[02:17] I need help with upgrade from ubuntu 10.04 [02:18] how so? [02:18] #ubuntu [02:18] what are you running now? [02:18] karmic? [02:18] Lucid [02:18] OH [02:18] gotcha [02:19] sain: are you familiar with synaptic? [02:19] i want to get studio desktop studio on lucid [02:20] yes [02:20] BUT, are you familiar with synaptic? [02:20] synaptic package manager? [02:20] OR do you use the software center [02:20] ? [02:20] Yes i am. here is the thing though... [02:21] OK [02:21] in synaptci [02:21] synaptic* [02:21] just search ubuntustudio [02:21] and you'll see all the meta-packages [02:21] and you can read about them [02:21] ALSO [02:21] I tried studio 10.04 but had networking problems [02:21] Network manager wasn't installed by default [02:21] yup [02:22] so i installed Ubuntu 10.04 and want to upgrade from there [02:22] ALSO read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [02:22] and [02:22] OOPS [02:22] not that one [02:22] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation [02:22] that one :) [02:22] and [02:22] !vanilla [02:22] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [02:23] sain: are you interested in audio or video? [02:23] or both? [02:23] both. [02:23] I fear i have same networking issues after upgrade [02:24] so ..in the event that u get networking issues, is it possible to undo an upgrade? [02:25] excuse my typos [02:25] no worries [02:25] well [02:25] this is just like adding software [02:25] you dont have to add it all [02:25] the themes and wheat-not [02:25] you dont HAVE to install any of it [02:25] if you just want the GIMP [02:25] just install the GIMP [02:26] but i like the look and feel of studio [02:26] OK [02:26] IN THEORY [02:26] i just want to get the desktop environment. [02:26] you can sudo apt-get auto-remove ubuntustudio-*whatever_meta_package [02:26] hmmm [02:27] sain: you might just want to search gnome-look [02:27] OR some other theme site [02:27] might be easier [02:27] just be sure you read about all those packages [02:27] i think you just want ubuntustudio-desktop [02:27] BUT im not sure [02:27] thanks. and did you also experience network manager missing? [02:28] i just get the audio apps myself [02:28] sain: AFAIK [02:28] its not in there [02:28] because it can conflict with audio interfaces [02:29] ohh [02:30] then how do u get it if you dont have internet connection in the first place? [02:30] IAW cant run synaptic [02:38] OK [02:38] sain: you see that other link? [02:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [02:39] yes [02:39] in there is an explaination about how to use a CD as the repo [02:39] SO you can install from synaptic using the ubuntustudio DVD [02:39] in theory [02:39] * holstein has never tried it [02:40] ive just always had internet [02:41] holstein: i forgot to mention that the install of Network manager from the DVD failed [02:42] i kept getting errors saying to place studio dvd in rom. it was already there [02:43] yeah [02:43] tried for 3 hours and gave up. [02:43] you are missing nm-applet [02:43] i bet [02:43] BUT im not sure [02:45] I'm missing that too. network manger package was missing. [02:45] I'll try installing studio desktop over Lucid and see what happens [02:48] my only concern is in case i screw up, will i restore my original settings when i uninstall studio desktop?! [02:53] sain: in theory [02:53] you should onlly be getting themes [02:53] and wallpapers [02:54] and should be able to remove them no problem [02:54] holstein: thanks [04:07] Hey anyone alive here? [04:07] Xase: whats up? [04:08] Well I am trying to set up a ubuntu studio guest in Vbox so I can test some of the products with out mucking up my current ubuntu install... but when I go to install guest additions, it says It cant build the kernel modules as it cant find the source. [04:09] hmm [04:09] Xase: why do you want guest additions? [04:09] Acidentally selected jackd realtime kernel at setup... dunno if that's the problem, and why it can't find it. [04:09] Full screen capabilities. [04:09] hmmm [04:09] 1024x768 kills me. [04:10] i havnet tried to get the guest additions installed in lucid [04:10] it would be the same as vanilla ubuntu [04:10] OR should be [04:10] AND [04:10] you just go to qjackctl [04:10] and you can uncheck the realtime option [04:10] hmmm [04:10] But doesn't it go to realtime kernel now... or is the realtime kernel default anyways? [04:11] Xase: you know much about jack? [04:11] Xase: RT kernel is not default [04:11] i would say only install it if you need it [04:11] you might be cool with the generic one [04:11] No. Not much really outside of knowing i've used it indirectly I believe. [04:11] I think I should be cool with generic... but it lists the rt kernel in my kernel sources directory under /usr/src/linux [04:12] That was the cause of my trepidation in working out a solution on my own. [04:12] what about uname -a ? [04:12] Booting up as we speak. [04:15] The gdm background is rather trippy. who designed it? [04:15] not sure [04:15] i've always really enjoyed the ubuntustudio art [04:15] Yeah me as well. [04:15] It's running Generic. [04:16] yea [04:16] h [04:16] SO [04:16] But it still reports unable to build kernels... [04:16] if you dont need it [04:16] you dont need it [04:16] you can just do sudo apt-get install linux-rt [04:16] if you need it [04:16] AND edit grub2 [04:16] !grub2 [04:16] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [04:16] Do I need more than the headers and build-essential to compile a kernel module? [04:17] hmmm [04:17] i wouldnt think so [04:17] BUT i usually just apt-get the whole package [04:17] and i havent built one on my own yet [04:19] Well I don't need to build one. Virtualbox Guest Additions install just needs to be able to build a module... perhaps a lack of DKMS or something or other? [04:19] im not sure [04:19] i tried in karmic [04:19] to get compiz going under virtualbox [04:19] in snow leopard [04:20] Snow Leopard? [04:20] and i gave up after a bit [04:20] Running Compiz? [04:20] OSX [04:20] Ah [04:20] Ok [04:20] Phew. [04:20] with lucid as a guest [04:20] running compiz [04:20] I thought someone finally accomplished a way to fully install a mac os x guest in vbox. [04:20] i did get the guest additions installed though [04:21] and i didnt do anything crazy [04:21] Hmm [04:21] i just ran the script [04:21] Well this eats chunks... [04:21] on the guest additions ISO [04:21] in xubuntu 9.10 [04:21] and mint [04:21] i want to say that was jaunty based [04:23] are you getting an error when you run the script? [04:23] Yes [04:23] drag [04:23] can you try again [04:23] Did [04:23] and pastebin it? [04:23] Several times [04:23] Sure [04:23] the output? [04:26] ow.ly/1G64A I believe should get you there [04:27] http://pastebin.com/agM9Wac1 [04:27] i think you should paste that in a normal support channel too [04:27] you got a LOCO? [04:27] where are you? [04:27] #ubuntu is a mess [04:28] I am US > Mass [04:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [04:28] yup [04:29] #ubuntu-us-ma [04:29] AND [04:30] Xase: i think we need /var/log/vboxadd-install.log too [04:31] i bet this is a lucid support issue [04:31] in virtualbox [04:31] Xase: is this windows? [04:31] do you have the latest Vbox version? [04:31] lucid just went final thursday [04:31] kk [04:32] That is the install log. [04:32] Yeah === Xase is now known as xase-brb [09:52] my audio stopped working, when i try to play a music it says Failed to connect: Connection refused [10:25] HI everybody.. [10:26] I want to ask the feedback on Big Live DVD and its disadvanges [10:26] may you give the your experience [10:27] I belongs to India, and we are preparing custom live DVD of Linux... I want to know what can be the disadvantages,, [10:28] how can i contact main developers and users ? [10:30] ?????????/ [11:07] narendra: our DVD is not a live DVD. [11:10] Yes, I know,, but I am creating a Live DVD based on Live CD of ubuntu, this is going to distribute hundreds of students, now, I am asking for potential diadvantages [11:11] jussi, ..