[00:06] <RAOF> bjsnider: I've heard good things about apt-on-cd
[00:08] <RAOF> Bernardo: Do you have a GMA500 card to play with?  I know that Sarvatt was looking at porting those packages; you should check in with him when he's available.
[01:36] <RAOF> Woo!  Looks like the dri2 gem leak with glx > 1.2 may have been *fixed* fixed now :)
[01:57] <bryceh> RAOF, :-)
[01:58] <bryceh> now only for a i855 fix
[02:26] <jg> bryceh: you happen to be around?
[05:20] <Bernardo> RAOF: Hi, I have one
[05:20] <Bernardo> and I've been working on lucazade's packages
[05:20] <Bernardo> I'll try to irc today from work if Sarvatt shows up
[09:23] <Mrokii> hello. Does anybody know what the problem could be if compositing doesn't work on Ubuntu/Gnome, even when according to gconf-editor it should be enabled?
 Mrokii, you should give more info in you question like ubuntu version, graphic card, graphic driver
 I am using an nvidia-card on Ubuntu 9.10, with nvidias own drivers. They have worked fine upto now, but after the latest restart compositing doesn't work anymore.
[09:26] <Mrokii> and as I said, according to gconf-editor, compositing should be enabled.
[09:26] <ricotz> Mrokii, which card model, which driver version?
[09:27] <Mrokii> The driver version is 195.30 (a beta-driver I have been using for several days without problems). The card is 9500, I think. Not qute sure about that atm.
[09:29] <Mrokii> I don't know if that is related, but yesterday Nautilus acted weird, as when I tried to open a folder from the "Places"-menu, it showed an error-message, that it couldn't open the file. I then followed a tip I found on the net to update the desktop-database which didn't help. But I don't know if this possibly broke something.
[09:32] <Mrokii> If I remember right, the Graphicscard is named "9500 GT".
[09:38] <Mrokii> another thought: Could that be a kernel-problem? I know I have updated the kernel a day ago and used that. Would it make sense to try to start from the older kernel?
[09:54] <Mrokii> ricotz:  Sorry, computer crashed. But it seems to work now again (for whatever reason). I tried to enable Visual Effects in the Appearance-prefs and that somehow seemed to enable composition again. Seems it works at the moment, I will have to see if it works when I start next.
[09:54] <Mrokii> *next time.
[09:54] <Mrokii> ricotz:  Thanks for trying to help. Bye
[10:22] <coz_> hey guys... noticed on lucid  ... for 2 of my machines with nvidia agp cards... I cannot enable fastwrites and SBA...any solutions?
[10:24] <coz_> well I am going to come back for that answer ... I have to reinstall anyway
[14:24] <jg> ping bryceh 
[15:32] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: sorry, I haven't really been around, been busy as heck here getting ready for UDS
[15:32] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: you need to add renamed drm module to the udev rules
[15:33] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: grep -R lbm-drm /lib/udev/rules.d/
[15:34] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: that'll show you what you need to do for drm-psb or psb-drm, whatever they renamed it to
[15:46] <jg> Sarvatt: I'm having trouble with an install onto the new laptop I just got; the machine boots all the way (I can here the cheery ubuntu audible logo), but the screen isn't getting properly enabled.  What should I try?
[15:48] <Sarvatt> jg: problems with the new machine too?! oh no :( what kind of GPU is in the laptop? do you have multiple monitors plugged in or anything?
[15:49] <Sarvatt> jg: oh you said it was a newer intel right?
[15:49] <jg> Intel.
[15:49] <jg> does have a display port connector.
[15:49] <jg> yup.
[15:49] <jg> I7.
[15:49] <Sarvatt> what brand/model laptop?
[15:49] <jg> keithp didn't expect any particular problems.
[15:49] <jg> HP 2540p
[15:50] <jg> "Elitebook 2540p".
[15:50] <jg> HP is advertizing it will be/is certified on SuSE, so it's one they expect would be supported.
[15:50] <jg> and will stand behind.
