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| asac | ogra_cmpc: nice | 10:26 |
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| asac | (27M for X) | 10:26 |
| ogra | asac, do you mean RAM ? | 10:43 |
| asac | yes | 10:46 |
| asac | ogra: thats what you said, right? | 10:46 |
| ogra | thats the whole system | 10:47 |
| asac | ogra: what plymouth theme to use for a console only image? | 10:47 |
| asac | or can i get rid of that completely? | 10:47 |
| asac | when i remove the initramfs-tools scripts all is fine ... if not i stay on a console 7 with a SEGV of plymouth and have to manually go back to the console 1 etc. | 10:47 |
| ogra | mountall needs plymouth | 10:47 |
| asac | i know | 10:47 |
| asac | but not the initramfs hooks ;) | 10:47 |
| asac | (it seems) | 10:48 |
| ogra | there was a command to select the theme | 10:48 |
| * ogra forgot which | 10:48 | |
| asac | ogra: but which theme to use? | 10:48 |
| ogra | text | 10:48 |
| asac | plymouth-theme-text -> SEGV | 10:48 |
| asac | ubuntu-text works i think | 10:48 |
| ogra | plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text | 10:49 |
| ogra | is that installed ? | 10:49 |
| ogra | /lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-text/ubuntu-text.plymouth | 10:49 |
| asac | i will try that again now ... but plymouth-theme-text crashes for sure | 10:50 |
| ogra | its what i get on my server installs | 10:50 |
| asac | ogra: i made an autologin by hacking tty1.conf ... is that the "normal" way? ;) | 10:50 |
| ogra | for a text console ? | 10:51 |
| asac | yes | 10:51 |
| ogra | its usrely not "normal" but likely a good way to do it :) | 10:51 |
| asac | i made a /usr/bin/autologin script that just run login -f root | 10:51 |
| ogra | *surely | 10:51 |
| asac | and it works. | 10:51 |
| asac | just wastn sure if thats good | 10:51 |
| ogra | we had something for that in the ume images | 10:51 |
| asac | bceause tty1.conf you cannot really change from outside .... dpkg-divert on a conffile feels painful | 10:52 |
| ogra | which was a bit cleaner | 10:52 |
| asac | ogra: whats the clean way? | 10:52 |
| ogra | an upstart job | 10:52 |
| asac | assume there is no user installed ;) | 10:52 |
| ogra | i need to dig up the old code | 10:52 |
| asac | hmm | 10:52 |
| ogra | well, why isnt there any user ? | 10:52 |
| asac | tty1.conf is an upstream job | 10:52 |
| ogra | create one during build | 10:52 |
| ogra | you can create a fresh upstart job | 10:52 |
| ogra | no need to mangle an existing one | 10:53 |
| asac | hmm. but tty1 is taken ... or can i just take any tty? | 10:53 |
| asac | how can i ensure that that tty is the default after boot? | 10:53 |
| ogra | no idea :) ask a plymouth dev :) | 10:53 |
| asac | heh | 10:53 |
| ogra | you should be able to use console= on the cmdline but that will kill plymouth | 10:54 |
| asac | yeah | 10:54 |
| asac | let me first try if plymouth is happier with tubuntu-theme text installed | 10:54 |
| asac | in the meantime i have to cleanup this disk ... not enough space to copy a live netbook image to it | 10:55 |
| ogra | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-mid-default-settings/files | 10:55 |
| ogra | that should have the old upstart files | 10:55 |
| asac | ok thanks. will check that out | 10:56 |
| asac | (if my browser ever opens) ;) | 10:56 |
| siji | x | 10:56 |
| asac | that stars the gui ;) | 10:57 |
| ogra | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-mid-default-settings/annotate/head:/session | 10:57 |
| asac | starts | 10:57 |
| ogra | modify that | 10:57 |
| ogra | and use it as upstart job | 10:57 |
| ogra | yes, it starts the gui | 10:57 |
| ogra | so you have to modify ;) | 10:57 |
| asac | right. so you dont hvae to bother about switching to a "new" tty | 10:58 |
| ogra | righ, but *you* can use openvt and switch to tty9 or so ;) | 10:58 |
| ogra | iirc openvt just takes the next free tty | 10:58 |
| asac | hmm. there is a chvt command | 10:59 |
| ogra | chvt needs a number | 10:59 |
| asac | ogra: putting that switching feels like a racy thing. | 10:59 |
| ogra | openvt checks for the next free one or so | 10:59 |
| asac | yeah | 11:00 |
| asac | is that a replace for getty? | 11:00 |
| ogra | i think not | 11:00 |
| ogra | you still need to run login or something | 11:00 |
| ogra | try it :) | 11:00 |
| ogra | i havent touched that stuff since 1.5y | 11:01 |
| asac | yeah | 11:01 |
| asac | will try ;) | 11:01 |
