[03:25] <storrgie> is keyserver.ubuntu.com down right now? I cant import a key
[03:25] <wgrant> storrgie: Looks up from here. Are you behind a firewall that blocks TCP port 11371?
[03:26] <storrgie> i shouldnt be
[03:26] <storrgie> does the new 10.04 have firewall enabled?
[03:26] <wgrant> No.
[03:27] <storrgie> lemme pastbin
[03:28] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/dTwv8KY6
[03:28] <storrgie> not sure what to do
[03:28] <wgrant> storrgie: What happens if you navigate to http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/ in a Web browser?
[03:29] <storrgie> on my laptop fine
[03:29] <storrgie> but my server
[03:29] <storrgie> I dont have anything
[03:29] <storrgie> guess i could install links
[03:29] <storrgie> dont want to though
[03:29] <wgrant> wget it?
[03:30] <storrgie> hrm no keys found
[03:30] <storrgie> lemme show you the PPA
[03:30] <storrgie> https://launchpad.net/~dnjl/+archive/virtualization
[03:30] <storrgie> apparently wont work?
[03:31] <wgrant> It has a key.
[03:32] <wgrant> It should work.
[03:32] <storrgie> hrm... my server... I cant do an update
[03:32] <wgrant> Hm?
[03:33] <storrgie> uh oh
[03:33] <storrgie> my network on the server is messed up....
[03:33] <storrgie> not sure how
[03:33] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:35] <thumper> storrgie: it isn't missing nameservers from /etc/resolv.conf is it?
[03:36] <thumper> storrgie: I had an issue with my server with that
[03:36] <storrgie> nope
[03:36] <storrgie> thats fine
[03:36] <storrgie> rebooting
[03:36] <storrgie> I was trying to do bridge stuff
[03:37] <wgrant> That often gets really messy.
[03:37] <wgrant> It's really easy to break subtly.
[03:39] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/EtjmqkAE
[03:57] <wgrant> poolie: Hm, the tag help text is dodgy, but it does show up for me in Chromium and Firefox.
[03:57] <poolie> hm
[03:57] <poolie> where?
[03:58] <wgrant> The usual help frame that shows up in the middle of the screen.
[03:58] <wgrant> The one that had a button with no text for several months.
[07:57] <jorge> hi! I've uploaded a package to a PPA and it's been there waiting to build for 38 hours, is that normal?
[07:59] <noodles775> jorge: Well, normal during release time (when many of the machines we are loaned for PPA builders are used to support the release).
[08:00] <spiv> https://launchpad.net/builders says the PPA queue for i386 is about 42 hours.
[08:00] <jorge> oh ok then, i thought something was wrong with my package
[08:00] <jorge> thank you
[08:01] <jorge> didn't know about that webpage, thank you too
[10:24] <MrKanister> Hi there. I've got a question regarding launchpadlib. I want to find out the version of a package in the latest Ubuntu release. How do I get there by using the launchpadlib starting from a source package or distribution object? From the API Doc this seems complicated.
[10:34] <MvG> Hi there! Updates to branches resp. merge requests seem to take exceptionally long today. Any known problems there?
[10:34] <MvG> https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr/bug527878-directoryCommonOption in particular has me worried just now.
[10:50] <MvG> Branch still not updated. Something is really broken here, I fear.
[10:53] <MvG> poolie: No reaction here to the lack of branch updates. Do you have any suggestions whom to contact next? Does writing a bug report or asking a question for this make any sense?
[10:55] <poolie> and they're still not updating?
[10:55] <poolie> ah, the topic does mention this
[10:55] <poolie> type /topic
[10:56] <poolie> jml, are you here yet?
[10:56] <poolie> ffs
[10:58] <MvG> poolie: Oh, thanks, somehow missed that. Sorry.
[10:58] <poolie> it's a bit lame that's not on the blog or the status page
[10:59] <poolie> which is supposed to be http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus
[11:00] <poolie> MvG: so the delay is between when you push to a branch over bazaar, and when it shows up in the web ui?
[11:00] <MvG> poolie: yes. Where web ui includes loggerhead.
[11:00] <MvG> And the delay may well be infinite for all I know.