[15:51] <jg> It's just started shipping.
[15:51] <jg> I think I'm probably the first to try Linux on it in the wild.
[15:51] <Sarvatt> can you try booting without splash? also does it help if you hit the toggle display button after its booted or anything?
[15:52] <jg> I get the initial strange keyboard like logo on the bottom of the screen.  I didn't think to try toggling the display (duh, some days I'm dumb).
[15:53] <jg> so I verified the CD's checksum, and tried to just boot into the CD.
[15:53] <jg> At least if nomodeset is set, it gets all the way to audio output.
[15:53] <jg> not sure if that is the case with kms.
[15:53] <jg> unfortunately, I'm about to go into a tunnel.
[15:53] <jg> be back this afternoon.
[15:54] <Sarvatt> i have to run to work too, hopefully I can catch up with ya later and help troubleshoot it, will try to dig up something
[15:56] <Sarvatt> i've seen similar bugs from people on lenovo x201s' where the gpu was hanging right when X started, hopefully can get some insight there since I cant find anything on HP 2540p specifically yet
[15:57] <Sarvatt> HP actually has linux support for that thing?
[15:59] <Sarvatt> i have 4 HP laptops and every single one is hilariously linux unfriendly and needed custom DSDT's
[16:00] <Sarvatt> dont see any here - http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownload.jsp?prodNameId=4138625&lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=4138624&taskId=135
[16:36] <Sarvatt> tseliot: have you seen that libvdpau1 only conflicts with the debian nvidia packages and not the ubuntu ones and some people with libmyth-whatever installed while upgrading are getting the blob installed as well even  if they aren't on nvidia?
[16:44] <tseliot> Sarvatt: I think I saw a bug about it. Do you have the exact bug number?
[16:47] <bjsnider> it's a side-effect of the debian nvidia blob packaging being so far removed from the ubuntu packaging
[16:52] <bjsnider> not only will the packaging of libvdpau1 have to be changed, but an "ubuntux" will have to be added to the new version because of the ubuntu packaging changes. but the latest release is not in lucid, so the updates could be folded into that
[17:46] <hyperair> hmm something weird is happening to my system.
[17:46] <hyperair> i appear to be going into swapping hell
[17:47] <hyperair> but cached=276M, free=500M, and used=1496M.
[17:47] <hyperair> weird..
[17:47] <hyperair> so much unused memory.
[17:47]  * hyperair restarts X
[17:59] <Bernardo> hi all
[17:59] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: the psb-drm module gets loaded
[18:00] <Bernardo> I in fact renamed it, adapting the Mandriva patches
[18:00] <Sarvatt> yeah because psb depends on it but its not set up properly because the udev scripts only work for drm/lbm-drm
[18:00] <Bernardo> the problem is that even with debug enabled neither psb or psb-drm show any error
[18:00] <Bernardo> ok, let me check the udev scripts
[18:01] <Bernardo> but I had it before as drm, and the problem was the same, /dev/dri never got created
[18:01] <Sarvatt> just add a new line changing lbm-drm to psb-drm to each of those 3 files
[18:01] <Sarvatt> or drm-psb, whatever its called in there
[18:02] <Bernardo> psb-drm
[18:04] <Sarvatt> SUBSYSTEM=="psb-drm", KERNEL=="card*", ENV{ACL_MANAGE}="1" in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules, SUBSYSTEM!="drm|lbm-drm|psb-drm", GOTO="drm_end" in /lib/udev/rules.d/78-graphics-card.rules, and SUBSYSTEM=="psb-drm",		GROUP="video" in /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
[18:04] <Bernardo> yep
[18:04] <Bernardo> didn't change anything, I'll reboot and check again
[18:06] <Bernardo> still no improvement
[18:07] <Bernardo> psb and psb-drm get loaded, no errors in dmesg, and the xserver-xorg-video-psb driver fails because /dev/dri never get created
[18:08] <ani> is this chennel support graphics problem?
