[00:44] <daker> godbyk, godbyk-android http://flexpaper.devaldi.com/index.php
[01:36] <daker> night all
[03:43] <humphreybc> hey guys
[03:44] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc
[03:44] <humphreybc> what's new?
[03:44] <godbyk> nothing here. I'm just emerging from my coma. :)
[03:45] <humphreybc> hehe
[03:45] <humphreybc> i've got an appointment with the bank at 10:30 am tomorrow...!
[03:45] <humphreybc> 10:30aM!!!
[03:45] <humphreybc> I guess I need to start packing soon, too
[03:45] <humphreybc> also, looks like thursday at 2000 UTC is going to work for a meeting
[03:46] <godbyk> okay.
[03:46] <humphreybc> which means I have the UX meeting at midnight thur night, then UMP meeting at 8am the next day!
[03:46] <godbyk> yeah, I was thinking the same. gonna have to figure out when to sleep. :)
[03:47] <humphreybc> haha
[07:51] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[08:00] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[08:00] <quickshotbot> ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future.
[08:26] <godbyk> Wow.. we've sold 38 copies of the book now.
[08:27] <ubuntujenkins> thats really good
[08:32] <godbyk> Most of them are probably from our own team, but, hey. :)
[08:32] <humphreybc> Lol! we've got bots for china now
[08:32] <ubuntujenkins> bots for china?
[08:32] <humphreybc> like, lots of bots
[08:32] <ubuntujenkins> o i see
[08:32] <humphreybc> there's manualbot, quickshotbot and daker's bot
[08:33] <ubuntujenkins> and Mootbot
[08:33] <humphreybc> lol
[08:33] <ubuntujenkins> daker started me on the quickshotbot he was hand writting one but i cheated and got spybot and used that
[08:33] <humphreybc> lol
[08:34] <humphreybc> there's a meeting this thursday btw Luke
[08:34] <ubuntujenkins> I may not be there i don't know yet. Waiting on an e-mail
[08:35] <ubuntujenkins> I hope to be there :)
[08:35] <humphreybc> kk
[08:35] <humphreybc> how much time do you have right now luke?
[08:35] <ubuntujenkins> not doing much might get some breakfast
[08:35] <ubuntujenkins> which takes 5 mins
[08:35] <humphreybc> okay, when you come back we could have a skype call with godbyk
[08:36] <ubuntujenkins> sure
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> right ready
[08:50] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc and godbyk skype?
[08:51] <humphreybc> godbyk's not here, he's disappeared. maybe having tea
[08:52] <ubuntujenkins> hes on skype now he wasn't a moment ago
[08:54] <humphreybc> ok
[08:54] <humphreybc> hold up one sec
[08:56] <godbyk> Ah, sorry. Back now.
[08:59] <humphreybc> okay
[09:13] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: your sound quality is shit
[09:13] <humphreybc> like, really shit
[09:40]  * ubuntujenkins looks at head sets
[09:43] <ubuntujenkins> any recomendations godbyk or humphreybc ?
[09:44] <humphreybc> I just use some crappy old chinese one that cost me $10
[09:44] <humphreybc> it sounds good
[09:45] <godbyk> Here's the headset that I own: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826158069
[09:45] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks
[10:14]  * ubuntujenkins bot is not remembering factoids each time it restarts
[10:28] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[10:28] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects in the near future.
[10:29] <ubuntujenkins> +help
[10:29] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[10:29] <godbyk> how many bots are in here now and what are they each for?
[10:30] <godbyk> am I going to have to create a bot just for answering latex questions now? ;-)
[10:32] <ubuntujenkins> well manual bot does ubuntu factoids mootbot does meetings quickshotdevs is quickshot info and fun channel data
[10:33] <ubuntujenkins> ChannelStats
[10:33] <ubuntujenkins> +ChannelStats
[10:33] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 57 messages, containing 2262 characters, 396 words, 2 smileys, and 1 frown; 1 of those messages was an ACTION.  There have been 5 joins, 2 parts, 1 quit, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[10:34] <Custard> The bot rejoin recently?
[10:34] <Custard> Oh, so it did
[10:35] <ubuntujenkins> also quickshotdevs should let us know of any posts made on the ubuntu-manual planet
[10:35] <thorwil> godbyk: my favorite is the zen bot. it's not even here!
