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dakergodbyk, godbyk-android http://flexpaper.devaldi.com/index.php00:44
dakernight all01:36
humphreybchey guys03:43
godbykhey, humphreybc03:44
humphreybcwhat's new?03:44
godbyknothing here. I'm just emerging from my coma. :)03:44
humphreybchehe03:45
humphreybci've got an appointment with the bank at 10:30 am tomorrow...!03:45
humphreybc10:30aM!!!03:45
humphreybcI guess I need to start packing soon, too03:45
humphreybcalso, looks like thursday at 2000 UTC is going to work for a meeting03:45
godbykokay.03:46
humphreybcwhich means I have the UX meeting at midnight thur night, then UMP meeting at 8am the next day!03:46
godbykyeah, I was thinking the same. gonna have to figure out when to sleep. :)03:46
humphreybchaha03:47
ubuntujenkinsmorning07:51
ubuntujenkins+quickshot08:00
quickshotbotubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future.08:00
godbykWow.. we've sold 38 copies of the book now.08:26
ubuntujenkinsthats really good08:27
godbykMost of them are probably from our own team, but, hey. :)08:32
humphreybcLol! we've got bots for china now08:32
ubuntujenkinsbots for china?08:32
humphreybclike, lots of bots08:32
ubuntujenkinso i see08:32
humphreybcthere's manualbot, quickshotbot and daker's bot08:32
ubuntujenkinsand Mootbot08:33
humphreybclol08:33
ubuntujenkinsdaker started me on the quickshotbot he was hand writting one but i cheated and got spybot and used that08:33
humphreybclol08:33
humphreybcthere's a meeting this thursday btw Luke08:34
ubuntujenkinsI may not be there i don't know yet. Waiting on an e-mail08:34
ubuntujenkinsI hope to be there :)08:35
humphreybckk08:35
humphreybchow much time do you have right now luke?08:35
ubuntujenkinsnot doing much might get some breakfast08:35
ubuntujenkinswhich takes 5 mins08:35
humphreybcokay, when you come back we could have a skype call with godbyk08:35
ubuntujenkinssure08:36
ubuntujenkinsright ready08:40
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc and godbyk skype?08:50
humphreybcgodbyk's not here, he's disappeared. maybe having tea08:51
ubuntujenkinshes on skype now he wasn't a moment ago08:52
humphreybcok08:54
humphreybchold up one sec08:54
godbykAh, sorry. Back now.08:56
humphreybcokay08:59
humphreybcubuntujenkins: your sound quality is shit09:13
humphreybclike, really shit09:13
* ubuntujenkins looks at head sets09:40
ubuntujenkinsany recomendations godbyk or humphreybc ?09:43
humphreybcI just use some crappy old chinese one that cost me $1009:44
humphreybcit sounds good09:44
godbykHere's the headset that I own: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682615806909:45
ubuntujenkinsok thanks09:45
* ubuntujenkins bot is not remembering factoids each time it restarts10:14
ubuntujenkins+quickshot10:28
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future.10:28
ubuntujenkins+help10:29
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.10:29
godbykhow many bots are in here now and what are they each for?10:29
godbykam I going to have to create a bot just for answering latex questions now? ;-)10:30
ubuntujenkinswell manual bot does ubuntu factoids mootbot does meetings quickshotdevs is quickshot info and fun channel data10:32
ubuntujenkinsChannelStats10:33
ubuntujenkins+ChannelStats10:33
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 57 messages, containing 2262 characters, 396 words, 2 smileys, and 1 frown; 1 of those messages was an ACTION.  There have been 5 joins, 2 parts, 1 quit, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.10:33
CustardThe bot rejoin recently?10:34
CustardOh, so it did10:34
ubuntujenkinsalso quickshotdevs should let us know of any posts made on the ubuntu-manual planet10:35
thorwilgodbyk: my favorite is the zen bot. it's not even here!10:35
godbykcool10:36
ubuntujenkinsno one has made a blog post yet for it to be tested10:37
* dutchie is back from oggcamp10:39
dutchiegoing to get to the point where there are more bots than people :)10:40
ubuntujenkinshello dutchie how was it?10:40
dutchiegreat fun10:40
