[00:20] <linux0> hi
[00:36] <Aquina> 'lo
[01:40] <raevol> it looks like XDG_DATA_DIRS doesn't include /usr/share
[01:40] <raevol> should it?
[01:40] <raevol> i mean, /usr/local/share
[01:40] <raevol> it has /usr/share
[01:50] <raevol> does anyone know where the xdg environment variables get set in xubuntu?
[03:26] <xnoobtu> evenin everyone
[03:27] <xnoobtu> was hopin maybe I could find some help
[03:28] <xnoobtu> i think the install just answered my own question for me :) well thanks anyway. hope you all have a good night
[03:40] <Juanantonio> Hello. I would like to know some opinion on X10.04
[03:42] <Juanantonio> Is there someone?
[04:29] <neozen> greetings all
[04:40] <bcgrown> where are the xfce panel settings stored?  i just want to reset it to normal but removing ~/.config and ~/.cache didn't do it
[04:45] <moetunes> !resetpanel | bcgrown
[04:45] <moetunes> I think that works in xubuntu
[04:46] <moetunes> ...
[04:46] <_Techie_> moetunes, xfce4-panel
[04:47] <moetunes> so that bot link isn't for xubuntu then _Techie_ ?
[04:47] <_Techie_> nope
[04:47] <_Techie_> !xfce4
[04:48] <_Techie_> !xfce
[04:48] <_Techie_> !Xubuntu-channels
[04:49] <moetunes> just thought the bot links in here would be for xubuntu is all
[04:49] <_Techie_> some things are, but it iwll also use ubuntu factoids
[04:50] <bcgrown> so... nobody knows?
[04:50] <_Techie_> i could figure it out easy enough, but not whithout looking at an xubuntu system
[04:51] <bcgrown> what would you look for?
[04:51] <_Techie_> ~/.xfce4
[04:52] <bcgrown> yep, me too but there isn't one
[04:52] <moetunes> kill the panel then remove ~/.config/xfce/panel I thought
[04:52] <bcgrown> there's a ./config/xfce4 but removing did seem to do anything
[04:52] <bcgrown> maybe because i didn't kill the panel first
[04:52] <_Techie_> how did you kill your panels?
[04:52] <moetunes> did you kill the panel before removing it?]
[04:53] <_Techie_> sudo killall xfce4-panels && rm ~/.condig/xfce4 && xfce4-panels
[04:53] <_Techie_> config*
[04:54] <bcgrown> yep, that did it!
[04:54] <_Techie_> sudo killall xfce4-panels && rm ~/.config/xfce4 && xfce4-panels
[04:54] <bcgrown> i just did "killall xfce4-panel though
[04:54] <_Techie_> ahh
[04:54] <_Techie_> i see
[04:54] <bcgrown> thanks
[04:54] <_Techie_> you had removed the config fiel
[04:54] <_Techie_> but not fully killed the panels
[04:55] <bcgrown> yeah, it must've just re-written it when i logged out
[04:55] <bcgrown> i hate it when my computer outsmarts me
[04:55] <moetunes> heh
[04:55] <_Techie_> si there anyone onjline that can add to ubuntu's factoids?
[05:00] <_Techie_> what do people think of the case im getting on wednesday?
[05:00] <_Techie_> http://www.aywun.com/ProductDetails.asp?ID=88
[05:02] <bcgrown> ...functional
[05:02] <bcgrown> not a fan of windows
[05:02] <moetunes> I like mid sized cases-that looks cool :]
[05:14] <_Techie_> im getting that because its one of the few cases where all the internals are painted black aswell
[05:14] <bcgrown> does it come with a power supply
[05:14] <_Techie_> nah, i got my own PSU
[05:15] <_Techie_> a 500W im throwing in it
[05:15] <bcgrown> cool.  some of those included ones are shall we say... not so good
[05:15] <_Techie_> this isnt a good PSU anyway
[05:15] <_Techie_> im upgradign to a Vantech ION when i can afford it
[05:15] <bcgrown> some name brand ones aren't so good either: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410
[05:16] <bcgrown> might want to read through that before you buy a new one
[05:32] <neozen> I think I'll look @ xfce #6230 as a blessing in disguise ..... time to bone up on the mc shortcuts.
[05:34] <mkitef> Anyone able to help me debug a graphics problem preventing me logging in to my upgraded Lucid laptop?
[05:35] <_Techie_> please pastebin /var/log/xorg.log
[05:35] <_Techie_> !paste
[05:37] <mkitef> Having to run IRC on another machine as the textmode console resolution is wrong as well.  I'll try via ssh from this machine
[05:38] <raevol> does anyone know where the xdg environment variables get set in xubuntu?
[05:40] <mkitef> Sorry ubottu - I don't understand the reference to the channel topic.
[05:40] <raevol> i have a bug i need to file and i want to make sure i write it up correctly
[05:40] <mkitef> Sorry - ubotto I should have said - the laptop is Xubuntu Lucid
[05:41] <_Techie_> !ubottu
[05:42] <mkitef> Hi Techie - Xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/426803/
[05:44] <_Techie_> mkitef, does your screen support 800x600?
[05:45] <mkitef> Techie - should support 1024x768 I think as well as 800x600 - it's an old Toshiba R100
[05:45] <_Techie_> you may wish to try another screen
[05:45] <_Techie_> as theres no actual errors int xorg.log, but it is using a very low resolution
[05:45] <mkitef> Do you mean plug in an external monitor?
