[00:16] <van> Anyone has any suggestion about the (need for) use of antivirus software??
[00:35] <maddeth> van, I dont know how long ago you asked (should turn on timestamps) but I have never used an antivirus under linux
[00:37] <van> maddeth so i suppose this means i don't need one, right? (how do i turn to timestamps?)
[00:38] <geirha> van: Have you read this? http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[00:40] <van> geirha thanks, i will read this - it seems just like what i've been looking for
[00:41] <zeroseven0183> van: In Karmic, I was using a virus scanner (I'm also thinking of installing it again) not to protect my Linux machine but to protect my friends' Windows machine that the USB/HD drive will be plugged to.
[00:41] <zeroseven0183> van: Sort of an effort to help them
[00:41] <van> I see, zeroseven0183. Thanks!
[00:43] <maddeth> really, you could say you dont need a virus scanner in Windows ;) just need to be careful and keep an eye on what you are downloading and running
[00:43] <geirha> van: And this page has a list of all known linux viruses https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus
[00:44] <van> Ta geirha, that's brilliant! :)
[00:48] <maddeth> van, depends what client you are using for IRC
[00:48] <maddeth> and i meant I should turn on my time stamps :p
[00:49] <van> ooh :) cool...i've been saying silly things all day today :S
[00:49] <maddeth> I live like that :)
[00:49] <van> LOL, hope it's not because of linux
[00:52] <maddeth> :p
[00:53] <maddeth> tempted to ask some questions ccompletely unrelated to ubuntu in the ubuntu channel
[00:53] <maddeth> like "my apt-get doesn't work" on a Gentoo build :p
[00:55] <maddeth> .... need to find somthing to do :p
[01:19] <Drecondius> Can anyone point me to an up to date how to for compiling source code
[01:22] <javatexan> anyone know of a app that creates the new background slideshow xml files?
[01:22] <starcraftman> Drecondius: just general app compiling or kernel?
[01:23] <Drecondius> general app compiling
[01:23] <Drecondius> im not trying to compile a new kernel lol
[01:23] <Drecondius> I found one and forgot to bookmark it :(
[01:23] <starcraftman> Drecondius: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo < That should do ya.
[01:24] <starcraftman> javatexan: I don't quite follow.
[01:24] <Drecondius> I am trying to compile the newest version of Compiz
[01:25] <Drecondius> 1. Because i have sucessfully compiled a couple different versions of mame and other emulators, 2. Because I want to learn more on how to do it
[01:26] <starcraftman> Drecondius: alright, awesome. :) Nothing wrong with learning.
[01:28] <javatexan> starcraftman: if you right-click the desktop and go to Appearance prefs, under the Background....there is a slideshow for the "cosmos", i think is what they called it.  If you go to /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos there is an XML file that defines the slideshow.  I am wondering if there is a gnome or ubuntu app, other than gedit, that can create new slideshows?
[01:31] <starcraftman> javatexan: I see what your talking about. I don't know of an xml generating tool, I'd honestly just write this file up. It's a 3 minute thing. xml is an easy language.
[01:42] <javatexan> starcraftman: true, but you don't know how many times I have done stuff like that only to find out there was already a tool...LOL!!!!
[01:45] <starcraftman> javatexan: well I mean if your just doing the one xml file just gedit will do, your only doing like 10 pics no? Sure there are tools, hardly needed here. There are plugins for eclipse and neteans for instance, I don't work all the time with xml. If I had to, I'd write my own perl parser to transform a text file to strict xml.
[01:46] <javatexan> I hear ya!
[01:52] <maddeth> !python
[01:53] <javatexan> !python
[01:53] <starcraftman> cpp!
[01:53] <javatexan> !java
[01:53] <javatexan> !c#
[01:54] <maddeth> :p
[01:54] <javatexan> lol
[01:55] <geirha> !lolcode
[01:55] <javatexan> i cant do anything with python yet
[01:55] <maddeth> python is easy
[01:56] <javatexan> for gnome?
[01:56] <maddeth> if you have any sort of basic programming knowledge
[01:56] <maddeth> for, whatever you need to use it for
[01:56] <javatexan> lord, i hope so after all these years
[01:56] <javatexan> LOL
[01:56] <maddeth> I like python :)
[01:56] <starcraftman> javatexan: seen byte of python or dive into python, decent free books for learning.
[01:56] <maddeth> Wrote a mail client in ti once
[01:56] <maddeth> it*
[01:57] <javatexan> k...wow, thanks
[02:00] <javatexan> in case you are wondering... delay of 5 is too short...LOL!
[04:16] <javatexan> is security.ubuntu.com down?