ubuntujenkinshopefully i might be able to make it next year10:41
dutchie\o/10:41
ubuntujenkinsdutchie: any idea how to remove the "ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be" from the start of the factoids? quickshotdevs is baised on supybot which is what ubot is baised on.10:43
dutchiewhen you teach it a factoid, put <reply> in where you want the reply to start10:44
dutchieso "!quickshot is <reply> A tool for taking localised screenshots"10:44
ubuntujenkinsok thanks10:45
ubuntujenkinsyou use + for quickshotdevs btw10:45
ubuntujenkinsdidn't waant to trigger manualbot10:45
dutchieprobably a good plan10:45
ubuntujenkinsdutchie: how did you teach it the revisons thing? I would like to try +qs200 to return http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/200 . was there a plugin you used?11:10
ubuntujenkinsbut i am too lazy to program each one11:16
mandrewhiya fellow citizens11:18
ubuntujenkinshello mandrew11:18
mandrewhow is it hanging11:18
mandrewdo you have good knowledge about UNE?11:19
* ubuntujenkins does not sorry11:19
mandrewnp11:20
ubuntujenkinswhats you question anyway?11:20
mandrewif it's possible to get a "proper" desktop environment in the UNE version of Ubuntu?11:21
mandrewfrom the menus11:21
mandrewor am i forced to log in and out to do that '11:21
mandrewim not really a fan of the DE in the UNE11:22
ubuntujenkinsI think you would have to log out, once you have installed it. I suggest asking #ubuntu11:22
Custard^11:22
CustardYou can, but it requires a log in/out11:23
mandrewi did and the answer i got there to what the log in log out tip11:23
mandrewtoo*  was*11:24
ubuntujenkinsyou will not have to do it each time just choose it when you log in11:24
mandrewnice nice11:26
mandrewi just upgraded my msi wind u 160 with a 80gb ssd :D11:29
mandrewit's super easy to do it though just pop up the keyboard then you can access the hdd and swoop it for a ssd no need to pop the whole thing open11:32
mandrewyou guys working on the 10.10 manual now?11:33
godbykNot quite yet.11:34
ubuntujenkinsmostly edition 2 of 10.04 at the moment11:34
mandrewok sweet11:34
godbykWe'll start work on 10.10 in a few months (after they've had some time to get new stuff running).11:34
mandrewany new things in the 10.04 release?11:34
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk: were not going to retake the screencaps for edition 2 are we?11:34
ubuntujenkinsa video editor that i can't spell11:35
godbykubuntujenkins: Good question. I don't know.  We can probably keep the ones we have.11:35
ubuntujenkinsI hope so11:35
ubuntujenkinsmandrew: also gwibber11:35
godbykubuntujenkins: I don't know if any need to be retaken or not.11:35
ubuntujenkinsI don't "think" they do11:35
godbykubuntujenkins: Or if we'll add any.  Depends on what extra sections of text get written.11:35
humphreybcmandrew: lots of new stuff planned for maverick tho ;)11:35
* ubuntujenkins hopes humphreybc will give us the full inside story11:36
mandreware you guys going to do a K, X, L, E etc etc *buntu versions to?11:36
CustardMight be better for the distro maintainers to contribute spin specific parts?11:37
mandrewnice humphreybc11:37
ubuntujenkinsin the long run yes we need more people who know about those distors mandrew11:37
ian__What parts of the manual need working on?11:37
ian__for Authors11:38
godbykian__: We're going to have a meeting in a few days to pin that down.11:38
humphreybcian__: ummm... we probably need editors more than authors right now, although pretty much the entire thing11:38
humphreybcbut yeah, meeting on thursday at 2000 UTC11:38
humphreybchttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings11:38
ian__I already made a couple of mods to the Security section and the CMD section11:38
godbykian__: Great! You might hold on to those for just a bit longer.11:39
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: I did tell ilya but i am not going to be writing for the next release. lots of quickshot stuff to do11:39
godbykI'm probably going to wipe out the e2 branch and create a fresh one without all the history/cruft.11:39
