[01:00] LinuxGuy2009 called the ops in #ubuntu (meowbuntu) [07:17] good morning [07:55] oooh lookee, its a Madpilot :D [07:55] hey jussi [07:55] been a while - was away in Hawaii for a week, among other things [07:55] Madpilot: hows flying going? when are you coming over to teach me? [07:55] :D [07:56] not currently flying much at all, actually... long story. Still want to, but you know that line about real life being what happens while you make other plans? That. [07:57] yeah... I hear you... Im guessing $$... ;) [07:57] that too [07:58] so I was drinking beer in the Hawaiian warmth on release day - how insane was #ubuntu? [07:58] mad... but -r-p was madder [07:59] Madpilot: We hit 2120 in #u, and 1519 in -r-p [08:00] but still, -r-p was worse... [08:00] is that the first time we've broken 2k in #u? [08:00] I think so [08:00] yeah [08:01] nice [09:33] 2120 is more than we've had by about 300 or 400 i believe. karmic didn't increase much over the previous release by the reports i heard. [10:13] elky: 1980 was last record, said someone [10:20] i thought it was around 1800 last time. [11:13] nice post from rww: http://rww.dreamwidth.org/6196.html [12:47] Morning [12:47] Why does xchat-gnome have auto accept dcc enabled default? [12:48] crazy [12:48] stupid irc clients that auto accept dcc [12:48] File a bug? [12:48] I think I did a couple years back [12:48] I have bigger issues right now [12:48] Xorg is not playing nice on 10.04 amd64 [13:39] xchat-gnome does not auto-accept dccs by default btw [13:39] (if my memory serves) [13:50] xchat gnome is, if my memory serves, hard in terms of changing port numbres [14:00] you use foo.com:#### in the network settings [14:00] not gnomey, but not alchemy either [14:01] not newbie friendly either. [14:02] with normal xchat, it's at least obvious with every config what the port is. [14:03] unless xchat-gnome has like improved lots since the last time i tried it and dissolved in to fits of rage within minutes. [14:07] no idea [14:08] it certainly doesn't have all the options visible that xchat does :) [14:09] anyway, that's how you define a port [14:09] must be a topyli's dream [14:09] i don't dream of irc clients very often, but i do use xchat-gnome :) [14:10] topyli: Then you aren't using irc enough [14:10] Pici, either that, or he's not really an IRCCer [14:13] i'm actually a proxy for drderek [14:14] topyli, you do realise we now need to exorcise you, right? [14:15] i was sort of hoping it would not come out this quickly :( [14:16] hrm...I need to find someone with a mac... [14:38] jussi: ? [14:38] jrib: I deleted OSX of my macbook and forgot an important peice of firmware... [14:39] jussi: the cam? [14:39] yup [14:39] jussi: I have whatever the version before the latest OS X was on my macbook, want that? [14:39] jrib: yes please [14:40] pirates! [14:40] yarr [14:58] apw, how may we help you [14:59] just as a heads up, this was pointed out to me: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24687/ [15:02] oo [15:04] jussi what is the IRCC position on that idea? [15:04] if any at this time [15:05] IdleOne: there currently isnt one. we havent discussed it. [15:06] It seems to me that it would make sense to use the main #ubuntu channel for the first year of the LTS, as normal releases would be supported there for longer than that. That would save having discussion about 2 releases that are 2 years apart in the same channel [15:06] Alternatively release-specific channels like #ubuntu-hardy and #ubuntu-lucid, perhaps [15:07] I don't like it. [15:07] Nor I [15:07] I have mixed feelings, on the one hand I see the users point about getting help from other LTS users who may be using older versions of an app but at the same time it adds work load and more channels to monitor [15:07] there's no point [15:07] -1 at the release specific channels [15:07] that is just insane [15:08] * IdleOne huggles funkyHat [15:08] Why's it more insane than -lts? ;P [15:08] its just a stealth move to break up #ubuntu [15:08] it's rare for a question in #ubuntu to be unique to a release. When it is, it's usually covered in release notes. And most people helping in #ubuntu can help regardless of version [15:08] funkyHat: an -ltsd channel would at least be around for 5 years [15:08] Think about the amount of work we already do when telling people to join #ubuntu+1 for devel releases. [15:08] ugh [15:08] or the split knowledge [15:09] spreading people around, just more of cross-channel postings and discussions [15:09] no real benefit, lot to lose [15:09] agreed [15:10] On a somewhat related note I joined -meta yesterday, and as a result helped about 10 people that I wouldn't have otherwise [15:10] may I suggest floodbots auto kick when a release version number is