[00:00] <isforinsects> mhall119:  I like your myst-like game idea.
[00:01] <mhall119> thanks
[00:01] <mhall119> maybe one day I'll have the time to make it a reality
[00:01] <isforinsects> bencrisford: No worries.  The team doesn't have special access to bzr anyway.  Doesn't the edubuntu advocacy team have a repo somewhere?
[00:03] <isforinsects> mhall119: I would be interested in working on the art/imersion parts.  Also, I would be willing to brainstorm/write puzzles to solve.  I don't believe my python-foo is strong enough to implement that part.
[00:03] <isforinsects> I'm pretty partial to pyturtle (aka logo)
[00:07] <mhall119> isforinsects: cool, coming up with puzzle ideas i'll definitely need help with
[00:08] <mhall119> maybe I'll make a prototype that people can use to build their own levels
[00:13] <isforinsects> mhall119: write up a spec
[00:13] <isforinsects> That is easy for me to commit to working on.
[00:13] <isforinsects> I am working on a spec for a program to explore atomic chemistry.
[00:13] <mhall119> have you seek katomix?
[00:14] <mhall119> or something like that
[00:14] <mhall119> there's also a periodic table program in the KDE-edu suite
[00:14] <isforinsects> Choose how many of what elements to put into the workspace, and see them combine into molecules while showing representations of the various valence electron levels.
[00:14] <isforinsects> I reviewed all that I could find.
[00:15] <mhall119> oh that would be cool
[00:15] <isforinsects> I just looked at screenshots of katomics unfortunately, I didn't want to install enough kde stuff to run it.
[00:15] <isforinsects> There are a good number of periodic table applications.  And a great number of HARD CORE molecular modeling applications.
[00:16] <isforinsects> But none inbetween.
[00:17] <isforinsects> my goals are to invote deeper intuitive understanding of the relationships of the facts displayed on a periodic table and the chemical interactions.
[00:19] <bencrisford> isforinsects: there is a bzr branch for the team, for marketing materials etc.
[00:19] <bencrisford> I thought I made it so any member of the team could push to it
[00:19] <isforinsects> It's pretty easy for those who are 'left-brain' learners to pick up fundimental understandings of atomic chemistry.
[00:19] <isforinsects> for which team?  the edubuntu team in general?
[00:19] <bencrisford> the edubuntu-advocacy team
[00:20] <isforinsects> https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+related-software
[00:20] <isforinsects> ?
[00:21] <bencrisford> isforinsects: https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-advocacy/+junk/edubuntu-advocacy
[00:22] <bencrisford> the readme explains everything I think
[00:23]  * bencrisford needs sleep, later guys
[00:23] <bencrisford> :)
[00:35] <mhall119> isforinsects: if you want to help me brainstorm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/PythonGameIdea
[00:49] <mhall119> etaliverto:^^
[02:00] <isforinsects> mhall119: updated
[03:18] <isforinsects> anyone still awake?
[04:18] <mhall119> highvoltage: you lied
[04:22] <mhall119> I think
[04:23] <mhall119> it looks like Ubiquity does use lsb-release
[04:25] <mhall119> maybe not
[04:25] <mhall119> it gets distro name from there, but I'm not sure where it's using it
[04:25] <mhall119> then it's getting something else from /cdrom/.disk/info
[04:36] <mhall119> dang this code is all over the place
[04:43] <mhall119> making changes to one of those (or both) did the trick, the install now says it's installing Qimo, rather than Xubuntu
[04:44] <mhall119> I'll try changing lsb-release back and see if it still works
[04:44] <mhall119> I probably owe you an apology
[07:58] <highvoltage> mhall119: lsb_release has the same information whetheer you're using Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Cubuntu or Lubuntu, so we can safely assume it's not lsb_release :)
[08:03] <alkisg> cubuntu?!!
[08:21] <etaliverto> Morning all, mhall119 - will look at that wiki page after my first coffee :)
[09:31] <highvoltage> alkisg: yes, cubuntu. that's xubuntu with a typo :)
[09:32] <alkisg> highvoltage: heh, google says that there is indeed an unmaintained cubuntu (console ubuntu)  :)
[10:32] <zerlgi> Edubuntu FTW. thanks highvoltage & team.
[10:36] <highvoltage> thanks zerlgi
[10:37] <highvoltage> zerlgi: I blog about it a lot but stgraber did just as much :)
[10:37] <zerlgi> ... sure.