[10:36] <godbyk> cool
[10:37] <ubuntujenkins> no one has made a blog post yet for it to be tested
[10:39]  * dutchie is back from oggcamp
[10:40] <dutchie> going to get to the point where there are more bots than people :)
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins> hello dutchie how was it?
[10:40] <dutchie> great fun
[10:41] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully i might be able to make it next year
[10:41] <dutchie> \o/
[10:43] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: any idea how to remove the "ubuntujenkins: "quickshot" could be" from the start of the factoids? quickshotdevs is baised on supybot which is what ubot is baised on.
[10:44] <dutchie> when you teach it a factoid, put <reply> in where you want the reply to start
[10:44] <dutchie> so "!quickshot is <reply> A tool for taking localised screenshots"
[10:45] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks
[10:45] <ubuntujenkins> you use + for quickshotdevs btw
[10:45] <ubuntujenkins> didn't waant to trigger manualbot
[10:45] <dutchie> probably a good plan
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: how did you teach it the revisons thing? I would like to try +qs200 to return http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/200 . was there a plugin you used?
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> but i am too lazy to program each one
[11:18] <mandrew> hiya fellow citizens
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> hello mandrew
[11:18] <mandrew> how is it hanging
[11:19] <mandrew> do you have good knowledge about UNE?
[11:19]  * ubuntujenkins does not sorry
[11:20] <mandrew> np
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> whats you question anyway?
[11:21] <mandrew> if it's possible to get a "proper" desktop environment in the UNE version of Ubuntu?
[11:21] <mandrew> from the menus
[11:21] <mandrew> or am i forced to log in and out to do that '
[11:22] <mandrew> im not really a fan of the DE in the UNE
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> I think you would have to log out, once you have installed it. I suggest asking #ubuntu
[11:22] <Custard> ^
[11:23] <Custard> You can, but it requires a log in/out
[11:23] <mandrew> i did and the answer i got there to what the log in log out tip
[11:24] <mandrew> too*  was*
[11:24] <ubuntujenkins> you will not have to do it each time just choose it when you log in
[11:26] <mandrew> nice nice
[11:29] <mandrew> i just upgraded my msi wind u 160 with a 80gb ssd :D
[11:32] <mandrew> it's super easy to do it though just pop up the keyboard then you can access the hdd and swoop it for a ssd no need to pop the whole thing open
[11:33] <mandrew> you guys working on the 10.10 manual now?
[11:34] <godbyk> Not quite yet.
[11:34] <ubuntujenkins> mostly edition 2 of 10.04 at the moment
[11:34] <mandrew> ok sweet
[11:34] <godbyk> We'll start work on 10.10 in a few months (after they've had some time to get new stuff running).
[11:34] <mandrew> any new things in the 10.04 release?
[11:34] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: were not going to retake the screencaps for edition 2 are we?
[11:35] <ubuntujenkins> a video editor that i can't spell
[11:35] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Good question. I don't know.  We can probably keep the ones we have.
[11:35] <ubuntujenkins> I hope so
[11:35] <ubuntujenkins> mandrew: also gwibber
[11:35] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I don't know if any need to be retaken or not.
[11:35] <ubuntujenkins> I don't "think" they do
[11:35] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Or if we'll add any.  Depends on what extra sections of text get written.
[11:35] <humphreybc> mandrew: lots of new stuff planned for maverick tho ;)
[11:36]  * ubuntujenkins hopes humphreybc will give us the full inside story
[11:36] <mandrew> are you guys going to do a K, X, L, E etc etc *buntu versions to?
[11:37] <Custard> Might be better for the distro maintainers to contribute spin specific parts?
[11:37] <mandrew> nice humphreybc
[11:37] <ubuntujenkins> in the long run yes we need more people who know about those distors mandrew
[11:37] <ian__> What parts of the manual need working on?
[11:38] <ian__> for Authors
[11:38] <godbyk> ian__: We're going to have a meeting in a few days to pin that down.
[11:38] <humphreybc> ian__: ummm... we probably need editors more than authors right now, although pretty much the entire thing
[11:38] <humphreybc> but yeah, meeting on thursday at 2000 UTC
[11:38] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[11:38] <ian__> I already made a couple of mods to the Security section and the CMD section
[11:39] <godbyk> ian__: Great! You might hold on to those for just a bit longer.