| asac | my tries "on started tty1 -> chvt 1" ;) | 11:04 |
| ogra | that wont work | 11:05 |
| ogra | since you already have a getty running there | 11:05 |
| asac | hmm. but its chvt | 11:05 |
| ogra | you will end up with two processes controlling the tty | 11:05 |
| asac | hmm | 11:05 |
| ogra | which will get you funny output if you type anything :) | 11:05 |
| asac | its just chvt | 11:06 |
| asac | it manpage it says its similar to using f1 etc. | 11:06 |
| ogra | sometimes one sometimes the other process will reply to enter | 11:06 |
| ogra | oh, indeed, if you dont run login it will just change the vt | 11:06 |
| asac | hmm. but chvt isnt really controlling anything | 11:06 |
| ogra | i thougth you wanted autologin too | 11:06 |
| asac | yes, thats the idea | 11:06 |
| asac | ogra: oh right ;) | 11:07 |
| asac | yeah | 11:07 |
| asac | i still have the hacked tty1.conf so it auto logs in | 11:07 |
| ogra | so you need a fresh tty | 11:07 |
| ogra | use openvt | 11:07 |
| ogra | if thats for a higly embedded system you should cut down the amount of ttys anyway though | 11:07 |
| ogra | i think each running getty will eat up to 800k | 11:08 |
| asac | ogra: how can i get the ttys down ... they are all shipped by upstart :( | 11:08 |
| asac | at least without forking | 11:09 |
| * ogra would recommend an upstart-embedded package that has all that stuff adjusted | 11:09 | |
| ogra | build from the same source but ship other configs and conflict with upstart | 11:09 |
| ogra | or some such | 11:09 |
| ogra | seems cleaner than diverting config files | 11:10 |
| asac | yeah | 11:11 |
| ogra | either that or use openvt :) | 11:11 |
| asac | ok kbd isnt installed in an essential only system | 11:11 |
| * asac adds that | 11:11 | |
| ogra | yeah | 11:12 |
| ogra | gpgv also | 11:12 |
| asac | ogra: i have added gnupg | 11:12 |
| asac | whta do you need gpgv for? | 11:12 |
| ogra | well, gpgv is enough | 11:12 |
| ogra | apt needs it for the Release.gpg | 11:13 |
| asac | right. i need gnupg for apt-key | 11:13 |
| asac | to make the ppa fly | 11:13 |
| ogra | ah | 11:13 |
| ogra | yeah, that should bring in gpgv anyway | 11:13 |
| asac | good ;) | 11:13 |
| ogra | you also want to add something to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that makes not installing recommends the default | 11:14 |
| asac | ogra: so where is the omap uboot? | 11:14 |
| asac | didnt we package that? | 11:14 |
| ogra | yes | 11:14 |
| ogra | it uses the upstream naming | 11:14 |
| asac | ogra: i am not installing recomments | 11:14 |
| asac | nds | 11:14 |
| ogra | look for u-boot | 11:14 |
| asac | ah | 11:14 |
| ogra | i have to switch the other u-boot packages too or revert that in maverick | 11:15 |
| ogra | not sure yet | 11:15 |
| asac | there it is ;) | 11:15 |
| asac | ogra: so what do we chip for omap in lucid? | 11:15 |
| asac | do we put uboot on it at all? or assume its all setup on beagel? | 11:15 |
| ogra | in lucid we assume its in NAND | 11:17 |
| ogra | for maverick i have to come up with something clever | 11:17 |
| ogra | since some of the future HW wont have NAND | 11:18 |
| ogra | for beagle we dont need to care though ... there is NAND for all released versions | 11:18 |
| asac | ogra: where does the uboot we assume is there look for boot.scr? | 11:20 |
| asac | on fat in / ? | 11:20 |
| ogra | iirc on fat on mmc0 0:0 | 11:20 |
| asac | kk | 11:23 |
| ogra | asac, ./include/configs/omap3_beagle.h in the u-boot-omap3 source | 11:27 |
| ogra | specifically CONFIG_EXTRA_ENV_SETTINGS and CONFIG_BOOTCOMMAND | 11:28 |
| asac | hmm. guess that uboot cant do ext2load? | 11:30 |
| asac | seems it can :/ | 11:30 |
| ogra | not on omap | 11:30 |
| ogra | fails miserably | 11:31 |
| asac | too bac | 11:31 |
| asac | d | 11:31 |
| ogra | yes | 11:31 |
| ogra | especially soice you cant put /boot on fat | 11:31 |
| ogra | *since | 11:31 |
| asac | cant? | 11:31 |
| ogra | nope | 11:31 |
| asac | whats that? | 11:31 |
| ogra | dpkg uses hardlinks when it unpacks files | 11:31 |
| asac | hmm. but we use fat on all images for /boot, dont we? | 11:32 |
| ogra | so it creates a vmlinuz-$(uname -r).bak when it tries to put the new file in place ... that file is a hardlink | 11:32 |
| ogra | no | 11:32 |
| ogra | one thing i was trying is to have a separate fat patrition that flash-kernel writes uImage, uInitrd and boot.scr to but for lucid lool convinced me to rather use NAND | 11:34 |
