[02:17] <sain> I need help with upgrade from ubuntu 10.04
[02:18] <holstein> how so?
[02:18] <sain> #ubuntu
[02:18] <holstein> what are you running now?
[02:18] <holstein> karmic?
[02:18] <sain> Lucid
[02:18] <holstein> OH
[02:18] <holstein> gotcha
[02:19] <holstein> sain: are you familiar with synaptic?
[02:19] <sain> i want to get studio desktop studio on lucid
[02:20] <holstein>  yes
[02:20] <holstein> BUT, are you familiar with synaptic?
[02:20] <holstein> synaptic package manager?
[02:20] <holstein> OR do you use the software center
[02:20] <holstein> ?
[02:20] <sain> Yes i am. here is the thing though...
[02:21] <holstein> OK
[02:21] <holstein> in synaptci
[02:21] <holstein> synaptic*
[02:21] <holstein> just search ubuntustudio
[02:21] <holstein> and you'll see all the meta-packages
[02:21] <holstein> and you can read about them
[02:21] <holstein> ALSO
[02:21] <sain> I tried studio 10.04 but had networking problems
[02:21] <sain> Network manager wasn't installed by default
[02:21] <holstein> yup
[02:22] <sain> so i installed Ubuntu 10.04 and want to upgrade from there
[02:22] <holstein> ALSO read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[02:22] <holstein> and
[02:22] <holstein> OOPS
[02:22] <holstein> not that one
[02:22] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[02:22] <holstein> that one :)
[02:22] <holstein> and
[02:22] <holstein> !vanilla
[02:23] <holstein> sain: are you interested in audio or video?
[02:23] <holstein> or both?
[02:23] <sain> both.
[02:23] <sain> I fear i have same networking issues after upgrade
[02:24] <sain> so ..in the event that u get networking issues, is it possible to undo an upgrade?
[02:25] <sain> excuse my typos
[02:25] <holstein> no worries
[02:25] <holstein> well
[02:25] <holstein> this is just like adding software
[02:25] <holstein> you dont have to add it all
[02:25] <holstein> the themes and wheat-not
[02:25] <holstein> you dont HAVE to install any of it
[02:25] <holstein> if you just want the GIMP
[02:25] <holstein> just install the GIMP
[02:26] <sain> but i like the look and feel of studio
[02:26] <holstein> OK
[02:26] <holstein> IN THEORY
[02:26] <sain> i just want to get the desktop environment.
[02:26] <holstein> you can sudo apt-get auto-remove ubuntustudio-*whatever_meta_package
[02:26] <holstein> hmmm
[02:27] <holstein> sain: you might just want to search gnome-look
[02:27] <holstein> OR some other theme site
[02:27] <holstein> might be easier
[02:27] <holstein> just be sure you read about all those packages
[02:27] <holstein> i think you just want ubuntustudio-desktop
[02:27] <holstein> BUT im not sure
[02:27] <sain> thanks. and did you also experience network manager missing?
[02:28] <holstein> i just get the audio apps myself
[02:28] <holstein> sain: AFAIK
[02:28] <holstein> its not in there
[02:28] <holstein> because it can conflict with audio interfaces
[02:29] <sain> ohh
[02:30] <sain> then how do u get it if you dont have internet connection in the first place?
[02:30] <sain> IAW cant run synaptic
[02:38] <holstein> OK
[02:38] <holstein> sain: you see that other link?
[02:39] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[02:39] <sain> yes
[02:39] <holstein> in there is an explaination about how to use a CD as the repo
[02:39] <holstein> SO you can install from synaptic using the ubuntustudio DVD
[02:39] <holstein> in theory
[02:39]  * holstein has never tried it
[02:40] <holstein> ive just always had internet
[02:41] <sain> holstein: i forgot to mention that the install of Network manager from the DVD failed
[02:42] <sain> i kept getting errors saying to place studio dvd in rom. it was already there
[02:43] <holstein> yeah
[02:43] <sain> tried for 3 hours and gave up.
[02:43] <holstein> you are missing nm-applet
[02:43] <holstein> i bet
[02:43] <holstein> BUT im not sure
[02:45] <sain> I'm missing that too. network manger package was missing.
