[00:05] Good morning funky people. [01:38] login foer live cd 10.04 === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [06:32] Good morning [06:47] Good morning pitti. [06:48] hey RAOF, had a nice weekend? [06:48] * pitti waves from Belgium [06:49] you're already in Belgium?! [06:50] yes, visiting some friends of mine in Leuven [06:50] pitti: A pretty productive weekend. We had a successful sofa hunt, and we've now got the tools to prune the front garden. [06:51] which is just a regional train hour from La Hulpe [06:51] ahh [06:51] was wondering why anyone would voluntarily spend more time in Belgium [06:54] belgian beer <3 [06:54] I hear the chocolate's nice, too :P [06:54] <: [06:59] pitti: do you know if totem codec detection is an ubuntu feature or something from upstream? [07:01] ccheney: it started out as an Ubuntu feature, but most bits are upstream now (the detection, not the actual package installation frontend, I think) [07:01] pitti: ah ok, i filed bug 574050, not sure if it belongs to upstream or our code [07:01] Launchpad bug 574050 in totem "totem detects HDV video but doesn't seem to know it can play it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574050 [07:04] if its something relatively easy to fix it might be worth to stick it in the relevant SRU if we are doing them anyway for gnome [07:06] it seems to also affect users trying to edit video in pitivi [07:10] hmm pitivi doesn't work even after ignoring the error [07:10] so maybe its more involved [07:13] otherwise the warning being produced is causing pitivi to completely ignore the file [07:13] with totem if you just cancel out it appears to try to play anyway and then it works [07:18] * ccheney bbl [07:45] hello [08:09] good morning [08:10] morning mvo seb128! [08:11] hey glatzor! [08:13] * pitti waves to didrocks, glatzor, mvo, and seb128; had a nice weekend? [08:13] mvo, seb128, I released AptDaemon 0.31 and SessionInstaller 0.10. This finally provides us the PackageKit session API [08:14] glatzor: you rock \o/ [08:14] hello pitti! Indeed! How are you? [08:14] glatzor: I prepare packages [08:14] mvo: hey [08:14] mvo: so conflictchecker had another package reading error [08:14] mvo: several in fact; I forwarded you the mail in case you're still not getting the originals [08:14] mvo: huh [08:14] why doesn't do-release-upgrade work? [08:15] hey pitti, yeah, nice week-end, thanks. Seems you got one nice too ;) [08:15] yes, I went from Munich to Leuven, and we went through the city yesterday [08:15] mvo, You can find the packaging for maverick in the corresponding branches: lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-maverick/ and lp:~aptdaemon-developers/sessioninstaller/ubuntu-maverick/ [08:16] mvo, I haven't yet checked compatibility with software-center, since it includes some API changes [08:17] Keybuk: d-r-u on a hardy system? [08:17] Keybuk: for those you still need to run with "--development" (or --proposed) [08:17] Keybuk: because we have not enabled lts -> lts by default yet [08:17] hey lifeless, I got one of the mails now [08:18] won't that upgrade me to maverick? [08:18] glatzor: cool [08:21] Keybuk: its confusing :/ this is why thinking about it via "--proposed" is maybe less scary. its a proposed upgrade but not for everyone just yet [08:21] glatzor: I will check this out, maverick is not open yet, so that is fine [08:21] heh [08:21] yeah [08:21] annoying bzr misfeature [08:22] lifeless: ^^ [08:22] bzr branch lp:ubuntu/somepackage [08:22] remembers "lucid" [08:22] so you can't just carry on into maverick [08:22] it should remember "current development release whatever that may be" [08:25] Keybuk: yes, but related to this is that we encode lucid in the official branch url on launchpad too [08:25] Keybuk: if we fixed that bzr wouldn't need to change, and it would Just Work. [08:26] Keybuk: bzr should change to remember the directory service url, I think, but thats not actually the root of this particular problem :) [08:27] bzr should remember lp:ubuntu/lucid [08:27] err [08:27] bzr should remember lp:ubuntu/package [08:27] not blah/blah/package/blah/ubuntu/blah/lucid/blah/lucid/blah/lucid :p [08:32] bzr should also fix bugs for me [08:32] and make me tea [08:32] especially the tea [08:36] hi there (again) [08:37] pitti, for bug 559412, I wasn't clear, the fix I propose is to revert the session change upstream did in 0.22, so this part is like the 0.21 release. But I can't upload the fix myself as I don't have any permission for that. can someone do it? [08:37] Launchpad bug 559412 in obexd "bluetooth-sendto dialog is not closed after transfer is finished." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559412 [08:38] baptistemm: ah, I understand; I can sponsor it [08:38] pitti, thanks a lot [08:40] baptistemm: meh, seems that lp:ubuntu/obexd isn't up to date (it has 0.21 still) [08:40] hmm [08:41] perhaps it was not merged yet ? [08:41] but your merge includes it, so that shold be fine [08:41] yeah, my change is stacked over the branch I did for 0.22 [08:41] bzr bd FTW [08:45] baptistemm: sponsored [08:46] mvo, I created screencast if you want to get a first impression: http://www.glatzor.de/blog/blog-details/article/putting-things-together/ [08:46] pitti, thanks a lot [08:46] * baptistemm hugs pitti ^^ [08:47] * pitti hugs back baptistemm, merci for fixing it [08:47] glatzor: cool! just watched it [08:49] hey glatzor pitti [08:49] pitti, yes, good weekend in Brussels [08:53] seb128, if you have time could you confirm bug 559412 is fixed for you? [08:53] Launchpad bug 559412 in obexd "bluetooth-sendto dialog is not closed after transfer is finished." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559412 [08:53] hi btw [08:53] baptistemm, hi, I will have a look when I've time but I'm sprinting this week so I will not have much distro time [08:54] baptistemm: it's not accepted into -proposed yet (will do that in a bit) [08:55] pitti, ah okay, sorry i don't really know the process [08:55] seb128, you're already in Bxl ? [08:55] cassidy, yes, sort of, the uds location is half an hour out of bruxelles [08:56] I'm there already this week [08:56] I know, it's a trap! [08:56] totally not Brussels :p [08:56] I'll even have to take the train to go there [08:59] seb128, btw, I'll be there next week on Monday, Tuesday and Wed. Would be cool if the empathy sessions could be during these days [09:00] cassidy, ok, noted [09:03] salut seb128, ça va? l'hôtel est bien? ;) [09:04] didrocks, oui, oui l'hotel est bien? [09:05] ?->! [09:15] seb128, on s'emmerde pas, La Hulpe c'est qd même la commune la plus riche de Belgique ;) [09:25] mpt, hello [09:25] mpt, I added a test section to http://wiki.debian.org/aptdaemon/DependencyHandling, so you could take a look at the dependency confirmation dialogs. [09:27] hi [09:27] anyone found a fix for Bug 569543 [09:27] Launchpad bug 569543 in gwibber "Could not identify preference: username Could not identify preference: session_key failure yet authed for services" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569543 [09:27] it's really annoying not being able to add accounts [09:35] kenvandine: ^ [09:35] dpm, hey [09:35] hi glatzor [09:35] switchgirl: (he's not awake right now, he'll follow up later) [09:35] heya seb128, morning [09:35] dpm, how is the translation import queue? did everything uploaded before lucid got imported? [09:36] glatzor, great, thanks [09:37] seb128, no, it didn't, and we should probably release a new langpack soon. However, I believe everything translated in GNOME before the upstream translation deadline got imported. Translations on my system look great, and we haven't had any complaints from translators [09:48] dpm, ok thanks [10:07] pitti: seb128:how hard would it be to get a microrelease update for transmission in lucid? There are two bugs that have to be fixed and while it can be done as a backport it would make sense to keep transmission in LTS at the latest bugfix release (and this one is going to be the last in 1.9x). Some private trackers ban earlier releases to limit a number of allowed clients (and make it harder [10:07] to cheat). Fedora has updated to 1.93 