[05:46] <_Techie_> ... is this a laptop>
[05:46] <mkitef> Yes it's a laptop
[05:46] <_Techie_> excuse me while i run and hide in the corner, i hate graphics problems on laptope
[05:46] <_Techie_> laptops*
[05:47] <_Techie_> anyway
[05:47] <mkitef> I know what you mean - it was working in an interesting manner in Xubuntu Karmic, now I can't log in and the console mode if wrong
[05:47] <mkitef> ^h^h is wrong
[05:48] <_Techie_> you may need to use xrandr to change the resolution, or create an xorg.conf
[05:48] <_Techie_> !xrandr
[05:48] <_Techie_> !xorg
[05:48] <_Techie_> have fun
[05:52] <moetunes> mkitef: you need to make a xorg.conf and set better hsync and vrefresh settings
[05:53] <moetunes> line 214 suggests that
[05:53] <mkitef> I just tried running xrandr, but I get "Can't open display" error, even with sudo
[05:54] <moetunes> is X running?
[05:54] <mkitef> It was, then I tried after "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" and still got the same error
[05:55] <moetunes> well while X isn't running do   Xorg.configure   to make an xorg.conf.new in your home folder
[05:56] <moetunes> oops that should have been Xorg -configure mkitef
[05:56] <mkitef> Got a cannot move old log file error - will try as root
[06:00] <mkitef> No X server with errors: f000:50b4: 01 ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE!
[06:00] <mkitef> error setting MTRR (base = )x.......) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)
[06:01] <moetunes> trident cards do bite
[06:02] <moetunes> mkitef: try    killall -v X    and see if it was still running
[06:03] <mkitef> I'm going to try again over ssh so I can cut & paste the results
[06:03] <moetunes> k
[06:04] <mkitef> can't start X over ssh
[06:05] <moetunes> if you do the killall -v X on the lappy or through ssh does it say it was already dead?
[06:06] <mkitef> ssh says - user not authorised to run the X server (even with X11 tunnelling turned on)
[06:06] <moetunes> try it on the lappy and use sudo then
[06:09] <mkitef> trying X -config xorg.conf.new on the lappy returns blank screen of Ctl-Alt-F8, no change to text on Ctl-Alt-F7 and long text on console that ends in the error about illegal extended x86 Opcode and inappropriate ioctl
[06:11] <mkitef>   /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a line near the start Unable to locate/open config file: xorg.conf.new but I know the file is there
[06:11] <moetunes> the command   sudo Xorg -configure   on its' own make a file   xorg.conf.new   in your home folder that you can edit to add better vrefresh etc then move to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:19] <mkitef> Ok - now I get the Xorg.0.log generated and the usual errors about refresh rates.  The console still has the error about ILLEGAL X86 OPCODE
[06:24] <moetunes> mkitef: did you add to the vrefresh setting in the xorg.conf?
[06:25] <mkitef> trying - I added HorizSync 50-70 and VertRefresh 50-70.  Still getting the same errors.  Just googling for correct settings
[06:28] <moetunes> mkitef: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/4570/toshiba-tecra-m1-stuck-on-800x600-maximum-screen-resolution/
[06:28] <mkitef> Trying this one as well http://borderworlds.dk/writings/xorg.conf
[06:29] <mkitef> came from this site http://borderworlds.dk/writings/freebsd_on_toshiba_portege_r100.html which is the same model
[06:30] <moetunes> shold work but the vrefresh seems very high at 110
[06:30] <moetunes> s/shold/should
[06:32] <moetunes> the one I posted has the same vid card and a vrefresh rate of only 60
[06:33] <mkitef> I'll trying bringing it down
[06:33] <moetunes> high settings can fry the tft
[06:39] <mkitef> still doesn't seem to work - screen is black.  Xorg.0.log reports (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[06:41] <mkitef> Also found this: (--) TRIDENT(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) TRIDENT(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) TRIDENT(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
[06:43] <moetunes> can you paste that xorg.0.log mkitef ?
[06:45] <mkitef> pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/426825/
[06:47] <moetunes> k
[06:51] <mkitef> We have progress - I just rebooted and now the GDM login screen is the right resolution and so is the console mode.  However, I still can't login to the GUI
[06:52] <mkitef> Just did a "less Xorg.0.log" in the console and now the text goes off the bottom of the screen again :-(
[06:55] <moetunes> mkitef: I would change the vrefresh to 40-70 and hsync to 25-55 'cause the log still says they are out of range
[06:56] <mkitef> Currently in the log they say they are (II) TRIDENT(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.50-50.00 kHz (II) TRIDENT(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 43.00-60.00 Hz
[06:58] <moetunes> that's why I suggested  vrefresh to 40-70 and hsync to 25-55
[06:59] <moetunes> all we can do is change those until the "out of range" error goes and you get a gui
[07:03] <S0210> How do I remove "Wildbush" theme from the list in the Settings Menu? (It screws up my system.) What should I delete?
[07:03] <mkitef> still getting vrefresh out of range - should I be widening the range to allow more options or reducing the range to prevent it choosing the wrong ones?
[07:05] <moetunes> mkitef: slowly increase the upper setting - I would go 5 at a time
[07:09] <mkitef> So far - got vrefresh up to 90 and now only getting hsync errors - do I go up or down on that one?
[07:10] <mkitef> Current hsync = 25-55
[07:10] <moetunes> try upper limit up 5 at a time mkitef
[07:12] <S0210> How to start memenu from theterminal
[07:14] <mkitef> moetunes - hsync = 25-70, vrefresh=40-90.  No more out of range errors, but I do have "(II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)"
[07:15] <moetunes> mkitef: you might have to change the driver to vesa not trident then mate
[07:16] <moetunes> S0210: is wildbush in /usr/share themes?
