[00:44] godbyk, godbyk-android http://flexpaper.devaldi.com/index.php [01:36] night all [03:43] hey guys [03:44] hey, humphreybc [03:44] what's new? [03:44] nothing here. I'm just emerging from my coma. :) [03:45] hehe [03:45] i've got an appointment with the bank at 10:30 am tomorrow...! [03:45] 10:30aM!!! [03:45] I guess I need to start packing soon, too [03:45] also, looks like thursday at 2000 UTC is going to work for a meeting [03:46] okay. [03:46] which means I have the UX meeting at midnight thur night, then UMP meeting at 8am the next day! [03:46] yeah, I was thinking the same. gonna have to figure out when to sleep. :) [03:47] haha [07:51] morning [08:00] +quickshot [08:00] ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [08:26] Wow.. we've sold 38 copies of the book now. [08:27] thats really good [08:32] Most of them are probably from our own team, but, hey. :) [08:32] Lol! we've got bots for china now [08:32] bots for china? [08:32] like, lots of bots [08:32] o i see [08:32] there's manualbot, quickshotbot and daker's bot [08:33] and Mootbot [08:33] lol [08:33] daker started me on the quickshotbot he was hand writting one but i cheated and got spybot and used that [08:33] lol [08:34] there's a meeting this thursday btw Luke [08:34] I may not be there i don't know yet. Waiting on an e-mail [08:35] I hope to be there :) [08:35] kk [08:35] how much time do you have right now luke? [08:35] not doing much might get some breakfast [08:35] which takes 5 mins [08:35] okay, when you come back we could have a skype call with godbyk [08:36] sure [08:40] right ready [08:50] humphreybc and godbyk skype? [08:51] godbyk's not here, he's disappeared. maybe having tea [08:52] hes on skype now he wasn't a moment ago [08:54] ok [08:54] hold up one sec [08:56] Ah, sorry. Back now. [08:59] okay [09:13] ubuntujenkins: your sound quality is shit [09:13] like, really shit [09:40] * ubuntujenkins looks at head sets [09:43] any recomendations godbyk or humphreybc ? [09:44] I just use some crappy old chinese one that cost me $10 [09:44] it sounds good [09:45] Here's the headset that I own: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826158069 [09:45] ok thanks [10:14] * ubuntujenkins bot is not remembering factoids each time it restarts [10:28] +quickshot [10:28] ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future. [10:29] +help [10:29] ubuntujenkins: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [10:29] how many bots are in here now and what are they each for? [10:30] am I going to have to create a bot just for answering latex questions now? ;-) [10:32] well manual bot does ubuntu factoids mootbot does meetings quickshotdevs is quickshot info and fun channel data [10:33] ChannelStats [10:33] +ChannelStats [10:33] ubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 57 messages, containing 2262 characters, 396 words, 2 smileys, and 1 frown; 1 of those messages was an ACTION. There have been 5 joins, 2 parts, 1 quit, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. [10:34] The bot rejoin recently? [10:34] Oh, so it did [10:35] also quickshotdevs should let us know of any posts made on the ubuntu-manual planet [10:35] godbyk: my favorite is the zen bot. it's not even here! [10:36] cool [10:37] no one has made a blog post yet for it to be tested [10:39] * dutchie is back from oggcamp [10:40] going to get to the point where there are more bots than people :) [10:40] hello dutchie how was it? [10:40] great fun [10:41] hopefully i might be able to make it next year [10:41] \o/ [10:43] dutchie: any idea how to remove the "ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be" from the start of the factoids? quickshotdevs is baised on supybot which is what ubot is baised on. [10:44] when you teach it a factoid, put in where you want the reply to start [10:44] so "!quickshot is A tool for taking localised screenshots" [10:45] ok thanks [10:45] you use + for quickshotdevs btw [10:45] didn't waant to trigger manualbot [10:45] probably a good plan [11:10] dutchie: how did you teach it the revisons thing? I would like to try +qs200 to return http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/200 . was there a plugin you used? [11:16] but i am too lazy to program each one [11:18] hiya fellow citizens [11:18] hello mandrew [11:18] how is it hanging [11:19] do you have good knowledge about UNE? [11:19] * ubuntujenkins does not sorry [11:20] np [11:20] whats you question anyway? [11:21] if it's possible to get a "proper" desktop environment in the UNE version of Ubuntu? [11:21] from the menus [11:21] or am i forced to log in and out to do that ' [11:22] im not really a fan of the DE in the UNE [11:22] I think you would have to log out, once you have installed it. I suggest asking #ubuntu [11:22] ^ [11:23] You can, but it requires a log in/out [11:23] i did and the answer i got there to what the log in log out tip [11:24] too* was* [11:24] you will not have to do it each time just choose it when you log in [11:26] nice nice [11:29] i just upgraded my msi wind u 160 with a 80gb ssd :D [11:32] it's super easy to do it though just pop up the keyboard then you can