[00:00] mhall119: I like your myst-like game idea. [00:01] thanks [00:01] maybe one day I'll have the time to make it a reality [00:01] bencrisford: No worries. The team doesn't have special access to bzr anyway. Doesn't the edubuntu advocacy team have a repo somewhere? [00:03] mhall119: I would be interested in working on the art/imersion parts. Also, I would be willing to brainstorm/write puzzles to solve. I don't believe my python-foo is strong enough to implement that part. [00:03] I'm pretty partial to pyturtle (aka logo) [00:07] isforinsects: cool, coming up with puzzle ideas i'll definitely need help with [00:08] maybe I'll make a prototype that people can use to build their own levels [00:13] mhall119: write up a spec [00:13] That is easy for me to commit to working on. [00:13] I am working on a spec for a program to explore atomic chemistry. [00:13] have you seek katomix? [00:14] or something like that [00:14] there's also a periodic table program in the KDE-edu suite [00:14] Choose how many of what elements to put into the workspace, and see them combine into molecules while showing representations of the various valence electron levels. [00:14] I reviewed all that I could find. [00:15] oh that would be cool [00:15] I just looked at screenshots of katomics unfortunately, I didn't want to install enough kde stuff to run it. [00:15] There are a good number of periodic table applications. And a great number of HARD CORE molecular modeling applications. [00:16] But none inbetween. [00:17] my goals are to invote deeper intuitive understanding of the relationships of the facts displayed on a periodic table and the chemical interactions. [00:19] isforinsects: there is a bzr branch for the team, for marketing materials etc. [00:19] I thought I made it so any member of the team could push to it [00:19] It's pretty easy for those who are 'left-brain' learners to pick up fundimental understandings of atomic chemistry. [00:19] for which team? the edubuntu team in general? [00:19] the edubuntu-advocacy team [00:20] https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+related-software [00:20] ? [00:21] isforinsects: https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+junk/edubuntu-advocacy [00:22] the readme explains everything I think [00:23] * bencrisford needs sleep, later guys [00:23] :) [00:35] isforinsects: if you want to help me brainstorm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/PythonGameIdea [00:49] etaliverto:^^ [02:00] mhall119: updated [03:18] anyone still awake? [04:18] highvoltage: you lied [04:22] I think [04:23] it looks like Ubiquity does use lsb-release [04:25] maybe not [04:25] it gets distro name from there, but I'm not sure where it's using it [04:25] then it's getting something else from /cdrom/.disk/info [04:36] dang this code is all over the place [04:43] making changes to one of those (or both) did the trick, the install now says it's installing Qimo, rather than Xubuntu [04:44] I'll try changing lsb-release back and see if it still works [04:44] I probably owe you an apology [07:58] mhall119: lsb_release has the same information whetheer you're using Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Cubuntu or Lubuntu, so we can safely assume it's not lsb_release :) [08:03] cubuntu?!! [08:21] Morning all, mhall119 - will look at that wiki page after my first coffee :) [09:31] alkisg: yes, cubuntu. that's xubuntu with a typo :) [09:32] highvoltage: heh, google says that there is indeed an unmaintained cubuntu (console ubuntu) :) [10:32] Edubuntu FTW. thanks highvoltage & team. [10:36] thanks zerlgi [10:37] zerlgi: I blog about it a lot but stgraber did just as much :) [10:37] ... sure. [10:38] Revolution Linux #ftw [10:47] hehe [11:01] :) [11:28] :( I've been putting off all my school-work/OW-prep until today.. and now im starting to regret it [13:25] Hi all! I am looking to up grade my LTSP server that we are using at home. It is a P4 3.2Ghz. Things have slowed down considerable upgrading to ltsp-5 on Ubuntu so I am wondering if anyone out there has any advice regarding performance differences between Intel DualCore (multiple cores) and Intel Core 2 Duo (multiple processors). [13:27] Intel dualCore or CoreDuo is only 32-bit capable, Core2Duo is usually 64-bit capable. [13:27] check for L1 Cache size. That is probably the most important issue for a multi-core system. [13:27] ... ie never, ever use a Celeron. [13:28] ... imho, 32-bit is fine, how many 64-bit compatible thin-clients are there anyway? [13:32] How big a L1 cache? [13:37] The ones I am looking at have a L2 cache of 3M or 2M. I do not see a mention of L1 cache. [13:38] thanks highvoltage, I'm gonna have to make a wiki of all these little bits of info that aren't documented anywhere [15:13] morning all [15:13] morning isforinsects [15:30] morning isforinsects ;) [15:33] mhall119: did you take a look at my example exercise? [15:34] I did late last night, yes [15:34] I like it [15:34] writing an efficient sorting/cataloging algorithm is definitely something to include [15:37] mhall119: I had a hard time sleeping last night (it's hot here). I