[07:16] <moetunes> S0210: is wildbush in /usr/share/themes?
[07:17] <moetunes> sorry
[07:17] <mkitef> moetunes: tried vesa and got only top left quadrant of screen visible and still not logged in
[07:18] <moetunes> mkitef: paste the x log again and we'll see what it says
[07:18] <S0210> moetunes: yes, there is a directory like that. I just delete it, right?
[07:19] <moetunes> S0210: yep - you'll need admin rights tho
[07:20] <mkitef> moetunes: Xorg.0.log = http://paste.ubuntu.com/426840/
[07:21] <Peacimowen> So.. why would upgrading to 10.04 leave in graycale with a resolution that is lower than my actually display size? (meaning that the lower portion of my screen was below the bottom edge of the display)?
[07:21] <S0210> moetunes: thanks! :-)
[07:23] <Peacimowen> I scrapped Xubuntu completely as a result - it was really unusable and rather difficult to try to fix since I couldn't see half of what I was doing... but I'd like to find some kind of explanation.
[07:28] <moetunes> mkitef: seems it might be ddc module that's your prob line 150
[07:29] <moetunes> mkitef: try a reboot maybe
[07:29] <rshakin> hey ppl
[07:29] <rshakin> a quick question about dropbox
[07:30] <mkitef> moetunes: is there a way to disable ddc? - I don't see it named in xorg.conf
[07:30] <rshakin> for some reason when it's loading it makes my background flicker anyone else has the same issue in xubuntu
[07:30] <moetunes> (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Module "ddc" already built-in - would suggest not...
[07:31] <moetunes> mkitef: ^^
[07:31] <mkitef> Oh dear
[07:33] <moetunes> mkitef: that's only a guess - I can't see another reason  for it not going fullscreen
[07:33] <moetunes> tho
[07:35] <mkitef> moetunes: I get the ddc error under vesa & trident drivers from the beginning.  Reboot makes no difference unfortunately
[07:37] <moetunes> mkitef: that card is getting old now - xorg updates prob didn't take it into consideration - you might have to consider an older distribution for the lappy :{
[07:38] <mkitef> moetunes: trident gives me the right resolution for GDM but an error about (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan).  Whereas Vesa driver gives me no errors but the wrong resolution.  Both give me the ddc error.  You think it is an old card or old processor? - the error says "X86 EXTENDED OPCODE"
[07:40] <moetunes> mkitef: to be honest i don't know - it is the only error and it comes straight after the ddc module is loaded - so adding !=! gives...
[07:40] <moetunes> 1+1 I meant
[07:42] <mkitef> Cheers - I'll try googling the error - found 1 hit already, but doesn't seem to help http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=42872
[07:47] <moetunes> mkitef: he had a fix with   HorizSync 28.0 - 51.0   VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0
[07:50] <mkitef> That gets me the right resolution with the vesa driver - but still no login and still the ILLEGAL X86 EXTENDED OPCODE! error
[07:53] <moetunes> mkitef: mint would have been using older ubuntu stuff - might pay to see if lucid uses a newer Xorg then
[07:59] <mkitef> moetunes: tried tail -f Xorg.0.log during a login attempt:  got the error
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) Power Button: Close
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) Video Bus: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) Power Button: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) PS/2 Mouse: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> f000:50b4: 01 ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE!
[08:00] <mkitef>  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[08:03] <Sysi> pastebin please
[08:03] <mkitef> Sysi - sorry (new to irc)
[08:04] <moetunes> mkitef: the close bits would be because X was exiting
[08:08] <_Techie_> !pasta
[08:08] <_Techie_> !paste
[08:09] <moetunes> mkitef: from the second last post here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/problem-with-setting-right-screen-resolution-in-debian-lenny-769707/ - HorizSync       31.50-81.00 & VertRefresh	40.00-75.00
[08:19] <mkitef> Sorry - still a step backward with the vertrefresh error and still the DDC
[08:26] <moetunes> hmm well I'm outta ideas then mkitef sorry
[08:28] <mkitef> moetunes: I appreciate the help.  Now tried starting X from console with GDM turned off.  I get this recurrent message "No protocol specified /n .. /n " repeats until X killed
[08:28] <moetunes> mkitef: how did you try to start x?
[08:29] <moetunes> without gdm you should use     startx
[08:29] <mkitef> I stopped GDM.  Then used "startx" from the console command line.  There is another error that scrolls off the screen and doesn't go into Xorg.0.log
[08:29] <moetunes> k
[08:31] <mkitef> I get the OPCODE error then: error setting MTRR (base=0xf00000 ...)  Inappropriate ioctl for device (25).  No protocol specified .. waiting for X server to begin accepting connections.
[08:36] <mkitef> moetunes:  PROGRESS - if I run sudo startx I get a GUI!
[08:36] <moetunes> that's strange...
[08:38] <mkitef> Could this relate to the upgrade and using the same username and not reformating the /home partition causing a problem?
[08:38] <moetunes> has the comp lost power while running?
[08:39] <mkitef> not that I recall
[08:39] <moetunes> did you mount the old /home as /home ?
[08:39] <mkitef> yup
[08:39] <moetunes> it should be fine - I do that
[08:41] <mkitef> ls -l of my home dir give the owner of most files as "501" but some new ones as "myusername"
[08:42] <moetunes> is there a .ICE file?