[18:09] <ani> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/3TMBTUs9
[18:11] <ani> nvidia driver install fail. today i delete kermic and install lucid. then perform sudo apt-get update.  then try to install the 195 nvidia driver. becouse 185 can't support my card.  but install fail. above i pest the log of install.
[18:11] <Sarvatt> ani: installing from nvidia.com doesn't work in lucid
[18:12] <Sarvatt> that driver is in lucid, called nvidia-current
[18:12] <Sarvatt> there is no 185 in lucid
[18:12] <ani> then what i have to do?
[18:12] <Sarvatt> run the installer again with --uninstall, then go to system - administration - hardware drivers and activate it
[18:12] <ani> search in software manager system u will find the 185
[18:13] <Sarvatt> its a dummy package that gives you the latest version if its there
[18:13] <ani> and what about binary files
[18:14] <Sarvatt> if you activate it in hardware drivers you'll have the 195.36.15 version you tried to install there, its called nvidia-current
[18:15] <ani> so i have to do apt-get install nvidia-current
[18:15] <Sarvatt> no do it through jockey (hardware drivers) or else it wont set up an xorg.conf for you, if you want to do it from the command line use sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[18:16] <ani> ok
[18:17] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: did you munge all the symbols when you renamed it to drm-psb too?
[18:18] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: yes
[18:18] <ani> its saying network connection broken
[18:18] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: can you paste your dmesg booting with it?
[18:18] <Bernardo> I ran the script that they use at mandriva, then generated a diff from the results of the script and the original directory
[18:19] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: yes, let me copy it from the gma500 machine, just a sec
[18:19] <ani> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:20] <Sarvatt> Bernardo: no rush I have to run for a bit again, i started doing the stuff here but haven't had time to go further with the 5 day PPA build queue https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb
[18:20] <ani> what that mean?
[18:20] <Sarvatt> ani: dont have X started?
[18:20] <ani> am in gui mode
[18:20] <ani> useing chatzilla
[18:21] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: lucazade created a google code svn rep, we've put everything there
[18:21] <ani> how can i do that witout X
[18:22] <ani> Server is already active for display 0
[18:22] <Sarvatt> ani: just sudo apt-get install nvidia-current and sudo nvidia-xconfig I guess, no idea whats up
[18:22] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: 49k, how do you want me to send it to you?
[18:23] <VladimirBG> hi
[18:23] <VladimirBG> I need help with radeon driver setup in 10.04
[18:24] <VladimirBG> I need to set this: "Option          "DynamicClocks"  "on"   #This is for laptop users, it saves energy when in battery mode." in xorg.conf, but there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[18:37] <VladimirBG> anyone.... how do I edit xorg.conf in ubuntu 10.04?
[18:40] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6634890/gma500nodri.dmesg
[18:40] <Bernardo> VladimirBG: you have to create one from scratch, or download one from somewheree
[18:40] <Bernardo> afaik
[21:44] <jg> Sarvatt: still losing.  how do I tell it to boot into the CD, but not try to bring up X?  I see funky stuff on the screen just at the point I'd expect the X server to be starting....
[21:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: FYI remember when we talked about my e-sata disk asking for privs, and you sugested to chown the /media... nada... same thing
[21:55] <BUGabundo> from my POV it's a bug in some protection system
[21:56] <bjsnider> well, some people would call it a "feature" instead of a bug, but not me. that's just a pain
[21:57] <bjsnider> why should any mount require root privileges? it doesn't affect the root partition because that is in use. nobody can unmount a filesystem that's in use
[21:57] <BUGabundo> worse then that
[21:58] <BUGabundo> it mounts as *my* user
[21:59] <bjsnider> should be one of t hose "papercuts"
[21:59] <bjsnider> maybe it is. i don't have the list in front of me
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I filed it around alpha3 aka beta
[22:01] <BUGabundo> guess it was a regression
[22:01] <BUGabundo> and never fixed
[22:01] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can find it
[22:12] <M0DCM_Dave> Hey Ho Magicians
[22:13] <M0DCM_Dave> Hows everything in the world of Poulsbo?
