| sain | I need help with upgrade from ubuntu 10.04 | 02:17 |
|---|---|---|
| holstein | how so? | 02:18 |
| sain | #ubuntu | 02:18 |
| holstein | what are you running now? | 02:18 |
| holstein | karmic? | 02:18 |
| sain | Lucid | 02:18 |
| holstein | OH | 02:18 |
| holstein | gotcha | 02:18 |
| holstein | sain: are you familiar with synaptic? | 02:19 |
| sain | i want to get studio desktop studio on lucid | 02:19 |
| holstein | yes | 02:20 |
| holstein | BUT, are you familiar with synaptic? | 02:20 |
| holstein | synaptic package manager? | 02:20 |
| holstein | OR do you use the software center | 02:20 |
| holstein | ? | 02:20 |
| sain | Yes i am. here is the thing though... | 02:20 |
| holstein | OK | 02:21 |
| holstein | in synaptci | 02:21 |
| holstein | synaptic* | 02:21 |
| holstein | just search ubuntustudio | 02:21 |
| holstein | and you'll see all the meta-packages | 02:21 |
| holstein | and you can read about them | 02:21 |
| holstein | ALSO | 02:21 |
| sain | I tried studio 10.04 but had networking problems | 02:21 |
| sain | Network manager wasn't installed by default | 02:21 |
| holstein | yup | 02:21 |
| sain | so i installed Ubuntu 10.04 and want to upgrade from there | 02:22 |
| holstein | ALSO read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 02:22 |
| holstein | and | 02:22 |
| holstein | OOPS | 02:22 |
| holstein | not that one | 02:22 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation | 02:22 |
| holstein | that one :) | 02:22 |
| holstein | and | 02:22 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 02:22 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 02:22 |
| holstein | sain: are you interested in audio or video? | 02:23 |
| holstein | or both? | 02:23 |
| sain | both. | 02:23 |
| sain | I fear i have same networking issues after upgrade | 02:23 |
| sain | so ..in the event that u get networking issues, is it possible to undo an upgrade? | 02:24 |
| sain | excuse my typos | 02:25 |
| holstein | no worries | 02:25 |
| holstein | well | 02:25 |
| holstein | this is just like adding software | 02:25 |
| holstein | you dont have to add it all | 02:25 |
| holstein | the themes and wheat-not | 02:25 |
| holstein | you dont HAVE to install any of it | 02:25 |
| holstein | if you just want the GIMP | 02:25 |
| holstein | just install the GIMP | 02:25 |
| sain | but i like the look and feel of studio | 02:26 |
| holstein | OK | 02:26 |
| holstein | IN THEORY | 02:26 |
| sain | i just want to get the desktop environment. | 02:26 |
| holstein | you can sudo apt-get auto-remove ubuntustudio-*whatever_meta_package | 02:26 |
| holstein | hmmm | 02:26 |
| holstein | sain: you might just want to search gnome-look | 02:27 |
| holstein | OR some other theme site | 02:27 |
| holstein | might be easier | 02:27 |
| holstein | just be sure you read about all those packages | 02:27 |
| holstein | i think you just want ubuntustudio-desktop | 02:27 |
| holstein | BUT im not sure | 02:27 |
| sain | thanks. and did you also experience network manager missing? | 02:27 |
| holstein | i just get the audio apps myself | 02:28 |
| holstein | sain: AFAIK | 02:28 |
| holstein | its not in there | 02:28 |
| holstein | because it can conflict with audio interfaces | 02:28 |
| sain | ohh | 02:29 |
| sain | then how do u get it if you dont have internet connection in the first place? | 02:30 |
| sain | IAW cant run synaptic | 02:30 |
| holstein | OK | 02:38 |
| holstein | sain: you see that other link? | 02:38 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 02:39 |
| sain | yes | 02:39 |
| holstein | in there is an explaination about how to use a CD as the repo | 02:39 |
| holstein | SO you can install from synaptic using the ubuntustudio DVD | 02:39 |
| holstein | in theory | 02:39 |
| * holstein has never tried it | 02:39 | |
| holstein | ive just always had internet | 02:40 |
| sain | holstein: i forgot to mention that the install of Network manager from the DVD failed | 02:41 |
| sain | i kept getting errors saying to place studio dvd in rom. it was already there | 02:42 |
| holstein | yeah | 02:43 |
| sain | tried for 3 hours and gave up. | 02:43 |
| holstein | you are missing nm-applet | 02:43 |
| holstein | i bet | 02:43 |
| holstein | BUT im not sure | 02:43 |
| sain | I'm missing that too. network manger package was missing. | 02:45 |
| sain | I'll try installing studio desktop over Lucid and see what happens | 02:45 |