[08:42] <moetunes> or .ICE*
[08:43] <mkitef> There is a .ICEauthority file
[08:43] <moetunes> you might have to   sudo chmod 777   that file and chown the rest
[08:44] <mkitef> I just did the chown -R, I'll try the chmod
[08:48] <mkitef> no luck from chmod
[08:49] <mkitef> now it won't work for root either!
[08:49] <moetunes> mkitef: you might have to go to tty and kill X
[08:49] <mkitef> I did
[08:49] <moetunes> k
[08:50] <moetunes> did the chown -R work? - I always use -Rv to make sure
[08:51] <Mikolynx> Help!
[08:51] <Mikolynx> I need serious help...
[08:52] <mkitef> 8GB of files later the chown seems to have worked
[08:52] <moetunes> heh
[08:52] <Mikolynx> I can't seem to boot 10.04...updated from karmic...
[08:53] <moetunes> any error with startx?
[08:53] <moetunes> mkitef: ^^
[08:53] <Mikolynx> been all over the forum trying to figure out how to get past the bliking cursor at boot...
[08:53] <Mikolynx> I get the blinking cursor then a black screen...
[08:53] <MrNaz> in the new screensaver dialog, how do you download the screensavers that arent already on the system?
[08:54] <mkitef> sorry - chown still running I can just catch the "permissions retained" messages as they go by
[08:54] <MrNaz> aptitude serach screensavername doesnt bring naything up
[08:55] <mkitef> oops - it says "ownership retained" - I guess the last chmod worked
[08:55] <moetunes> k
[08:56] <mkitef> looks like I am getting a GUI - with my default windows open!
[08:58] <mkitef> moetunes: Thank you for all your time and help.  I have a GUI and it survived a reboot and ordinary login!
[08:58] <moetunes> well done mkitef :]
[08:59] <mkitef> It must have been a permission problem preventing Xserver - client talk or XFCE starting
[08:59] <moetunes> yep sounds like it
[08:59] <mkitef> Many thanks :-)
[09:00] <moetunes> np :)
[09:00] <Mikolynx> See, when I reboot I see the system stuff run through and then I get a blinking cursor that lasts for 30 seconds and then a black screen.\
[09:02] <moetunes> Mikolynx: is that in the recovery mode?
[09:56] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:56] <MaxFrames> strange... #xubuntu-it is automatically forwarded to #ubuntu-it
[09:56] <knome> there is no localised channels for xubuntu
[09:57] <MaxFrames> oh...
[09:57] <knome> the #ubuntu-it will answer quoestions about xubuntu as well, as long as they have the knowledge
[09:57] <knome> *-o
[09:58] <Sysi> knomeledge
[09:58] <moetunes> heh
[09:59] <knome> that is what they don't have
[09:59] <knome> ;)
[10:03] <MaxFrames> I have an issue with synergy+ since I have upgraded to 10.04, sometimes when I switch the mouse to the client (xubuntu) from the server (windows), the client "thinks" the mouse button is depressed
[10:03] <MaxFrames> thus a selection rectangle appears and moves around as I move the mouse
[10:03] <MaxFrames> I have to logoff to stop that
[10:05] <MaxFrames> in other words, it's like I was constantly keeping my finger on the mouse button
[10:05] <MaxFrames> I don't know what is causing this, it does not happen every time
[10:05] <MaxFrames> but often enough
[10:07] <knome> MaxFrames, have you tried pressing esc?
[10:07] <MaxFrames> yes, I've tried to press almost every key :)
[10:07] <MaxFrames> apparently, the only way to stop it is to log off and back on
[10:10] <mouseover> I want to apt-get g++4.2 which is not available in the Lucid repo. Tho it is available in the 8.10 repo. How can I get something from an older Ubuntu repo?
[10:12] <mouseover> How do I apt-get a package from an older Ubuntu repo? For example, g++-4.2 is not available in 10.04, but available in 8.10.
[10:32] <freim> hi, quick question: is pulseaudio an optional or required dependency in Xubuntu 10.04?
[10:33] <mr_pouit> it's not required for xfce, only for gdm
[10:33] <freim> ok, good
[11:06] <freim> does anyone know how to make keyboard shortcuts using the "windows key"? I can't seem to get them to work
[11:14] <moetunes> how are you trying to set them?
[11:15] <freim> I used the keyboard settings dialog. Added an entry which looked like <Super_L>+a
[11:16] <freim> which then was set to start up the xfce terminal
[11:16] <freim> I tested the same with <ctrl><alt> and that one worked fine
[11:16] <freim> but the one with the windows key didn't react at all
[11:17] <freim> in KDE and Gnome it is recognized as <Mod4>, not <Super_L>
[11:17] <moetunes> why not just use the application shortcuts in keyboard settings?
[11:18] <freim> not sure what you mean by that
[11:20] <moetunes> it's  a tab in the systems settings - keyboard applet
[11:20] <freim> that's where I set it I believe
[11:20] <freim> unless there are several places to set shortcuts
[11:21] <moetunes> k - it would have asked you to press the keys you wanted yes?
[11:21] <freim> not that I can see how it helps to change where I set it when it seems XFCE doesn't recognize the windows key as a modifier
[11:21] <freim> moetunes: yes it did
[11:22] <freim> it wasn't a problem to add the entry. The problem is that it doesn't work :)
[11:22] <moetunes> do you have a right and left windows key? - super L is the left one
[11:23] <freim> yes
[11:23] <freim> and I set and tested the left one
[11:24] <moetunes> seems strange
[11:25] <freim> I tried googling it, but only found old entries with no definitive answer other than that it just didn't work
[11:25] <freim> some people apparently had some luck messing with xmodmap, but I didn't see a difference
[11:36] <moetunes> freim: do you have a file ~/.config/xfce4/shortcuts/"theme-name".xml?