[10:38] <zerlgi> Revolution Linux #ftw
[10:47] <stgraber> hehe
[11:01] <highvoltage> :)
[11:28] <bencrisford> :( I've been putting off all my school-work/OW-prep until today..  and now im starting to regret it
[13:25] <frederickjh>  Hi all!  I am looking to up grade my LTSP server that we are using at home. It is a P4 3.2Ghz.  Things have slowed down considerable upgrading to ltsp-5 on Ubuntu so I am wondering if anyone out there has any advice regarding performance differences between Intel DualCore (multiple cores) and Intel Core 2 Duo (multiple processors).
[13:27] <zerlgi> Intel dualCore or CoreDuo is only 32-bit capable, Core2Duo is usually 64-bit capable.
[13:27] <zerlgi> check for L1 Cache size. That is probably the most important issue for a multi-core system.
[13:27] <zerlgi> ... ie never, ever use a Celeron.
[13:28] <zerlgi> ... imho, 32-bit is fine, how many 64-bit compatible thin-clients are there anyway?
[13:32] <frederickjh> How big a L1 cache?
[13:37] <frederickjh> The ones I am looking at have a L2 cache of 3M or 2M. I do not see a mention of L1 cache.
[13:38] <mhall119> thanks highvoltage, I'm gonna have to make a wiki of all these little bits of info that aren't documented anywhere
[15:13] <isforinsects> morning all
[15:13] <mhall119> morning isforinsects
[15:30] <bencrisford> morning isforinsects ;)
[15:33] <isforinsects> mhall119: did you take a look at my example exercise?
[15:34] <mhall119> I did late last night, yes
[15:34] <mhall119> I like it
[15:34] <mhall119> writing an efficient sorting/cataloging algorithm is definitely something to include
[15:37] <isforinsects> mhall119: I had a hard time sleeping last night (it's hot here). I ended up thinking about attaching symbolism to computer science constructs.
[15:38] <isforinsects> A color and symbol on in-game objects to signify that said object's datatype.
[15:40] <mhall119> hmm, interesting idea
[15:40] <mhall119> I too was up thinking about it a lot
[15:41] <mhall119> I've decided that we should use bzr to put all the snippets under version control, so they can undo changes
[15:41] <mhall119> also, maybe in the future, they can collaborate with friends online, merging snippet changes back and forth
[15:44] <bencrisford> mhall119: on friday i'm running an OW session on gaming, was wondering whether you'd like to briefly talk about qimo..?
[15:44] <mhall119> I shold be able to
[15:44] <bencrisford> at the moment I haven't included much about educational games in my prep
[15:44] <mhall119> I'll be at work though
[15:45] <mhall119> so no guarantees
[15:45] <bencrisford> and it could be a good chance to spread the word about qimo
[15:45] <mhall119> I need to finish Qimo 2.....
[15:45] <bencrisford> mhall119: ok, I will prepare some stuff in case you cannot make it :)
[15:45] <mhall119> I got part of the Ubiquity stuff done last night, need slides now
[15:45] <mhall119> bencrisford: if you cover the games in Edubuntu, you'll pretty much cover what I have in Qimo
[15:47] <bencrisford> mhall119: well at the moment, I haven't actually prepared anything about educational games
[15:47] <bencrisford> then like 5 minutes ago it hit me that I really should :P
[15:48] <bencrisford> then I thought of you :)
[15:48] <mhall119> lol
[15:48] <bencrisford> because there will probably be a load of people in the session with young kids
[15:48] <mhall119> definitely talk about edubuntu too
[15:48] <bencrisford> yeah, I will
[15:49] <mhall119> I have my last final this week, then hopefully I'll have a final version of Qimo the following week
[15:49] <mhall119> then I can finally upgrade my laptop to Lucid
[15:52] <bencrisford> :)
[15:55] <isforinsects> mhall119: As for structure, I was thinking that we could do this as a classic myst style hypercard stack point-and-click for navigation and create all of the exercises so they are pretty stand-alone.
[15:55] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[15:56] <isforinsects> morning
[15:56] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ping
[15:56] <mhall119> isforinsects: that's kind of my idea too
[15:56] <mhall119> it'll be easier that giving free range of motion
[15:57] <sbalneav> \o/ Year end is over, my life is returning to normal
[15:57] <sbalneav> win 2
[15:57] <sbalneav> win 2
[15:57] <mhall119> sbalneav: lucky
[15:57] <sbalneav> buh
[15:57] <mhall119> I have one final left
[15:57] <sbalneav> University?
[16:01] <mhall119> yeah
[16:02] <mhall119> finally finishing my bachelor's degree
[16:03] <sbalneav> Congrats!