ended up thinking about attaching symbolism to computer science constructs. [15:38] A color and symbol on in-game objects to signify that said object's datatype. [15:40] hmm, interesting idea [15:40] I too was up thinking about it a lot [15:41] I've decided that we should use bzr to put all the snippets under version control, so they can undo changes [15:41] also, maybe in the future, they can collaborate with friends online, merging snippet changes back and forth [15:44] mhall119: on friday i'm running an OW session on gaming, was wondering whether you'd like to briefly talk about qimo..? [15:44] I shold be able to [15:44] at the moment I haven't included much about educational games in my prep [15:44] I'll be at work though [15:45] so no guarantees [15:45] and it could be a good chance to spread the word about qimo [15:45] I need to finish Qimo 2..... [15:45] mhall119: ok, I will prepare some stuff in case you cannot make it :) [15:45] I got part of the Ubiquity stuff done last night, need slides now [15:45] bencrisford: if you cover the games in Edubuntu, you'll pretty much cover what I have in Qimo [15:47] mhall119: well at the moment, I haven't actually prepared anything about educational games [15:47] then like 5 minutes ago it hit me that I really should :P [15:48] then I thought of you :) [15:48] lol [15:48] because there will probably be a load of people in the session with young kids [15:48] definitely talk about edubuntu too [15:48] yeah, I will [15:49] I have my last final this week, then hopefully I'll have a final version of Qimo the following week [15:49] then I can finally upgrade my laptop to Lucid [15:52] :) [15:55] mhall119: As for structure, I was thinking that we could do this as a classic myst style hypercard stack point-and-click for navigation and create all of the exercises so they are pretty stand-alone. [15:55] Morning all! [15:56] morning [15:56] highvoltage: ping [15:56] isforinsects: that's kind of my idea too [15:56] it'll be easier that giving free range of motion [15:57] \o/ Year end is over, my life is returning to normal [15:57] win 2 [15:57] win 2 [15:57] sbalneav: lucky [15:57] buh [15:57] I have one final left [15:57] University? [16:01] yeah [16:02] finally finishing my bachelor's degree [16:03] Congrats! [16:08] thanks, one more year to go, if I can get all the classes I need without a scheduling conflict [16:08] sbalneav: pong [16:09] mhall119: wow, congratulations! [16:13] highvoltage: So, year-end's over, and I can start getting back into the swing of things. There's some package bugs I think I can fix, how does the new workflow work? Should I update the package, post to my ppa, and have you or stgraber upload? [16:14] sbalneav: basically, since you're part of the edubuntu council you're automatically part of edubuntu-dev as well [16:14] highvoltage: Also, I'm going to pick this up again, and finish it off, so we can more onto re-working LDM: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/libpam-sshauth [16:15] sbalneav: so you can technically upload any edubuntu-specific stuff at this stage, for other stuff it will need to be sponsored, the best way to do it is to create a bug if there isn't one already and to attach your debdiff to the bug report [16:15] OK, I'll start in on that. [16:15] sbalneav: it's quite easy, I think you already know how to do that but if you need any help give me a ping [16:19] Sorry for the offtopic, could someone tell me what's the correct preposition? "die of tumor" or "die from tumor"? [16:19] from I think [16:20] Thank you :) [16:25] alkisg: "Died of a tumour" will also work. [16:29] that too [16:34] sbalneav: we have a rewritten ldm somewhere on LP btw [16:34] sbalneav: using a non-fullscreen greeter + plugin infrastructure for authentication [16:34] sbalneav: currently with a good old SSH (using expect) module and a RDP one [16:35] sbalneav: that's the work vvinet and simpoir made (finished last month IIRC) [16:35] stgraber: Ah, cool [16:35] mhall119: sorry I keep idling busy morning -_- [16:35] love to see it, we'll plug the pam into that, then. [16:35] I haven't had much time to look at it yet though but if it's confirmed to work in a compatible way to what we have at the moment, I'll probably merge that into ldm-trunk soon [16:36] mhall119: what's your major? [16:36] sbalneav: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/ltsp/ldm-trunk-nlnet [16:55] isforinsects: information technology [16:56] it's like CS, only less math and theory [16:57] I couldn't transfer into the CS program with my AS degree for some reason [17:07] mhall119: Trust me, unless you're doing something theoretical in your job, you'll NEVER use any of the math or theory. [17:08] Queing theory in networking turns into: "Geez, time to upgrade to gigabit networking" [17:09] Theory of Computation an Big-Oh notation turns into: "Why did you roll your own sort algorithm rather than use python's internal sort, you schmuck!" [17:10] And database theory turns into "Meh, throw another index on that table" [17:10] :) [17:11] Every other problem gets solved by: "Guess we need more ram/cpu/hard disk" [17:11] sbalneav: lol [17:26] mhall119: saw you were asking about a U1 game store [17:27] its on the brainstorm [17:27] and in the ubuntu-gaming mailing list [17:27] if you havent already seen it :) [17:30] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gaming/msg00263.html [17:44] sbalneav mhall119 well it's two different fields. CS is proving math on a computer, programming is building things. [17:46] I'm domewhere in the middle of the two schools: programing is fundimentally hard, programing is fundimentally easy. [17:52] isforinsects: Programming is fundamentally bug-ridden :) [17:53] heh [18:02] bencrisford: I hadn't seen it, but glad it's being discussed [18:05] mhall119: since we're in the brainstorimg phase of the cycle, is there a cache of educational application ideas anywhere? [18:07] what do you mean? [18:08] sbalneav: with the exception of the math, I'm learning all those other things [18:08] it's really very little difference between the IT and CS coursework [19:36] what are everyones thoughts on timetabling software? because I think it would be a great thing to include in edubuntu [19:36] at the moment me and a friend are planning on making a simple one [19:37] and I thought edubuntu would be a great way to distribute it, schools could use it for class timetables and students for revision [19:37] http://www.filebuzz.com/fileinfo/46408/iMagic_Timetable_Master.html - something like that [19:57] bencrisford: We talking about calendaring/scheduling? Or Multiplication Tables? [19:57] sbalneav: scheduling :), sorry should have made that clear :P [19:58] Group calendaring would be handy. We're currently examining Davical as the backend here at work. [19:58] Evolution's CalDAV support will plug into that. [19:59] sbalneav: ah ok, but I was thinking this could be specifically designed for class timetables and revision [19:59] that way it can be more simple and quick and easy to use [20:00] I was thinking you could also maybe have a feature where you say "I have a math exam coming up" and then if you dont include it in your revision [20:00] it can say "dude, you gotta revise maths!" [20:00] maybe without the "dude" though :) [20:03] No, I think having the software address you as "Dude!" is absolutely mandatory. [20:03] "Bro" or "Broheim" would also be acceptable. [20:04] "Brobuntu" [20:04] "Linux for Bro's" [20:08] "Dude you're getting an error!" [20:09] ln -s /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/dude [20:39] lol [20:40] dude apt-get upgrade [20:40] haha [20:40] I love it. [20:41] hey, guys... [20:41] I could really use some help coming up with an alternative site design based on the new branding [20:42] I've been trying for days, but I got nothing [20:42] Hmmmm. [20:42] * HedgeMage grumbles [20:42] "Needs more cowbell^H^H^H^Hpurple" [20:43] * HedgeMage bops sbalneav [20:43] sbalneav: no, et really, really doesn't :P [20:43] Got a pointer to one of your ideas? [20:43] I thought on go-live day the site looked new. [20:43] Only the one for the old branding -- I've got NOTHING for the new stuff [20:43] nah, they just changed the logo [20:44] ah [20:44] What's the name of the font being used now in the branding? [20:48] I have no clue, though the topic in #ubuntu-artwork indicates that its under a closed license so we can't use it in any way for the rest of the site :/ [20:49] :O that sucks [20:49] HedgeMage: so you have the art? but you're having trouble making it work in a design? [20:51] bencrisford: yeah, just got the logo like 2 days before launch (Canonical's doing, not highvoltage's) that's why the new site isn't up. [20:51] ah ok [20:51] hey HedgeMage! [20:51] (For anyone who's interested, I plan to still include the old-branding theme, because I like it better, as edubuntu-oldschool and you can change to it in your profile so you see what when logged in.) [20:52] highvoltage: I feel like I'm letting you down :( I have NO ideas for a theme with the new logo. [20:52] HedgeMage: you're not, don't stress about it [20:52] stgraber: a few weeks ago I asked you if I would be able to stick an edubuntu web button made by me on my blog and I think you said that was ok, what about on a friends site? is that still OK or does it need to be like "official web buttons" only? [20:52] HedgeMage: the work that you've done still fixes most of the current bugs on the site [20:53] HedgeMage: It would probably best to do the switch and then do the theme seperately [20:53] that sounds like a better idea to me as well :D, the ubuntu website hasnt switched yet anyway [20:54] highvoltage: That works. I'm swamped tonight (work and a critical bug I need to patch before drupal7 can go to beta), but tomorrow night after I get home from the dojo, I'll work on getting the new site rolled out if someone with access to put files and a DB on the server will be available late in the evening. [20:56] HedgeMage: I'll be here and ready. [20:58] highvoltage: awesome. LF goes to bed about 8pm EDT, so I'd be ready around 9 or 10 depending on if he has trouble sleeping again. [21:19] HedgeMage: ok :) [21:57] highvoltage: it's a date then :) [22:05] HedgeMage: kewlies!