misused i.e. 10.4 (drive me nuts) [15:10] nice [15:10] funkyHat: nice job :) [15:10] funkyHat: ye, it's great service [15:11] funkyHat: tried the meta client yet? [15:11] I think I'm more likely to just go straight to -meta to look for questions than watch #ubuntu [15:11] jussi: no, I'm not sure about the idea :/ [15:11] funkyHat: its quite cool. [15:11] I'll give it a go then [15:12] jussi: meta client? [15:13] Tm_T: see topic in #ubuntu-meta [15:13] ah, will do [15:14] @now new york [15:14] Current time in America/New_York: May 03 2010, 10:14:08 [15:14] someone should comment that brainstorm item [15:32] * jussi finds this rather funny.. [15:32] [17:31:26] <_pg_> does anyone use ubuntu studio and E? [15:33] jussi: I stick with A and D [15:33] * Tm_T hides [15:34] or D and G, like "Lady In Black" is [15:36] arhifas [15:37] !linux [15:37] Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as a kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux [15:38] should that, or separate factoid have something about "linux vs GNU/linux battles doesn't belong to ubuntu support channels" ? [15:39] Tm_T: I don't think that we need to write down a factoid for every possible rule that we could have. [15:39] Pici: true that too [15:49] !scope [15:49] We don't need factoids for *everything*, or ten factoids for the same thing ;) [15:57] ahah [15:57] 10:57:13 anyone else having issues with evolution? [15:57] 10:57:30 <_pg_> Micheal`: several billion years in im doing alright ;-) [16:01] hehe [16:09] so does anyone know why pete and andy are here? [16:20] tried asking them? [16:21] they seem to be #ubuntu-kernel ops not sure who is telling them to hang here [16:22] elky: that's my question, who/in where is telling them to come here (: [16:23] hence my first response [16:23] asked, no answer [16:26] then I suggest that the IRCC engage via an alternative means of communication [16:27] we send out Igor? [16:27] I thought we already did send out the carrier pigeons. Let me poke some people. [16:27] I prefer Igor [16:31] Pici, mark pilgrim used to recommend thunderbird, because it's "just like evolution, but intelligently designed" [16:42] reminded DarthFrog in #k to not tell people to use google so easily (: [17:06] Anyone know enough about nouveau to update the factoid? [17:14] !Nouveau [17:14] Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive [17:14] hrm [17:14] not experimental any more, it is in 10.04 [17:15] that part is true [17:15] !partner [17:15] Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" » [17:15] ^ updated [17:15] it will also be included in 2.6.33 by default \o/ [17:16] ...er as opposed to being included not by default? [17:17] Ubuntu adds it now to the distro. It will become part of the kernel instead [17:17] right [17:19] !nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, this does not support 3d rendering. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:19] perhaps [17:19] h00k: does not support? [17:19] In #ubuntu-ops, h00k said: !nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, this does not support 3d rendering. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:20] oh, right [17:20] Tm_T: not right now, it doesn't [17:20] it will in the future [17:20] h00k: ye, some functionality is there, been some time, but it's "unsupported" [17:21] the wiki says: Any 3-D functionality that might exist is still unsupported. Do not ask for instructions to try it. But you can read GalliumHowto in case you are brave enough. [17:22] ye [17:22] !nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:22] In #ubuntu-ops, h00k said: !nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:22] thanks for your attention to detail, ubottu. Never missing a beat! [17:23] Looks good to me. thanks, h00k [17:23] @login [17:23] The operation succeeded. [17:24] Thanks, also, Tm_T :) [17:24] !nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:24] But nouveau already means something else! [17:24] ubottu: you're silly [17:24] ubottu: no, nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:24] I'll remember that Tm_T [17:24] !nouveau [17:24] an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:24] bah, I knew this would happen [17:24] ubottu: no, nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:26] h00k, charlie-tca: done [17:26] !nouveau [17:26] nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:26] should the D on 3D be cap? [17:27] !nouveau [17:27] nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently, 3d rendering is unsupported. More information can be found here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [17:28] ... [17:28] !nouveau [17:28] nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently 3D rendering is unsupported. More