[00:05] !sru [00:05] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [00:05] amichair: highly unlikely, especially since forward might indeed be used in other contexts [00:06] I thought that's the difference betweek left/right, forward/back [00:06] kassistantdialog is BiDi aware [00:07] [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100503230703-y8z8cedda5rnoaje * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu7.1 [00:07] it uses KStandardGuiItem::UseRTL to decide which arrow to pick [00:07] here http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/kassistantdialog_8cpp_source.html [00:07] amichair: who knows [00:08] well [00:08] http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/namespaceKStandardGuiItem.html#af0d946d0bb207497281abcde9befc6c4 [00:08] there you have the appropriate button ^^ [00:09] no need to derive from kassistantdialog [00:09] * apachelogger didnt even think of kstandardguiitem [00:10] yep, backAndForward should do it [00:12] amichair: the manual says "If you have a reason for wanting the 'Western' back/forward buttons, please use the back() and forward() items instead." [00:12] yep, but since u don't want it western, but desert-camel style... [00:13] so it will work also for LTR languages? [00:13] amichair: or just want to be lefthanded [00:13] nixternal: ping [00:15] btw, noticed that http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release is still referring (near the bottom of the page) to 10.04 as a Release Candidate [00:15] ofirk: at least that's how I understand it (read the doc for back too, though kde docs are not usually the most comprehensible) [00:16] Tm_T: I do! left handed people are more creative and live longer :-) [00:18] maybe we should open up the first leftorium in the region! [00:19] valorie: Where? [00:19] valorie: Ah spotted. Under Feedback [00:20] nixternal: can we haz feedback page again? [00:23] Riddell: any news on akondi timeout stuff? [00:23] amichair, apachelogger: it seens that the next and back buttons are set in app.ui [00:23] *it seems [00:23] mhhh [00:23] ui files [00:25] ofirk: need to be removed from the ui, leaving empty layouts around, then manually inject the kstandardguiitem into those layout(s) [00:25] or maybe you can just as well add it to the ui file === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:30] apachelogger: Who has update right on the kubuntu site? [00:30] me :P [00:32] valorie, DaskreeCh: fix0red, thx [00:32] yay [00:34] it's getting late, need to sleep :0 [00:34] apachelogger, amichair: thanks [00:35] ofirk: didn't help much myself, but glad it works :-) [00:35] amichair: not yet works, but will :) [00:35] apachelogger: Cookies :) [00:36] thanks, apachelogger [00:36] off to dinner [00:39] so... debconf attendees anyone? [00:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity/Kubuntu :-( === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:11] DaskreeCh: you scared me [01:11] DaskreeCh: i was going "please be blank, please be blank" :P [01:14] maco: :-D === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [01:44] hi, is someone from the Ubuntu Development Team around [01:47] anon^_^: Almost always. It helps to know why you are asking to see if the right person is around. [01:47] it may be an awkward time to wait for a response; please just ask and idle your client, or post to the kubuntu-devel mailing list. [01:48] hello crimsum [01:48] lol [01:48] ScottK, There's an issue with the version of Kftpgrabber in the Lucid and Meerkat repos [01:49] I don't think we care much yet of Meerkat repositories [01:49] other than repositories itself works [01:49] Kftpgrabber was updated to SVN code possibly upstream [01:49] evenin [01:50] hi jjesse [01:50] the problem is that the SVN is from a KDE 4 port in an alpha stage [01:50] and the project is largely dead [01:50] thus development on the KDE4 port stopped two years ago [01:50] the SVN is feature incomplete [01:50] hello Tm_T [01:51] anon^_^: What would you suggest we do? [01:51] Kftpgrabber needs to be rolled back to its last stable release [01:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/559245 [01:51] Launchpad bug 559245 in kftpgrabber "KFTGabber(Version 0.8.99) doesn't start