[11:37] <freim> don't know, at work atm
[11:38] <freim> I need to hand-edit it?
[11:38] <moetunes> seems if you bypass the shortcuts gui and edit that file directly it can work
[11:39] <moetunes> it's from an old post tho
[11:40] <freim> will check when I get back home
[13:44] <arthurjohnson> Does anyone here happen to know what provides automounting in Xubuntu?
[13:44] <mr_pouit> thunar + thunar-volman (+ hal)
[13:44] <arthurjohnson> I'm running Ubuntu Cli and installed just the Xfce4 components, and with Karmic automounting worked fine.  Once I upgraded to Lucid, it stopped working.
[13:45] <arthurjohnson> One of my machines is using Xubuntu, and automounting is working fine there.  So I doubt its a thunar problem.
[13:45] <mr_pouit> do you usedo you use autologin on the machine?
[13:45] <mr_pouit> *do you use
[13:45] <arthurjohnson> yes, in fact I do.
[13:46] <arthurjohnson> Interestingly enough, not on the Xubuntu machine.
[13:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, it fails because of that, probably
[13:46] <mr_pouit> ah
[13:46] <mr_pouit> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/546992)
[13:51] <freim> hasn't 10.04 migrated from HAL->udev?
[13:53] <mr_pouit> xfce components still use hal
[13:54] <freim> so both can run side-by-side?
[13:55] <freim> the way it has been described it seemed like hal was being ripped out and wouldn't work correctly anymore
[14:12] <arthurjohnson> Ha!  That solved it mr_pouit
[14:12] <arthurjohnson> I put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local, rebooted, and ta-da!  Automounting started working again.
[14:20] <arthurjohnson> How is #xubuntu handling it?  I thought hald didn't load during upstart?
[14:21] <arthurjohnson> I should say, Xubuntu 10.04, I didn't mean the channel.
[14:28] <impulse255> hi
[14:28] <impulse255> i recently installed xubuntu and it worked perfectly but then i restarted the machine and i don't have the panels
[14:28] <impulse255> the sort of dissappeared i only see the desktop ..
[14:28] <Sysi> !panels
[14:29] <impulse255> yeah i was just writing that i can run that command and it works it shows the panels
[14:29] <impulse255> but the problem is they dont reappear when i restart ..
[14:29] <impulse255> also there are some criticals right after i start xfce4-panel
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> impulse255: When you restart or log out, did you click save session?
[14:30] <impulse255> nope ..
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> Try that and see if it solves your problem.
[14:30] <impulse255> there is a checkbox on the logout window
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> Yes, is that checked on?
[14:30] <impulse255> that says 'save sessions for future logins'
[14:30] <impulse255> i think it was on the first time i restarted ...
[14:31] <impulse255> i can try again and see if that works
[14:31] <arthurjohnson> make sure your panels are loading, restart making sure that "save session..." is checked on.
[14:31] <arthurjohnson> loading == loaded
[14:32] <impulse255> just restarted the laptop
[14:32] <impulse255> 1sec
[14:32] <impulse255> it works ^^
[14:32] <impulse255> thank you
[14:33] <arthurjohnson> impulse255: your welcome ;)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu OpenWeek starts at 15:00 UTC today
[15:40] <craigbass1976> Someones top menu bar disappeared.  How can I tell her to get it back?  She's got no menus
[15:40] <charlie-tca> !panels
[15:42] <craigbass1976> charlie-tca, thank you much.  Never heard of it, and on my end, I couldn't figure out how to delete on in a hirry on my end to test.
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Yeah, not an uncommon issue
[15:44] <craigbass1976> How'd she delete it?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> she didn't. It crashed
[15:44] <craigbass1976> Ahh.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> An easy way to see it happen is to boot the live cd environment, then click the 'quit' icon two times
[15:45] <craigbass1976> Hey, while I've got you, is there an issue in general with openoffice in regards to a hardy to lucid upgrade?  Last night at my house on regular ubuntu, there was some issue but I was able to go through with the upgrade.  Today on Xub (at work) the upgrade wouldn't continue.  I've uninstalled and will give it another go.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any other workaround, then to uninstall and reinstall OO.o
[16:07] <ocs> hi. I'm trying to install 10.04  with the live cd. Unfortunately, it doesn't see any root filesystem. I obtain the same error with 9.10, while 9.04 works...
[16:12] <Prajwal> any command to start a new terminal
[16:12] <Prajwal> other than xterm
[16:12] <charlie-tca> xfce4-terminal
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Terminal
[16:12] <charlie-tca> both should work
[16:13] <Prajwal> it should have all the setting applied to terminal
[16:13] <Prajwal> that was my idea
[16:13] <rgnr> hey ppl
[16:13] <Prajwal> anyway thanks let me check with this
[16:13] <rgnr> is 10.04 worthy yet?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Prajwal: xfce4-terminal  is the command used in xubuntu to start your terminal
[16:13] <charlie-tca> rgnr: worthy of ???
