[00:34] <ScottK> jussi: Thanks.
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[04:34] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: ping
[04:35] <nixternal> k, i will try you tomorrow...chilling for the rest of the night then heading to bed...long weekend of bicycle racing...totally exhausted and weirdly sunburned
[05:01] <maco> nixternal: not as weird as falling asleep sunbathing with your hand on your tummy, i hope?
[06:41] <jussi> maco: LOL
[10:57] <jussi> Well done to everyone on a great release - upgrade went almost perfect, just a small pioneers bug (not kubuntu's fault) and needed to remove the plasma config files. all good :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> \o/ cold coffee
[11:42]  * apachelogger finds it scary that he can write C that looks more complex than assembly ^^
[11:48] <Tm_T> assembly is simple
[12:31]  * JontheEchidna joins the sunburned club
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[13:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: see, that is why I do not like the sun ;)
[13:42]  * jussi puts the pasty white apachelogger in the basement to work :D
[14:03] <txwikinger> well.. it is really nice that KDE implemented some of my feature-requests I made :)
[14:03]  * txwikinger is just a little disturbed that the lucid upgrade deleted his autofs mount configuration without even telling
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[14:39] <ofirk> amichair: you here?
[14:39] <amichair> ofirk: indeed I am!
[14:39] <ofirk> amichair: how are you?
[14:40] <amichair> ofirk: other than a bit of arm strain, all is well :-)
[14:40] <amichair> (arm the limb, not the processor ;-) )
[14:40] <ofirk> amichair: ok, than I can I ask you a question about ubiquity?
[14:40] <amichair> ofirk: sure
[14:41] <amichair> ofirk: (btw there's #ubuntu-installer where the expert are)
[14:42] <ofirk> amichair: I found some RTL bugs
[14:42] <ofirk> amichair: in the qt frontend...
[14:42] <ofirk> amichair: for example, the arrows are inversed...
[14:43] <ofirk> amichair: so, I though, since it is written in Python, and I only afraid from C++, why not try fixing this bug?
[14:44] <amichair> ofirk: right on!
[14:44] <ofirk> amichair: I looked at the code and found that in order to display the right arrow you need to add QApplication::isRightToLeft()
[14:44] <ofirk> amichair: look at this:
[14:44] <ofirk> if ( QApplication::isRightToLeft() ) {
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->yearForward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-left-double" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->yearBackward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-right-double" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->monthForward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-left" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->monthBackward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-right" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> +        d->yearForward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-next-rtl" ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> +        d->yearBackward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-previous-rtl" ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> +        d->monthForward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-next-rtl" ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> +        d->monthBackward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-previous-rtl" ) );
[14:44] <ofirk>      } else {
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->yearForward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-right-double" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->yearBackward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-left-double" ) ) );
[14:44] <ofirk> -        d->monthForward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-right" ) ) );
[14:45] <amichair> ofirk: pastebin?
[14:45] <ofirk> -        d->monthBackward->setIcon( KIcon( QLatin1String( "arrow-left" ) ) );
[14:45] <ofirk> +        d->yearForward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-next" ) );
[14:45] <ofirk> +        d->yearBackward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-previous" ) );
[14:45] <ofirk> +        d->monthForward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-next" ) );
[14:45] <ofirk> +        d->monthBackward->setIcon( KIcon( "go-previous" ) );
[14:45] <ofirk>      }
[14:45]  * ofirk forgot about pastebin
[14:45] <ofirk> oops
[14:45] <amichair> !pastebin
[14:45] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[14:45] <amichair> ofirk: np :-)
[14:46] <amichair> I see u opened bug #563687
[14:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 563687 in ubiquity "Arrows are reversed in RTL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563687
[14:46] <ofirk> amichair: yeah, before the release
[14:46] <ofirk> amichair: never thought that I would fix it :)
[14:47] <ofirk> amichair: I don't know if there are any rules of how to fix things and how to submit them
[14:48] <ofirk> amichair: can you be my mentor for this bug fix?
[14:49] <ofirk> amichair: the bug is easy to fix, but I don't know how to submit the fix, to where, how???
[14:49] <amichair> ofirk: u can either submit a patch to the bug report, or (what I do) work on my own branch and then find someone to review+commit it (JontheEchidna is most helpful with such things :-) )
[14:49] <amichair> ofirk: have u worked with bzr?
[14:50] <ofirk> amichair: yes
[14:50] <ofirk> amichair: so I need to keep only the fixed files on my branch?