so it should get enough testing, we could let it sit in -proposed for some time after verification so more people can test it. [10:08] kklimonda: sounds fine, if the individual changes meet the SRU and FF/UIF criteria [10:08] (like no string changes, etc.) [10:09] hi hi [10:09] mvo: dude, long time no see [10:11] hey gicmo! indeed - how are you? [10:16] mvo, pretty good [10:16] mvo, I miss you all of course [10:18] we miss you too! [10:19] mvo, btw, update-manager -c should be able to upgrade me to lucid from hardy(!) right? [10:19] I am not seeing any cool "New release avail" dialog [10:19] maybe the ubuntu.bio.lmu.de mirror is fucking things up though [10:20] gicmo: oh, this is comming up so often, our message is not good. "update-manager --proposed" will put you there from hardy [10:20] gicmo: we have not enabled it yet by default to show up on hardy systems [10:21] grml, and this is kubuntu (+ the gnome desktop), can I migrate to ubuntu as well [10:22] gicmo: by default it will upgrade both (kubuntu, ubuntu) on such a system [10:23] gicmo: if you want to get rid of kubuntu, easiest is to remove kdelibs5 I think [10:23] ahh thanks! ;-) [10:23] *evil grin* [10:23] ;) [10:24] mvo, ahh now I am seeing the dialog [10:24] hi all [10:24] hey rickspencer3 [10:24] hi pitti! [10:24] hey gicmo, how are you? [10:24] I missed my train to Brussels, have to wait a while now :/ [10:25] rickspencer3: waving from Leuven :) [10:25] pretty good [10:25] rickspencer3: where are you now? [10:25] Amsterdam still? [10:26] pitti, yes [10:26] I found a place near the train station with wireless [10:28] hey rickspencer3 [10:34] gicmo: let me know how the upgrade goes [10:36] mvo, I will scream if something goes wrong, don't worry ;-) [10:37] wow, it downloaded 2k packages in less then 5 minutes [10:37] friggin fast network here [10:47] gicmo: the german server is amazing currently [10:48] mvo, and I am currently at the LMU and they have fiber connection everywhere [10:48] ;-) [10:48] sweet [10:48] totally [11:02] does anyone notice that openoffice presentation no longer seems to fullscreen when entering presentation mode? [11:51] going out of lunch, bb in a couple of hours [11:51] didrocks, enjoy [11:52] seb128: thanks, it's with the French "gendarmerie", for a conference for next ubuntu party :) [11:52] oh, nice ;-) === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [12:24] switchgirl, do you have a facebook "username", like my login is my email but i also have a username of "kenvandine" [12:25] i wonder if people that didn't enable that are running into this [12:26] humm... gwibber stores that username, but i think not everyone would have that [12:27] i bet gwibber uses that in a bunch of places [12:44] mvo: so upgrade frooze the system and now I have a kernel panic [12:44] ;-) [12:44] ahh good old linux days [12:45] gicmo: *weehh* [12:45] gicmo: froze in what way? [12:45] gicmo: and you boot a previous kernel? [12:45] something with s [12:45] it can't find the disk with uuid=xyz it says [12:46] gicmo: can you still boot the previous kernel? [12:47] mvo, nope, first error gives udevd and then it cannot find the disk [12:47] kenvandine, yes i do [12:49] gicmo: before you boot the kernel, replace uuid with "root=/dev/something" (try sda1) [12:49] artnay, /dev doesn't contain any disks [12:49] I guess udev is fubar [12:49] gicmo: hm, usually it keeps a previous kernel with the old initramfs with the working udev and friends [12:50] bull I try the oldschool way [12:50] I had this and I simply replaced uuid with /dev/sda1, worked. [12:50] mvo, let me try a few others (old gernals) [12:50] after that I set GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub [12:50] gnome version of kernel [12:50] ;-) [12:52] mvo, ok a very old kernel booted and now asks me for root pw [12:53] I guess that will be a reinstall [12:53] gicmo: please send me the logs firt [12:54] gicmo: first [12:54] gicmo: the stuff in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* [12:54] gicmo: and anything that looks like its releated to the freeze in the logs [12:54] gicmo: I really want to get to the bottom of this first [12:54] mvo, If I ever manage to get to a console (maybe with the livecd) [12:55] mvo, I have no clue what root pw that should be [12:56] gicmo: try "init=/bin/sh" at the grub prompt then :) [12:56] now I really fell back in 1997 [12:56] ;-) [12:56] feel [12:58] mvo, sooo what exactly do you need? [12:58] gicmo: for a slightly more comfortable feeling, try /bin/bash instead :) [12:58] gicmo: the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* [12:58] mvo, well, I mean where does upgrade manager store its stuff? [12:59] pitti, bash? do you think I am a luxury hore? [12:59] haha [12:59] ;-) [12:59] I am also a zsh user [12:59] ;-) [12:59] gicmo: and if it crashed/froze, anything that might be helpful there, if you find something in the kernel logs for example [13:00] mvo, Setting up splix (2.0.0-2ubuntu3) [13:00] that is the last thing in term.log [13:02] gicmo: hm, not very helpful [13:03] mvo, I looked at most files, all not very helpfull [13:03] mvo, any change I can continue the upgrares? [13:03] gicmo: anything in ../kern.log that might give a clue? [13:03] gicmo: certainly, in the recovery mode there is a entry for this, you can also do it now [13:03] gicmo: run /usr/share/recovery-mode/recovery-menu [13:03] ok let me see [13:03] gicmo: that gives you something like dpkg-fix or so [13:05] kenvandine, it doesn't it asks for an email address not username the user name thing is different and used for vhat only [13:05] chat* [13:05] gwibber in not chat therefore not used [13:05] mvo, apt-term.log has "Setting up open" [13:05] ;-) [13:05] apparently carshed before office [13:05] ;-) [13:06] gicmo: what happend to the machine, was it frozen solid? no mouse, no nothing? or blank screen? [13:06] fozen solid [13:07] screen was frozen (image) [13:07] no mouse, no keyboard, nothing [13:08] :( [13:13] mvo, it tries to download console-setup and fails to then install it [13:13] subprocess dpkg returns error code 2 [13:14] * gicmo tries apt-get -f install [13:14] just becuase ;-) [13:15] didrocks: around? === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [13:21] mvo, so, apt-get -f install does something [13:21] let's see [13:23] gicmo: I'm sure it will recover just fine, its just freaking anoying that it did freeze without any traces in any logs [13:24] yeah, ;-/ [13:28] gicmo: the trouble is that its hard to tell if it was the upgrade killing it [13:28] gicmo: or "just" the load that it suddently put on the machine [13:28] gicmo: nothing in kern.log or syslog? on crash in /var/crash? [13:28] hi, can someone update me on the state of audio and video IM in 10.04? Does empathy (or anything else) support it? [13:29] mvo, hmm not sure, I have copied over all logs [13:29] [Bug 513346] Keeps being marked as Low importance. its really important that it is fixed urgently [13:29] Launchpad bug 513346 in empathy "MSN connection does not work: Network error" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513346 [13:29] ok [13:29] @ seb128 [13:29] mvo, will send them over once I have back to X11 [13:29] thanks [13:32] pitti, does uploading the fix for obexd means you'll merge the branch also, or is it a differnet process ? [13:33] baptistemm: can't push to lucid-proposed [13:33] baptistemm: the auto-importer will deal with it, I guess [13:33] can't -> there's an error when I try [13:33] okay, tbh, I don't really know the branch process [13:33] it needs to be created first, or something such [13:34] mvo, almost [13:34] mvo, it fixed lots of packages [13:34] gicmo: cool [13:34] mvo, but apprently still has some errors [13:34] gicmo: can you give me a example? [13:34] switchgirl, hi [13:34] Errors were encourtered while process: [13:34] global [13:34] and the recovery menu still chokes on setting up console-setup [13:35] hi seb128 [13:35] hi seb128 [13:35] unable to reopen stdi [13:35] stdin [13:35] hmm let me try something [13:35] yeah seb128 the msn thing is really important people simply cant connect [13:36] hey gicmo [13:36] update-rc shoud be