mandrewman i got my UNE to start up on 14 sec :D with the ssd11:39
godbykThen we can start pulling in the edits.11:39
ian__I added notes concerning the use of sudo and that when typing in commands, EVERYTHING is CASE SESITIVE11:39
ian__SENSITIVE11:39
godbykmandrew: Nice!  I wish I had an SSD.11:39
mandrewexpensive as hell11:40
ian__I am still as yet unsure how I would upload and what exactly. Im kinda new at this11:40
mandrewi got a 80gb and it cost me an arm and a leg11:41
Custardmandrew, intel g2?11:41
mandrewyup11:42
mandrewgood for my battery ;)11:42
Custard;)11:42
ian__so is using a netbook11:44
mandrewi must say i love the manual and the idea behind it ;) good work guys keep it up11:44
ubuntujenkinsmandrew: there is always room to help11:45
ian__I think I may write up something under CMD concerning permissions for advanced users11:46
mandrewthere sure is but im just a newbie so ill be helping with the translations instead11:46
ian__such as the use of chmod11:46
ian__along with several common *nix commands11:47
ian__lspci11:47
ian__How do you go about setting up a new section? like a new .tex?11:48
humphreybcian__: um, for now i wouldn't :)11:49
humphreybcto be completely honest, most of the work in lucid e2 and maverick will be editing and _removing_ things, to make it less technical and bloated11:50
ian__ok, just thinking about making a section about advanced commands11:50
humphreybchence why we need really good editors11:50
humphreybcheh11:50
ian__ok11:50
humphreybcwell, remember the title is "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" - it's not meant to cover advanced commands. But the manual won't be the only thing the team is doing, it's just one "product" of ours11:50
ian__what sections need editing into layman's speak?11:50
humphreybcwe will have space available in the future for advanced commands and stuff11:51
humphreybcum, we're not sure, we need to review it properly11:51
humphreybchence the meeting on thursday11:51
ian__When the Manual is done, Im taking it to the local print shop and having them make a few to give to firends and people I introduce to ubuntu11:51
humphreybcwe're still establishing goals and principles and getting footing as a team, as well as working out our workflow11:52
ian__ok, what time CST?11:52
ubuntujenkinsian__: you can buy the book here http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/1079355911:52
mandrewwaow man ill buy a copy11:53
humphreybcian__: not sure but if you go to the meetings page on our wiki, there is a link that takes you to the fixed world time for that time, then you can find your city and timezone11:54
mandrewits not a hard back book?11:54
ian__I C about 2PM Tuesday eh?11:54
ian__CST11:54
ian__thursday11:54
humphreybcthat sounds about right11:54
ian__here?11:54
ubuntujenkinsmandrew: "Perfect-bound Paperback"11:54
humphreybcnope, #ubuntu-meeting11:54
ian__ok11:55
ian__c u then11:55
humphreybcokay!11:55
humphreybcsounds good :)11:55
ian__nite11:55
mandrewhmmm ubuntujenkins im not sure what that is, im not a native English speaker :(11:56
godbykmandrew: It's not hard-cover, it's paperback.11:57
mandrewok11:57
ubuntujenkinsmandrew: there is an image at the top http://www.lulu.com/uk/publish/books/?cid=publish_portal11:57
godbykmandrew: The hard-cover edition cost a lot more, so we didn't create one this time.11:57
mandrewok11:58
mandrewdamn a casewrap would be nice to have though but i do understand that you guys need to think about the price too12:02
godbykmandrew: The PDF is freely available, so you're allowed to take it and get a copy of it printed and bound using casewrap, if you like.12:03
mandrewcan i do that through lulu?12:03
godbykmandrew: Yes.12:05
mandrewsweet12:05
godbykmandrew: Just a sec and I'll get you a link.12:05
godbykActually, I'll just create it for you and give you a link to the hard-cover edition. It'll be faster.12:05
mandrewok12:06
mandrewthanks12:06
godbyk(Assuming it'll use the same paper size.  If it doesn't, you'll have to give me a couple days to play with it.)12:06