[14:51] <amichair> u can "bzr branch" off of trunk, this will give u a full local working copy. then u work normally - fix things, make commits, and push it (to ur own lp branch location) - then just find a commiter to nudge
[14:53] <amichair> it's handy to use dch before committing to update the changelog with the proper format, and u can specify the lp bug it closes, e.g. "Fix arrows RTL bug in KDE frontend (LP: #563687)"
[14:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 563687 in ubiquity "Arrows are reversed in RTL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563687
[14:54] <amichair> and finally use debcommit, which knowns how to add the right parameters to bzr commit to make the link from the changelog to the actual bug
[14:55] <ofirk> amichair: all of this is from the CLI, right?
[14:55] <amichair> yep
[14:56] <amichair> specifically working with ubiquity can be tricky because u need a VM to test all the bootup/installation stuff, but for the buttons u can probably do without
[14:57] <ofirk> amichair: I am actually working with Bazzar Explorer
[14:57] <amichair> oh, don't know it...
[14:57] <ofirk> amichair: I am a nOOb... :)
[14:57] <amichair> ofirk: me too :-)
[14:57] <ofirk> it is a GUI for bzr
[14:58] <ofirk> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/explorer/en/index.html
[14:58] <amichair> for exploring and stuff it can be useful, but I'd stick to the deb tools for the actual commit because of all the extra integration it does (unless bzr explorer does it too)
[14:58] <ofirk> it has a good integration with lp
[14:59] <amichair> then feel free to use it :-)
[14:59] <ofirk> I will try :)
[15:00] <ofirk> thanks amichair for your help!
[15:00] <amichair> for experimenting with the bug closing/changelog stuff, remember u can always uncommit the last commit if it didn't do what u want :-)
[15:00] <ofirk> even after a long time?
[15:01] <ofirk> you wrote always so I guess: yes!
[15:01] <amichair> as long as it's the last one. cherrypicking bad commits down the log is more of a problem (not sure how to, actually)
[15:03] <amichair> can bzr exlorer show u the console or command output, so u can see exactly what it's doing? that can be helpful too
[15:04] <ofirk> yes, it displays everything it does
[15:04] <amichair> ok, so u can make sure it adds the bug closing parameters etc. if it has a deb changelog editor, that's really neat.
[15:05] <txwikinger> where did ssh-askpass-kde gp?
[15:05] <txwikinger> go?
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[15:08] <ofirk> amichair: you said that a VM is needed in order to test ubiquity
[15:08] <ofirk> amichair: how exactly you test it?
[15:09] <amichair> ofirk: I also suggested that for just testing the gui u can probably do without and keep it simple :-)
[15:09] <amichair> I like virtualbox personally
[15:09] <ofirk> amichair: yeah, I know
[15:09] <ofirk> amichair:  but just for curiosity
[15:09] <amichair> I make a snapshot right after everything is setup
[15:10] <amichair> then copy the relevant ubiquity files over using share, and run it
[15:11] <amichair> although for little fixes and experiments u can just edit on the guest VM directly and when u get it right copy the changes back to the host
[15:12] <ofirk> so you install kubuntu, then ubiquity, and make a snapshot from it
[15:12] <ofirk> then everytime you need to test a change, you just replace the relevant file
[15:12] <amichair> u can also make a snapshot straight from the live session without installing
[15:13] <ofirk> nice, I like this method
[15:13] <amichair> u can prepare whatever u need (tools, vim, script, even guest addins etc) and then take the snapshot so next time it's all set to go
[15:14] <ofirk> virtualbox is awesome!
[15:14] <ofirk> it is fast and simple
[15:14] <amichair> yeah, I really like it ever since I first tried it in the windows days
[15:15] <ofirk> have you ever used vmware?
[15:15] <amichair> I used to run kubuntu under windows, but nowadays it's the other way around. or more often, kubuntu in kubuntu :-)
[15:16] <amichair> not recently, maybe gave vmware a shot a few years back, but ever since virtualbox I haven't been missing anything
[15:16] <ofirk> you are right :)
[15:17] <txwikinger> hmm the whole ssh-agent stuff does not work anymore at all
[15:17] <ofirk> I don't like vmware because it is bloated
[15:18] <ofirk> and IMHO also slower than virtualbox
[15:19] <amichair> I hope Oracle have good plans for it. Although there's always GPL protection :-)
[15:21] <ofirk> apachelogger is a sysadmin?