[04:20] <zeroseven0183> No. I can access it now
[04:20] <zeroseven0183> What made you ask?
[04:21] <javatexan> Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname
[04:21] <javatexan> i getting a few of those tonight
[04:23] <javatexan> now they all back
[11:34] <van> Does anyone know how to add a ppa?
[11:42] <zeroseven0183> Sur
[11:42] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[11:42] <zeroseven0183> "sudo add-apt-repository <name of ppa>
[11:43] <van> Thanks Zeroseven0183....again:D
[11:43] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[11:43] <zeroseven0183> It's also in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[11:44] <zeroseven0183> You can find a comprehensive and detailed documentation about that
[11:44] <van> OK thanks. I also have a silly one. How can i schedule shut down? GShutdonw doesn't seem to be working
[11:45] <zeroseven0183> I'm also looking for an application to do that last night
[11:45] <van> ok :D
[11:46] <zeroseven0183> When I set GShutdown to Turn Off this computer, it only logs off
[11:46] <van> yeap exactly the same :S
[11:46] <zeroseven0183> I also tried Scheduled Task but it is not adding the task I created.
[11:47] <zeroseven0183> I think one way of automatically shutting it down is you execute a command in the Terminal
[11:48] <van> yes i know about that, i think it's shutdown -h or something like this, but it's not the same.
[11:48] <zeroseven0183> I thought about this because I was playing music in Rhythmbox
[11:48] <zeroseven0183> and was getting ready to sleep last night
[11:49] <van> :)
[11:49] <zeroseven0183> I'll let you know when I find a program to do that
[11:50] <van> Thanks zeroseven0183
[12:33] <shahan> phillw: hi
[12:33] <shahan> phillw: r u here?
[12:34] <shahan> I am back
[12:34] <phillw> shahan: hi, yes i am in lurking mode
[12:35] <shahan> phillw: lurking mode?
[12:35] <shahan> phillw: what kind of mode is it?
[12:35] <phillw> means i am near my computer, but doing other things as well :-)
[12:35] <shahan> phillw: ooh
[12:36] <shahan> phillw: so.. you suggested me to do a LAMP installation going to terminal by writing "sudo taskshell"
[12:36] <shahan> phillw: but its not working in Lucid
[12:37] <phillw> sudo task-sel, there is a quick intro to it on my baby forum --> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4#p6
[12:38] <phillw> it's very straight forward to install.
[12:38] <shahan> phillw: but after installing why I need to make a permission for each folder in www folder?
[12:40] <phillw> you don't. the www is the permissions for the apache interpreter to be able serve up the html/php files.
[12:43] <phillw> shahan: are you wanting to learn html ?
[12:43] <shahan> phillw: wanting to learn PHP
[12:44] <shahan> phillw: do u have suggestion for HTML and PHP for me?
[12:44] <shahan> phillw: not at all
[12:44] <shahan> phillw: why?
[12:45] <phillw> i can dig out the links i use, as I'm still learning :-)
[12:47] <ravibn> Hi! I need help with my Gizmo5 VOIP sw I just minimized it and it vanished how can I get it back ?
[12:47] <ravibn> I am running karmic 9.10
[12:48] <phillw> shahan: http://www.w3schools.com/php/default.asp
[12:48] <shahan> phillw: tnx
[12:49] <shahan> phillw: I know about w3schools... I learnt HTML from there
[12:49] <shahan> phillw:  now I am looking for a software like Dreamweaver in Lucid
[12:50] <phillw> what does dreamweaver do, is that software that gives you a template?
[12:50] <shahan> phillw: dont you know about it?
[12:51] <phillw> no, i 'code' be hand using Bluefish.
[12:51] <shahan> phillw: coding is so late task
[12:51] <shahan> phillw: but by Dreamweaver you can create a webpage file very easily and quickly
[12:52] <shahan> phillw:  is it possible to pragramm in .NET in ubuntu?
[12:52] <shahan> phillw: check the link for more details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver
[12:55] <phillw> shahan: BlueFish does syntax highlighting, I don't know much about .NET, but I think it is Microsoft only for Windows operating systems.
[12:55] <shahan> phillw: yes microsoft
[12:56] <shahan> phillw: is it possible to create Table visually in BlueFish?
[12:56] <shahan> phillw: maintaining Pixel of the files.. Table Pixel?
[12:57] <shahan> phillw: which compile is famous in ubuntu for JAVA, C++ etc.?
[12:57] <shahan> phillw: compiler
[12:58] <phillw> no, it is purely a coding programme. I have heard of a kde progamme that may be of help, i'll have a dig around for you.