[16:13] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:14] <rgnr> i saw some posts made a few days ago
[16:14] <rgnr> reportin 10.04 is being mighty problematic
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Oh?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I run it on three systems with a problem
[16:15] <charlie-tca> There is a bug in thunar, which freezes it if you use detailed view
[16:16] <Prajwal> thanks charlie-tca
[16:16] <Prajwal> actually i had my manual setting applied there ...xterm was showing me a white background
[16:16] <Prajwal> this helped me better
[16:18] <ocs> "no root file system is defined. please correct this from partitioning menu" during installation from live cd... But I'm unable to correct it... what should I do? I don't have this error with 9.04 (on the same hardware)
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Did you select a partition to install in ?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The partition menu has changed since 9.04
[16:19] <rgnr> and what's with grub?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> rgnr: ??
[16:20] <charlie-tca> specifics, please
[16:20] <rgnr> like many users complain on grub bug
[16:20] <rgnr> after updating
[16:21] <charlie-tca> If they downloaded the early test images, it is broken
[16:21] <rgnr> upgrading to 10.04
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Did they read the release notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#GRUB%20menu.lst:%20install%20the%20maintainer%27s%20version%20vs.%20keep%20the%20local%20version
[16:26] <rgnr> cool thanks
[16:26] <rgnr> i'll keep that in mind
[16:29] <craigbass1976> thanks charlie-tca.  Off to upgrade
[16:56] <vik> hello, I cannot write my usb after update from Karmic, please help
[17:01] <arthurjohnson> vik: Can you elaborate? What kind of USB device?
[17:04] <vik> It's usb pen drive
[17:04] <vik> It mounts, but I cannot write on it
[17:05] <vik> it was ok with Karmic
[17:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: can you past the output of dmesg here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[17:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: Then send me the link.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Are you using auto-login?
[17:23] <Guest96887> hi, why flash drives are not automounted?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Are you using auto-login?
[17:24] <vik> arthurjohnson, http://pastebin.com/Sp2S8d84
[17:24] <Guest96887> yep
[17:25] <charlie-tca> That is a bug. the workaround is to login manually
[17:25] <charlie-tca> bug 546992
[17:25] <Guest96887> okaaaay, so if i change autologin to manual login, there's nothing more to do, just reboot?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/546992
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: Actually, there is another workaround
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: You can put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local just before "exit 0"
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: Thats what fixed it for me.
[17:26] <Guest96887> arthurjohnson, ok, will try that, thx
[17:27] <charlie-tca> That was a good workaround for most users.
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Thank you, arthurjohnson
[17:27] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: I just fixed my Lucid installs that way this morning ;)
[17:28] <Guest96887> will now reboot and see if it works
[17:28] <arthurjohnson> vik: Can you do the same thing for the "mount" command
[17:28] <arthurjohnson> vik: Just run "mount" and put it in pastebin and send me the link
[17:29] <vik> http://pastebin.com/kTiH4Wf4
[17:30] <lsemple> hi, after instaling xubuntu 10.04,and finally getting the nvidia drivers to work for me,  my splash screen for turning on my computer and booting the O/S has been changed to something that looks like its in 256 color mode (low resolution also)
[17:30] <lsemple> how do I put it back to the default xubuntu 10.04 bootsplash ?
[17:30] <Guest63985> okay, that actually did the thing, great thx to everybody:)
[17:30] <arthurjohnson> Guest63985: Glad I could help!
[17:30] <charlie-tca> lsemple: yes, that is a bug in the nvidia drivers. It is acually something like 4-color mode
[17:30] <lsemple> christ
[17:31] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah thats uuugly
[17:31] <lsemple> makes me super unsure of my system
[17:31] <lsemple> I bet they did that on purpose
[17:31] <arthurjohnson> vik: Thats really odd.  From your dmesg and mount command, everything is read only.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Here, this tells you about it - http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[17:32] <arthurjohnson> I'm sorry, I meant read-write
[17:32] <arthurjohnson> vik: And you say you can't write to /media/usb0?
[17:32] <lsemple> charlie-tca: no way to fix this hey ?
[17:33] <lsemple> what about making my own bootsplash
[17:33] <charlie-tca> lsemple: see that last link I gave
[17:33] <vik> arthurjohnson, yes, i am sure
[17:33] <arthurjohnson> vik: Open a terminal and type "touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:33] <charlie-tca> lsemple: yes, you could create one. It is mainly those of us with the Nvidia cards that are screwed on it
[17:34] <vik> touch: cannot touch „/media/usb0/testfile“: Permission denied
[17:34] <vik> arthurjohnson, I was doing an upgrade from Karmic, that's it
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: Do an "ls -alh /media/usb0" and put that in pastebin
[17:36] <lsemple> charlie-tca: what did you do to your system ?
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: Or better yet, do a sudo touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:36] <lsemple> did you get a bootsplash made ? or just leave it ?
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: sorry, "sudo touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:36] <vik> viso 6,0K
[17:36] <vik> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 2,0K 1970-01-01 03:00 .
[17:36] <vik> drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4,0K 2010-05-03 19:19 ..
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I cleaned up the overspray in the logo
[17:37] <jarnos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9227244#post9227244
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Here is the one I use as an attachment to the bug - https://launchpad.net/bugs/552000
[17:37] <vik> nothing happens with sudo touch...
[17:37] <vik> just another line
[17:37] <arthurjohnson> vik: Your usb device is mounted as root
[17:37] <charlie-tca> jarnos: referring to???
[17:38] <arthurjohnson> vik: cat /etc/fstab and put that in pastebin.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <arthurjohnson> vik: don't flood the channel
[17:38] <charlie-tca> lsemple: take a look at the bug report.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> jarnos: the answer is in the wiki
[17:39] <vik> http://pastebin.com/izJNP9yB
[17:39] <charlie-tca> !grub2 | jarnos
[17:40] <vik> arthurjohnson, I have installed USBmount previously, just after update, because it my usb did not turn on at all
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: Thats not the proper fix
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: sudo apt-get autoremove usbmount
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: Then put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local just before "exit 0"
[17:42] <arthurjohnson> vik: Reboot, and you will be all set.