[15:21] <apachelogger> fortunately not ^^
[15:22] <ofirk> yeah :)
[15:25] <ofirk> amichair: thanks again for your help!
[15:27] <amichair> Damn, homemade hummus doesn't play nice with homemade bread
[15:27] <ofirk> lol
[15:27] <amichair> it's all crumbling up on me!
[15:27] <ofirk> homemade bread is delicious !!!!!!
[15:28] <nixternal> maco: I did that on my honeymoon...my x and I fell asleep on the beach, and my hand was on my chest....not cool...i had a big white hand print while the rest of me was the color of a lobster
[15:29] <ofirk> hello nixternal!
[15:29] <ofirk> funny story :)
[15:29] <amichair> lol nixternal
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I can't say that my sunburns are quite as interesting, just your normal red face and forearms/hands
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> I'm not too badly burned either
[15:35] <amichair> I've only got some LCD burns at the moment
[15:36] <amichair> but summer is getting near...
[15:36] <ofirk> lol
[15:37] <ofirk> I once had sunburns all over my face and on way back home I fall asleep in the car with the air conditioner on half of my face. when I woke up I had half face red, half face white
[15:40] <nixternal> hola...i am so out of it today...sun has killed me
[15:40] <Tm_T> nixternal: you sick man, didn't you know that sun is just out there to kill us?!
[15:41] <nixternal> Tm_T: yes, it is a death star for sure
[15:41] <nixternal> the funny thing is, it was freakin' cloudy for 90% of the day yesterday
[15:42] <nixternal> i wore a long sleeve shirt which is light, so it is good for temps between 60 and 80f....so when it got a bit warm, i would push the sleeves up a little, just below the elbow...so my sun burn is my hands up to just below my elbow
[15:58] <nixternal> are you fucking kidding me? not one of our Kubuntu sessions were excepted into Open Week?
[15:58] <nixternal> that is horseshit, and I am super pissed right now
[15:59] <shtylman> nixternal: what is open week?
[16:01] <nixternal> it is where a ton of people come around on irc and listen to you talk about your project, how to get involved, and what not
[16:01] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:01] <nixternal> we have them after every release
[16:02] <shtylman> cool
[16:04] <amichair> No Kubuntu at all? That's crazy!
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> Nobody was approached at all about Kubuntu sessions? :/
[16:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, I put in for 2 sessions
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> wtf
[16:06] <nixternal> one for today to be about getting involved in Kubuntu, and we said DarkwingDuck_ would be best, since he is our newest member and got to work around here with the quickness
[16:06] <nixternal> then the 2nd was going to be a Q&A with me and Riddell like we always do
[16:06] <amichair> ofirk: shtylman worked on ubiquity gui if u have questions. (Whatever happened to that pastebin?)
[16:07] <ofirk> amichair: ok, thanks
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-aqqw2tjfdjnk3vvw2ezimryzv2armqwb-jpeg.jpeg
[16:09] <amichair> ofirk: Of course I'd be happy to help too, but I don't know as much :-)
[16:10] <amichair> JontheEchidna: is that you?
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> No, that's The Master from Doctor Who
[16:11] <amichair> lol
[16:11] <amichair> never got around to that yet...
[16:12] <amichair> where is a good place to start? How many seasons in the current run?
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> five
[16:14] <amichair> is it ok to start there without knowing anything on the previous history?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> starting with the start of the new run should be fine
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> e.g. you don't have to watch the 30 years of classic who to get things in the new series
[16:15] <amichair> phew! :-)
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> (I've only ever watched the first season of the classic series, tbh)
[16:20] <amichair> JontheEchidna: Great, I'll give it a go sometime, see what all the fuss is about : -)
[16:23] <nixternal> oh, this sun burn shit is killing me, and i have to ride today
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[16:26] <nixternal> anyone up for doing a kubuntu session anytime this week at either 14:00 or 21:00 UTC?
[16:28] <maco> JontheEchidna: doctor who is scary!
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> after the last two week's episodes, I'll agree
[16:29] <maco> JontheEchidna: oh oh sarah jane too! it took me like 5 hours of *watch 2 minutes* *get freaked out* *help people in #ubuntu* to get through the Eternity Trap
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> I've not gotten the chance to watch any of the spinoffs yet, been too busy with other things
[16:30] <maco> sarah jane's a kid's show. its on CBBC
[16:31] <apachelogger> amichair, JontheEchidna: the fact that it is not necessary does not mean you shouldnt do it :P
[16:31] <apachelogger> you are missing out if you dont IMHO
[16:32] <nixternal> anyone up for doing a kubuntu session anytime this week at either 14:00 or 21:00 UTC?