[02:45] <sain> I'll try installing studio desktop over Lucid and see what happens
[02:48] <sain> my only concern is in case i screw up, will i restore my original settings when i uninstall studio desktop?!
[02:53] <holstein> sain: in theory
[02:53] <holstein> you should onlly be getting themes
[02:53] <holstein> and wallpapers
[02:54] <holstein> and should be able to remove them no problem
[02:54] <sain> holstein: thanks
[04:07] <Xase> Hey anyone alive here?
[04:07] <holstein> Xase: whats up?
[04:08] <Xase> Well I am trying to set up a ubuntu studio guest in Vbox so I can test some of the products with out mucking up my current ubuntu install... but when I go to install guest additions, it says It cant build the kernel modules as it cant find the source.
[04:09] <holstein> hmm
[04:09] <holstein> Xase: why do you want guest additions?
[04:09] <Xase> Acidentally selected jackd realtime kernel at setup... dunno if that's the problem, and why it can't find it.
[04:09] <Xase> Full screen capabilities.
[04:09] <holstein> hmmm
[04:09] <Xase> 1024x768 kills me.
[04:10] <holstein> i havnet tried to get the guest additions installed in lucid
[04:10] <holstein> it would be the same as vanilla ubuntu
[04:10] <holstein> OR should be
[04:10] <holstein> AND
[04:10] <holstein> you just go to qjackctl
[04:10] <holstein> and you can uncheck the realtime option
[04:10] <holstein> hmmm
[04:10] <Xase> But doesn't it go to realtime kernel now... or is the realtime kernel default anyways?
[04:11] <holstein> Xase: you know much about jack?
[04:11] <holstein> Xase: RT kernel is not default
[04:11] <holstein> i would say only install it if you need it
[04:11] <holstein> you might be cool with the generic one
[04:11] <Xase> No. Not much really outside of knowing i've used it indirectly I believe.
[04:11] <Xase> I think I should be cool with generic... but it lists the rt kernel in my kernel sources directory under /usr/src/linux
[04:12] <Xase> That was the cause of my trepidation in working out a solution on my own.
[04:12] <holstein> what about uname -a ?
[04:12] <Xase> Booting up as we speak.
[04:15] <Xase> The gdm background is rather trippy. who designed it?
[04:15] <holstein> not sure
[04:15] <holstein> i've always really enjoyed the ubuntustudio art
[04:15] <Xase> Yeah me as well.
[04:15] <Xase> It's running Generic.
[04:16] <holstein> yea
[04:16] <holstein> h
[04:16] <holstein> SO
[04:16] <Xase> But it still reports unable to build kernels...
[04:16] <holstein> if you dont need it
[04:16] <holstein> you dont need it
[04:16] <holstein> you can just do sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[04:16] <holstein> if you need it
[04:16] <holstein> AND edit grub2
[04:16] <holstein> !grub2
[04:16] <Xase> Do I need more than the headers and build-essential to compile a kernel module?
[04:17] <holstein> hmmm
[04:17] <holstein> i wouldnt think so
[04:17] <holstein> BUT i usually just apt-get the whole package
[04:17] <holstein> and i havent built one on my own yet
[04:19] <Xase> Well I don't need to build one. Virtualbox Guest Additions install just needs to be able to build a module... perhaps a lack of DKMS or something or other?
[04:19] <holstein> im not sure
[04:19] <holstein> i tried in karmic
[04:19] <holstein> to get compiz going under virtualbox
[04:19] <holstein> in snow leopard
[04:20] <Xase> Snow Leopard?
[04:20] <holstein> and i gave up after a bit
[04:20] <Xase> Running Compiz?
[04:20] <holstein> OSX
[04:20] <Xase> Ah
[04:20] <Xase> Ok
[04:20] <Xase> Phew.
[04:20] <holstein> with lucid as a guest
[04:20] <holstein> running compiz
[04:20] <Xase> I thought someone finally accomplished a way to fully install a mac os x guest in vbox.