mandrewok np12:06
godbykmandrew: It looks like the paper size for the casewrap version is a bit smaller.  So let me look into it a bit more for you.12:07
mandrewnp12:07
godbykmandrew: Can you send an email to kevin@ubuntu-manual.org to so I can flag it and remember it?12:07
mandrewsure12:08
mandrewe-mail sent12:10
godbykthanks12:10
mandrewi added a copy of our conversation in the mail to so you know what the hell it is lol12:11
godbykheh, good idea!12:11
doctormoIt's a very interesting diagram13:07
doctormoI take it that your looking seriously into mixable sources and multiple publishing targets13:07
humphreybcpretty much :)13:08
godbykyeah, a bit of everything it seems.13:08
godbykI've just added ePub to humphreybc's radar, too.13:09
humphreybcdoctormo: we're talking about all this during this week, and at our meeting on thursday. I have some mockups of some stuff too that I'm just finishing off, and then next week at UDS we can start into some serious discussion with the others13:09
humphreybcso doctormo, what do you reckon? Chat about it at UDS?13:12
doctormoI think so13:12
doctormoI don't know if you've seen my diagrams13:12
humphreybcNot sure, maybe?13:12
doctormoBut my thoughts run along the lines of:13:12
humphreybcI'm going to write up all of this stuff somewhere13:13
doctormo* Get a simple, file level context annotation program in place13:13
doctormo* Get the ability to edit a file in the gui and upload it to their own branch quickly.13:13
doctormo* tie it into ground control, since the code is all there.13:13
doctormo* Tie some publishing functions in.13:15
doctormoThat's about it13:15
humphreybcheh13:16
humphreybcat some point all this would involve the docs team13:16
humphreybcand they aint gonna like this :P13:16
ubuntujenkinsdutchie: how do i make the bot forget one or relearn it?13:19
humphreybcubuntujenkins, dutchie, thorwil, check your @ubuntu-manual.org accounts13:20
ubuntujenkinsI dig it up its hiding from me at the moment13:31
ubuntujenkins*I'll13:31
godbykubuntujenkins: did you say that xindy was in one of the ubuntu packages?13:40
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk: its in debian13:40
ubuntujenkinsyou also need xindy-ruls13:40
godbykbut not in ubuntu?13:40
ubuntujenkins*rules13:40
ubuntujenkinsno not in ubuntu sinse 8.1013:40
godbyk'kay. thanks13:40
godbykwas going to test the texlive 2009 packages in ubuntu 10.04 and see if they happened to work these days.13:40
godbykbut without xindy, I guess it's a no-go.13:41
ubuntujenkinsI have xindy in my ppa13:41
ubuntujenkinsI missed a texlive dependancy when i uploaded it all I haven't got around to fixing it13:42
humphreybcgodbyk, do you want me to pester some people at UDS to see if we can get more stuff in the universe repo?13:42
ubuntujenkinsi haven't got xindy-rules yet hopefully that will build soon13:42
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: that only helps people who run the latest version not people still on 9.10 etc. ppas of stuff in debian is easy13:43
humphreybcokay13:43
godbykI just responded to the the question with 'nope, you'll still need to download it from upstream.'13:44
ubuntujenkinsgodbyk: do why know what else is missing apart form ccicons and xindy?13:46
ubuntujenkinsI have just done a clean install but am waiting to fix my ppa to see what is wrong with it13:46
godbykubuntujenkins: I'm not sure yet. those are the two I've found so far.  The xetex version may also be too old. lemme check that next.13:48
ubuntujenkinsok I am happy to package up as much as i can to make it easier for people.13:49
godbykubuntujenkins: I think it's an actual bug that the xindy stuff isn't included in the lucid repositories.13:50
godbykubuntujenkins: they included makeglossaries, but that's a perl script that calls xindy (which is missing).13:51
ubuntujenkinsxindy failed to build when it was uploaded to anything above 8.10, it gets uploaded but fails. I got it to build ok13:52
ubuntujenkinsfull a bug on launchpad i guess as its an ubuntu bug not debian as in debian its fine13:53