| ogra | in maveric where we cant use NAND for everything i think i'll have to revisit that setup | 11:34 |
| ogra | +k | 11:34 |
| asac | ogra: how does the sdcard boot then? not oob? | 11:35 |
| ogra | the images are on vfat so there u-boot can read boot.scr | 11:35 |
| ogra | during install i write the boot options, kernel and initrd to NAND | 11:36 |
| ogra | so then it doesnt matter | 11:36 |
| ogra | it only matters on systems that have no NAND but we dotn support any with the lucid install | 11:36 |
| asac | hmm | 11:36 |
| ogra | maverick *will* support these though | 11:36 |
| ogra | which means we'll need a separate fat somewhere | 11:37 |
| asac | we need it for this directly booting rootfs setup too | 11:37 |
| ogra | right, that needs tweaks in flash-kernel | 11:37 |
| ogra | so once linux-image is installed it needs to temporary mount the fat and write uImage and uInitrd to it | 11:38 |
| ogra | (or after update.initramfs) | 11:38 |
| asac | ok at least plymouth ubuntu theme text doesnt play games on me anymore ;) | 11:38 |
| ogra | heh | 11:38 |
| asac | now back to openvt ;) | 11:39 |
| asac | ogra: does uImage in nand win over uImage on fat mmc0? | 11:42 |
| ogra | see the config i pointed to above :) | 11:42 |
| asac | e.g. could we live with shipping "not changing" uImages on some fat partition? and flash-kernel updates the nand | 11:42 |
| ogra | it only cares for boot.scr | 11:43 |
| ogra | err, no | 11:43 |
| ogra | actually it doesnt | 11:43 |
| ogra | http://paste.ubuntu.com/426935/ | 11:43 |
| ogra | asac, how would you update a nonexisting NAND ? :) | 11:44 |
| ogra | i will use NAND on all boards where we know we have it in flash-kernel | 11:44 |
| asac | well. i am currently targetting beagle. .. but without installer | 11:45 |
| ogra | flash-kernel needs to detect the hardware anyway and needs special casing for each board | 11:45 |
| ogra | without installer, hmm | 11:45 |
| ogra | then you need MLO and u-boot.bin as well as boot.scr | 11:45 |
| ogra | and a fat partition | 11:46 |
| ogra | loadbootscript=fatload mmc 0 ${loadaddr} boot.scr | 11:46 |
| ogra | so you also need the first partition being the fat | 11:46 |
| ogra | though note that if you use flash-kernel from lucid it will automatically write to NAND atm | 11:49 |
| ogra | and assumes your system is properly set up for uboot-envtools | 11:49 |
| ogra | (which is done by flash-kernel-installer) | 11:50 |
| ogra | http://paste.ubuntu.com/426937/ | 11:51 |
| asac | ogra: yes, but for that to work we would need to prefer nand over fat as fat will become outdated ... which creates a chicken egg problem etc. | 11:51 |
| ogra | (thats what flash-kernel-installer does at the end of d-i/ubiquity | 11:51 |
| asac | so plymouth is still broken even with ubuntu theme ... was tricked because i still had my hand hacked image loop mounted and umounting it seems to have wiped the new img | 11:51 |
| ogra | (not that it wipes the u-boot defaults so it wont look for boot.scr anymore) | 11:52 |
| asac | ah | 11:52 |
| asac | so it wiped the defaults | 11:53 |
| asac | good | 11:53 |
| ogra | only if you used the ubuntu install | 11:53 |
| asac | that would work. e.g. put just the uboot bits on a first fat partition | 11:53 |
| asac | once flash-kernel runs all will be nand | 11:53 |
| ogra | right | 11:53 |
| ogra | but you somehow need to run that flash-kernel-installer.postinst bit | 11:53 |
| ogra | which is tricky without any kind of installer | 11:54 |
| ogra | flash-kernel-installer is a udeb and not installed anywhere but in d-i/ubiquity | 11:55 |
| asac | ogra: why isnt cmdline="root=UUID=$uuid ro quiet splash vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 fixrtc" | 11:58 |
| asac | etc .that run in normal flash-kernel? | 11:58 |
| asac | e.g. the stuff from http://paste.ubuntu.com/426937/ | 11:58 |
| ogra | flash-kernel (like update-grub) doesnt touch the cmdline | 11:59 |
| ogra | creating the cmdline is job of the installer | 11:59 |
| ogra | after install that shouldnt be changed by any bootloader tool | 11:59 |
| ogra | unless yuo change it manually (by editing /etc/default/grub or in case of beagle using fw_setenv) | 12:00 |
| ogra | flash-kernel only flashes the kernel (and initramfs) | 12:01 |
| ogra | flash-kernel-installer sets up the environment for flash-kernel during installation | 12:01 |
| ogra | http://paste.ubuntu.com/426943/ <- flash-kernel ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/426937/ <- flash-kernel-installer | 12:03 |