| sain | my only concern is in case i screw up, will i restore my original settings when i uninstall studio desktop?! | 02:48 |
| holstein | sain: in theory | 02:53 |
| holstein | you should onlly be getting themes | 02:53 |
| holstein | and wallpapers | 02:53 |
| holstein | and should be able to remove them no problem | 02:54 |
| sain | holstein: thanks | 02:54 |
| Xase | Hey anyone alive here? | 04:07 |
| holstein | Xase: whats up? | 04:07 |
| Xase | Well I am trying to set up a ubuntu studio guest in Vbox so I can test some of the products with out mucking up my current ubuntu install... but when I go to install guest additions, it says It cant build the kernel modules as it cant find the source. | 04:08 |
| holstein | hmm | 04:09 |
| holstein | Xase: why do you want guest additions? | 04:09 |
| Xase | Acidentally selected jackd realtime kernel at setup... dunno if that's the problem, and why it can't find it. | 04:09 |
| Xase | Full screen capabilities. | 04:09 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:09 |
| Xase | 1024x768 kills me. | 04:09 |
| holstein | i havnet tried to get the guest additions installed in lucid | 04:10 |
| holstein | it would be the same as vanilla ubuntu | 04:10 |
| holstein | OR should be | 04:10 |
| holstein | AND | 04:10 |
| holstein | you just go to qjackctl | 04:10 |
| holstein | and you can uncheck the realtime option | 04:10 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:10 |
| Xase | But doesn't it go to realtime kernel now... or is the realtime kernel default anyways? | 04:10 |
| holstein | Xase: you know much about jack? | 04:11 |
| holstein | Xase: RT kernel is not default | 04:11 |
| holstein | i would say only install it if you need it | 04:11 |
| holstein | you might be cool with the generic one | 04:11 |
| Xase | No. Not much really outside of knowing i've used it indirectly I believe. | 04:11 |
| Xase | I think I should be cool with generic... but it lists the rt kernel in my kernel sources directory under /usr/src/linux | 04:11 |
| Xase | That was the cause of my trepidation in working out a solution on my own. | 04:12 |
| holstein | what about uname -a ? | 04:12 |
| Xase | Booting up as we speak. | 04:12 |
| Xase | The gdm background is rather trippy. who designed it? | 04:15 |
| holstein | not sure | 04:15 |
| holstein | i've always really enjoyed the ubuntustudio art | 04:15 |
| Xase | Yeah me as well. | 04:15 |
| Xase | It's running Generic. | 04:15 |
| holstein | yea | 04:16 |
| holstein | h | 04:16 |
| holstein | SO | 04:16 |
| Xase | But it still reports unable to build kernels... | 04:16 |
| holstein | if you dont need it | 04:16 |
| holstein | you dont need it | 04:16 |
| holstein | you can just do sudo apt-get install linux-rt | 04:16 |
| holstein | if you need it | 04:16 |
| holstein | AND edit grub2 | 04:16 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 04:16 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 | 04:16 |
| Xase | Do I need more than the headers and build-essential to compile a kernel module? | 04:16 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:17 |
| holstein | i wouldnt think so | 04:17 |
| holstein | BUT i usually just apt-get the whole package | 04:17 |
| holstein | and i havent built one on my own yet | 04:17 |
| Xase | Well I don't need to build one. Virtualbox Guest Additions install just needs to be able to build a module... perhaps a lack of DKMS or something or other? | 04:19 |
| holstein | im not sure | 04:19 |
| holstein | i tried in karmic | 04:19 |
| holstein | to get compiz going under virtualbox | 04:19 |
| holstein | in snow leopard | 04:19 |
| Xase | Snow Leopard? | 04:20 |
| holstein | and i gave up after a bit | 04:20 |
| Xase | Running Compiz? | 04:20 |
| holstein | OSX | 04:20 |
| Xase | Ah | 04:20 |
| Xase | Ok | 04:20 |
| Xase | Phew. | 04:20 |
| holstein | with lucid as a guest | 04:20 |
| holstein | running compiz | 04:20 |
| Xase | I thought someone finally accomplished a way to fully install a mac os x guest in vbox. | 04:20 |
| holstein | i did get the guest additions installed though | 04:20 |
| holstein | and i didnt do anything crazy | 04:21 |
| Xase | Hmm | 04:21 |
| holstein | i just ran the script | 04:21 |
| Xase | Well this eats chunks... | 04:21 |
| holstein | on the guest additions ISO | 04:21 |
| holstein | in xubuntu 9.10 | 04:21 |
| holstein | and mint | 04:21 |