[16:08] <mhall119> thanks, one more year to go, if I can get all the classes I need without a scheduling conflict
[16:08] <highvoltage> sbalneav: pong
[16:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: wow, congratulations!
[16:13] <sbalneav> highvoltage: So, year-end's over, and I can start getting back into the swing of things.  There's some package bugs I think I can fix, how does the new workflow work?  Should I update the package, post to my ppa, and have you or stgraber upload?
[16:14] <highvoltage> sbalneav: basically, since you're part of the edubuntu council you're automatically part of edubuntu-dev as well
[16:14] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Also, I'm going to pick this up again, and finish it off, so we can more onto re-working LDM: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/libpam-sshauth
[16:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: so you can technically upload any edubuntu-specific stuff at this stage, for other stuff it will need to be sponsored, the best way to do it is to create a bug if there isn't one already and to attach your debdiff to the bug report
[16:15] <sbalneav> OK, I'll start in on that.
[16:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it's quite easy, I think you already know how to do that but if you need any help give me a ping
[16:19] <alkisg> Sorry for the offtopic, could someone tell me what's the correct preposition? "die of tumor" or "die from tumor"?
[16:19] <mhall119> from I think
[16:20] <alkisg> Thank you :)
[16:25] <sbalneav> alkisg: "Died of a tumour" will also work.
[16:29] <mhall119> that too
[16:34] <stgraber> sbalneav: we have a rewritten ldm somewhere on LP btw
[16:34] <stgraber> sbalneav: using a non-fullscreen greeter + plugin infrastructure for authentication
[16:34] <stgraber> sbalneav: currently with a good old SSH (using expect) module and a RDP one
[16:35] <stgraber> sbalneav: that's the work vvinet and simpoir made (finished last month IIRC)
[16:35] <sbalneav> stgraber: Ah, cool
[16:35] <isforinsects> mhall119: sorry I keep idling busy morning -_-
[16:35] <sbalneav> love to see it, we'll plug the pam into that, then.
[16:35] <stgraber> I haven't had much time to look at it yet though but if it's confirmed to work in a compatible way to what we have at the moment, I'll probably merge that into ldm-trunk soon
[16:36] <isforinsects> mhall119: what's your major?
[16:36] <stgraber> sbalneav: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/ltsp/ldm-trunk-nlnet
[16:55] <mhall119> isforinsects: information technology
[16:56] <mhall119> it's like CS, only less math and theory
[16:57] <mhall119> I couldn't transfer into the CS program with my AS degree for some reason
[17:07] <sbalneav> mhall119: Trust me, unless you're doing something theoretical in your job, you'll NEVER use any of the math or theory.
[17:08] <sbalneav> Queing theory in networking turns into: "Geez, time to upgrade to gigabit networking"
[17:09] <sbalneav> Theory of Computation an Big-Oh notation turns into: "Why did you roll your own sort algorithm rather than use python's internal sort, you schmuck!"
[17:10] <sbalneav> And database theory turns into "Meh, throw another index on that table"
[17:10] <sbalneav> :)
[17:11] <sbalneav> Every other problem gets solved by: "Guess we need more ram/cpu/hard disk"
[17:11] <bencrisford> sbalneav: lol
[17:26] <bencrisford> mhall119: saw you were asking about a U1 game store
[17:27] <bencrisford> its on the brainstorm
[17:27] <bencrisford> and in the ubuntu-gaming mailing list
[17:27] <bencrisford> if you havent already seen it :)
[17:30] <bencrisford> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gaming/msg00263.html
[17:44] <isforinsects> sbalneav mhall119  well it's two different fields.  CS is proving math on a computer, programming is building things.
[17:46] <isforinsects> I'm domewhere in the middle of the two schools: programing is fundimentally hard, programing is fundimentally easy.
[17:52] <sbalneav> isforinsects: Programming is fundamentally bug-ridden :)
[17:53] <isforinsects> heh
[18:02] <mhall119> bencrisford: I hadn't seen it, but glad it's being discussed
[18:05] <isforinsects> mhall119: since we're in the brainstorimg phase of the cycle, is there a cache of educational application ideas anywhere?
[18:07] <mhall119> what do you mean?