[16:32] <nixternal> anyone up for doing a kubuntu session anytime this week at either 14:00 or 21:00 UTC?
[16:32] <nixternal> anyone up for doing a kubuntu session anytime this week at either 14:00 or 21:00 UTC?
[16:32] <nixternal> there, i know someone saw it this time
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:32] <nixternal> i can't do that this week, so i am out
[16:32] <Tm_T> not me
[16:32] <apachelogger> saw what?
[16:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: Igor
[16:32] <apachelogger> Saw 6 \o/
[16:32] <nixternal> you need your eyes checked
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> I have finals this week...
[16:33] <apachelogger> .comm	crypt_runs,4,4 :P
[16:33] <apachelogger> take that
[16:33] <nixternal> 14:00 == 09:00 here, and I am sleeping...you aren't waking me up early to volunteer for something :p
[16:33] <nixternal> 21:00 == 16:00 here, and that is bike riding time
[16:33]  * apachelogger wants everyone to note how he made an encrypt() function do crypt runs ^^
[16:33] <apachelogger> ive got them all ... spoky ghosts and undead bodies
[16:34] <apachelogger> reminds me on medievil for the playstation
[16:35] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kVxueYC7o
[17:26] <delight> did anybody notice that in lucid usermanagement in systemsettings is not working 100% correctly ? if you add a user and tell it the user should be able to administer the system its not adding the group admin its adding the group adm .. which is not in default sudoers file ... result no admin rights for the new user
[17:28] <delight> sebas: btw ... remember that problem where my network was not starting ... this just happened on boxes where the ubuntu-desktop was installed in parallel (bad idea as it shows) ... i was able to reactivate it by loging into gnome. that networkmanager had a switch to activate the network.
[18:01] <BentJ> i have upgrade my kubuntu from hardy to lucid, afterwards the sound has gone (tested by using Amarok). A workaround to bring the sound back, is to stop Amarok, and then to delete ~/.pulse/*runtime .. The sound is back until next reboot ... But what is the root cause?
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[18:14] <ScottK> Sounds like you have pulseaudio installed and that's not the default for Kubuntu (although it's working ~fine here).  I'd try removing that.
[18:15] <BentJ> ok, I'll try that
[18:15] <BentJ> Thanks ;)
[18:16] <Riddell> evening
[18:17] <jjesse> evening Riddell
[18:32] <Mamarok> is there a reason to set the #kubuntu-netbook channel for invite only?
[18:34] <Mamarok> anyone?
[18:35] <ScottK> Mamarok: It's supposed to be forwarding to #kubuntu.
[18:35] <ScottK> I'm trying to get rid of it.
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[18:35]  * ScottK looks at jussi.
[18:35] <Mamarok> ScottK: ah, thanks :)
[18:35] <jussi> Mamarok: because you are already in #kubuntu
[18:36] <Mamarok> well, you must have changed that very recently, this morning I was still able to join
[18:36] <jussi> ScottK: btw, did you get a chance to do those gobby backports?
[18:36] <ScottK> jussi: I have not.
[18:36] <jussi> Mamarok: still able to join or still joined?
[18:37] <jussi> ScottK: perhaps you want to: /msg chanserv clear #kubuntu-netbook users reason goes here
[18:37] <Mamarok> well, still joined
[18:37] <jussi> which will clear everyone out of there
[18:37] <jussi> Mamarok: yeah, we didnt boot everyone... yet
[18:38]  * ScottK treis.
[18:40] <ScottK> jussi: Thanks.  Works.
[18:40] <jussi> :)
[18:40] <ScottK> jussi: How do we get rid of the ChanServ?
[18:40] <maco> ScottK: turn off guard on teh channel?
[18:40] <jussi> ScottK: just leave it for now
[18:41] <ScottK> jussi: OK.
[18:41] <ScottK> So I guess I just leave and call it done then.
[18:41] <jussi> we will drop the channel in a week or 2, when people have gotten used to it not being there.
[18:41] <ScottK> OK.
[18:42] <tsimpson> on a side-note, #kubuntu-testers could probably do with closing too
[18:43] <BentJ> ScottK: Thanks it worked ;)
[18:44] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[18:49] <ScottK> jussi: I removed it from the ChannelList wiki page too.