[11:39] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I did tell ilya but i am not going to be writing for the next release. lots of quickshot stuff to do
[11:39] <godbyk> I'm probably going to wipe out the e2 branch and create a fresh one without all the history/cruft.
[11:39] <mandrew> man i got my UNE to start up on 14 sec :D with the ssd
[11:39] <godbyk> Then we can start pulling in the edits.
[11:39] <ian__> I added notes concerning the use of sudo and that when typing in commands, EVERYTHING is CASE SESITIVE
[11:39] <ian__> SENSITIVE
[11:39] <godbyk> mandrew: Nice!  I wish I had an SSD.
[11:40] <mandrew> expensive as hell
[11:40] <ian__> I am still as yet unsure how I would upload and what exactly. Im kinda new at this
[11:41] <mandrew> i got a 80gb and it cost me an arm and a leg
[11:41] <Custard> mandrew, intel g2?
[11:42] <mandrew> yup
[11:42] <mandrew> good for my battery ;)
[11:42] <Custard> ;)
[11:44] <ian__> so is using a netbook
[11:44] <mandrew> i must say i love the manual and the idea behind it ;) good work guys keep it up
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> mandrew: there is always room to help
[11:46] <ian__> I think I may write up something under CMD concerning permissions for advanced users
[11:46] <mandrew> there sure is but im just a newbie so ill be helping with the translations instead
[11:46] <ian__> such as the use of chmod
[11:47] <ian__> along with several common *nix commands
[11:47] <ian__> lspci
[11:48] <ian__> How do you go about setting up a new section? like a new .tex?
[11:49] <humphreybc> ian__: um, for now i wouldn't :)
[11:50] <humphreybc> to be completely honest, most of the work in lucid e2 and maverick will be editing and _removing_ things, to make it less technical and bloated
[11:50] <ian__> ok, just thinking about making a section about advanced commands
[11:50] <humphreybc> hence why we need really good editors
[11:50] <humphreybc> heh
[11:50] <ian__> ok
[11:50] <humphreybc> well, remember the title is "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" - it's not meant to cover advanced commands. But the manual won't be the only thing the team is doing, it's just one "product" of ours
[11:50] <ian__> what sections need editing into layman's speak?
[11:51] <humphreybc> we will have space available in the future for advanced commands and stuff
[11:51] <humphreybc> um, we're not sure, we need to review it properly
[11:51] <humphreybc> hence the meeting on thursday
[11:51] <ian__> When the Manual is done, Im taking it to the local print shop and having them make a few to give to firends and people I introduce to ubuntu
[11:52] <humphreybc> we're still establishing goals and principles and getting footing as a team, as well as working out our workflow
[11:52] <ian__> ok, what time CST?
[11:52] <ubuntujenkins> ian__: you can buy the book here http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559
[11:53] <mandrew> waow man ill buy a copy
[11:54] <humphreybc> ian__: not sure but if you go to the meetings page on our wiki, there is a link that takes you to the fixed world time for that time, then you can find your city and timezone
[11:54] <mandrew> its not a hard back book?
[11:54] <ian__> I C about 2PM Tuesday eh?
[11:54] <ian__> CST
[11:54] <ian__> thursday
[11:54] <humphreybc> that sounds about right
[11:54] <ian__> here?
[11:54] <ubuntujenkins> mandrew: "Perfect-bound Paperback"
[11:54] <humphreybc> nope, #ubuntu-meeting
[11:55] <ian__> ok
[11:55] <ian__> c u then
[11:55] <humphreybc> okay!
[11:55] <humphreybc> sounds good :)
[11:55] <ian__> nite
[11:56] <mandrew> hmmm ubuntujenkins im not sure what that is, im not a native English speaker :(
[11:57] <godbyk> mandrew: It's not hard-cover, it's paperback.
[11:57] <mandrew> ok
[11:57] <ubuntujenkins> mandrew: there is an image at the top http://www.lulu.com/uk/publish/books/?cid=publish_portal
[11:57] <godbyk> mandrew: The hard-cover edition cost a lot more, so we didn't create one this time.