where? [13:36] switchgirl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance by that definition a bug with a workaround is Low ... seb128 set it to low before anyone said the workaround wouldnt work [13:36] switchgirl, it's only an im, it's not end of the world [13:36] bump it to medium :) [13:36] and restarting telepathy-butterfly should work no? [13:37] set it blocker if you want it's not like the setting will make the bug fixed faster there [13:37] seb128, i'm 21 it's the end of the world as we know it :P lmao [13:37] I wish people spend their time doing something constructive rather than argue about settings [13:38] seb128, if i could code i would :) [13:38] do you get the issue all the time? [13:38] uninstall telepathy-butterfly is a mistake there [13:38] i don't others do - i went weeks witjout any IM [13:39] switchgirl, gwibber gets it back from facebook when you login and stores it [13:39] i used to [13:40] and apparently it doesn't handle the case when that doesn't exist [13:40] switchgirl, I've asked questions on the bug, it's low priority because it's not something happening to lot of users [13:40] switchgirl, what error do you get in empathy when trying to connect? [13:41] switchgirl, if you stop telepathy-butterfly does it work? [13:41] i used to get network error [13:41] you used to? now? [13:41] seb128 i was using beta and its ok now [13:42] ok, so why did you raise the issue there now? ;-) [13:42] kubuntu spalsh screen [13:42] but was really frustraighting to not have im [13:42] fuck that [13:42] need to change that [13:42] ;-) [13:42] others are experiancing the issue, you are right though shouldn't have raised it [13:42] sorry [13:43] that's ok, nothing to be sorry about [13:43] switchgirl, there are plenty of other IM apps that can use MSN ... so you wouldnt be *without* IM ... just without MSN in telepathy until its fixed :) [13:43] there are always fallaback apps in such cases (well, most of the time at least) [13:43] *fallback [13:44] seb128 i have noticed one small thing it does sometimes get confused [13:44] it posts the senders words under my name [13:44] weird [13:45] open a bug with the empathy, debug dialog, butterfly log if you can [13:45] look for private informations in the log and replaces contact names and text if you want [13:45] hasn't happened for ages and tbh i only remember it once [13:47] switchgirl, we got quite some msn issues fixed in the month before lucid [13:49] seb128, i know and like i said to the soldier in the street after his tour of duty... thank you it is appriciated [13:50] wonderful, a nvidia crash [13:53] switchgirl, you're welcome [14:45] sabdfl: nice post.. I think this is a great idea [14:51] seb128: ping [14:56] seb128: one of the brasero guys pinged me and showed me this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617494 [14:56] Gnome bug 617494 in general "Fails to burn ANY audio project" [Blocker,Unconfirmed] [14:56] they're getting bugs from people with audio CD problems (similar to the one I had) [14:57] and they've tested on other distros and suspect that there's something lucid-specific that is the problem === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [14:59] jcastro, not likely ubuntu specific no [14:59] we have no distro change likely to create that issue [14:59] it's not broken for everybody either [14:59] rickspencer and I tried and it's working for us too [15:02] seb128: ok so now what? [15:04] thanks cjohnston [15:04] :-) [15:13] jcastro, not sure what replies you are waiting on there [15:13] jcastro, somebody need to debug brasero, if upstream doesn't want to we will need to do it [15:13] jcastro, I don't get the issue though so doesn't make that easy [15:16] well, they are getting the bug reports upstream ... [15:16] it's bad timing right before UDS I don't have time to look at it right now [15:16] jcastro, well it's an upstream issue [15:16] seb128: what are the chances we have someone around not doing anything that can help? (hah) [15:16] we don't distro change their code [15:16] What if it's some other bit? [15:17] like wodim or