[18:49] <jussi> ScottK: excellent
[18:58] <rgreening_> hey all
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[19:03] <neversfelde> hi rgreening
[19:03] <rgreening> neversfelde: I am fixing the workspace build now. forgot to remove one of the patches from the series file.
[19:03] <rgreening> doh
[19:03] <rgreening> :)
[19:03] <neversfelde> rgreening: I did that and testbuild a few minutes ago
[19:04] <neversfelde> ftbfs
[19:04] <rgreening> neversfelde: let me deal with it
[19:04] <neversfelde> ok
[19:04] <rgreening> any other packages need uploading?
[19:05] <neversfelde> we are far away from being complete
[19:05] <neversfelde> I'll start with a minor package now
[19:06] <rgreening> neversfelde: ok. I'll get workspace done asap. Im building now.
[19:06] <neversfelde> great
[19:08] <rgreening> neversfelde: anyone else helping build? I know some folks were/are away...
[19:09] <apparle> apachelogger: ping
[19:09] <ScottK> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/Screenshots%20Funstuff/MSOffice.jpg
[19:09] <neversfelde> rgreening: there ware no progress over the weekend, so everyone seems to be on holiday
[19:10] <rgreening> heh. ya. I was in same boat. thought Id have some cycles... but never did. back at it now..
[19:10] <neversfelde> same for me :)
[19:10] <rgreening> ScottK: that is farked
[19:10] <rgreening> lol
[19:12] <apparle> ScottK: what's that...
[19:12] <ScottK> MS Office.
[19:14] <jjesse> wow that's an awesome pic of ms office
[19:15] <neversfelde> I had a job interview lately, they didn't want to employ me, because I do not have enough experience with MS Office, now I know why :)
[19:15] <apparle> :D
[19:16] <txwikinger> ScottK: Do you know by chance how to get ssh-agent with kde to work?
[19:16] <ScottK> No.  I don't use it.
[19:28] <rgreening> neversfelde: when the build failed for you, how far along was the fail?
[19:31] <neversfelde> rgreening: I can upload the build log, if you want?
[19:31] <rgreening> na. just curious. Im at 15% now...
[19:32] <neversfelde> rgreening: at the end, a cp failed
[19:32] <rgreening> neversfelde: ok. I can deal with that easy enough. ty
[19:43] <rgreening> 42%
[19:52] <neversfelde> 77 %
[19:52] <neversfelde> Winner
[19:57] <rgreening> lol
[19:57] <rgreening> 73% .... come on speed up ..
[19:57] <rgreening> I need to be building on my cluster... I'll be setting that up as a build server in a few months I guess...
[20:09] <bulldog98> hi I’m trying to branch the following branch: lp:ubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-docs and lp:~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks , but I get an Error
[20:10] <bulldog98> sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
[20:10] <bulldog98> Permission denied (publickey).
[20:10] <bulldog98> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[20:11] <bulldog98> neversfelde had the idea that you have to be ubuntu-member to branch it but normaly an checkout should work
[20:29] <ScottK> Did you try a checkout?
[20:39] <bulldog98> ScottK: yes
[20:40] <neversfelde> bulldog98: at least the docs should have nothing to do with being a kubuntu member or not, so there is something wrong with your bzr setup
[20:41] <bulldog98> hm that’s not good
[20:42] <neversfelde> bulldog98: check your ssh keys, I'd say
[20:42] <bulldog98> neversfelde: ok
[20:47] <bulldog98> neversfelde: reimporting into launchpad didn’t helped
[20:48] <bulldog98> s/helped/help/
[20:49] <neversfelde> bulldog98: no idea sorry
[20:51] <ScottK> Probably ask in #launchpad.
[20:52] <bulldog98> ScottK: I’ll do that
[20:55] <rgreening> neversfelde: found the issue. kdebase-workspace-dev.install hardcoded 4.4.2 in the path for come of the cmake files. Never picked it up on test build against 4.4.2, but FTBFS on 4.4.3 becasue of it. Uploading in a few minutes
[20:55] <rgreening> s/come/some
[20:56] <neversfelde> sounds good
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[21:06] <ofirk> amichair: hi :D
[21:11] <rgreening> neversfelde: I uploaded new revision. My build complained at end about some duplication, but I think that came out of the build fail I was in... I'll check on it later and see if it built, and if not, work on any needed fix.
[21:12] <neversfelde> rgreening: I will finish kdenetwork and go to bed, so I will not fix anything till tomorrow
[21:12]  * neversfelde crosses fingers
[21:12] <rgreening> heh
[21:12] <rgreening> np
[21:13] <rgreening> Im working kdeutils, then going home. will check back later neversfelde.