[17:42] <jarnos> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[17:42] <vik> arthurjohnson, what about /usr/sbin/hald???
[17:45] <vik> arthurjohnson, once again what should I put in rc.local?
[17:48] <Sysi> they removed hal to be fast and now usb-mounts fail?
[17:48] <lsemple> man upgrading is painful
[17:48] <lsemple> I hope this xubuntu lasts 10 years
[17:49] <lsemple> thats the goal isnt it ?
[17:49] <vik> arthurjohnson, it's not working, my usb is not mounted at all.
[17:49] <Sysi> !lts
[17:51] <vik> I need help. My usb is not being mounted after upgrade from karmic to lucid. I would appreaciate help. Thanks
[18:02] <vik> Please, i really need help with mounting usb, I cannot solve it myself
[18:02] <vik> -
[18:02] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah ok I saw your post in that bug report that you cleaned up the logo
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !patience
[18:02] <lsemple> charlie-tca: what did you do to it ?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I opened it in GIMP and removed all the excess white around it
[18:03] <charlie-tca> It looked like it had been spray painted, so I cleaned up the overspray
[18:04] <lsemple> ohh yeah I see that
[18:04] <charlie-tca> It still shows up big for nvidia users, but it looks sharper on my system
[18:05] <lsemple> yeah, well I am going to make my own
[18:05] <lsemple> keep the colors simple
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Okay. Let us see it when it is done?
[18:05] <lsemple> what color mode should I use ?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> You have an nvidia card, gotta stay in 16-color
[18:05] <lsemple> ok
[18:05] <lsemple> sounds good
[18:06] <lsemple> I will keep the logo the same and the icon, maybe do something cool to it though
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I'm no artist, myself. The best I can do is letters
[18:08] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah same
[18:08] <lsemple> I was thinking of making an ansi art logo or something :)
[18:08] <lsemple> out of text
[18:08] <lsemple> the matrix
[18:08] <lsemple> could probably just download something
[18:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: I'm out of ideas, sorry I wish I could help.  I had the exact same issue yesterday, and thats what I did to solve it.
[18:23] <arthurjohnson> Whops, he left.
[18:25] <arthurjohnson> Wished I could have helped him, darned need to eat sustenance to survive.
[19:51] <arthurjohnson> Anybody around for an easy question?
[19:52] <arthurjohnson> I saw that one of the features of Xubuntu 10.04 is Xfce4 Classic look.  How do I set that?
[19:52] <arthurjohnson> I poked and poked, but couldn't find anything.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> It is?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah
[19:53] <charlie-tca> At the gdm screen, select xfce-session instead of xubuntu-session
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I think
[19:53] <arthurjohnson> Orly
[19:55] <anom01y> is it me or does everyone seem to be having problems with this "new" ubuntu 10.04 ??
[19:56] <anom01y> and video card drivers, specifically nvidia
[19:56] <charlie-tca> not really problems here. Incompatible with the new plymouth screen, though
[19:56] <arthurjohnson> Cute!  Wished it saved as much memory as vanilla Xfce4 install, but still pretty cool trick
[19:57] <arthurjohnson> anom01y: I had issues with them trying to get rid of hald, once I figured that out, everything worked as normal
[19:57] <anom01y> I can't get my nvidia drivers to stay loaded, whenever I reset the compter I have to go back into recovery mode, reinstall drivers, then restart, but then I restart again, and they are broke again
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Did you install them with hardware drivers?
[19:57] <anom01y> yep
[19:58] <charlie-tca> arthurjohnson: anything?
[19:58] <anom01y> nvidia geforce 6200,
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I run that card without those issues
[19:58] <anom01y> charlie-tca, ohh yeah, is it agp ?
[19:58] <anom01y> I've been having this problem for a day or two now
[19:58] <charlie-tca> pci
[19:59] <anom01y> hmm yeah mine is AGP,
[19:59] <charlie-tca> My mx-4000's are agp
[19:59] <charlie-tca> ykxf16QniGgE
[19:59] <anom01y> I am going to reset the computer (again).. hopefully this time they work... trying version 172 for the nvidia drivers..
[20:00] <arthurjohnson> I had issues with nvidia.  I wound up, of all things, removing SLiM and going back go gdm.
[20:00] <anom01y> charlie-tca, what version of drivers do you use ?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I use the version called nvidia-current
[20:00] <arthurjohnson> I'm using nvidia-glx-185, I don't know if that helps or not.
[20:01] <anom01y> ok brb
[20:01] <charlie-tca> arthurjohnson: that's old for 10.04
[20:01] <charlie-tca> nvidia-current is 195
[20:01] <arthurjohnson> This machine has been upgraded a few times.
[20:01] <arthurjohnson> I'll play with upgrading when I'm not working.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> If you installed them from nvidia's site, you have to remove the drivers completely before installing with 'hardware drivers'. The new nvidia installer in no longer usable by us.
[20:03] <arthurjohnson> yeah, strangest thing. I used Slim display manager, worked good under karmic, but under lucid, where slim is in the repos, I get all kinds of artifacts on the screen.
[20:03] <arthurjohnson> Switched back to gdm, and the problem went away.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> It mioght be that old driver causing it, but it might be something to do with gtk too
[20:04] <arthurjohnson> Right now I'm trying to figure out why one of my laptops won't come back from suspension.