[11:02] <poolie> hm
[11:02] <poolie> i thought loggerhead would be looking directly at the branches
[11:02] <poolie> so i'm surprised it can be slow
[11:03] <poolie> deryck: ^^
[11:03] <poolie> vila: ^^
[11:04] <poolie> lifeless: ^^
[11:04] <lifeless> loggerhead accesses branches over http
[11:04] <MvG> poolie: False alarm.
[11:04] <lifeless> I think that means it reads the mirrored side only (at least until the split is removed, thats landing soon)
[11:04] <MvG> poolie: For some reason a non-tip revision was encoded in the loggerhead url.
[11:05] <deryck> false alarm for loggerhead, but there is still general scanner delays?
[11:05] <MvG> yep
[11:05] <poolie> MvG: you forgot to push?
[11:05] <deryck> ok
[11:05] <poolie> :)
[11:05] <poolie> deryck: so istm that generally speaking, if somebody thinks there are delays enough to change the topic, they ought to update launchpadstatus
[11:05] <poolie> not everyone reads irc
[11:05] <MvG> https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr/bug527878-directoryCommonOption is at 5179 while http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr/bug527878-directoryCommonOption/changes/ shows it should be 5182
[11:06] <deryck> poolie, ah, yes, agreed.  I didn't see the topic here either.
[11:06] <deryck> poolie, and that is *supposed* to be our policy on this.
[11:07]  * deryck will dig up the launchpadstatus info and post
[11:07] <poolie> MvG: john landed some changes for caching
[11:08] <poolie> they may be getting too strongly cached somewhree
[11:08] <poolie> MvG: ok so the code.l.n page is lagging loggerhead
[11:08] <poolie> that is consistent with what i understand the problem to be
[11:09] <poolie> because of opening maverick, the scanner is overloaded
[11:10] <poolie> deryck: thanks, can you do any other chasing/escalation that seems necessary too
[11:10] <deryck> poolie, definitely.
[12:30] <fta2> hi, eny ETA for the PPA builders to come back to the rescue?
[13:12] <rodrigo_> hi
[13:13] <rodrigo_> can I ask bzr-related questions here?
[13:13] <rodrigo_> I couldn't find a bzr channel
[13:13] <maxb> It's #bzr
[13:13] <rodrigo_> oh, missed it then, thanks :)
[13:14] <maxb> Ideally, try to figure out whether your question is Launchpad-specific or not, and pick the appropriate channel
[13:14] <maxb> If uncertain, just pick your best guess, and ask
[13:15] <rodrigo_> it's bzr-related, I think
[13:16] <rodrigo_> although might be related to launchpad, since it's a problem with branches from vcs-import's
[13:19] <cos^> how long should package be waiting to be built normally?
[13:20] <maxb> Normally? not long. Unfortunately, this is right after an ubuntu release, so it's not 'normally'
[13:20] <maxb> Most of the PPA builders have been temporarily stolen to assist in release shenanigans
[13:22] <cos^> ok, that explains..
[13:29] <A4Tech> Hello
[13:29] <micahg> are the intrepid builders going offline at a certain point?
[13:30] <A4Tech> Launchpad for about an hour to process the request bazaar (commit) is well conceived?
[13:38] <A4Tech> :(
[13:38] <spiv> A4Tech: see /topic
[13:39] <A4Tech> spiv: sorry.
[13:39] <A4Tech> thx
[13:40] <A4Tech> Usually, changes and news writing at the end of topic and not at the beginning
[14:24] <Damascene> hi,
[14:24] <Damascene> I want to create team and upload .op files to it to start translating
[14:25] <Damascene> I've created a team. I want to know how to upload .po files
[15:21] <rodrigo_> hmm, is launchpad not updating diff's on proposed branches, or is it just my branch? (https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/couchdb-glib/optional-introspection/+merge/24593)
[15:23] <gary_poster> looking, rodrigo_
[15:24] <rodrigo_> thanks gary_poster
[15:26] <james_w> rodrigo_: probably the issue mentioned in /topic
[15:26] <rodrigo_> gary_poster, another one -> https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/couchdb-glib/optional-introspection/+merge/24593
[15:26] <rodrigo_> oh, didn't see it
[15:27] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:27] <rodrigo_> gary_poster, sorry, that was meant to be https://launchpad.net/~jdobrien/ubuntuone-servers/exchange-tm/+merge/24585
[15:27] <gary_poster> ah, I copied and pasted and didn't see it thanks
[15:27] <rodrigo_> but yeah, a newest branch has the diff ok, so I guess it's just waiting
[16:34] <rodrigo_> who can I ask for a migration of a couple of vcs imports from bzr 1.1 to 2a?