ubuntujenkins*file13:53
godbykI'll do that.13:53
godbykTrying to figure out what to file against.13:53
humphreybchow hard is it to set up ssh into a server when you're not on the local network?13:55
ubuntujenkinsI have done it13:56
humphreybcoh yeah?13:56
ubuntujenkinsI assume you have physical acces to the ssh server13:56
godbykubuntujenkins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-extra/+bug/57444813:56
manualbotLaunchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New]13:56
humphreybcyeah I do13:56
* ubuntujenkins chooses affects me13:57
godbykI guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/574448 is a cleaner link.13:57
manualbotLaunchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New]13:57
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: I am just trying to find the wiki page13:58
humphreybcso, who's going to upgrade to Maverick?13:58
ubuntujenkinstempted13:58
humphreybcnothing will noticeably change for at least 3 weeks13:58
ubuntujenkinsI can't find the page i am looking for but this is good https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html14:00
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring this was the page i wanted14:01
ubuntujenkinsusefull for setting it up right14:01
humphreybcnea14:02
humphreybcneat*14:02
humphreybci'll look into it14:02
humphreybcHmm, my server just died14:54
humphreybcI think my flatmate might have bumped the router14:56
dakerhello15:20
dakerwassup ?15:21
ubuntujenkinshello daker, not much really15:21
daker+hello15:22
quickshotdevsdaker: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.15:22
humphreybchey daker15:22
dakerhhhhh15:22
daker+help15:22
quickshotdevsdaker: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.15:22
ubuntujenkins+hello15:23
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.15:23
ubuntujenkins+hello15:24
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.15:24
humphreybcbot mania?15:24
ubuntujenkinsit should work15:24
ubuntujenkins+quickshot15:24
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.15:24
ubuntujenkins+help is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay15:25
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: There is no command "is <reply> welcome to #ubuntumanual please enjoy our stay".15:25
ubuntujenkins+hello is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay15:25
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded.15:25
ubuntujenkins+hello15:26
quickshotdevsWelcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay15:26
dakerhumphreybc: yesterday we were creating a bot for Quickshot15:26
ubuntujenkinsAll these work in a private session with the bot i don't know why they don't work in the channel15:26
ubuntujenkinsI taught it lots of them ;/15:27
dakerlol15:28
dakermy bot is really good :)15:28
ubuntujenkinsChannelStats15:28
ubuntujenkins+ChannelStats15:28
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 323 messages, containing 14399 characters, 2648 words, 14 smileys, and 10 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 16 joins, 6 parts, 6 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.15:28
dakernow it will be 7 quits because i am leaving right now: )15:29
dakersee you15:29
ubuntujenkinsbye15:29
Custardubuntujenkins, Loughborough uni?15:49
ubuntujenkinsCustard: yep :-)15:50
CustardI have a few mates who go there ;)15:50
CustardThey're... arch fans though15:50
ubuntujenkinsI only know one person who uses linux they are an ubuntu fan15:51
ubuntujenkinsother than me*15:51
CustardWhat course? I think they're on CS15:51
ubuntujenkinsI am on mechanical engineering15:52
CustardAh. You guys might not see each other then15:53
ubuntujenkinsI guess not15:54
ubuntujenkins+quickshot15:55
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.15:55
* ubuntujenkins aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh silly bot15:55
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: it's started :)16:09
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: Ubuntu Open Week16:09