[11:58] <mandrew> ok
[12:02] <mandrew> damn a casewrap would be nice to have though but i do understand that you guys need to think about the price too
[12:03] <godbyk> mandrew: The PDF is freely available, so you're allowed to take it and get a copy of it printed and bound using casewrap, if you like.
[12:03] <mandrew> can i do that through lulu?
[12:05] <godbyk> mandrew: Yes.
[12:05] <mandrew> sweet
[12:05] <godbyk> mandrew: Just a sec and I'll get you a link.
[12:05] <godbyk> Actually, I'll just create it for you and give you a link to the hard-cover edition. It'll be faster.
[12:06] <mandrew> ok
[12:06] <mandrew> thanks
[12:06] <godbyk> (Assuming it'll use the same paper size.  If it doesn't, you'll have to give me a couple days to play with it.)
[12:06] <mandrew> ok np
[12:07] <godbyk> mandrew: It looks like the paper size for the casewrap version is a bit smaller.  So let me look into it a bit more for you.
[12:07] <mandrew> np
[12:07] <godbyk> mandrew: Can you send an email to kevin@ubuntu-manual.org to so I can flag it and remember it?
[12:08] <mandrew> sure
[12:10] <mandrew> e-mail sent
[12:10] <godbyk> thanks
[12:11] <mandrew> i added a copy of our conversation in the mail to so you know what the hell it is lol
[12:11] <godbyk> heh, good idea!
[13:07] <doctormo> It's a very interesting diagram
[13:07] <doctormo> I take it that your looking seriously into mixable sources and multiple publishing targets
[13:08] <humphreybc> pretty much :)
[13:08] <godbyk> yeah, a bit of everything it seems.
[13:09] <godbyk> I've just added ePub to humphreybc's radar, too.
[13:09] <humphreybc> doctormo: we're talking about all this during this week, and at our meeting on thursday. I have some mockups of some stuff too that I'm just finishing off, and then next week at UDS we can start into some serious discussion with the others
[13:12] <humphreybc> so doctormo, what do you reckon? Chat about it at UDS?
[13:12] <doctormo> I think so
[13:12] <doctormo> I don't know if you've seen my diagrams
[13:12] <humphreybc> Not sure, maybe?
[13:12] <doctormo> But my thoughts run along the lines of:
[13:13] <humphreybc> I'm going to write up all of this stuff somewhere
[13:13] <doctormo> * Get a simple, file level context annotation program in place
[13:13] <doctormo> * Get the ability to edit a file in the gui and upload it to their own branch quickly.
[13:13] <doctormo> * tie it into ground control, since the code is all there.
[13:15] <doctormo> * Tie some publishing functions in.
[13:15] <doctormo> That's about it
[13:16] <humphreybc> heh
[13:16] <humphreybc> at some point all this would involve the docs team
[13:16] <humphreybc> and they aint gonna like this :P
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: how do i make the bot forget one or relearn it?
[13:20] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins, dutchie, thorwil, check your @ubuntu-manual.org accounts
[13:31] <ubuntujenkins> I dig it up its hiding from me at the moment
[13:31] <ubuntujenkins> *I'll
[13:40] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: did you say that xindy was in one of the ubuntu packages?
[13:40] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: its in debian
[13:40] <ubuntujenkins> you also need xindy-ruls
[13:40] <godbyk> but not in ubuntu?
[13:40] <ubuntujenkins> *rules
[13:40] <ubuntujenkins> no not in ubuntu sinse 8.10
[13:40] <godbyk> 'kay. thanks
[13:40] <godbyk> was going to test the texlive 2009 packages in ubuntu 10.04 and see if they happened to work these days.
[13:41] <godbyk> but without xindy, I guess it's a no-go.
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> I have xindy in my ppa
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> I missed a texlive dependancy when i uploaded it all I haven't got around to fixing it
[13:42] <humphreybc> godbyk, do you want me to pester some people at UDS to see if we can get more stuff in the universe repo?
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> i haven't got xindy-rules yet hopefully that will build soon
[13:43] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: that only helps people who run the latest version not people still on 9.10 etc. ppas of stuff in debian is easy
[13:43] <humphreybc> okay
[13:44] <godbyk> I just responded to the the question with 'nope, you'll still need to download it from upstream.'
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: do why know what else is missing apart form ccicons and xindy?