[16:34] <rodrigo_> it makes branches created from the vcs-import take ages to import, since the new branches I create are 2a
[16:38] <jelmer> rodrigo_: hi
[16:38] <rodrigo_> hi jelmer
[16:38] <jelmer> rodrigo_: please create a question in the launchpad-code project about the branches that need to be upgraded
[16:38] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:45] <rodrigo_> jelmer, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/109433
[16:45] <rodrigo_> jelmer, is that ok?
[16:48] <jelmer> rodrigo_: yep
[16:49] <jelmer> rodrigo_: I'd be curious to hear what about bzr-git doesn't work for you.
[16:50] <rodrigo_> jelmer, bzr dpush crashes bzr
[16:51] <rodrigo_> jelmer, following instructions on http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/foreign/bzr-on-git-projects.html is that right?
[16:52] <jelmer> rodrigo_: yeah, that should be right. Is there any chance I could get you to file a bug about this?
[16:53] <rodrigo_> jelmer, yes, of course, I'll file it when I merge the next branch
[16:54] <rodrigo_> which should be soon
[16:54] <FloSoft> one question: if I set a merge request to "approve" - is it automatically merged, or do I have to do that manually? i dont want to try out, i do not want to kill my repository sync ^^
[17:00] <vish> deryck: hi.. i found another person with the same prob ;) for Bug #571181
[17:01] <deryck> hi vish.  ok, I'll keep an eye on the bug.  Are you having rampant duplicate emails, or just on the bug that you cite?
[17:02] <vish> deryck: not rampant , but often and from other bugs too
[17:02] <vish> probably once or twice a day
[17:03] <deryck> vish, the only odd thing I noticed on the bug you mentioned in the bug report was that you were listed as both a direct and dupe subscriber and were part of a team that was subscribed...  my initial reaction was to wonder if something there was going wrong.
[17:04] <deryck> vish, however, since it happens with mailing lists too it seems general mail related
[17:05] <vish> yeah , there are other bugs too, but i dont think its due to dups, i'll find and attach other bugs too..
[17:06] <jhaig> Stupid question, but where do I go to raise a new bug?  I've done this before but I cannot see the link now.  I am logged in.
[17:16] <gary_poster> FloSoft: it is not automatically merged by LP.  Sometimes people set up external processes to do this (e.g. tarmac) but it's not generically something we offer.
[17:16] <gary_poster> jhaig: for what project?
[17:17] <jhaig> gary_poster: Well, I will dig around to make sure, but at the moment it seems to be Ubuntu, gnome (panel) or compiz (or a combination of all 3)
[17:18] <gary_poster> jhaig: ack.  "Report a Bug" on top right of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu might be a reasonable start.
[17:20] <jhaig> Thanks.
[17:24] <deryck> jhaig, gary_poster -- for Ubuntu packages, it's really preferred to use apport.  So run `ubuntu-bug $package` or use the report a problem link from help menu.
[17:25] <jhaig> deryck: Thanks.  I've just found a note referring to that on the launchpad page.
[17:25] <deryck> ok, cool.
[17:27] <jhaig> Hmmm, I've got to the 'Send Report' page before actually seeing a 'What exactly is the problem?' text box.  Surely shome mishtake.  :-/
[17:27] <jhaig> ... or the Ubuntu devs are all mind-readers.
[17:27] <FloSoft> gary_poster: okay good, then i can set it to approve even if i merge it manually then, okay :-)
[17:27] <Christoph^> Hello
[17:29] <Christoph^> If I have a project whose code is hosted on launchpad and two people are supposed to be able to commit code, do I have to make a team for those 2 people?
[17:30] <jhaig> deryck: So, if I click 'Send Report', will it just send it immediately, or will I be given the opportunity to actually describe the problem?  I've tried a few things and I am yet to be asked for a description.
[17:32] <deryck> jhaig, apport opens an lp bug page, where you can step through the bug filing process -- dupe search, then you can add further details if no matches.
[17:33] <jhaig> Thanks.  I just didn't want to send my logs with no explanation, as I am fairly sure that will not tell anyone much.