information can be found in http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ - See also !nvidia [17:28] happy? [17:31] ta-da! [17:31] !nvidia [17:31] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [17:31] ... [17:32] Not true! For Nvidia, you must use the hardware drivers installer now [17:34] sofixit (= [17:34] I don't think I have ability to [17:35] you have an ability to suggest the replacement/update/correction/pimp-up [17:36] oh [17:41] charlie-tca: !factoidthatisbroken is New stuff here! [17:57] the part isn't mandatory [17:58] :( oh [18:05] but it helps [18:13] if used right way, that is [18:19] oh noes it's Pici! [18:19] * Tm_T hides [18:21] :( [18:22] my linode crashed [19:13] check out the topyli awesomeness! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVRd1FOMc8&feature=PlayList&p=67D3165D812D4CA7&playnext_from=PL&index=0 [22:27] Pici: sudobash seems to be ban evading in #ubuntu [22:28] @btlogin [22:29] Oh, fun. [22:30] TheOracle: He can't. [22:30] joaopinto called the ops in #ubuntu (sudobash) [22:30] jpds: Yeah, I know. :-/ [22:31] Want to boot him back out if he's actually banevading? [22:31] I'm a bit busy here with a financial report at work, can someone else take care of this? [22:32] I banforwarded him earlier to -ops due to his attitude, comments are on the bt [22:32] Yes [22:32] I can if a named op can't. [22:32] he is known trouble [22:33] nevermind, Tm_T is aware [22:33] I just don't want to get yelled at for opping in a #ubuntu- namespace channel without permission. :-p [22:33] jpds: thanks, I'm busy crawling thru silly bans here [22:34] Gryllida: hi how can we help you today? [22:35] Tm_T, no, no how, i'm just reading the topic here, i'll leave soon [22:35] do you all always harass people that come in here for support? [22:35] sudobash: Learn how to ask a question without insulting people. It's not that hard. [22:35] wow I only asked 20 times [22:35] all day long [22:35] Gryllida: ok then, bye (: [22:35] sudobash: And a lack of response usually means nobody has the answer / noticed the question if they did. [22:35] it's always something with you all [22:36] sudobash: I'm just watching your ban records, I'm sure you already know how you are supposed to behave in ubuntu channels [22:36] always breaking some rule or not being patient enough for you all, why can't Canonical stop messing with shit and leave the stuff that works alone? why does it always have to change constantly [22:37] PPD are removed [22:37] ? [22:37] SKIP_CHECKS removed (blacklist hardcoded) [22:37] yeah TM_T I cant speficify custom PPD drivers for printers in Ubuntu 9.10? [22:37] sudobash: we are here dealing only your behaviour in #ubuntu [22:37] no place to tell it what driver to use in the printer applet [22:38] no I cam in for support and constantly get harassed [22:38] by youre asshole ops [22:38] sudobash: In the time you've been in here whining I did some googling and found the answer to your question. [22:38] sudobash: FYI: http://wiki.compiz.org/Hardware/Blacklist [22:39] sudobash: that's not the point, your bad attitude towards others in #ubuntu is not acceptable [22:39] sudobash: it's _your_ behaviour that stops you getting support [22:39] yeah that functionality was removed dumbass the blacklist is hard coded in 10.04 wow you don't know shit do you [22:39] so you let ops harass people [22:39] I can't *imagine* why people aren't lining up to help you, sudobash. [22:40] the only person i've seen being harassing toward anyone is YOU [22:40] cooks [22:40] kitchen [22:40] Pici: got it [22:40] no I constantly come in and I am harassed by ops telling me stupid shit like I'm 5 years old maybe it's just because all your ops are retards [22:40] sudobash: please, that doesn't help dealing this matter [22:40] you found my answer too bad it was wrong [22:41] it's the truth should people come in to get support and be harassed? [22:41] sudobash: you've been aggressive towards others because you didn't get the answer quick enough, that is not acceptable [22:42] any kind of aggressiveness towards others is not acceptable [22:42] you all jump on ppl because 1 op says hey this guy is starting a commotion but you all don't even know what it's about you all just jump in on the 1 person [22:42] sudobash: as said, I have your ban records in front of me [22:43] whatever what you don't have is what lead up to them huh? [22:43] what the ops said [22:43] I'm sure you have what I said though... [22:43] I do [22:43] where is the log of the ops saying shit in pm's and shit [22:44] yeah you have everything plus the complete confidence that your whole team is rock solid and trustworthy [22:44] this channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/03/%23ubuntu-ops.html [22:44] yeah +maco once again I am not 5 years old thanks for pointing out the obvious for everyone though..................... [22:44] sudobash: actually, you are _still_ banned from #ubuntu since Nov 2008 [22:44] for something stupid no doubt [22:45] that's your words (: [22:45] I am spreading the word the Ubuntu and Linux are slowly taking our freedoms away [22:46] I guess Richard Stallman is right, don't follow Linux unless you don't want complete freedom [22:47] *splorf* [22:47] so explain why we can't bypass compiz blacklist anymore? [22:47] sudobash: #ubuntu is not place to express freedom, it's place to have ubuntu supportin friendly atmosphere [22:47] and why we can't manually load PPD driver in Ubuntu 9.10 and above? [22:47] sudobash: we don't discuss those things here now, we discuss about your behaviour [22:48] sudobash: We can, I did so two days ago. [22:48] which on jpds? [22:48] blacklist is hard coded in binary, that seems sketchy to say the least [22:48] sudobash: Lucid. [22:49] PPD or Blacklist? [22:49] sudobash: That seems more like an upstream desicion and not our problem. [22:49] yeah well maybe they forgot that Open Source Software is supposed to be about Freedom? [22:49] jpds: i already explained in #ubuntu that ubuntu developers do not make such decisions about features of upstream software [22:49] hard coded something seems closed source to me [22:50] sudobash: we don't discuss those things here now, we discuss about your behaviour [22:50] ok lets talk about why I got upset for being harassed by ops when coming to a support channel [22:51] sudobash: you began your misbehaviour well before I interrupted it [22:51] I ask a question and wait, then ask again and be bombarded with DON'T REPEAT YOURSELF, then wait more, then ask again, nothing, wait and watch all the retarded questions that could be answered by google [22:51] then wait some more then ask again and get nothing except harassment from OPS [22:52] I wonder why I got upset [22:52] 0029.39 < sudobash> I don't have time to watch a bunch of BS scroll down the screen talking about stupid stuff that could be handled in the forums by something called a SEARCH ENGINE [22:52] this is well before any ops interfered [22:53] well then you have stupid ass users that think and act like they are ops and need to stop that stupid shit before it pisses off the wrong person [22:54] uh [22:55] sudobash: I rather have those users than bad attitude towards others [22:55] my attitude is bad because of the way you all handle shit [22:56] you can't even create separate channels for separate issues and more advanced uses, you stick everyone in one channel and expect everything to be gravy [22:56] sudobash: we have been at this many times in past years, I don't like to discuss it all over again [22:56] then stop pissing off people [22:57] sudobash: we don't piss off people (on purpose atleast), and our behaviour, or anybodys behaviour is not an excuse for your bad behaviour [22:57] I wont be back and no one else will either I don't want to have to fucking migrate 40-50 users off of ubuntu because Canonical can't make up their fucking mind about what applets they are going to allow long term and stupid shit like that [22:58] you don't even see my side you closed minded bunch of idiots [22:58] oh well... [22:58] promises, oh those promises [22:58] THEY FUCKING SHIT CUNT NEVER KEEP THEM THEY IDIOTS [22:58] it's not first time this end up this way with him, nor last [22:58] oops :) [22:58] knome: ... [22:58] pardon [22:59] O_o [22:59] No-one forced him to use Ubuntu in the first place. [22:59] He could always use Gentoo. [22:59] for the record, these are the *only* things said to sudobash in #ubuntu by ops: [22:59] [18:48] sudobash: You know this channel's rules, please take a break if you cannot follow them. [22:59] [18:51] sudobash: please don't shout, please calm down, and please file a bug if there is a regression (ie feature went missing). likely an ubuntu developer did *not* decide to remove a feature but rather upstream made some change which we can certainly talk to them about or patch at the ubutu level [23:00] maco: what is timestamp of the ban? [23:00] well those are irclogs.ubuntu.com timestamps so umm... [23:01] 18:51:16 [!] mode/#ubuntu [+zq sudobash!