ubuntujenkinswhats on?16:09
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: get in there already then :D16:10
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat16:10
ubuntujenkinsQUESTION can humphreybc stop asking questions :-)16:33
ubuntujenkins;-)16:33
humphreybchehehe16:33
ubuntujenkinsanyone would think you were keen16:34
ubuntujenkinslol16:34
dutchieubuntujenkins: the bzr stuff is a plugin16:41
dutchiecan't remember how to teach it new things16:41
ubuntujenkinsok I will have a look, I taught the bot lots of new things but privatly but they don't work any ideas dutchie ?16:42
dutchielook on the wiki for the ubottu docs16:42
ubuntujenkinsthanks dutchie16:43
ubuntujenkins+hello17:02
quickshotdevWelcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay17:02
ubuntujenkinsyes fixed it o/17:02
dutchieour stay?17:03
ubuntujenkinsI know going to fix it ;/17:03
ubuntujenkins+hello17:08
quickshotdevsWelcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay17:08
ubuntujenkins+no hello is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay17:09
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded.17:09
ubuntujenkins+hello17:09
quickshotdevsWelcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay17:09
humphreybclol17:10
humphreybcso why so many bots?17:10
ubuntujenkinswell the revision feature is useful and for fun and learning :)17:10
ubuntujenkins+quickshot17:11
quickshotdevsubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.17:11
ubuntujenkinswhat?17:11
humphreybclol17:12
humphreybcfair enough17:12
humphreybcwe've pretty much got until the 14th may off till we crack back into work17:12
ubuntujenkinsI am not trying to dissrupt the channel i thought i had fixed it but.....17:13
humphreybchaha no go ahead17:13
humphreybcit's all good17:13
dutchielo humphreybc17:13
humphreybc?17:13
* humphreybc is still not down with the IRC lingo17:14
dutchiehello17:14
dutchie'lo17:14
humphreybci thought it was o/17:14
humphreybcdutchie: how's that bug reporting form going?17:15
dutchieerrrr17:15
dutchiei've been at oggcamp17:15
humphreybcyeah yeah i know ;)17:15
humphreybci might go to bed now17:17
dutchieI did think it was stupid o'clock for you kiwis17:17
humphreybci'm syncing myself to brussels time17:18
humphreybcnot really... i've just been staying up really late recently for no good reason17:18
jcisiohello17:23
jcisioI'm trying to compile vi version without success17:23
jcisiopo4a::tex: Can't read from file without having a filename  at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 229 make: *** [ubuntu-manual-vi.tex] Error 917:23
jcisiomay someone help me please?17:23
ubuntujenkinsjcisio: I have you i followed the text install instructions at the bottom of http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors17:27
jcisioyes I did all that17:31
jcisioI installed TeX Live 2009 with the 3 required package, ran the install-pkgs.sh17:32
jcisiobut I couldn't compile (quite familiar to TeX, but not to po4a)17:33
dutchiepo4a does that occasionally17:55
dutchieIt normally sorts itself out when the phase of the moon changes17:55
* dutchie shrugs17:55
dutchiedon't understand it, I'm afread17:56
dutchieafraid*17:56
ubuntujenkinshm not sure I haven't got it installed as i am trying to sort out packages that work17:58
jcisiomaybe the problem is that I'm on Lucid18:21
jcisioxindy is no longer available, and that the only error I got when running install-pkgs.sh18:21
ubuntujenkinsjcisio: you can't use the lucid packages, you have to download the TeX Live 2009 install script.18:23
jcisioyes, I did it18:23
ubuntujenkinsthen you should have xindy18:24
ubuntujenkinsit comes in the install script18:24
jcisioin fact I installed TeX Live 2009 in Lucid, but the install-pkgs.sh told that no TeX Live found!18:24
jcisioI removed all and run the install script for TeX Live18:24
dutchiedid you create symlinks?18:25
jcisioyes18:25
dutchiehmm18:25
ubuntujenkinshmm18:25
jcisiothe 4th options?18:25
jcisioanyone here compile it in Lucid?18:25