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> I have just done a clean install but am waiting to fix my ppa to see what is wrong with it
[13:48] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm not sure yet. those are the two I've found so far.  The xetex version may also be too old. lemme check that next.
[13:49] <ubuntujenkins> ok I am happy to package up as much as i can to make it easier for people.
[13:50] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I think it's an actual bug that the xindy stuff isn't included in the lucid repositories.
[13:51] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: they included makeglossaries, but that's a perl script that calls xindy (which is missing).
[13:52] <ubuntujenkins> xindy failed to build when it was uploaded to anything above 8.10, it gets uploaded but fails. I got it to build ok
[13:53] <ubuntujenkins> full a bug on launchpad i guess as its an ubuntu bug not debian as in debian its fine
[13:53] <ubuntujenkins> *file
[13:53] <godbyk> I'll do that.
[13:53] <godbyk> Trying to figure out what to file against.
[13:55] <humphreybc> how hard is it to set up ssh into a server when you're not on the local network?
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> I have done it
[13:56] <humphreybc> oh yeah?
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> I assume you have physical acces to the ssh server
[13:56] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-extra/+bug/574448
[13:56] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New]
[13:56] <humphreybc> yeah I do
[13:57]  * ubuntujenkins chooses affects me
[13:57] <godbyk> I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/574448 is a cleaner link.
[13:57] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 574448 in texlive-extra "xindy has not been packaged" [Undecided,New]
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I am just trying to find the wiki page
[13:58] <humphreybc> so, who's going to upgrade to Maverick?
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> tempted
[13:58] <humphreybc> nothing will noticeably change for at least 3 weeks
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> I can't find the page i am looking for but this is good https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[14:01] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring this was the page i wanted
[14:01] <ubuntujenkins> usefull for setting it up right
[14:02] <humphreybc> nea
[14:02] <humphreybc> neat*
[14:02] <humphreybc> i'll look into it
[14:54] <humphreybc> Hmm, my server just died
[14:56] <humphreybc> I think my flatmate might have bumped the router
[15:20] <daker> hello
[15:21] <daker> wassup ?
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker, not much really
[15:22] <daker> +hello
[15:22] <quickshotdevs> daker: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.
[15:22] <humphreybc> hey daker
[15:22] <daker> hhhhh
[15:22] <daker> +help
[15:22] <quickshotdevs> daker: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[15:23] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[15:24] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.
[15:24] <humphreybc> bot mania?
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> it should work
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[15:24] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> +help is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay
[15:25] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: There is no command "is <reply> welcome to #ubuntumanual please enjoy our stay".
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> +hello is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay
[15:25] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded.
[15:26] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[15:26] <quickshotdevs> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay
[15:26] <daker> humphreybc: yesterday we were creating a bot for Quickshot
[15:26] <ubuntujenkins> All these work in a private session with the bot i don't know why they don't work in the channel
[15:27] <ubuntujenkins> I taught it lots of them ;/
[15:28] <daker> lol
[15:28] <daker> my bot is really good :)
[15:28] <ubuntujenkins> ChannelStats
[15:28] <ubuntujenkins> +ChannelStats
[15:28] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: On #ubuntu-manual there have been 323 messages, containing 14399 characters, 2648 words, 14 smileys, and 10 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 16 joins, 6 parts, 6 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[15:29] <daker> now it will be 7 quits because i am leaving right now: )
[15:29] <daker> see you
[15:29] <ubuntujenkins> bye
[15:49] <Custard> ubuntujenkins, Loughborough uni?
[15:50] <ubuntujenkins> Custard: yep :-)
[15:50] <Custard> I have a few mates who go there ;)
[15:50] <Custard> They're... arch fans though
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> I only know one person who uses linux they are an ubuntu fan
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> other than me*
[15:51] <Custard> What course? I think they're on CS
[15:52] <ubuntujenkins> I am on mechanical engineering
[15:53] <Custard> Ah. You guys might not see each other then
[15:54] <ubuntujenkins> I guess not
[15:55] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[15:55] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.
[15:55]  * ubuntujenkins aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh silly bot
[16:09] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: it's started :)
[16:09] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: Ubuntu Open Week
[16:09] <ubuntujenkins> whats on?