| holstein | i want to say that was jaunty based | 04:21 |
| holstein | are you getting an error when you run the script? | 04:23 |
| Xase | Yes | 04:23 |
| holstein | drag | 04:23 |
| holstein | can you try again | 04:23 |
| Xase | Did | 04:23 |
| holstein | and pastebin it? | 04:23 |
| Xase | Several times | 04:23 |
| Xase | Sure | 04:23 |
| holstein | the output? | 04:23 |
| Xase | ow.ly/1G64A I believe should get you there | 04:26 |
| holstein | http://pastebin.com/agM9Wac1 | 04:27 |
| holstein | i think you should paste that in a normal support channel too | 04:27 |
| holstein | you got a LOCO? | 04:27 |
| holstein | where are you? | 04:27 |
| holstein | #ubuntu is a mess | 04:27 |
| Xase | I am US > Mass | 04:28 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList | 04:28 |
| holstein | yup | 04:28 |
| holstein | #ubuntu-us-ma | 04:29 |
| holstein | AND | 04:29 |
| holstein | Xase: i think we need /var/log/vboxadd-install.log too | 04:30 |
| holstein | i bet this is a lucid support issue | 04:31 |
| holstein | in virtualbox | 04:31 |
| holstein | Xase: is this windows? | 04:31 |
| holstein | do you have the latest Vbox version? | 04:31 |
| holstein | lucid just went final thursday | 04:31 |
| Xase | kk | 04:31 |
| Xase | That is the install log. | 04:32 |
| Xase | Yeah | 04:32 |
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| psidrum | my audio stopped working, when i try to play a music it says Failed to connect: Connection refused | 09:52 |
| narendra | HI everybody.. | 10:25 |
| narendra | I want to ask the feedback on Big Live DVD and its disadvanges | 10:26 |
| narendra | may you give the your experience | 10:26 |
| narendra | I belongs to India, and we are preparing custom live DVD of Linux... I want to know what can be the disadvantages,, | 10:27 |
| narendra | how can i contact main developers and users ? | 10:28 |
| narendra | ?????????/ | 10:30 |
| jussi | narendra: our DVD is not a live DVD. | 11:07 |
| narendra | Yes, I know,, but I am creating a Live DVD based on Live CD of ubuntu, this is going to distribute hundreds of students, now, I am asking for potential diadvantages | 11:10 |
| narendra | jussi, ..| | 11:11 |
| narendra | jussi, I am asking to share Or give feedback for this purpose based on ubuntu studio experience | 11:11 |
| jussi | narendra: large download size, need to have dvd handy... | 11:11 |
| astraljava | narendra: I think he meant that you're asking in the wrong channel, try the plain Ubuntu devs. | 11:11 |
| astraljava | Oh, okay. Sorry I misunderstood. | 11:12 |
| narendra | astraljava, but I am was asking like having a BigDVD , how it will behave on 512Mb ram | 11:12 |
| narendra | astraljava, which most of the school have | 11:12 |
| narendra | astraljava, also, I am making a mannal for creating live usb... for for creating a live usb, I have to give then iso image inside DVD | 11:13 |
| astraljava | narendra: DVD versus CD doesn't matter there, it's all about how big a chunk needs to be loaded into the memory. | 11:13 |
| narendra | astraljava, See, my custom live DVD is having almost all packages which a student needs, and current size is 2.1GB and expected to grow upto 2.5GB | 11:14 |
| narendra | http://schoolos.org | 11:14 |
| astraljava | narendra: I'd expect a lot of swapping then, but again I'm not an expert on live systems, as we don't do that here. | 11:15 |
| narendra | astraljava, So booting from USB will fast,, | 11:16 |
| narendra | astraljava, what u think? | 11:16 |
| narendra | astraljava, but I afraid , school hardware will support usb booting or not.... | 11:16 |
| astraljava | narendra: That's the tricky part, yes, most older hardware might not support that function. | 11:17 |
| astraljava | narendra: But I'm not sure how well a live system will work on 512MB RAM anyway. You might wanna ask for experiences from the measurements from the vanilla Ubuntu devs. | 11:18 |
| narendra | astraljava, where i can find them? | 11:19 |
| astraljava | narendra: To me it sounds like a problem. But what do I know. | 11:19 |
| Blank__ | you can't pull off a liveCD environment with 512MB ram without it being very sluggish after only a few programs are opened | 11:19 |
| astraljava | narendra: You can ask for further pointers in #ubuntu-devel. | 11:20 |
| Blank__ | i'm thinking in terms of a full gnome environment, though | 11:20 |