access the hdd and swoop it for a ssd no need to pop the whole thing open [11:33] you guys working on the 10.10 manual now? [11:34] Not quite yet. [11:34] mostly edition 2 of 10.04 at the moment [11:34] ok sweet [11:34] We'll start work on 10.10 in a few months (after they've had some time to get new stuff running). [11:34] any new things in the 10.04 release? [11:34] godbyk: were not going to retake the screencaps for edition 2 are we? [11:35] a video editor that i can't spell [11:35] ubuntujenkins: Good question. I don't know. We can probably keep the ones we have. [11:35] I hope so [11:35] mandrew: also gwibber [11:35] ubuntujenkins: I don't know if any need to be retaken or not. [11:35] I don't "think" they do [11:35] ubuntujenkins: Or if we'll add any. Depends on what extra sections of text get written. [11:35] mandrew: lots of new stuff planned for maverick tho ;) [11:36] * ubuntujenkins hopes humphreybc will give us the full inside story [11:36] are you guys going to do a K, X, L, E etc etc *buntu versions to? [11:37] Might be better for the distro maintainers to contribute spin specific parts? [11:37] nice humphreybc [11:37] in the long run yes we need more people who know about those distors mandrew [11:37] What parts of the manual need working on? [11:38] for Authors [11:38] ian__: We're going to have a meeting in a few days to pin that down. [11:38] ian__: ummm... we probably need editors more than authors right now, although pretty much the entire thing [11:38] but yeah, meeting on thursday at 2000 UTC [11:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings [11:38] I already made a couple of mods to the Security section and the CMD section [11:39] ian__: Great! You might hold on to those for just a bit longer. [11:39] humphreybc: I did tell ilya but i am not going to be writing for the next release. lots of quickshot stuff to do [11:39] I'm probably going to wipe out the e2 branch and create a fresh one without all the history/cruft. [11:39] man i got my UNE to start up on 14 sec :D with the ssd [11:39] Then we can start pulling in the edits. [11:39] I added notes concerning the use of sudo and that when typing in commands, EVERYTHING is CASE SESITIVE [11:39] SENSITIVE [11:39] mandrew: Nice! I wish I had an SSD. [11:40] expensive as hell [11:40] I am still as yet unsure how I would upload and what exactly. Im kinda new at this [11:41] i got a 80gb and it cost me an arm and a leg [11:41] mandrew, intel g2? [11:42] yup [11:42] good for my battery ;) [11:42] ;) [11:44] so is using a netbook [11:44] i must say i love the manual and the idea behind it ;) good work guys keep it up [11:45] mandrew: there is always room to help [11:46] I think I may write up something under CMD concerning permissions for advanced users [11:46] there sure is but im just a newbie so ill be helping with the translations instead [11:46] such as the use of chmod [11:47] along with several common *nix commands [11:47] lspci [11:48] How do you go about setting up a new section? like a new .tex? [11:49] ian__: um, for now i wouldn't :) [11:50] to be completely honest, most of the work in lucid e2 and maverick will be editing and _removing_ things, to make it less technical and bloated [11:50] ok, just thinking about making a section about advanced commands [11:50] hence why we need really good editors [11:50] heh [11:50] ok [11:50] well, remember the title is "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" - it's not meant to cover advanced commands. But the manual won't be the only thing the team is doing, it's just one "product" of ours [11:50] what sections need editing into layman's speak? [11:51] we will have space available in the future for advanced commands and stuff [11:51] um, we're not sure, we need to review it properly [11:51] hence the meeting on thursday [11:51] When the Manual is done, Im taking it to the local print shop and having them make a few to give to firends and people I introduce to ubuntu [11:52] we're still establishing goals and principles and getting footing as a team, as well as working out our workflow [11:52] ok, what time CST? [11:52] ian__: you can buy the book here http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559 [11:53] waow man ill buy a copy [11:54] ian__: not sure but if you go to the meetings page on our wiki, there is a link that takes you to the fixed world time for that time, then you can find your city and timezone [11:54] its not a hard back book? [11:54] I C about 2PM Tuesday eh? [11:54] CST [11:54] thursday [11:54] that sounds about right [11:54] here? [11:54] mandrew: "Perfect-bound Paperback" [11:54] nope, #ubuntu-meeting [11:55] ok [11:55] c u then [11:55] okay! [11:55] sounds good :) [11:55] nite [11:56] hmmm ubuntujenkins im not sure what that is, im not a native English speaker :( [11:57] mandrew: It's not hard-cover, it's paperback. [11:57] ok [11:57] mandrew: there is an image at the top http://www.lulu.com/uk/publish/books/?cid=publish_portal [11:57] mandrew: The hard-cover edition cost a lot more, so we didn't create one this time. [11:58] ok [12:02] damn a casewrap would be nice to have though but i do understand