[16:10] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: get in there already then :D
[16:10] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[16:33] <ubuntujenkins> QUESTION can humphreybc stop asking questions :-)
[16:33] <ubuntujenkins> ;-)
[16:33] <humphreybc> hehehe
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> anyone would think you were keen
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[16:41] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: the bzr stuff is a plugin
[16:41] <dutchie> can't remember how to teach it new things
[16:42] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will have a look, I taught the bot lots of new things but privatly but they don't work any ideas dutchie ?
[16:42] <dutchie> look on the wiki for the ubottu docs
[16:43] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[17:02] <quickshotdev> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> yes fixed it o/
[17:03] <dutchie> our stay?
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> I know going to fix it ;/
[17:08] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[17:08] <quickshotdevs> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy our stay
[17:09] <ubuntujenkins> +no hello is <reply> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay
[17:09] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: The operation succeeded.
[17:09] <ubuntujenkins> +hello
[17:09] <quickshotdevs> Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay
[17:10] <humphreybc> lol
[17:10] <humphreybc> so why so many bots?
[17:10] <ubuntujenkins> well the revision feature is useful and for fun and learning :)
[17:11] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[17:11] <quickshotdevs> ubuntujenkins: Error: "quickshot" is not a valid command.
[17:11] <ubuntujenkins> what?
[17:12] <humphreybc> lol
[17:12] <humphreybc> fair enough
[17:12] <humphreybc> we've pretty much got until the 14th may off till we crack back into work
[17:13] <ubuntujenkins> I am not trying to dissrupt the channel i thought i had fixed it but.....
[17:13] <humphreybc> haha no go ahead
[17:13] <humphreybc> it's all good
[17:13] <dutchie> lo humphreybc
[17:13] <humphreybc> ?
[17:14]  * humphreybc is still not down with the IRC lingo
[17:14] <dutchie> hello
[17:14] <dutchie> 'lo
[17:14] <humphreybc> i thought it was o/
[17:15] <humphreybc> dutchie: how's that bug reporting form going?
[17:15] <dutchie> errrr
[17:15] <dutchie> i've been at oggcamp
[17:15] <humphreybc> yeah yeah i know ;)
[17:17] <humphreybc> i might go to bed now
[17:17] <dutchie> I did think it was stupid o'clock for you kiwis
[17:18] <humphreybc> i'm syncing myself to brussels time
[17:18] <humphreybc> not really... i've just been staying up really late recently for no good reason
[17:23] <jcisio> hello
[17:23] <jcisio> I'm trying to compile vi version without success
[17:23] <jcisio> po4a::tex: Can't read from file without having a filename  at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 229 make: *** [ubuntu-manual-vi.tex] Error 9
[17:23] <jcisio> may someone help me please?
[17:27] <ubuntujenkins> jcisio: I have you i followed the text install instructions at the bottom of http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[17:31] <jcisio> yes I did all that
[17:32] <jcisio> I installed TeX Live 2009 with the 3 required package, ran the install-pkgs.sh
[17:33] <jcisio> but I couldn't compile (quite familiar to TeX, but not to po4a)
[17:55] <dutchie> po4a does that occasionally
[17:55] <dutchie> It normally sorts itself out when the phase of the moon changes
[17:55]  * dutchie shrugs
[17:56] <dutchie> don't understand it, I'm afread
[17:56] <dutchie> afraid*
[17:58] <ubuntujenkins> hm not sure I haven't got it installed as i am trying to sort out packages that work
[18:21] <jcisio> maybe the problem is that I'm on Lucid
[18:21] <jcisio> xindy is no longer available, and that the only error I got when running install-pkgs.sh
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> jcisio: you can't use the lucid packages, you have to download the TeX Live 2009 install script.
[18:23] <jcisio> yes, I did it
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> then you should have xindy
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> it comes in the install script
[18:24] <jcisio> in fact I installed TeX Live 2009 in Lucid, but the install-pkgs.sh told that no TeX Live found!
[18:24] <jcisio> I removed all and run the install script for TeX Live
[18:25] <dutchie> did you create symlinks?
[18:25] <jcisio> yes
[18:25] <dutchie> hmm
[18:25] <ubuntujenkins> hmm
[18:25] <jcisio> the 4th options?
[18:25] <jcisio> anyone here compile it in Lucid?