[04:20] <holstein> i did get the guest additions installed though
[04:21] <holstein> and i didnt do anything crazy
[04:21] <Xase> Hmm
[04:21] <holstein> i just ran the script
[04:21] <Xase> Well this eats chunks...
[04:21] <holstein> on the guest additions ISO
[04:21] <holstein> in xubuntu 9.10
[04:21] <holstein> and mint
[04:21] <holstein> i want to say that was jaunty based
[04:23] <holstein> are you getting an error when you run the script?
[04:23] <Xase> Yes
[04:23] <holstein> drag
[04:23] <holstein> can you try again
[04:23] <Xase> Did
[04:23] <holstein> and pastebin it?
[04:23] <Xase> Several times
[04:23] <Xase> Sure
[04:23] <holstein> the output?
[04:26] <Xase> ow.ly/1G64A I believe should get you there
[04:27] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/agM9Wac1
[04:27] <holstein> i think you should paste that in a normal support channel too
[04:27] <holstein> you got a LOCO?
[04:27] <holstein> where are you?
[04:27] <holstein> #ubuntu is a mess
[04:28] <Xase> I am US > Mass
[04:28] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[04:28] <holstein> yup
[04:29] <holstein> #ubuntu-us-ma
[04:29] <holstein> AND
[04:30] <holstein> Xase: i think we need /var/log/vboxadd-install.log too
[04:31] <holstein> i bet this is a lucid support issue
[04:31] <holstein> in virtualbox
[04:31] <holstein> Xase: is this windows?
[04:31] <holstein> do you have the latest Vbox version?
[04:31] <holstein> lucid just went final thursday
[04:31] <Xase> kk
[04:32] <Xase> That is the install log.
[04:32] <Xase> Yeah
[09:52] <psidrum> my audio stopped working, when i try to play a music it says Failed to connect: Connection refused
[10:25] <narendra> HI everybody..
[10:26] <narendra> I want to ask the feedback on Big Live DVD and its disadvanges
[10:26] <narendra> may you give the your experience
[10:27] <narendra> I belongs to India, and we are preparing custom live DVD of Linux... I want to know what can be the disadvantages,,
[10:28] <narendra> how can i contact main developers and users ?
[10:30] <narendra> ?????????/
[11:07] <jussi> narendra: our DVD is not a live DVD.
[11:10] <narendra> Yes, I know,, but I am creating a Live DVD based on Live CD of ubuntu, this is going to distribute hundreds of students, now, I am asking for potential diadvantages
[11:11] <narendra> jussi, ..|
[11:11] <narendra> jussi, I am asking to share Or give feedback for this purpose based on ubuntu studio experience
[11:11] <jussi> narendra: large download size, need to have  dvd handy...
[11:11] <astraljava> narendra: I think he meant that you're asking in the wrong channel, try the plain Ubuntu devs.
[11:12] <astraljava> Oh, okay. Sorry I misunderstood.
[11:12] <narendra> astraljava, but I am was asking like having a BigDVD , how it will behave on 512Mb ram
[11:12] <narendra> astraljava, which most of the school have
[11:13] <narendra> astraljava, also, I am making a mannal for creating live usb... for for creating a live usb, I have to give then iso image inside DVD
[11:13] <astraljava> narendra: DVD versus CD doesn't matter there, it's all about how big a chunk needs to be loaded into the memory.
[11:14] <narendra> astraljava, See, my custom live DVD is having almost all packages which a student needs, and current size is 2.1GB and expected to grow upto 2.5GB
[11:14] <narendra> http://schoolos.org
[11:15] <astraljava> narendra: I'd expect a lot of swapping then, but again I'm not an expert on live systems, as we don't do that here.
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, So booting from USB will fast,,
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, what u think?
[11:16] <narendra> astraljava, but I afraid , school hardware will support usb booting or not....
[11:17] <astraljava> narendra: That's the tricky part, yes, most older hardware might not support that function.
[11:18] <astraljava> narendra: But I'm not sure how well a live system will work on 512MB RAM anyway. You might wanna ask for experiences from the measurements from the vanilla Ubuntu devs.
[11:19] <narendra> astraljava, where i can find them?