| narendra | astraljava, thanks,, asking -devel list | 11:21 |
| astraljava | Blank__: Well, from the aforementioned website: School OS is complete and fully functional operating system based on the Gnome window managers | 11:21 |
| Blank__ | hmm... that would be a problem if RAM is in short supply | 11:22 |
| Blank__ | for instance, this old laptop has 448MB ram and it was hopeless with gnome (on a proper install), so I ended up switching to XFCE then LXDE | 11:23 |
| astraljava | Yeah, I can imagine so much of swapping, it's not even funny. | 11:23 |
| Blank__ | i can run gimp and a few other things at once, but even under LXDE things get very slow | 11:24 |
| Blank__ | i barely use firefox because of how much ram it uses | 11:25 |
| narendra | Blank__, Thanks for input,, I am looking for network install methods.. too | 11:28 |
| Blank__ | good luck narendra, glad to see people working on this sort of thing | 12:17 |
| narendra | Blank__, thanks, My only problem how to make the live DVD bootable on small ram like 512 MB ram ..... | 12:20 |
| psidrum | wineasio included in next ubuntustudio? | 12:27 |
| Blank__ | narendra, it would probably require a lot of changes to the stock gnome desktop | 12:27 |
| narendra | Blank__, I am not intending for lot of changes, Intension is to install SchoolOS in all indian schools.. | 12:28 |
| Blank__ | narendra, things like stopping certain services from running... i don't know much about the workings of gnome sadly | 12:29 |
| narendra | Blank__, ok ,, I got your point ! | 12:30 |
| Blank__ | narendra, were you intending on including openoffice? | 12:30 |
| narendra | Blank__, yes, visit http://schoolos.org | 12:31 |
| Blank__ | narendra, that could be a problem... whenever i open up the word processor my system gets very slow | 12:32 |
| narendra | Blank__, case 1 - booting from live CD which has openoffice case 2 - booting from live CD which has openoffice and openning it | 12:34 |
| narendra | Blank__, are both same things ? | 12:34 |
| narendra | Blank__, ln boot time and general speed | 12:35 |
| Blank__ | there's no problem with having openoffice on the cd, but the system would get slower when opening it | 12:35 |
| Blank__ | i just ran it on my other computer, which is much faster and better, and openoffice writer took up 15MB of memory, so it's probably not a problem, narendra | 12:43 |
| narendra | Blank__, ok | 12:45 |
| astraljava | 31179 jaska 20 0 173m 57m 43m S 0 2.9 0:01.30 soffice.bin | 12:46 |
| astraljava | Considerably more than 15MB. | 12:46 |
| astraljava | Resident is 57MB, 43MB shared. | 12:47 |
| astraljava | $ cat /etc/lsb-release: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04 | 12:47 |
| mrAZ | hello, i have freezing ubuntu studio 10.04 installation with rt kernel. any issues known ? | 12:49 |
| astraljava | mrAZ: I'd suggest filing a bug about it, no issues known, thus no workarounds. | 12:55 |
| astraljava | mrAZ: Which version of linux-rt are you using? | 13:00 |
| mrAZ | 2.6.31-10-rt | 13:01 |
| mrAZ | there is message after grub menu : mounting none on /dev failed | 13:02 |
| mrAZ | then it boots, but after 5min or so freezes. i tried to not install any 2d/3d audio and video software - as minimal as possible | 13:03 |
| astraljava | mrAZ: Not sure what the status of rt kernel is at the moment, so like I said, file a bug and let's see what kind of commentary we get there from the dev. | 13:06 |
| mrAZ | i will try to write some diagnostic logging to see first what part of system cuses that. i am used to debian only, has ubuntu some special lastlog settings ? | 13:08 |
| astraljava | mrAZ: Not that I know of, but you could try asking from some devs about it. | 13:09 |
| Blank__ | astraljava, i stand corrected... i wonder why it was so small on my other computer | 13:14 |
| astraljava | Blank__: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Maybe they have tweaked it for better performance. | 13:17 |
| Blank__ | Ubuntu Studio 10.04 RC is what was on it at the time | 13:18 |
| mrAZ | which nvidia should i choose for geforce 9500 gt ? i suspect graphics to cause freezing. | 13:20 |
| astraljava | mrAZ: You mean the graphics driver? Have you tried nouveau? | 13:21 |
| mrAZ | i will try it | 13:22 |
| _pg_ | does anyone use ubuntu studio and E? | 15:30 |
| jussi | _pg_: dont tempt me with such easy ones :P | 15:32 |
| jussi | _pg_: but I dont. do you have an issue you would like to ask about? | 15:32 |