whatever? [15:17] well they could be helpful and tell us what can confuse their software [15:18] jcastro, could you get them looking to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613986? [15:19] Gnome bug 613986 in general "Pressing create audio cd does nothing" [Normal,New] [15:19] ok [15:25] kenvandine, d'oh, I was going to add today the --disable-introspection config flag to couchdb-glib as we talked, and it was already available via the GOBJECT_INTROSPECTION_CHECK m4 macro [15:26] kenvandine, I'll add a --disable-introspection arg to configure in the next package upgrade [15:28] rodrigo_: he's not working today [15:28] jcastro, ah, ok [16:36] morning [16:39] good morning Nafai [16:39] How are you didrocks? [16:40] Nafai: I'm fine thanks ;) and you? [16:40] not bad, dealing with allergies/a cold. Going to the doctor later today though. [16:54] urgh :/ [16:54] hope you will feel better for UDS :) [16:54] Me too, that's why I'm going to the doctor today. [16:54] Normally I would just suffer through it === vuntz|aw1y is now known as vuntz [17:11] hello didrocks [17:11] hey duanedesign [17:12] hope you had a good weekend. :) [17:12] duanedesign: productive one, preparing the French ubuntu-party and enjoying ubuntu Paris release party, so, yeah ;) [17:12] duanedesign: and you? [17:13] that sounds fun [17:14] didrocks: have you done, or thought about getting the sources list with the apt library? [17:15] duanedesign: yeah, I've a lot of "little issues" to take into account in that design. My plan is to make a pdf with schemes of what's the issues and what decision to take on that regards for UDS [17:16] like for instance, you have different laptop your synchronize, making a list of installed application by computer, common? [17:16] you upgrade and have ppa/3rd party repo, what to do on reinstallation? [17:16] didrocks: i was trying to find in the Software Center where it handles that. Would be nice to associatte the sources with the packages [17:16] btw, there is a new algorithm at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneConf, if you want to test it :) [17:17] duanedesign: well, I don't think associate each package with each source is the right thing to do, because it will always take the last version (with respect to apt pinning), whatever available repo are [17:18] and if you have an updated list for lucid, and reinstall in maverick, available apps and version can be different [17:18] so, a lot of cornercase to discuss about at UDS :) [17:18] didrocks: ahhh, i see what you mean [17:18] hmmm. didnt even think of that [17:19] yeah, it's a little bit of a headache, but conceptually interesting :) [17:19] duanedesign: I'll try to make a pdf with schemas this week about the different issues and decisions we will face for the UDS session. I can ping you once done for first review if you are interested [17:19] yeah ill have to ponder that. Got a few people contributing to Stipple. Ill present it to them in case they have some insight [17:20] sure :) [17:20] didrocks: yes definetly. [17:20] thanks didrocks! [17:21] duanedesign: you're welcome. I really think we should do that either as a service or a trigger and put at least that part in common (not telling about storing .vimrc and other stuff, that should remain in stipple for more advanced configuration) [17:21] but first UDS to take the right design decision :) [17:22] didrocks: sounds good. We have been working to make Stipple extensible so adding plugins will be easy [17:22] great ;) [17:23] didrocks: i am looking forward to UDS. Wont be able to make it in person but have made arrangments to be able to participate remotely [17:24] duanedesign: sweet, I'll made sure that we take into account IRC participation [17:51] Laney: ping [17:54] mpt: hi [17:55] and471, welcome back? [17:55] mpt: alas not yet [17:55] mpt: start of july [17:55] ah [17:55] mpt: exams start about now :-) [17:56] Best wishes for those, then [17:56] I was able to do some hacking in the bank holiday though :-) [17:56] mpt: thankyou [17:56] mpt: would you like to see ? [17:56] sure [17:57]