[18:08] <mhall119> sbalneav: with the exception of the math, I'm learning all those other things
[18:08] <mhall119> it's really very little difference between the IT and CS coursework
[19:36] <bencrisford> what are everyones thoughts on timetabling software?  because I think it would be a great thing to include in edubuntu
[19:36] <bencrisford> at the moment me and a friend are planning on making a simple one
[19:37] <bencrisford> and I thought edubuntu would be a great way to distribute it, schools could use it for class timetables and students for revision
[19:37] <bencrisford> http://www.filebuzz.com/fileinfo/46408/iMagic_Timetable_Master.html - something like that
[19:57] <sbalneav> bencrisford: We talking about calendaring/scheduling? Or Multiplication Tables?
[19:57] <bencrisford> sbalneav: scheduling :), sorry should have made that clear :P
[19:58] <sbalneav> Group calendaring would be handy.  We're currently examining Davical as the backend here at work.
[19:58] <sbalneav> Evolution's CalDAV support will plug into that.
[19:59] <bencrisford> sbalneav: ah ok, but I was thinking this could be specifically designed for class timetables and revision
[19:59] <bencrisford> that way it can be more simple and quick and easy to use
[20:00] <bencrisford> I was thinking you could also maybe have a feature where you say "I have a math exam coming up" and then if you dont include it in your revision
[20:00] <bencrisford> it can say "dude, you gotta revise maths!"
[20:00] <bencrisford> maybe without the "dude" though :)
[20:03] <sbalneav> No, I think having the software address you as "Dude!" is absolutely mandatory.
[20:03] <sbalneav> "Bro" or "Broheim" would also be acceptable.
[20:04] <sbalneav> "Brobuntu"
[20:04] <sbalneav> "Linux for Bro's"
[20:08] <mhall119> "Dude you're getting an error!"
[20:09] <mhall119> ln -s /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/dude
[20:39] <sbalneav> lol
[20:40] <sbalneav> dude apt-get upgrade
[20:40] <bencrisford> haha
[20:40] <sbalneav> I love it.
[20:41] <HedgeMage> hey, guys...
[20:41] <HedgeMage> I could really use some help coming up with an alternative site design based on the new branding
[20:42] <HedgeMage> I've been trying for days, but I got nothing
[20:42] <sbalneav> Hmmmm.
[20:42]  * HedgeMage grumbles
[20:42] <sbalneav> "Needs more cowbell^H^H^H^Hpurple"
[20:43]  * HedgeMage bops sbalneav 
[20:43] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: no, et really, really doesn't :P
[20:43] <sbalneav> Got a pointer to one of your ideas?
[20:43] <sbalneav> I thought on go-live day the site looked new.
[20:43] <HedgeMage> Only the one for the old branding -- I've got NOTHING for the new stuff
[20:43] <HedgeMage> nah, they just changed the logo
[20:44] <sbalneav> ah
[20:44] <sbalneav> What's the name of the font being used now in the branding?
[20:48] <HedgeMage> I have no clue, though the topic in #ubuntu-artwork indicates that its under a closed license so we can't use it in any way for the rest of the site :/
[20:49] <bencrisford> :O that sucks
[20:49] <bencrisford> HedgeMage: so you have the art?  but you're having trouble making it work in a design?
[20:51] <HedgeMage> bencrisford: yeah, just got the logo like 2 days before launch (Canonical's doing, not highvoltage's) that's why the new site isn't up.
[20:51] <bencrisford> ah ok
[20:51] <highvoltage> hey HedgeMage!
[20:51] <HedgeMage> (For anyone who's interested, I plan to still include the old-branding theme, because I like it better, as edubuntu-oldschool and you can change to it in your profile so you see what when logged in.)
[20:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I feel like I'm letting you down :(  I have NO ideas for a theme with the new <muttered obscenities> logo.
[20:52] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: you're not, don't stress about it
[20:52] <bencrisford> stgraber: a few weeks ago I asked you if I would be able to stick an edubuntu web button made by me on my blog and I think you said that was ok, what about on a friends site?  is that still OK or does it need to be like "official web buttons" only?
[20:52] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: the work that you've done still fixes most of the current bugs on the site
[20:53] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: It would probably best to do the switch and then do the theme seperately
[20:53] <bencrisford> that sounds like a better idea to me as well :D, the ubuntu website hasnt switched yet anyway
[20:54] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: That works.  I'm swamped tonight (work and a critical bug I need to patch before drupal7 can go to beta), but tomorrow night after I get home from the dojo, I'll work on getting the new site rolled out if someone with access to put files and a DB on the server will be available late in the evening.
[20:56] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I'll be here and ready.
[20:58] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: awesome.  LF goes to bed about 8pm EDT, so I'd be ready around 9 or 10 depending on if he has trouble sleeping again.
[21:19] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok :)
[21:57] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: it's a date then :)
[22:05] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: kewlies!