[11:19] <astraljava> narendra: To me it sounds like a problem. But what do I know.
[11:19] <Blank__> you can't pull off a liveCD environment with 512MB ram without it being very sluggish after only a few programs are opened
[11:20] <astraljava> narendra: You can ask for further pointers in #ubuntu-devel.
[11:20] <Blank__> i'm thinking in terms of a full gnome environment, though
[11:21] <narendra> astraljava, thanks,, asking -devel list
[11:21] <astraljava> Blank__: Well, from the aforementioned website: School OS is complete and fully functional operating system based on the Gnome window managers
[11:22] <Blank__> hmm... that would be a problem if RAM is in short supply
[11:23] <Blank__> for instance, this old laptop has 448MB ram and it was hopeless with gnome (on a proper install), so I ended up switching to XFCE then LXDE
[11:23] <astraljava> Yeah, I can imagine so much of swapping, it's not even funny.
[11:24] <Blank__> i can run gimp and a few other things at once, but even under LXDE things get very slow
[11:25] <Blank__> i barely use firefox because of how much ram it uses
[11:28] <narendra> Blank__, Thanks for input,, I am looking for network install methods.. too
[12:17] <Blank__> good luck narendra, glad to see people working on this sort of thing
[12:20] <narendra> Blank__, thanks, My only problem how to make the live DVD bootable on small ram like 512 MB ram  .....
[12:27] <psidrum> wineasio included in next ubuntustudio?
[12:27] <Blank__> narendra, it would probably require a lot of changes to the stock gnome desktop
[12:28] <narendra> Blank__, I am not intending for lot of changes, Intension is to install SchoolOS in all indian schools..
[12:29] <Blank__> narendra, things like stopping certain services from running... i don't know much about the workings of gnome sadly
[12:30] <narendra> Blank__, ok ,,  I got your point !
[12:30] <Blank__> narendra, were you intending on including openoffice?
[12:31] <narendra> Blank__, yes, visit http://schoolos.org
[12:32] <Blank__> narendra, that could be a problem... whenever i open up the word processor my system gets very slow
[12:34] <narendra> Blank__, case 1 - booting from live CD which has openoffice   case 2 - booting from live CD which has openoffice and openning it
[12:34] <narendra> Blank__, are both same things ?
[12:35] <narendra> Blank__, ln boot time and general speed
[12:35] <Blank__> there's no problem with having openoffice on the cd, but the system would get slower when opening it
[12:43] <Blank__> i just ran it on my other computer, which is much faster and better, and openoffice writer took up 15MB of memory, so it's probably not a problem, narendra
[12:45] <narendra> Blank__, ok
[12:46] <astraljava> 31179 jaska     20   0  173m  57m  43m S    0  2.9   0:01.30 soffice.bin
[12:46] <astraljava> Considerably more than 15MB.
[12:47] <astraljava> Resident is 57MB, 43MB shared.
[12:47] <astraljava> $ cat /etc/lsb-release: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04
[12:49] <mrAZ> hello, i have freezing ubuntu studio 10.04 installation with rt kernel. any issues known ?
[12:55] <astraljava> mrAZ: I'd suggest filing a bug about it, no issues known, thus no workarounds.
[13:00] <astraljava> mrAZ: Which version of linux-rt are you using?
[13:01] <mrAZ> 2.6.31-10-rt
[13:02] <mrAZ> there is message after grub menu : mounting none on /dev failed
[13:03] <mrAZ> then it boots, but after 5min or so freezes. i tried to not install any 2d/3d audio and video software - as minimal as possible
[13:06] <astraljava> mrAZ: Not sure what the status of rt kernel is at the moment, so like I said, file a bug and let's see what kind of commentary we get there from the dev.
[13:08] <mrAZ> i will try to write some diagnostic logging to see first what part of system cuses that. i am used to debian only, has ubuntu some special lastlog settings ?
[13:09] <astraljava> mrAZ: Not that I know of, but you could try asking from some devs about it.
[13:14] <Blank__> astraljava, i stand corrected... i wonder why it was so small on my other computer
[13:17] <astraljava> Blank__: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Maybe they have tweaked it for better performance.