| * ogra takes a break | 12:04 | |
| asac | ogra: so openvt didnt work ... chvt worked fine ;) | 12:05 |
| asac | probably just working around the fact that plymouth still fails miserably | 12:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | how did you call openvt ? | 12:10 |
| asac | sure | 12:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | sure ? | 12:10 |
| asac | yes. it opened a new terminal on all other terminals | 12:11 |
| asac | so i got funny stuff like login -> hit return -> root shell -> hit return -> login prompt | 12:11 |
| asac | etc. | 12:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | what was yous commend ? | 12:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | *your | 12:12 |
| * asac tries again | 12:12 | |
| asac | exec /bin/openvt /bin/autologinroot | 12:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | you need at least -s | 12:12 |
| * asac checks manpage | 12:13 | |
| ogra_cmpc | probably even -e | 12:13 |
| ogra_cmpc | /bin/openvt -e -s -- /bin/autologinroot | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | or | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | /bin/openvt -e -s -- su -l root -c /bin/bash | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | just copy the original tty1.conf for that and replace the exec | 12:15 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, after exec, exec needs to persist | 12:16 |
| asac | ok that worked ;) | 12:18 |
| ogra_cmpc | :) | 12:18 |
| asac | a bit dumb that its now on tty8 | 12:19 |
| asac | but well. so be it | 12:19 |
| asac | plymouth is still unhappy, but thats normal it seems | 12:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | for flash-kernel-installer you could do some ugly first login magic in /etc/bash.bashrc | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | look for "if [ ! -e "$HOME/.sudo_as_admin_successful" ]; then" in there | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | though thats not very sexy | 12:22 |
| asac | great. yeah | 12:22 |
| asac | grr. something is editing 10-help-text :( | 12:23 |
| asac | in update-motd.d | 12:23 |
| asac | i get a conflict when i change that ... dont get that for other conffiles i change in the same way | 12:23 |
| ogra_cmpc | 10-help-text ?? where does that belong to ? | 12:24 |
| asac | base-files of course | 12:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | or where doe it live | 12:24 |
| asac | like verything related to branding is stuffed into the corest of core things ;) | 12:24 |
| asac | /etc/update-motd.d | 12:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm | 12:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | ah | 12:24 |
| asac | and seems something is messing with that during a bootstrap | 12:25 |
| asac | e.g. changing it post install | 12:25 |
| ogra_cmpc | update-motd likely | 12:25 |
| asac | what does update-motd do with it? | 12:25 |
| asac | it shoud just source it | 12:25 |
| asac | guess i will sed it in postinst ... seems its modified anyway, so nothing to loose | 12:26 |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm, indeed | 12:26 |
| asac | the conffile mechanism is really a mess in ubuntu/debian ... folks seem to not get it. you need a) package defaults + b) admin defaults (thats conffiles) and user changes in $HOME ... a) and b) are far too often not separated, but just shipped in etc | 12:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, ucf will only kick in if there is a three way diff | 12:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | i.e. if two defaults changed at the same time | 12:30 |
| asac | what is ucf? | 12:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | update config file | 12:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | the tool that prompts during debconf | 12:32 |
| asac | ah | 12:32 |
| asac | yeah. well. the fact that there were changes int he first place scares me | 12:33 |
| asac | i hope its some hack cody added to the live-helper i didnt find yet | 12:33 |
| asac | ok /me spins new image and hopes for the best | 12:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | live-helper surely shouldnt touch it | 12:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | else thats a bug | 12:41 |
| Amit_Karpe | ogra, Do we have support for ethernet gadget in latest 2.6.32.11-l13 ?? | 15:19 |
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