| [11:11] jussi, I am asking to share Or give feedback for this purpose based on ubuntu studio experience [11:11] narendra: large download size, need to have dvd handy... [11:11] narendra: I think he meant that you're asking in the wrong channel, try the plain Ubuntu devs. [11:12] Oh, okay. Sorry I misunderstood. [11:12] astraljava, but I am was asking like having a BigDVD , how it will behave on 512Mb ram [11:12] astraljava, which most of the school have [11:13] astraljava, also, I am making a mannal for creating live usb... for for creating a live usb, I have to give then iso image inside DVD [11:13] narendra: DVD versus CD doesn't matter there, it's all about how big a chunk needs to be loaded into the memory. [11:14] astraljava, See, my custom live DVD is having almost all packages which a student needs, and current size is 2.1GB and expected to grow upto 2.5GB [11:14] http://schoolos.org [11:15] narendra: I'd expect a lot of swapping then, but again I'm not an expert on live systems, as we don't do that here. [11:16] astraljava, So booting from USB will fast,, [11:16] astraljava, what u think? [11:16] astraljava, but I afraid , school hardware will support usb booting or not.... [11:17] narendra: That's the tricky part, yes, most older hardware might not support that function. [11:18] narendra: But I'm not sure how well a live system will work on 512MB RAM anyway. You might wanna ask for experiences from the measurements from the vanilla Ubuntu devs. [11:19] astraljava, where i can find them? [11:19] narendra: To me it sounds like a problem. But what do I know. [11:19] you can't pull off a liveCD environment with 512MB ram without it being very sluggish after only a few programs are opened [11:20] narendra: You can ask for further pointers in #ubuntu-devel. [11:20] i'm thinking in terms of a full gnome environment, though [11:21] astraljava, thanks,, asking -devel list [11:21] Blank__: Well, from the aforementioned website: School OS is complete and fully functional operating system based on the Gnome window managers [11:22] hmm... that would be a problem if RAM is in short supply [11:23] for instance, this old laptop has 448MB ram and it was hopeless with gnome (on a proper install), so I ended up switching to XFCE then LXDE [11:23] Yeah, I can imagine so much of swapping, it's not even funny. [11:24] i can run gimp and a few other things at once, but even under LXDE things get very slow [11:25] i barely use firefox because of how much ram it uses [11:28] Blank__, Thanks for input,, I am looking for network install methods.. too [12:17] good luck narendra, glad to see people working on this sort of thing [12:20] Blank__, thanks, My only problem how to make the live DVD bootable on small ram like 512 MB ram ..... [12:27] wineasio included in next ubuntustudio? [12:27] narendra, it would probably require a lot of changes to the stock gnome desktop [12:28] Blank__, I am not intending for lot of changes, Intension is to install SchoolOS in all indian schools.. [12:29] narendra, things like stopping certain services from running... i don't know much about the workings of gnome sadly [12:30] Blank__, ok ,, I got your point ! [12:30] narendra, were you intending on including openoffice? [12:31] Blank__, yes, visit http://schoolos.org [12:32] narendra, that could be a problem... whenever i open up the word processor my system gets very slow [12:34] Blank__, case 1 - booting from live CD which has openoffice case 2 - booting from live CD which has openoffice and openning it [12:34] Blank__, are both same things ? [12:35] Blank__, ln boot time and general speed [12:35] there's no problem with having openoffice on the cd, but the system would get slower when opening it [12:43] i just ran it on my other computer, which is much faster and better, and openoffice writer took up 15MB of memory, so it's probably not a problem, narendra [12:45] Blank__, ok [12:46] 31179 jaska 20 0 173m 57m 43m S 0 2.9 0:01.30 soffice.bin [12:46] Considerably more than 15MB. [12:47] Resident is 57MB, 43MB shared. [12:47] $ cat /etc/lsb-release: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04 [12:49] hello, i have freezing ubuntu studio 10.04 installation with rt kernel. any issues known ? [12:55] mrAZ: I'd suggest filing a bug about it, no issues known, thus no workarounds. [13:00] mrAZ: Which version of linux-rt are you using? [13:01] 2.6.31-10-rt [13:02] there is message after grub menu : mounting none on /dev failed [13:03] then it boots, but after 5min or so freezes. i tried to not install any 2d/3d audio and video software - as minimal as possible [13:06] mrAZ: Not sure what the status of rt kernel is at the