[17:34] <lucas> is soyuz free software? where can I find the code?
[17:39] <jelmer> lucas: soyuz is part of the launchpad source tree, which can be found in the Bazaar branch at lp:launchpad
[17:39] <jelmer> lucas: and yes, it's free software (AGPLv3+)
[17:41] <lucas> jelmer: thanks, I was puzzled by the fact that it is a separate LP project with no branches
[17:42] <jelmer> lucas: the launchpad codebase is divided into a couple of different applications (code, soyuz, registry, translations, bugs) that have different projects on Launchpad but they all live in the same branch (and work tightly together)
[17:44] <sinzui> lucas, launchpad engineers are hypocrites. They will not let users create projects without a code base, but they do it themselves
[17:45] <lucas> heh, I'm not going to comment on that one week from UDS. too dangerous. :)
[17:47] <sinzui> We talk about removing the false project. The arguments against a single project imply we did not make bugs and milestones to work with large projects and multiple teams
[18:06] <bjsnider> can the lucid ppa build system handle source tarballs that are bzipped with format quilt 3.0?
[18:14] <jelmer> bjsnider: Launchpad can handle the 3.0 quilt format
[18:33] <geser> is gina (the LP Debian mirror update script) having problems?
[18:42] <Tblue> Hi. I have a question regarding Rosetta: The wiki states that PO files should be named using the ISO language code without the country code in most cases. So, if I name my file de_DE.po instead of de.po, will LP reject it?
[18:47] <gary_poster> geser, I suspect that it is related to the delay described in the topic.  If that doesn't sound right to you, let me know and I'll double-check.
[18:48] <gary_poster> Ursinha: do you happen to know the answer to Tblue's question, above?
[18:48]  * Ursinha reads
[18:48] <Ursinha> gary_poster, hm, I don't know the answer to that
[18:49] <gary_poster> Ursinha: me either ;-)
[18:49] <Tblue> I tried to look into the code, but well... :-)
[18:49] <Tblue> No worries, thanks anyway.
[18:49] <gary_poster> sorry
[18:49] <Tblue> Perhaps I should ask in #launchpad-dev?
[18:50] <Ursinha> Tblue, the devels are in European tz so are gone already :(
[18:50] <Tblue> I see
[18:50] <Ursinha> Tblue, but you can ask a question using answers.launchpad.net/rosetta, and I'm sure they'll answer soon
[18:50] <Tblue> Okay.
[18:50] <Tblue> Thanks :)
[18:51] <Ursinha> Tblue, when soon is really soon :)
[18:51] <Tblue> Heh. Well, the worst thing that could happen is that I have to try whether it works or not. ;)
[18:52] <Tblue> But I will ask there, thanks again.
[18:54] <Ursinha> Tblue, no problem, sorry for that
[18:55] <geser> gary_poster: I doubt it, as it's about the source package itself (and not the debian packaging branch) and the package which shows the problem was uploaded to Debian unstable on 2010-04-14 and still isn't on the LP Debian mirror
[18:56] <gary_poster> geser, fair enough.  Let me ask.
[18:56] <Tblue> Okay, this FAQ entry seems to answer my question (just for reference): https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+faq/619
[18:57] <gary_poster> jelmer, do you happen to know about gina (see geser's question above)?
[19:17] <shilbert> Hi, anyone here in the know about the translations feature of launchpad ?
[19:22] <mtaylor> shilbert: sure. what do you want to know?
[19:34] <shilbert> I am with the GNUmed project
[19:34] <shilbert> we have set up a branch
[19:35] <shilbert> which is updated in launchpad
[19:35] <shilbert> what does not happen (so it seems) is that translations get merged with what is in launchpad
[19:36] <shilbert> is there any way to see what launchpad is doing while importing translations from the bzr branch
[19:38] <shilbert> it seems the translations are not updated in launchpad although the imported files have updates
[19:49] <gary_poster> geser: The admins know of no issues with the gina importer.  Would you be willing to ask the question here?  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion
[19:51] <gary_poster> shilbert: I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question, and the devs who would are not around right now (they work in Europe).  Would you be willing to ask your question here?  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion
[20:03] <james_w> are the puller and scanner still lagged?
[20:06] <gary_poster> james_w: I can ask the losas.  do you have reason to believe they are not?