[13:18] <Blank__> Ubuntu Studio 10.04 RC is what was on it at the time
[13:20] <mrAZ> which nvidia should i choose for geforce 9500 gt ? i suspect graphics to cause freezing.
[13:21] <astraljava> mrAZ: You mean the graphics driver? Have you tried nouveau?
[13:22] <mrAZ> i will try it
[15:30] <_pg_> does anyone use ubuntu studio and E?
[15:32] <jussi> _pg_: dont tempt me with such easy ones :P
[15:32] <jussi> _pg_: but I dont. do you have an issue you would like to ask about?
[15:33] <_pg_> jussi: just wondering if anyone does it, I have it going but have all kinds of silly problems. E is just so gorgeous...and everyone in #ubuntu hates E and everyone in #e hates ubuntu so progress is slow lol
[15:34] <jussi> hehe
[15:36] <astraljava> Just to clarify, we're talking about E17, right? ;)
[15:37] <_pg_> astraljava: yessir
[19:21] <RemunJ66> problem(s) upgrading to 10.04. No desktop, just black terminal screen :-\
[19:25] <astraljava> RemunJ66: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:29] <RemunJ66> sorry? i am sort of newbie to linux problems
[19:30] <RemunJ66> pastebin??
[19:30] <astraljava> !pastebin
[19:34] <RemunJ66> OK, but i can´t copy anything from a terminalsreen at my laptop to my desktop, or can i??
[19:38] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Networking still works, right?
[19:40] <RemunJ66> I may hope so, but network means desktop, shared folders, printer and laptop
[19:40] <RemunJ66> Just upgraded my laptop from 9.10 to 10.04 Ubuntu Studio LTS
[19:42] <RemunJ66> Can not access graphical desktop on my laptop
[19:44] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Are you machines in the same subnet? You could scp the file over to your desktop.
[19:45] <astraljava> RemunJ66: For that you need openssh-server installed on the desktop machine, of course.
[19:46] <astraljava> !pastebinit
[19:46] <RemunJ66> Shall try a clean install and will come back later, ok?
[19:47] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Might not fix the issue, if it's driver-related. :)
[19:47] <RemunJ66> ok astraljava, you have my attention
[19:48] <RemunJ66> How can i check if openssh-server is on my desktop and how futher?
[19:48] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Read the message from ubottu a few lines above, helps you pastebin the file from the laptop.
[19:50] <Dwel> when I installed and got a black terminal screen I typed startx
[19:50] <RemunJ66> pastebin: command not found
[19:51] <astraljava> RemunJ66: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:51] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Please read the instructions all the way.
[19:54] <RemunJ66> what instructions, i just installed pastebinit succesfully i may hope ;-)
[19:54] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I meant the ubottu message. :)
[19:58] <RemunJ66> can not read ubottu message, why?? Is it xchat gnome?
[19:58] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Nevermind. Now that you have pastebinit installed, do:
[19:59] <astraljava> $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:59] <RemunJ66> just typed ¨patebinit Xorg.0.log¨ at /var/log$ prompt, was that right to do?
[20:02] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Please read above your latest line.
[20:03] <RemunJ66> type mistake you mean? I typed pastebinit Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <astraljava> $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:26] <RemunJ66> http://pastbin.com/yfiYu2u2 shows my Xorg.0.log file
[20:27] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I'm sorry, but it's an empty page. Was there something wrong with the command I listed above, or did you not try it?
[20:31] <RemunJ66> http://pastebin.com/yfiYu2U2 shows it here, but i can download it for you?
[20:32] <astraljava> RemunJ66: No need, now I see it.
[20:36] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Hmm... seems to cut off in midst. What graphics card do you have?
[20:36] <RemunJ66> What is in one capital letter, is it :-)
[20:39] <RemunJ66> I will be back in about half an hour
[20:41] <astraljava> RemunJ66: I need to get some sleep before that, so I hope you get someone else to help you. Good luck!
[20:47] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Might wanna check out this page when you return: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464239
[21:18] <RemunJ66> Thanx for your excellent help so far astraljava. I shall check the last link you mentioned.