*@*] by Pici [23:02] oh, that's the old one, right? [23:02] sudobash: hello, how can we help? [23:02] 13:52 is my client's timestamp for what i said, so 5 hours off. 17:33 is the timestamp i see for the ban, so 22:33 i guess [23:04] sudobash: if you have no desire to discuss about your behaviour, I have to ask you to leave this channel [23:04] she I was eating and your already getting on me for nothing [23:04] see* [23:04] yeah I want to get my answers [23:04] no I'm not getting on you, I'm just following the procedure [23:05] this is like some dictator shit [23:05] sudobash: this channel isnt for idling in though, so if you're not here to discuss the ban, you've no reason to be here [23:05] yes I would like to talk about my behaviour please don't beat me [23:06] I WANT MY ANSWERS SO I WANT TO GET THE BAN LIFTED I HAVE TO SCREAM CAUSE YOU DON"T READ [23:06] sudobash: please, stay calm [23:06] read then please [23:07] as i'm sure you've been told before, bans get lifted when you demonstrate a willingness to fix your behaviour, not when you become extra-annoying [23:07] or I could just change my mac ip and nick and come back without you even knowing maco [23:07] then you could say its against network policy to evade bans [23:08] exactly :) [23:08] sudobash, evading a ban is against freenode policy and you will be k-lined [23:08] tell me how you are going to know? [23:08] never mind, that's our job [23:08] wow on the delayed reaction thanks topyli [23:08] you won't thats just it... [23:09] not if I switch OS'es as well [23:09] good luck with that though... [23:09] sudobash: it doesn't matter if we know or not. if you continued being off topic then someone would spot it. if you rejoined and were a perfect citizen then who cares. :) [23:09] sudobash: you could also switch your irc network and fool us more [23:09] yeah but why when this is the offical support server for Ubuntu [23:10] I have 2 ubuntu questions I have been trying to get answered all day [23:10] because your attitude is not welcome here [23:10] change your attitude, and things'll be fine [23:10] sudobash, do you actually have something to discuss that is on topic here? [23:10] my attitude is a reflection of the way I have been treated here [23:10] sudobash: there's no excuse for bad behaviour [23:10] that is on topic ass hole [23:11] sure if I get treated like shit here by stupid users and ass hole ops I think I have reason to be pissed off [23:11] you would be pissed as well [23:11] unless your a robot [23:11] sudobash: there's no excuse for bad behaviour, no matter what [23:12] tell that to some of your ops [23:12] you cant accuse someone of something if your ops are guilty too and not even do shit about it with the staff members [23:12] we are not discussing about them, we are discussing about your behaviour [23:12] sudobash, the operators' competence is not an issue we discuss on this channel, we have an appeals process for that. if you don't want to make progress towards removing your own ban, you should leave the channel as we do not allow idling [23:12] what are you a fucking dictator telling me what I can and can't talk about? [23:12] what are you a fucking dictator telling me what I can and can't talk about? [23:12] what are you a fucking dictator telling me what I can and can't talk about? [23:13] yes [23:13] sudobash: could you please be civil? i don't believe any of us have sworn at you [23:13] I'm putting this on slashdot [23:13] * knome is eagerly waiting [23:14] sudobash: as topyli said, if you're not willing to deal this matter so we could remove your ban, please leave the channel [23:15] knome: ditto. irclogs are great, aren't they? :) [23:15] what the fuck I told you my attitude is a reflection of how I have been treated here what the fuck else do you want me to fucking say you fucking dicks? [23:15] maco, definitely :) [23:15] "sorry", maybe? [23:15] ... [23:15] thatd be a start [23:16] can I just get my answers? [23:16] you all are unbelievable [23:17] sudobash: not until you are willing to be calm and behave properly towards others [23:17] ...actually that's the answer [23:17] I am calm you all just have fun fucking with people and one day it's gonna bite you all hard in the ass [23:18] sudobash: in that case, I have to ask you to leave (:) [23:18] I am calm I just want my answer so I can fix someones damn printer god this is retarded [23:18] I hope you all feel good about acting like Hitler and all [23:18] ooh hitler [23:19] ): [23:19] Tm_T: You are a model of catalyzation. [23:19] TheOracle: I am not ): [23:19] Tm_T: You handled that better than I likely would have. [23:19] very patient indeed [23:19] you all can't even be nice [23:20] FWIW, I think there's a way to do what he wants to do but... [23:20] support team that are complete dicks [23:20] now it's up to you, staff? [23:21] Tm_T: For what, ban evasion? [23:21] well, he has that kind of habit... [23:21] Tm_T: We'll keep an eye out. [23:21] danke [23:22] Tm_T, remember to remove the ban tomorrow or so [23:22] topyli: he is already banevading in here, tbh [23:22] in here too, that is [23:24] if so, the ban only adds up to the list :) [23:24] indeed [23:25] i think it's night time for topyli. cheers! [23:25]