[21:17] <neversfelde> rgreening: get home save and gn8
[21:17] <rgreening> heh. yar
[21:17] <rgreening> :)
[21:18] <rgreening> ScottK: are we leaving standards version at 3.8.3 or bump to 3.8.4?
[21:18] <ScottK> rgreening: For 4.4.3, leave it.
[21:18] <rgreening> k. thought so
[21:18] <ScottK> Really we should only bump when merging frm Debian and they've bumped.
[21:18] <rgreening> yeah
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[22:03] <bulldog98> neversfelde: works now
[22:05] <bulldog98> neversfelde: had to use clone
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[22:35] <apachelogger> bug 574460 is sort of fun
[22:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 574460 in akonadi "akonadi not operational - no contacts shown in kontact" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574460
[22:37] <apachelogger> see, the reported got rid of the earlier innodb error by randomly switching settings
[22:37] <apachelogger> one of them happened to be StartServer=false
[22:37] <apachelogger> which now makes akonadi not start the internal mysql but try to connect to a global mysqld
[22:38] <apachelogger> suffice to say there is none, making akonadi go down the drain
[22:53] <Sput> gotta love users
[23:06] <apparle> apachelogger: hi...
[23:07] <amichair> ofirk: evenin'
[23:07] <apachelogger> apparle: yo
[23:07] <apparle> apachelogger: I had some chat on API for package management...
[23:08] <apparle> apachelogger: found this http://drfav.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/introducing-shaman-a-new-universal-package-management-frontend/
[23:10] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:10] <ofirk> amichair: hi
[23:10] <ofirk> amichair: can you look at this? http://pastebin.com/xXU2urn0
[23:11] <apparle> apachelogger: just thought I would tell you.... after all that discussion we had yesterday......
[23:11] <amichair> ofirk: look at this I can
[23:11]  * apachelogger notes that KDE has default widgets for foward/back which should be used
[23:12] <apachelogger> imagine the code duplication if we had that kind of if for all progressing buttons :)
[23:12] <ofirk> is there any other way of fixing it?
[23:12] <ofirk> it is related to bug 563687
[23:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 563687 in ubiquity "Arrows are reversed in RTL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563687
[23:12] <apachelogger> apparle: I know about it, I do not think very highly of it though, I have yet to see a stable api spec et al ... it is a movement in the right direction though
[23:13] <apparle> apachelogger: talked to the dev for mentoring ...... for working on it
[23:13] <amichair> ofirk: whatever apachelogger says, I shall concur :-)
[23:14] <ofirk> this kind of bugs make kubuntu look un-professional
[23:16] <ofirk> some big israeli news sites are publishing reviews on Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[23:16] <ofirk> the first thing they look for is this kind of things which actually make a wrong impression about Kubuntu
[23:16] <apachelogger> ofirk, amichair: deriving from the right class would solve that issue ;)
[23:19] <ofirk> apachelogger: I found the solution here http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=119572601811622&w=2
[23:20] <ofirk> apachelogger: actually, the only problem is for the arrow icons, so it shouldn't be a big deal
[23:21]  * apachelogger thinks that kdatepicker is quite different from ubiquity
[23:21] <apachelogger> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKDatePicker.html
[23:21] <apachelogger> it implements own buttonization
[23:22] <apachelogger> ubiquity on the other hand is a dialog, so it should just implement the right kind of dialog class or someone should introduce appropriate movement buttons in some generic class
[23:23] <ofirk> I will look at other projects to see what they do
[23:24] <ofirk> and then report back
[23:24] <ofirk> :)
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[23:24]  * apachelogger notes that even if other projects implement their own rtl magic for progress buttons it doesnt make it any more right :P
[23:25] <amichair> maybe something hiding here http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/RTL-bugs
[23:26] <apachelogger> nothing in sight
[23:51] <ofirk> maybe we need to use QApplication::reverseLayout() ?
[23:52]  * apachelogger is wondering if that is not used by default if the system is rtl
[23:53] <amichair> the display is reversed iirc, just the arrow buttons are wrong
[23:56] <apachelogger> in that case the buttons should either get their own class or, which is probably better ubiquity should derive from kassistantdialog or what it's called and use its next/previous capabilities
[23:56] <apachelogger> which probably brings the rtl support for free
[23:57] <amichair> shouldn't kicon be directionally aware?