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> I havn't got it installed as I along with godbyk are trying to work out what is missing from the ubuntu packages
[18:26] <jcisio> I'll reinstall my Ubuntu just to compile the manual, but I'm not sure which one to choose, 10.04 or 9.10
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> it should work in lucid there is no need for a reinstall
[18:27] <jcisio> I install TeX Live once with apt in Lucid, and twice with the install script, not a single success
[18:28] <ubuntujenkins> does sudo tlmgr --gui give you a window?
[18:28] <jcisio_> oops, Colloguy works here
[18:30] <jcisio> 2sec
[18:34] <jcisio> hmm, that's on a remote machine, and it seems that there is a free space problem so graphics doesn't work
[18:34] <jcisio> thank you, I'll check that
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> ok
[18:39] <ubuntujenkins> +quickshot
[18:39] <quickshotdevs> Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process. Its principal use is with the Ubuntu Manual Project but it will also support configuration and customization for other projects soon. It is written in Python and Glade for the user interface
[18:39]  * ubuntujenkins YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS \o/ at last :-)
[18:40] <dutchie> nice and short :)
[18:41] <ubuntujenkins> its informative :)
[18:41] <ubuntujenkins> tbh i didn't write it
[19:11] <TMKCodes> QUESTION: Does CTRL+A+D detach too? i'm way used to it with screen
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> TMKCodes: what?
[19:12] <TMKCodes> sorry wrong channel :p
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> lol :p ubuntu open week
[19:18] <dutchie> TMKCodes: fwiw, that does work with byobu :)
[19:19] <TMKCodes> :P
[20:40] <dutchie> nice to see humphreybc being as ambitious as ever :)
[21:19] <bittin> The Swedish Ubuntu Loco now has a team of Swedish Ubuntu Manual Translators :)
[21:19] <bittin> so iam helping them
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> thats good bittin :)
[21:21] <bittin> sure is :)
[21:29] <c7p> hello all
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> hello c7p
[21:30] <bittin> hi
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> evening sebsebseb :-)
[21:39] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: heh heh yeah #ubuntu just high lighted you :D
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> yep :P
[21:39] <sebsebseb> well I just did
[21:39] <sebsebseb> anyway I am a bit annoyeed since now I got to mess around with Grub 2 and to get plymouth working propelry
[21:39] <sebsebseb> since it doesn't like the propritary Nivida driver
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> hmm works well enough here
[21:41]  * ubuntujenkins has taught quickshotdevs some usefull factoids
[21:42] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: depends on which driver you have if any for the card
[21:42] <sebsebseb> it's newer Nivida and ATI  that will get issues
[21:42] <ubuntujenkins> I have nvidia-current, on an 2 year old card
[21:43] <ChrisWoollard> What is it with London.... I have no electricity so I am reliant of Candles, the battery in my laptop and a 3g card.
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> I have no idea. how much of london is out?
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> If my laptop would have no power i would have nothing to do.
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> not much. just a few houses in my area
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> have they said when they will fix it?
[21:47] <ChrisWoollard> I got a phone call earlier. They said they have given up for the evening and will continue tomorrow. :(
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> :(
[21:48] <ChrisWoollard> At least tomorrow at work I will have power.
[21:51] <nailora> when is the german translation of the manual scheduled to be released
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> Has the meeting on thursday been confirmed?
[21:54] <c7p> i think so
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: yes it is thursday
[21:58] <ChrisWoollard> Lovely. I will endeavour to make it
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> nailora: as soon as the layout is right. I am sure that godbyk is on it.
[22:00] <nailora> ubuntujenkins: whats the problem with the layout
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> nailora: I don't know the details but things like make sure the screenshots fit on the page. margin notes are not over two pages etc
[22:02] <nailora> ubuntujenkins: so there are good chances it is done until may 20th
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> nailora: I have no idea thats not my side of things I am afraid. sorry
[22:03] <nailora> ok thx
[22:12] <c7p> nailora: godbyk and a member of the German translation team will make sure that everything looks as it should and make the proper changes if needed e.g change the width of margin notes
[23:16] <jcisio> hello
[23:16] <jcisio> it's great, now I can compile ubuntu-manual-vi
[23:17] <jcisio> but how to incorporate vi screenshot?