moment, so like I said, file a bug and let's see what kind of commentary we get there from the dev. [13:08] i will try to write some diagnostic logging to see first what part of system cuses that. i am used to debian only, has ubuntu some special lastlog settings ? [13:09] mrAZ: Not that I know of, but you could try asking from some devs about it. [13:14] astraljava, i stand corrected... i wonder why it was so small on my other computer [13:17] Blank__: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Maybe they have tweaked it for better performance. [13:18] Ubuntu Studio 10.04 RC is what was on it at the time [13:20] which nvidia should i choose for geforce 9500 gt ? i suspect graphics to cause freezing. [13:21] mrAZ: You mean the graphics driver? Have you tried nouveau? [13:22] i will try it [15:30] <_pg_> does anyone use ubuntu studio and E? [15:32] _pg_: dont tempt me with such easy ones :P [15:32] _pg_: but I dont. do you have an issue you would like to ask about? [15:33] <_pg_> jussi: just wondering if anyone does it, I have it going but have all kinds of silly problems. E is just so gorgeous...and everyone in #ubuntu hates E and everyone in #e hates ubuntu so progress is slow lol [15:34] hehe [15:36] Just to clarify, we're talking about E17, right? ;) [15:37] <_pg_> astraljava: yessir [19:21] problem(s) upgrading to 10.04. No desktop, just black terminal screen :-\ [19:25] RemunJ66: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:29] sorry? i am sort of newbie to linux problems [19:30] pastebin?? [19:30] !pastebin [19:30] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:34] OK, but i can´t copy anything from a terminalsreen at my laptop to my desktop, or can i?? [19:38] RemunJ66: Networking still works, right? [19:40] I may hope so, but network means desktop, shared folders, printer and laptop [19:40] Just upgraded my laptop from 9.10 to 10.04 Ubuntu Studio LTS [19:42] Can not access graphical desktop on my laptop [19:44] RemunJ66: Are you machines in the same subnet? You could scp the file over to your desktop. [19:45] RemunJ66: For that you need openssh-server installed on the desktop machine, of course. [19:46] !pastebinit [19:46] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [19:46] Shall try a clean install and will come back later, ok? [19:47] RemunJ66: Might not fix the issue, if it's driver-related. :) [19:47] ok astraljava, you have my attention [19:48] How can i check if openssh-server is on my desktop and how futher? [19:48] RemunJ66: Read the message from ubottu a few lines above, helps you pastebin the file from the laptop. [19:50] when I installed and got a black terminal screen I typed startx [19:50] pastebin: command not found [19:51] RemunJ66: sudo apt-get install pastebinit [19:51] RemunJ66: Please read the instructions all the way. [19:54] what instructions, i just installed pastebinit succesfully i may hope ;-) [19:54] RemunJ66: I meant the ubottu message. :) [19:58] can not read ubottu message, why?? Is it xchat gnome? [19:58] RemunJ66: Nevermind. Now that you have pastebinit installed, do: [19:59] $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [19:59] just typed ¨patebinit Xorg.0.log¨ at /var/log$ prompt, was that right to do? [20:02] RemunJ66: Please read above your latest line. [20:03] type mistake you mean? I typed pastebinit Xorg.0.log [20:03] $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [20:26] http://pastbin.com/yfiYu2u2 shows my Xorg.0.log file [20:27] RemunJ66: I'm sorry, but it's an empty page. Was there something wrong with the command I listed above, or did you not try it? [20:31] http://pastebin.com/yfiYu2U2 shows it here, but i can download it for you? [20:32] RemunJ66: No need, now I see it. [20:36] RemunJ66: Hmm... seems to cut off in midst. What graphics card do you have? [20:36] What is in one capital letter, is it :-) [20:39] I will be back in about half an hour [20:41] RemunJ66: I need to get some sleep before that, so I hope you get someone else to help you. Good luck! [20:47] RemunJ66: Might wanna check out this page when you return: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464239 [21:18] Thanx for your excellent help so far astraljava. I shall check the last link you mentioned.