that you guys need to think about the price too [12:03] mandrew: The PDF is freely available, so you're allowed to take it and get a copy of it printed and bound using casewrap, if you like. [12:03] can i do that through lulu? [12:05] mandrew: Yes. [12:05] sweet [12:05] mandrew: Just a sec and I'll get you a link. [12:05] Actually, I'll just create it for you and give you a link to the hard-cover edition. It'll be faster. [12:06] ok [12:06] thanks [12:06] (Assuming it'll use the same paper size. If it doesn't, you'll have to give me a couple days to play with it.) [12:06] ok np [12:07] mandrew: It looks like the paper size for the casewrap version is a bit smaller. So let me look into it a bit more for you. [12:07] np [12:07] mandrew: Can you send an email to kevin@ubuntu-manual.org to so I can flag it and remember it? [12:08] sure [12:10] e-mail sent [12:10] thanks [12:11] i added a copy of our conversation in the mail to so you know what the hell it is lol [12:11] heh, good idea! [13:07] It's a very interesting diagram [13:07] I take it that your looking seriously into mixable sources and multiple publishing targets [13:08] pretty much :) [13:08] yeah, a bit of everything it seems. [13:09] I've just added ePub to humphreybc's radar, too. [13:09] doctormo: we're talking about all this during this week, and at our meeting on thursday. I have some mockups of some stuff too that I'm just finishing off, and then next week at UDS we can start into some serious discussion with the others [13:12] so doctormo, what do you reckon? Chat about it at UDS? [13:12] I think so [13:12] I don't know if you've seen my diagrams [13:12] Not sure, maybe? [13:12] But my thoughts run along the lines of: [13:13] I'm going to write up all of this stuff somewhere [13:13] * Get a simple, file level context annotation program in place [13:13] * Get the ability to edit a file in the gui and upload it to their own branch quickly. [13:13] * tie it into ground control, since the code is all there. [13:15] * Tie some publishing functions in. [13:15] That's about it [13:16] heh [13:16] at some point all this would involve the docs team [13:16] and they aint gonna like this :P [13:19] dutchie: how do i make the bot forget one or relearn it? [13:20] ubuntujenkins, dutchie, thorwil, check your @ubuntu-manual.org accounts [13:31] I dig it up its hiding from me at the moment [13:31] *I'll [13:40] ubuntujenkins: did you say that xindy was in one of the ubuntu packages? [13:40] godbyk: its in debian [13:40] you also need xindy-ruls [13:40] but not in ubuntu? [13:40] *rules [13:40] no not in ubuntu sinse 8.10 [13:40] 'kay. thanks [13:40] was going to test the texlive 2009 packages in ubuntu 10.04 and see if they happened to work these days. [13:41] but without xindy, I guess it's a no-go. [13:41] I have xindy in my ppa [13:42] I missed a texlive dependancy when i uploaded it all I haven't got around to fixing it [13:42] godbyk, do you want me to pester some people at UDS to see if we can get more stuff in the universe repo? [13:42] i haven't got xindy-rules yet hopefully that will build soon [13:43] humphreybc: that only helps people who run the latest version not people still on 9.10 etc. ppas of stuff in debian is easy [13:43] okay [13:44] I just responded to the the question with 'nope, you'll still need to download it from upstream.' [13:46] godbyk: do why know what else is missing apart form ccicons and xindy? [13:46] I have just done a clean install but am waiting to fix my ppa to see what is wrong with it [13:48] ubuntujenkins: I'm not sure yet. those are the two I've found so far. The xetex version may also be too old. lemme check that next. [13:49] ok I am happy to package up as much as i can to make it easier for people. [13:50] ubuntujenkins: I think it's an actual bug that the xindy stuff isn't included in the lucid repositories. [13:51] ubuntujenkins: they included makeglossaries, but that's a perl script that calls xindy (which is missing). [13:52] xindy failed to build when it was uploaded to anything above 8.10, it gets uploaded but fails. I got it to build ok [13:53] full a bug on launchpad i guess as its an ubuntu bug not debian as in debian its fine [13:53] *file [13:53] I'll do that. [13:53] Trying to figure out what to file against. [13:55] how hard is it to set up ssh into a server when you're not on the local network? [13:56] I have done it [13:56] oh yeah? [13:56] I assume you have physical acces to the ssh server [13:56] ubuntujenkins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-extra/+bug/574448 [13:56] Launchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New] [13:56] yeah I do [13:57] * ubuntujenkins chooses affects me [13:57] I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/574448 is a cleaner link. [13:57] Launchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New] [13:58] humphreybc: I am just trying to find the wiki page [13:58] so, who's going to upgrade to Maverick? [13:58] tempted [13:58] nothing will noticeably change for at least 3 weeks [14:00] I can't find the page i am looking for but this is good https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html [14:01] humphreybc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring this was the page i wanted [14:01] usefull for setting it up right [14:02] nea [14:02] neat* [14:02] i'll look into it [14:54] Hmm, my server just died [14:56] I think my flatmate might have bumped the router [15:20] hello [15:21] wassup ? [15:21] hello daker, not much really [15:22] +hello [15:22] daker: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. [15:22] hey daker [15:22] hhhhh [15:22] +help [15:22] daker: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [15:23] +hello [15:23] ubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. [15:24] +hello [15:24] ubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. [15:24] bot mania? [15:24] it should work [15:24] +quickshot [15:24] ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command. [15:25] +help is Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay [15:25] ubuntujenkins: Error: There is no command "is welcome to #ubuntumanual please enjoy our stay". [15:25] +hello is Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay [15:25] ubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded. [15:26] +hello [15:26] Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay [15:26] humphreybc: yesterday we were creating a bot for Quickshot [15:26] All these work in a private session with the bot i don't know why they don't work in the channel [15:27] I taught it lots of them ;/ [15:28] lol [15:28] my bot is really good :) [15:28] ChannelStats [15:28] +ChannelStats [15:28] ubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 323 messages, containing 14399 characters, 2648 words, 14 smileys, and 10 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 16 joins, 6 parts, 6 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. [15:29] now it will be 7 quits because i am leaving right now: ) [15:29] see you [15:29] bye [15:49] ubuntujenkins, Loughborough uni? [15:50] Custard: yep :-) [15:50] I have a few mates who go there ;) [15:50] They're... arch fans though [15:51] I only know one person who uses linux they are an ubuntu fan [15:51] other than me* [15:51] What course? I think they're on CS [15:52] I am on mechanical engineering [15:53] Ah. You guys might not see each other then [15:54] I guess not [15:55] +quickshot [15:55] ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command. [15:55] * ubuntujenkins aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh silly bot [16:09] ubuntujenkins: it's started :) [16:09] ubuntujenkins: Ubuntu Open Week [16:09] whats on? [16:10] ubuntujenkins: get in there already then :D [16:10] ubuntujenkins: #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat [16:33] QUESTION can humphreybc stop asking questions :-) [16:33] ;-) [16:33] hehehe [16:34] anyone would think you were keen [16:34] lol [16:41] ubuntujenkins: the bzr stuff is a plugin [16:41] can't remember how to teach it new things [16:42] ok I will have a look, I taught the bot lots of new things but privatly but they don't work any ideas dutchie ? [16:42] look on the wiki for the ubottu docs [16:43] thanks dutchie [17:02] +hello [17:02] Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay [17:02] yes fixed it o/ [17:03] our stay? [17:03] I know going to fix it ;/ [17:08] +hello [17:08] Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay [17:09] +no hello is Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay [17:09] ubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded. [17:09] +hello [17:09] Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay [17:10] lol [17:10] so why so many bots? [17:10] well the revision feature is useful and for fun and learning :) [17:11] +quickshot [17:11] ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command. [17:11] what? [17:12] lol [17:12] fair enough [17:12] we've pretty much got until the 14th may off till we crack back into work [17:13] I am not trying to dissrupt the channel i thought i had fixed it but..... [17:13] haha no go ahead [17:13] it's all good [17:13] lo humphreybc [17:13] ? [17:14] * humphreybc is still not down with the IRC lingo [17:14] hello [17:14] 'lo [17:14] i thought it was o/ [17:15] dutchie: how's that bug reporting form going? [17:15] errrr [17:15] i've been at oggcamp [17:15] yeah yeah i know ;) [17:17] i might go to bed now [17:17] I did think it was stupid o'clock for you kiwis [17:18] i'm syncing myself to brussels time [17:18] not really... i've just been staying up really late recently for no good reason [17:23] hello [17:23] I'm trying to compile vi version without success [17:23] po4a::tex: Can't read from file without having a filename at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 229 make: *** [ubuntu-manual-vi.tex] Error 9 [17:23] may someone help me please? [17:27] jcisio: I have you i followed the text install instructions at the bottom of http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors [17:31] yes I did all that [17:32] I installed TeX Live 2009 with the 3 required package, ran the install-pkgs.sh [17:33] but I couldn't compile (quite familiar to TeX, but not to po4a) [17:55] po4a does that occasionally [17:55]