix, how does the new workflow work? Should I update the package, post to my ppa, and have you or stgraber upload? | 16:13 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: basically, since you're part of the edubuntu council you're automatically part of edubuntu-dev as well | 16:14 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: Also, I'm going to pick this up again, and finish it off, so we can more onto re-working LDM: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/libpam-sshauth | 16:14 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: so you can technically upload any edubuntu-specific stuff at this stage, for other stuff it will need to be sponsored, the best way to do it is to create a bug if there isn't one already and to attach your debdiff to the bug report | 16:15 |
| sbalneav | OK, I'll start in on that. | 16:15 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: it's quite easy, I think you already know how to do that but if you need any help give me a ping | 16:15 |
| alkisg | Sorry for the offtopic, could someone tell me what's the correct preposition? "die of tumor" or "die from tumor"? | 16:19 |
| mhall119 | from I think | 16:19 |
| alkisg | Thank you :) | 16:20 |
| sbalneav | alkisg: "Died of a tumour" will also work. | 16:25 |
| mhall119 | that too | 16:29 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: we have a rewritten ldm somewhere on LP btw | 16:34 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: using a non-fullscreen greeter + plugin infrastructure for authentication | 16:34 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: currently with a good old SSH (using expect) module and a RDP one | 16:34 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: that's the work vvinet and simpoir made (finished last month IIRC) | 16:35 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: Ah, cool | 16:35 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: sorry I keep idling busy morning -_- | 16:35 |
| sbalneav | love to see it, we'll plug the pam into that, then. | 16:35 |
| stgraber | I haven't had much time to look at it yet though but if it's confirmed to work in a compatible way to what we have at the moment, I'll probably merge that into ldm-trunk soon | 16:35 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: what's your major? | 16:36 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/ltsp/ldm-trunk-nlnet | 16:36 |
| mhall119 | isforinsects: information technology | 16:55 |
| mhall119 | it's like CS, only less math and theory | 16:56 |
| mhall119 | I couldn't transfer into the CS program with my AS degree for some reason | 16:57 |
| sbalneav | mhall119: Trust me, unless you're doing something theoretical in your job, you'll NEVER use any of the math or theory. | 17:07 |
| sbalneav | Queing theory in networking turns into: "Geez, time to upgrade to gigabit networking" | 17:08 |
| sbalneav | Theory of Computation an Big-Oh notation turns into: "Why did you roll your own sort algorithm rather than use python's internal sort, you schmuck!" | 17:09 |
| sbalneav | And database theory turns into "Meh, throw another index on that table" | 17:10 |
| sbalneav | :) | 17:10 |
| sbalneav | Every other problem gets solved by: "Guess we need more ram/cpu/hard disk" | 17:11 |
| bencrisford | sbalneav: lol | 17:11 |
| bencrisford | mhall119: saw you were asking about a U1 game store | 17:26 |
| bencrisford | its on the brainstorm | 17:27 |
| bencrisford | and in the ubuntu-gaming mailing list | 17:27 |
| bencrisford | if you havent already seen it :) | 17:27 |
| bencrisford | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gaming/msg00263.html | 17:30 |
| isforinsects | sbalneav mhall119 well it's two different fields. CS is proving math on a computer, programming is building things. | 17:44 |
| isforinsects | I'm domewhere in the middle of the two schools: programing is fundimentally hard, programing is fundimentally easy. | 17:46 |
| sbalneav | isforinsects: Programming is fundamentally bug-ridden :) | 17:52 |
| isforinsects | heh | 17:53 |
| mhall119 | bencrisford: I hadn't seen it, but glad it's being discussed | 18:02 |
| isforinsects | mhall119: since we're in the brainstorimg phase of the cycle, is there a cache of educational application ideas anywhere? | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | what do you mean? | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | sbalneav: with the exception of the math, I'm learning all those other things | 18:08 |
| mhall119 | it's really very little difference between the IT and CS coursework | 18:08 |
| bencrisford | what are everyones thoughts on timetabling software? because I think it would be a great thing to include in edubuntu | 19:36 |
| bencrisford | at the moment me and a friend are planning on making a simple one | 19:36 |
| bencrisford | and I thought edubuntu would be a great way to distribute it, schools could use it for class timetables and students for revision | 19:37 |