ubuntujenkinsI havn't got it installed as I along with godbyk are trying to work out what is missing from the ubuntu packages18:26
jcisioI'll reinstall my Ubuntu just to compile the manual, but I'm not sure which one to choose, 10.04 or 9.1018:26
ubuntujenkinsit should work in lucid there is no need for a reinstall18:26
jcisioI install TeX Live once with apt in Lucid, and twice with the install script, not a single success18:27
ubuntujenkinsdoes sudo tlmgr --gui give you a window?18:28
jcisio_oops, Colloguy works here18:28
jcisio2sec18:30
jcisiohmm, that's on a remote machine, and it seems that there is a free space problem so graphics doesn't work18:34
jcisiothank you, I'll check that18:34
ubuntujenkinsok18:35
ubuntujenkins+quickshot18:39
quickshotdevsQuickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects soon. It is written in Python and Glade for the user interface18:39
* ubuntujenkins YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS \o/ at last :-)18:39
dutchienice and short :)18:40
ubuntujenkinsits informative :)18:41
ubuntujenkinstbh i didn't write it18:41
TMKCodesQUESTION: Does CTRL+A+D detach too? i'm way used to it with screen19:11
ubuntujenkinsTMKCodes: what?19:11
TMKCodessorry wrong channel :p19:12
ubuntujenkinslol :p ubuntu open week19:13
dutchieTMKCodes: fwiw, that does work with byobu :)19:18
TMKCodes:P19:19
dutchienice to see humphreybc being as ambitious as ever :)20:40
bittinThe Swedish Ubuntu Loco now has a team of Swedish Ubuntu Manual Translators :)21:19
bittinso iam helping them21:19
ubuntujenkinsthats good bittin :)21:20
bittinsure is :)21:21
c7phello all21:29
ubuntujenkinshello c7p21:29
bittinhi21:30
ubuntujenkinsevening sebsebseb :-)21:38
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: heh heh yeah #ubuntu just high lighted you :D21:39
ubuntujenkinsyep :P21:39
sebsebsebwell I just did21:39
sebsebsebanyway I am a bit annoyeed since now I got to mess around with Grub 2 and to get plymouth working propelry21:39
sebsebsebsince it doesn't like the propritary Nivida driver21:39
ubuntujenkinshmm works well enough here21:40
* ubuntujenkins has taught quickshotdevs some usefull factoids21:41
sebsebsebubuntujenkins: depends on which driver you have if any for the card21:42
sebsebsebit's newer Nivida and ATI  that will get issues21:42
ubuntujenkinsI have nvidia-current, on an 2 year old card21:42
ChrisWoollardWhat is it with London.... I have no electricity so I am reliant of Candles, the battery in my laptop and a 3g card.21:43
ubuntujenkinsI have no idea. how much of london is out?21:44
ChrisWoollardIf my laptop would have no power i would have nothing to do.21:44
ubuntujenkinslol21:44
ChrisWoollardnot much. just a few houses in my area21:44
ubuntujenkinshave they said when they will fix it?21:46
ChrisWoollardI got a phone call earlier. They said they have given up for the evening and will continue tomorrow. :(21:47
ubuntujenkins:(21:48
ChrisWoollardAt least tomorrow at work I will have power.21:48
nailorawhen is the german translation of the manual scheduled to be released21:51
ChrisWoollardHas the meeting on thursday been confirmed?21:53
c7pi think so21:54
ubuntujenkinsChrisWoollard: yes it is thursday21:56
ChrisWoollardLovely. I will endeavour to make it21:58
ubuntujenkinsnailora: as soon as the layout is right. I am sure that godbyk is on it.21:59
nailoraubuntujenkins: whats the problem with the layout22:00
ubuntujenkinsnailora: I don't know the details but things like make sure the screenshots fit on the page. margin notes are not over two pages etc22:01
nailoraubuntujenkins: so there are good chances it is done until may 20th22:02
ubuntujenkinsnailora: I have no idea thats not my side of things I am afraid. sorry22:02
nailoraok thx22:03
c7pnailora: godbyk and a member of the German translation team will make sure that everything looks as it should and make the proper changes if needed e.g change the width of margin notes22:12
jcisiohello23:16
jcisioit's great, now I can compile ubuntu-manual-vi23:16
jcisiobut how to incorporate vi screenshot?23:17

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