[12:58] <ravibn> phillw : I would suggest to get eclipse tool and then get a appropriate plugin for weaving the web content
[12:59] <phillw> I've seen kompozer recommended http://www.kompozer.net/, but have not  used it.
[13:00] <phillw> shahan: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-c-and-c-compilers-in-ubuntu-and-testing-your-first-c-and-c-program.html
[13:00] <shahan> phillw: tnx
[13:00] <ravibn> phillw : you could use aptana plug for doing html css javascript etc....
[13:00] <shahan> phillw: what do u do in computer mainly?
[13:01] <shahan> ravibn: why? aptana is used for?
[13:02] <ravibn> shahan : goto this url http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/Web_Links-index-req-viewlink-cid-1093.html and check out yourself under web
[13:02] <phillw> shahan:  a database driven 'live' web page. It is a live site for a company, but can be switched into tutorial mode for those learning about doing searches with MySQL
[13:02] <shahan> ravibn: tnx
[13:02] <ravibn> shahn : you are welcome
[13:03] <phillw> thanks ravibn, I'm a coder, so don't know about the WYSIWYG editors.
[13:03] <ravibn> coming back to my problem that I have --- I need help with my Gizmo5 VOIP sw I just minimized it and it vanished how can I get it back ?
[13:04] <ravibn> phillw : there are plenty of plugins for eclipse you have to decide which one before you use it
[13:04] <ravibn> phillw : just google for "Eclipse plugins " and see which ones are free and then use it
[13:05] <ravibn> phillw : Eclipse is the basic editor framework and you can just keep plug in in all those you need
[13:07] <phillw> thanks, ravibn. I don't use voip at the moment, i had skype running okay with 10.04.
[13:08] <ravibn> let me reframe the Q . The Gizmo process is still running when I try to list all the process it is still running
[13:08] <ravibn> but I cannot use it
[13:09] <ravibn> like in windows if you minimize it goes to the system tray and you can click on it to use it again
[13:09] <ravibn> in ubuntu I am unable to see that system tray
[13:09] <shahan> in Lucid not getting the location is text format
[13:10] <shahan> ravibn: no...
[13:10] <phillw> ravibn: is the programme in your applications as a programme, you may have started the daemon off, but closed the graphical part of it (that's just a guess).
[13:11] <shahan> ravibn: we got it when we open the Place/Computer
[13:11] <shahan> ravibn: like in previous we got... /shahan/kamal/lucid/linux/.....etc.
[13:11] <shahan> ravibn: we got it when we open the Place>Computer
[13:12] <shahan> ravibn: the address of the location
[13:12] <ravibn> phillw :  are you trying to point me to that application ?
[13:13] <ravibn> I have the applications menu item listed under internat application ----> internet
[13:13] <shahan> ravibn: not right that
[13:14] <ravibn> I can load that application once again but the previous instance which was opened is still running
[13:14] <shahan> ravibn: I am looking for the address bar(text based) of Place> computer
[13:14] <ravibn> shahn : I gott what you are saying
[13:15] <ravibn> that will list all the disks on my computer
[13:16] <ravibn> all I wanna know is about that system tray on my address bar ? how can I get it back right now it is invisible
[13:23] <shahan> installing Gimp form software center
[13:27] <shahan> download finished
[13:34] <phillw> gimp takes a bit of getting used to, it's quite powerful
[13:35] <phillw> shahan: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/
[14:53] <Maddeth> Good morning
[14:53] <Maddeth> afternoon
[14:53] <Maddeth> :s
[15:00] <mohi1> hey Maddeth1 evening =]
[18:02] <krhahn> Hello: I have been having trouble with the mouse scroll pad on my laptop since upgrading to 10.04.  Can someone help me?
[18:03] <krhahn> THat's verticle scroll
[18:03] <starcraftman> krhahn: doesn't just work out of box? This an old labtop? It usually works fine now without any manual fixes required.
[18:04] <krhahn> no to all of the above...  the laptop is an acer aspire 64 bit.  It worked fine before the upgrade.
[18:08] <starcraftman> krhahn: you know about pastebin? I wanna see what hardware this is and I'll look it up.
[18:08] <krhahn> yes
[18:08] <starcraftman> K, in a terminal please: sudo lshw > hard.txt
[18:08] <starcraftman> Then open and paste the contents of hard.txt
[18:10] <krhahn> nothing comes up
[18:11] <krhahn> i can paste just lshw if that helps
[18:13] <krhahn> Here are the results of sudo lshw http://paste.ubuntu.com/427127/p://past!