[20:06] <james_w> gary_poster: just wondered if anyone knew
[20:06] <gary_poster> not me
[20:06] <james_w> given that I caused the problem I am keen for it to be over :-)
[20:07] <geser> gary_poster: done, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/109470
[20:08] <gary_poster> geser: great.  I suspect that the answer will come within 24 hours.  The pertinent devs are in a European tz.
[20:46] <qense> Maybe an interesting blog post for the people here: "“But why isn’t Debian using Launchpad?”" <http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=474>
[20:47] <lucas> well, I expect launchpad devs to at least skim through planet ubuntu ;)
[20:48] <qense> lucas: You'd never know. :)
[20:48]  * hyperair is an ubuntu developer who doesn't even look at planet.ubuntu.com
[20:48] <qense> hyperair: You bad citizen! :D
[20:48] <thekorn> lucas, nice blog post
[20:48]  * hyperair hides
[20:49] <lucas> thanks
[20:50] <hyperair> well that's interesting to know
[20:50] <hyperair> the "why" behind debian not using launchpad, i mean
[20:50] <hyperair> i still think that bugs.debian.org could do with a proper web UI
[20:51] <hyperair> it's annoying for debian to only have a web interface
[20:51] <hyperair> i mean an email interface
[20:51] <hyperair> reportbug was hell to learn how to use.
[20:51] <qense> The Debian BTS annoys me as well.
[20:52] <bulldog98> hello
[20:52] <bulldog98> I’ve got an problem
[20:53] <qense> bulldog98: Don't ask, but tell!
[20:53] <bulldog98> if I try to checkout an bzr branch on launchpad I get following error what’s wrong?
[20:53] <bulldog98> sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
[20:53] <bulldog98> bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[20:54] <qense> bulldog98: What's the command you execute to check-out the branch?
[20:54] <lucas> hyperair: are you aware that projects are actually adopting the BTS?
[20:54] <lucas> coreutils switched recently
[20:54] <bulldog98> qense: bzr checkout lp:ubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-docs
[20:55] <rooligan> Hello, does anybody now, if I can sort the packages of Ubuntu on the translations-page? So that I only see the not completly translated packages?
[20:56] <qense> lucas: But coreutils isn't exactly a classic example of a project that deals with many 'regular' users
[20:56] <qense> rooligan: yes you can
[20:56] <qense> bulldog98: What happens if you try bzr branch lp:ubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-docs ?
[20:56] <lucas> I think emacs is using the BTS too
[20:56] <bulldog98> sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
[20:56] <bulldog98> bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[20:56] <lucas> clearly the BTS is not for fans of web 2.0
[20:57] <lucas> but I very much prefer to deal with the BTS than with slow launchpad
[20:57] <qense> bulldog98: Then the branch doesn't exist, iirc
[20:58] <qense> lucas: It is slow indeed, but I think I'd be quicker with Launchpad than with BTS anyway.
[20:58] <qense> bulldog98: What if you leave the lucid part out?
[20:58] <bulldog98> qense: I know it exists because I browsed it in launchpad
[20:58] <bulldog98> qense: same error
[20:59] <qense> bulldog98: Have you manually adapted your Bazaar settings? You could ahve changed the path.
[20:59] <rooligan> qense: And how do I do that?
[21:00] <qense> rooligan: can't you click the headers or signs next to them?
[21:00] <dpm> rooligan, qense, unfortunately, you can't, all translations on the overview are always shown
[21:00] <rooligan> qense: There are no.
[21:01] <rooligan> dpm: Okay, thanks.
[21:01] <qense> then I was thinking of a different view, sorry
[21:21] <bulldog98> quentusrex: change the path?
[21:25] <quentusrex> bulldog98, huh?
[21:26] <quentusrex> ooh, yeah.
[21:26] <quentusrex> for moving files from where they are installed now in the package(into /opt) to where they should be located
[21:27] <bulldog98> sorry qense got out and my client completed to your name
[21:27] <quentusrex> it's all good :)
[22:03] <bulldog98> ok works now with clone I get what I want
[22:37] <jelmer> gary_poster: no idea, I'll see if I can locate the logs
[22:38] <gary_poster> jelmer, thank you!  Don't know if you noticed, but https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/109470 was where he put his question more formally, I believe