| bencrisford | http://www.filebuzz.com/fileinfo/46408/iMagic_Timetable_Master.html - something like that | 19:37 |
| sbalneav | bencrisford: We talking about calendaring/scheduling? Or Multiplication Tables? | 19:57 |
| bencrisford | sbalneav: scheduling :), sorry should have made that clear :P | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | Group calendaring would be handy. We're currently examining Davical as the backend here at work. | 19:58 |
| sbalneav | Evolution's CalDAV support will plug into that. | 19:58 |
| bencrisford | sbalneav: ah ok, but I was thinking this could be specifically designed for class timetables and revision | 19:59 |
| bencrisford | that way it can be more simple and quick and easy to use | 19:59 |
| bencrisford | I was thinking you could also maybe have a feature where you say "I have a math exam coming up" and then if you dont include it in your revision | 20:00 |
| bencrisford | it can say "dude, you gotta revise maths!" | 20:00 |
| bencrisford | maybe without the "dude" though :) | 20:00 |
| sbalneav | No, I think having the software address you as "Dude!" is absolutely mandatory. | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | "Bro" or "Broheim" would also be acceptable. | 20:03 |
| sbalneav | "Brobuntu" | 20:04 |
| sbalneav | "Linux for Bro's" | 20:04 |
| mhall119 | "Dude you're getting an error!" | 20:08 |
| mhall119 | ln -s /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/dude | 20:09 |
| sbalneav | lol | 20:39 |
| sbalneav | dude apt-get upgrade | 20:40 |
| bencrisford | haha | 20:40 |
| sbalneav | I love it. | 20:40 |
| HedgeMage | hey, guys... | 20:41 |
| HedgeMage | I could really use some help coming up with an alternative site design based on the new branding | 20:41 |
| HedgeMage | I've been trying for days, but I got nothing | 20:42 |
| sbalneav | Hmmmm. | 20:42 |
| * HedgeMage grumbles | 20:42 | |
| sbalneav | "Needs more cowbell^H^H^H^Hpurple" | 20:42 |
| * HedgeMage bops sbalneav | 20:43 | |
| HedgeMage | sbalneav: no, et really, really doesn't :P | 20:43 |
| sbalneav | Got a pointer to one of your ideas? | 20:43 |
| sbalneav | I thought on go-live day the site looked new. | 20:43 |
| HedgeMage | Only the one for the old branding -- I've got NOTHING for the new stuff | 20:43 |
| HedgeMage | nah, they just changed the logo | 20:43 |
| sbalneav | ah | 20:44 |
| sbalneav | What's the name of the font being used now in the branding? | 20:44 |
| HedgeMage | I have no clue, though the topic in #ubuntu-artwork indicates that its under a closed license so we can't use it in any way for the rest of the site :/ | 20:48 |
| bencrisford | :O that sucks | 20:49 |
| bencrisford | HedgeMage: so you have the art? but you're having trouble making it work in a design? | 20:49 |
| HedgeMage | bencrisford: yeah, just got the logo like 2 days before launch (Canonical's doing, not highvoltage's) that's why the new site isn't up. | 20:51 |
| bencrisford | ah ok | 20:51 |
| highvoltage | hey HedgeMage! | 20:51 |
| HedgeMage | (For anyone who's interested, I plan to still include the old-branding theme, because I like it better, as edubuntu-oldschool and you can change to it in your profile so you see what when logged in.) | 20:51 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: I feel like I'm letting you down :( I have NO ideas for a theme with the new <muttered obscenities> logo. | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: you're not, don't stress about it | 20:52 |
| bencrisford | stgraber: a few weeks ago I asked you if I would be able to stick an edubuntu web button made by me on my blog and I think you said that was ok, what about on a friends site? is that still OK or does it need to be like "official web buttons" only? | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: the work that you've done still fixes most of the current bugs on the site | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: It would probably best to do the switch and then do the theme seperately | 20:53 |
| bencrisford | that sounds like a better idea to me as well :D, the ubuntu website hasnt switched yet anyway | 20:53 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: That works. I'm swamped tonight (work and a critical bug I need to patch before drupal7 can go to beta), but tomorrow night after I get home from the dojo, I'll work on getting the new site rolled out if someone with access to put files and a DB on the server will be available late in the evening. | 20:54 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: I'll be here and ready. | 20:56 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: awesome. LF goes to bed about 8pm EDT, so I'd be ready around 9 or 10 depending on if he has trouble sleeping again. | 20:58 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: ok :) | 21:19 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: it's a date then :) | 21:57 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: kewlies! | 22:05 |
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