[18:15] <starcraftman> krhahn: no no, it doesn't come up sorry I didn't explain the > redirects the output to a text file named hard.txt in current directory.  That paste works too.
[18:17] <krhahn> we good?
[18:19] <starcraftman> krhahn: aye, that's fine. Question, you just upgraded so don't have a live CD of 10.04 to test right? I'm thinking during upgrade some service tied to mouse didn't upgrade correctly. I'm also looking see if this model has lots of problems.
[18:19] <krhahn> Correct, no live cd.
[18:23] <starcraftman> krhahn: you don't seem to be alone. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554050
[18:23] <starcraftman> I'm reading up. This might just be a bug that needs patching.
[18:24] <starcraftman> (even though that's kde and on sony, an aspire of same model as you responded having exact same issue)
[18:26] <krhahn> hmm...  what do i do to fix it?
[18:26] <starcraftman> krhahn: atm I'm not sure, from what I'm reading it appears to be a kernel driver issue. You may have to wait for upstream patches, i.e. it won't be fixed till they patch.
[18:27] <starcraftman> know that's not what ya wanted to hear :/
[18:27] <krhahn> Okay...  It's not a huge deal just a bit of a nuisance
[18:27] <krhahn> Do these kinds of things usualy take a couple of weeks to wash out?
[18:28] <starcraftman> krhahn: aye, this will probably get patched ina week, there's no shortage of people who use notebooks and want scrolling.
[18:29] <krhahn> And will the patch just be automatic?  Ie; I will wake up one day and have scrolling?:-D
[18:29] <starcraftman> krhahn: if you want to be sure it's not an upgrade problem, you can boot a live CD to rule out local problems. This involves you downloading an iso though.
[18:29] <starcraftman> krhahn: comes down same was as other patches, via update manager. Depends on your settings.
[18:29] <krhahn> Okay...  I could do this on my desk top which i have yet to upgrade.
[18:30] <starcraftman> See System > Administration > Update Manager > settings to see how your computer is set to do updates.
[18:31] <starcraftman> under automatic updates. If your upgrading multiple computers might be good idea to get ISO, saves on bandwidth.
[18:32] <starcraftman> any issues other than scroll krhahn?
[18:33] <krhahn> THe lock mouse button seems to not work properly too but I am thinking they may be related?
[18:35] <starcraftman> krhahn: aye, that I've seen a bug report for. Seem keybindings on some notebooks have been mixed up. Will just need to wait similarly for a patch.
[18:35] <krhahn> okay...  Great!  I'll look forward to it.  Thanks for your help :)
[18:35] <starcraftman> krhahn: no problem, that's what here for :)
[19:10] <phillw> hi duanedesign
[19:39] <mangewu> hi
[19:41] <pedro3005> hey, mangewu
[19:42] <paultag> hey pedro3005, mangewu
[19:43] <pedro3005> o/ paultag
[19:43] <paultag> pedro3005, how goes?
[19:44] <pedro3005> paultag, great, thanks :) how are you?
[19:44] <mangewu> hai pedro
[19:44] <mangewu> my connection is suck
[19:44] <paultag> pedro3005, good :)
[19:44] <mangewu> sometimes lost
[20:29] <Sourcequench> Just upgraded from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04LTS. Mostly, It's been problem free. I noticed that window decorations (minimize / maximize / close buttons) that were previously in the upper right have moved to the upper left. I hate this and it makes me sad. Is there any easy way to change it?
[20:31] <pedro3005> Sourcequench, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[20:36] <phillw> Sourcequench: just be aware that they have been moved for a reason, things are planned for 10.10
[20:45] <geirha> They'll switch linux for darwin? :)
[21:40] <TJ_> Hi, anyone got time for a question or two about wine?
[21:40] <pedro3005> sure
[21:40] <TJ_> I posted details, they're in the wine forum, but I'm trying to run a simple program that I used a lot in Windows, and everytime it trys to load the .dll files it crashes
[21:42] <pedro3005> Ah, I wouldn't know much... Maybe #winehq
[21:43] <phillw> or http://appdb.winehq.org/
[21:43] <phillw> TJ_: if you let me know the programme, I'll look it up for you
[21:44]  * phillw has little to do in life & is a member, even though not running win systems ;-)
[21:45] <TJ_> It's called mbcore, it's probably not a widely known program, think it was made by someone for the game it is for
[21:45] <TJ_> it basically is a go between from a MUD to the client (tinyfugue)
[21:50] <phillw> TJ_: I've rapidly seen that, there are all for 4 entries on google for it (yikes!!), I can only suggest that you ask on http://forum.winehq.org/viewforum.php?f=2  You need to register, but it is not a 'spamming' forum. Sorry that I cannot be of more help, there just seems to be no information. (I'll await for pedro3005 to prove me wrong ;-) ).