[22:16] <jcristau> hahaha.
[22:18] <M0DCM_Dave> Where there's a will there's a way
[22:18] <M0DCM_Dave> old wise man said that to me
[22:23] <M0DCM_Dave> So what's going on with Poulsbo so far?
[22:28] <Alan> hmmm
[22:29] <Alan> I've just upgraded to Lucid, and i'm having real trouble getting my tablet stuff working again - was working fine in Karmic
[22:30] <Alan> biggest problem i'm having right now is that I can get the modifier button to do a right-click, but i can't get it to modify the stylus into a right-click like it used to...
[22:34] <M0DCM_Dave> A;an, have you tried in the other rooms?
[22:34] <M0DCM_Dave> sorry typing with one hand while lighting a ciggy with the other
[22:35] <M0DCM_Dave> I've already given up Visual Basic and re-learning C/C++
[22:36] <M0DCM_Dave> not giving ciggy's up just yet lol
[22:37] <Alan> haha
[22:38] <Alan> M0DCM_Dave: which one in particular?
[22:38] <M0DCM_Dave> #ubuntu
[22:38] <M0DCM_Dave> or if #ubuntu+1 is still open try that one
[22:42] <Alan> M0DCM_Dave: i'll try, but it's like trying to ask for directions in a waterfall
[22:42] <Alan> i was hoping somebody here might know, and it's less crowded
[22:43] <M0DCM_Dave> I think this is just for the Poulsbo chipset
[22:44] <jcristau> eh.  what is for poulsbo?
[22:44] <jcristau> this channel certainly isn't..
[22:44] <M0DCM_Dave> phew
[22:44] <M0DCM_Dave> got me worried
[22:44] <Alan> what? I'm confused now!
[22:45] <M0DCM_Dave> me to lol
[22:45] <M0DCM_Dave> Alan is having a prob
[22:45] <M0DCM_Dave> I dunno how to help him
[23:20] <ilmari> hah, managed to trigger https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/568138 with a kernel with lock debugging support
[23:20] <ilmari> alien arena seems to consistently trigger the hang
[23:48] <Alan> Oh, if you're interested, i might have figured out how to get my stylus buttons to work
[23:48] <Alan> the TPCButton option
[23:49] <Alan> although not sure why it's not on already....
[23:51] <Sarvatt> Alan: do you have a serial wacom tablet? that was just fixed recently in xf86-input-wacom if so
[23:51] <Alan> Sarvatt: technically, yes, i.e. it's a tablet PCR
[23:51] <Alan> *PC
[23:52] <Alan> so you mean that it's actually fixed upstream, but missed the boat for Lucid?
[23:52]  * Alan stabs version freezes
[23:52] <Alan> I understand why version freezes exist, but it does suck when it's a case of "oh well, screwed for the next 6 months"
[23:54] <Sarvatt> http://linuxwacom.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom;a=commit;h=d83ad3afe27feb1d055cfeeef448d5045089c6f0
[23:54] <Alan> right
[23:55] <Alan> so it's a simple case of setting it manually in my xorg.conf then?
[23:56] <Sarvatt> looks like it applies to the xf86-input-wacom in lucid, should file a bug and it can get SRUed probably
[23:56] <Sarvatt> yeah thats the easiest way
[23:56] <Alan> ok
[23:56] <Alan> well that worked
[23:56] <Alan> thanks Sarvatt 
[23:57] <Alan> I was starting to worry there!
[23:57] <Alan> I wonder if/when ubuntu will ever support tablet rotate by default....
[23:57] <Sarvatt> something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/427281/
[23:58] <Sarvatt> Alan: expect to be able to adjust most of the wacom settings in gnome for 10.10
[23:59] <Sarvatt> without screwing with an xorg.conf or xsetwacom or whatever
[23:59] <Alan> Sarvatt: that would be nice...
[23:59] <Alan> I like the fact that xorg.conf is becoming less and less
[23:59] <Sarvatt> its already there but was too late for gnome 2.30