[20:05]  * charlie-tca thinks it is because it is broken
[20:05] <arthurjohnson> My Acer 5315 suspends and comes back without problems, but the Dell Latitude D600 does not.
[20:05]  * charlie-tca hides again
[20:05] <arthurjohnson> Used to work under Karmic.
[20:06] <arthurjohnson> Well, the Latitude is an issued machine from my company, and I hate it.  Runs hot, touchpad is buggy, etc etc etc
[20:06] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:06] <charlie-tca> they broke some of the suspend stuff again, as I recall
[20:06] <arthurjohnson> Sometimes when I click something I have to "wiggle" the cursor to get it to wake back up.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Haven't heard that one, though
[20:07] <arthurjohnson> Same with a terminal, start typing, its locked up, wiggle, and all the text I was typing appears all at once.
[20:07] <anom01y> yeah charlie-tca arthurjohnson can't get this computer to boot
[20:07] <anom01y> without going through fail safe and low-graphics mode
[20:08] <charlie-tca> I am finding without using suspend/hibernate, my desktop is not responding always. Sometimes have to hit the key two or three times to get a response
[20:08] <anom01y> I have nvidia geforce 6200 and everything was working fine until I "upgraded"
[20:08] <anom01y> (more like downgraded)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> did you have the nvidia site driver installed?
[20:09] <anom01y> charlie-tca, no I never used that one
[20:10] <anom01y> man once I get this computer going I am NEVER upgrading ever again
[20:10] <arthurjohnson> you could reinstall from scratch ;)
[20:10] <anom01y> arthurjohnson, I just did that
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I upgraded three systems without that problem
[20:10] <anom01y> after having the exact same problem after upgrading using synaptics upgrade tool
[20:10] <anom01y> I should just put 9.10 back in
[20:11] <arthurjohnson> or 8.04, and wait for the next LTS ;)
[20:12] <arthurjohnson> Oh wait...
[20:13] <anom01y> yeah this is BS
[20:13] <anom01y> I hate upgrading
[20:13] <anom01y> can't even work
[20:28] <arthurjohnson> I did four upgrades and four installs.  All seem to be working pretty well for me.
[20:28] <arthurjohnson> Other than the hald problem on the upgrades, that is, and the artifacts with Slim display manager.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> three upgrades and 16 installs
[20:29] <arthurjohnson> I can't get the install to boot off the usb stick for my laptop thou, ticking me off.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Yeah, mine are all cd based
[20:36] <anom01y> well I may or may not switch to ReD hat
[20:37] <arthurjohnson> DONT do Debian Testing whatever you do. Nvidia is completely broken.
[20:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:38] <anom01y> is red hat good with nvidia ?
[20:38] <anom01y> I would like something that has xfce
[20:38] <arthurjohnson> no idea
[20:38] <arthurjohnson> haven't used Red Hat since they renamed to Fedora ;)
[20:40] <arthurjohnson> Switched to Debian in 1999
[20:40] <arthurjohnson> Then to Ubuntu in 2007
[20:43] <arthurjohnson> Ah crap, reinstalled on the Dell and forgot what I did to get wireless working *sigh*
[20:47] <slow-motion> hi
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Hello, slow-motion
[20:48] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[20:48] <slow-motion> so, the update is done
[20:48] <anom01y> computers are all about fixing them it seems nowadays
[20:49] <anom01y> using them is a thing of the past
[20:54] <arthurjohnson> Seems that way sometimes!
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> Aha!
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> b42-fwcutter
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> er, b43-fwcutter
[22:18] <anom01y> anyone here figure out the nvidia bug ?
[22:26] <anom01y> anyone here know of a good video card that is not ati or nvidia but well supported in Ubuntu, AGP or PCI-E 8x,
[22:26] <anom01y> has to be well supported in Linux
[22:29] <charlie-tca> What's left if you don't use nvidia or ati?
[22:31] <anom01y> something good
[22:32] <anom01y> I don't know just sick of Nvidia
[22:32] <anom01y> sick of ATI
[22:32] <anom01y> they both owned by Intel or AMD are they not ?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:32] <anom01y> nvida is on its own ?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> They are separate companies. Intel makes it own video chips, as far as I know
[22:33] <anom01y> ohh yeah
[22:33] <anom01y> Asus as well
[22:33] <anom01y> ?
[22:33] <anom01y> There has to be an alternative video card
[22:34] <anom01y> that handles say 3d support, and has about 512 MB or so ram
[22:34] <anom01y> because you really don't need that much just to do basic stuff
[22:35] <anom01y> I used to play Ghost Recon online like 9 years ago,
[22:35] <anom01y> on 64mb
[22:36] <ghigo> buonasera
[23:11] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:12] <knome> !hi | sebsebseb
[23:47] <arthurjohnson> Well, that was easy!  Switched to Ubuntu + Xfce4 to Xubuntu just by installing xubuntu-desktop, log out, and log in as xubuntu session
[23:49] <arthurjohnson> had to set the theme, but the menu changed with the log out and back in, and the extra services were installed.  Couldn't be easier.
[23:49] <arthurjohnson> Don't know why I thought it wouldn't be ;)
[23:50] <knome> arthurjohnson, congrats :)
[23:51] <Martiini> how can I disable getting any KDE packages ...
[23:51] <knome> Martiini, there's no way to stop installing them if you install something that needs them
[23:53] <Martiini> I wish there was an option in "synaptic" .. to disable any KDE packages
[23:53] <knome> no, unfortunately there is not.