[21:59] <TJ_> Thanks for the advice, going to keep plugging away at it. Someone is telling me that if I have the source code (which I do) I can make it a Linux program instead, but I have no idea how to do that considering I installed Ubuntu quite recently
[22:01] <phillw> TJ_: it's worth posting on to that forum, some one else there may be able to help.
[22:03] <TJ_> I'm going to try and figure out how to compile the code, I think I'd rather run it as a Linux program if I can, and supposedly others have had success doing it...
[22:03] <TJ_> Although I will probably post on that forum if I don't have any luck
[22:03] <TJ_> Thanks phillw
[22:51] <asterismo> my fellow ubunteers
[22:52] <asterismo> i have a problem
[22:52] <asterismo> is this the right channel to ask?
[22:52] <pedro3005> sure
[22:52] <malev> yeah!
[22:53] <asterismo> this is the thing
[22:53] <asterismo> back in karmic, i used to plug my 32" LCD TV and watch movies cloning displays
[22:53] <asterismo> is that clear?
[22:53] <asterismo> i'm using ATI propretary drivers
[22:53] <asterismo> they run always like a charm
[22:54] <asterismo> because back in karmic they were the only driver that supported 3D acceleraion for compiz and stuff
[22:54] <asterismo> BUT
[22:54] <asterismo> now
[22:54] <asterismo> in lucid i have 2 options
[22:54] <asterismo> opensource ATI driver that also runs like a charm
[22:54] <asterismo> very smooth
[22:55] <asterismo> and the propietary ATI driver
[22:55] <asterismo> that also runs like a charm...
[22:55] <asterismo> but i can't watch movies in the same TV again
[22:55] <asterismo> and this is what i could account for till now
[22:56] <pedro3005> with neither?
[22:56] <asterismo> neither
[22:56] <asterismo> 1)
[22:56] <asterismo> neither of opensource and propietary ATI driver allows me to change the colour depth of my screen
[22:57] <asterismo> back in karmic this was an option, the colour depth, that i was must always to set to 16M for this 32" TV
[22:57] <pedro3005> what is your card model?
[22:57] <asterismo> ATI Radeon HD 3200
[22:58] <asterismo> in an HP 6735s laptop
[22:58] <asterismo> and there is more
[22:59] <asterismo> in the ATI catalyst as well as in Monitors dirplay (gnome-display-properties)
[22:59] <asterismo> there are boxes with available resolutions and frequencies
[23:00] <asterismo> and it happens that i can clone my TV with my laptop, when i set 1024x768 @ 60Hz
[23:00] <asterismo> but this is wrong resolution... wrong aspect ratio
[23:01] <asterismo> but when i select 1280x800 (correct resolution)
[23:01] <asterismo> it only allows me to pick 75Hz
[23:01] <asterismo> and no 60Hz that makes the LCD TV work
[23:01] <asterismo> so here is my question...
[23:02] <asterismo> is there some way to edit possible frequencies in order to make available the 1280x800@60Hz like i used to in karmic???
[23:03] <asterismo> i ask you as the last resource
[23:03] <asterismo> because i searched and googled before with no luck
[23:04] <pedro3005> :/ have you tried asking the forums? I also can't find anything... I thought about downgrading the drivers but it seems the last ones are incompatible with the new Xorg in 10.04
[23:04] <compiledkernel> pedro3005: im talking to him.
[23:05] <pedro3005> oh, okay compiledkernel. thanks, and sup! been gone... Missed your links :P
[23:05] <compiledkernel> dont have the time or hte inclination to do them any more pedro3005
[23:06] <compiledkernel> my involvement is limited at best.
[23:11] <TJ_> Hi again - I'm trying to compile a program and getting an error - zlib.h: No such file or directory. I did apt-get install zlibc, and zlib-bin and zlib16 as well, but when I try to compile I still get this error...I'm pretty new to compiling anything
[23:12] <compiledkernel> TJ_:  what are you compiling?
[23:12] <pedro3005> TJ_, try sudo apt-get install zlibg1-dev
[23:13] <compiledkernel> what pedro3005, said.
[23:13] <TJ_> says it couldn't find the package
[23:14] <pedro3005> hmm.. this link is outdated then
[23:14] <pedro3005> sorry
[23:15] <pedro3005> TJ_, oh, silly me.. sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[23:16] <TJ_> oh heh
[23:17] <TJ_> That worked, thanks very much pedro3005
[23:17] <pedro3005> you're welcome :D