| _pg_ | jussi: just wondering if anyone does it, I have it going but have all kinds of silly problems. E is just so gorgeous...and everyone in #ubuntu hates E and everyone in #e hates ubuntu so progress is slow lol | 15:33 |
| jussi | hehe | 15:34 |
| astraljava | Just to clarify, we're talking about E17, right? ;) | 15:36 |
| _pg_ | astraljava: yessir | 15:37 |
| RemunJ66 | problem(s) upgrading to 10.04. No desktop, just black terminal screen :-\ | 19:21 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:25 |
| RemunJ66 | sorry? i am sort of newbie to linux problems | 19:29 |
| RemunJ66 | pastebin?? | 19:30 |
| astraljava | !pastebin | 19:30 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 19:30 |
| RemunJ66 | OK, but i can´t copy anything from a terminalsreen at my laptop to my desktop, or can i?? | 19:34 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Networking still works, right? | 19:38 |
| RemunJ66 | I may hope so, but network means desktop, shared folders, printer and laptop | 19:40 |
| RemunJ66 | Just upgraded my laptop from 9.10 to 10.04 Ubuntu Studio LTS | 19:40 |
| RemunJ66 | Can not access graphical desktop on my laptop | 19:42 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Are you machines in the same subnet? You could scp the file over to your desktop. | 19:44 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: For that you need openssh-server installed on the desktop machine, of course. | 19:45 |
| astraljava | !pastebinit | 19:46 |
| ubottu | pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com | 19:46 |
| RemunJ66 | Shall try a clean install and will come back later, ok? | 19:46 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Might not fix the issue, if it's driver-related. :) | 19:47 |
| RemunJ66 | ok astraljava, you have my attention | 19:47 |
| RemunJ66 | How can i check if openssh-server is on my desktop and how futher? | 19:48 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Read the message from ubottu a few lines above, helps you pastebin the file from the laptop. | 19:48 |
| Dwel | when I installed and got a black terminal screen I typed startx | 19:50 |
| RemunJ66 | pastebin: command not found | 19:50 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: sudo apt-get install pastebinit | 19:51 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Please read the instructions all the way. | 19:51 |
| RemunJ66 | what instructions, i just installed pastebinit succesfully i may hope ;-) | 19:54 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: I meant the ubottu message. :) | 19:54 |
| RemunJ66 | can not read ubottu message, why?? Is it xchat gnome? | 19:58 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Nevermind. Now that you have pastebinit installed, do: | 19:58 |
| astraljava | $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com | 19:59 |
| RemunJ66 | just typed ¨patebinit Xorg.0.log¨ at /var/log$ prompt, was that right to do? | 19:59 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Please read above your latest line. | 20:02 |
| RemunJ66 | type mistake you mean? I typed pastebinit Xorg.0.log | 20:03 |
| astraljava | $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com | 20:03 |
| RemunJ66 | http://pastbin.com/yfiYu2u2 shows my Xorg.0.log file | 20:26 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: I'm sorry, but it's an empty page. Was there something wrong with the command I listed above, or did you not try it? | 20:27 |
| RemunJ66 | http://pastebin.com/yfiYu2U2 shows it here, but i can download it for you? | 20:31 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: No need, now I see it. | 20:32 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Hmm... seems to cut off in midst. What graphics card do you have? | 20:36 |
| RemunJ66 | What is in one capital letter, is it :-) | 20:36 |
| RemunJ66 | I will be back in about half an hour | 20:39 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: I need to get some sleep before that, so I hope you get someone else to help you. Good luck! | 20:41 |
| astraljava | RemunJ66: Might wanna check out this page when you return: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464239 | 20:47 |
| RemunJ66 | Thanx for your excellent help so far astraljava. I shall check the last link you mentioned. | 21:18 |
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