transfer in lucid beta" [Undecided,New] [01:52] Looks like we updated based on Debian updating. [01:52] anon^_^: If the KDE4 port is dead, we should probably just have it removed. [01:52] KDE3 support isn't going to be around long. [01:52] well, the KDE3 build works fine on Lucid [01:52] also ftp client is in every file dialog [01:53] I was able to install the Karmic build without issues [01:53] Tm_T: Not this one, it's in Universe. [01:53] ScottK: I mean, normal filedialog supports ftp [01:53] or konqueror, or dolphin [01:53] It's sad the project is dead, it's one of the better gui ftp clients available, minus a lot of bugs that were never fixed === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:40] who can look if this is needed anymore? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_74_plasma_applet_directories.diff [03:40] 0531.19 < aseigo> yay, kubuntu fucks plasma up again .. http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdelibs/plasma/applet.cpp?r1=1101319&r2=1108644 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236258 [03:40] KDE bug 236258 in general "Plasma/Superkaramba doesn't work in 4 4 3" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [03:40] nothing's changed. reverting that patch will cause scripted plasmoids installed in /usr to fail to load [03:41] hmmmh [03:41] It's more like: "yay, plasma blames Kubuntu for trying to fix plasma's crappy experiment with content distribution" [03:41] but it looks like in 4.4.3 it's already there, patching an already patched? [03:42] No, that svn revision is the patch [03:42] you are right [03:43] oh well, shouldn't try to understand these things without proper sleep [03:43] It goes like: scripted plasmoids in /usr == fracked -> patch to find metadata file -> superkaramba doesn't have a metadata .desktop file -> superkaramba == fracked [03:44] heh [03:44] you should say that to mr seigo then [03:44] The system is inheritly broken. A differen, more invasive patch is likely needed to fix the issue and nobody should blame people for trying to fix things [03:46] I agree on that === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:52] DaskreeCh: pong [03:53] apachelogger: what feedback page? [03:57] nixternal: Is the powerpc box running Lucid yet? [03:57] not yet... lucid server? [03:57] I need to test a clamav thing [03:57] that would just be an upgrade for that [03:58] i can fire it up and get it upgraded [03:58] I think I could do it in a chroot [03:58] i just can't test ISOs on it, I have no monitors :) [03:58] monitors & lcds were totalled [03:58] actually, I only had 2x32" Apple LCD's [03:58] they are gone :( though I rarely used them as I used my lappy for everything [04:07] nixternal: Either I forgot my password for sudo or I don't have sudo rights anymore .... [04:07] hrmm [04:07] you are logged in right? [04:07] ifconfig that badboy and tell me the ip :) [04:07] 192.168.1.?? [04:08] nevermind, ssh imac :) [04:08] 192.168.1.4 [04:08] gotta love ssh config [04:08] ScottK: password [04:08] I reset it for you [04:09] Thanks. [04:09] you can do the upgrade if you want :) [04:09] Changed. Thanks. [04:10] I'll do the test in the chroot anyway. [04:10] If I can confirm the bug, it'll explode. May as well keep it confined. [04:11] hehe [04:20] JontheEchidna: r1122503 [04:22] well, at least he admits that it's broken on their side [04:22] (:) [04:27] hmmm, chrome for linux isn't half bad [04:35] DarkwingDuck: yeah chrome is nice, but i'm liking rekonq a bit more [04:36] Only think I don't like about rekonq is the lack of Java support [04:37] I don't like the memory drain of firefox and the ignoring of CSS from Konqueror [04:37] DarkwingDuck: that is really a kdewebkit issue the way i understand it, konqueror with webkit part suffers the same [04:39] Correct. that's why I don't use either of those [04:39] need Java for school [04:39] i need activeX for school :( [04:40] yuuuuuuck [04:41] Took me a month to find a school that wasn't going to make me learn Visual Basic [04:41] fortunetly i shouldn't need it after the 10th (hopes and prays) [04:42] :D [04:42] myitlab.com sucks [04:42] Okay, it's bedtime [04:45] night [04:49] ooo, kde svn 1122512 looks pretty sweet [04:49] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1122512&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1122512 | modernize the unlock widget a bit, based on a patch by Roman Shtylman [04:49] * JontheEchidna ought to go to bed too [04:57] Konqueror <3 [04:59] Tm_T: yes yes, but i like it's non-web browser functions better [05:12] So now we find out how long it takes to build clamav on nixternal's ppc box. [05:16] ScottK: you should ask how it's going next week or so [05:16] * Tm_T hides [05:17] It should be done before morning, but I probably should have put this in screen. [05:18] hehe [05:18] screenify [05:18] Does clamav fail to build with emulated powerpc pbuilder/sbuild? [05:19] ScottK: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dcUD2qHTTTwJ:tomaw.net/tmp/screenify+screenify [05:19] or something... [05:19] persia: It's not a building issue, but a fails to run issue. [05:19] though, might not work in that case, hmmm [05:20] https://wwws.clamav.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1921 [05:20] wwws.clamav.net bug 1921 in clamd "clamd abort() in llvm/ppc on Mac OS X 10.5" [Major,Assigned] [05:20] Ah, yeah, I wasn't able to figure out how to allow actually running powerpc emulation in lucid :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === rgreening__ is now known as rgreening [05:37] Is there an easy way to inspect the inside of the debconf database? [05:39] Nevermind [08:37] nixternal: re what feedback page: the one based upon monster survey [09:09] [kde-l10n-common-karmic] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100504080934-fnfvy3omx95c2y7g * debian/ (build-l10n.sh changelog rules upload-l10n.sh) releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu7.1~karmic1~ppa1 [10:13] o/ [10:22] bah, who broke bzr and launchpad? [10:22] Riddell: glad we don't have any big releases coming today [10:23] "Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode." ah hah [11:38] apachelogger: are you doing kde-l10n for 4.4.3? [11:47] JontheEchidna: is kubuntu-maverick-c++-codestyle needing a session at UDS? [11:48] Riddell: Probably not a whole session. Would be nice to discuss it for 10 minutes or so in another session, maybe [11:49] JontheEchidna: and kubuntu-maverick-libqapt ? [11:50] If we could get a "Kubuntu Package Management Roundtable" where we can discuss PackageKit and LibQApt and such with various upstreams, that'd be great. [11:51] dantti should be there, maybe we could also kidnap mvo and glatzor [11:51] if they're attending [11:51] glatzor isn't at UDS [11:51] aww [11:51] mvo is [11:51] see, this is why we must kidnap glatzor [11:51] ;) [11:53] apachelogger: should we organise a kubuntu ubuntu one session for UDS? [12:29] Riddell: have you bumped any of the build deps in your updates? kdeadmin for example requires kdebindings but that isnt even built in ppa yet but still kdeadmin is built (presumably against older kde). Can you update the requirements and re-upload so we test building against the bindings. Similar for the other uploads. [12:31] rgreening: for a .3 release I'd hope there won't be any API changes [12:32] shouldn't be, however, to be consistant and ensure we build with the release files from each package to test... [12:33] this validates the packages against one another and not an older package [12:33] * rgreening being anal [12:33] :) [12:33] okies, Im off for coffee and work. be back in 20min or so [12:45] Riddell: depends on whether there is something to discuss regarding ubuntu one ;) [12:46] Riddell: is 4.4.3 up already? [12:46] s/up/up in a ppa [12:46] apachelogger: it's in ninjas, only a couple to go, upstream releasing tomorrow morning [12:47] well, I can upload to ninjas, but I suppose uploading to $destintaton-archive, once 4.4.3 has moved there is better [12:48] ...i.e. less of a headache when moving stuff around [12:48] apachelogger: do you have the bandwidth to upload? [12:49] apachelogger: tomorrow, time issues of release managers [12:49] early though, if I make it out of bed in time ;) [12:50] Give me a shout guys when/if you want 4.4.3 tested in ninjas [12:51] apachelogger: so upload late tonight? [12:51] Riddell: can do [12:51] just need to know where to upload to :) [12:51] apachelogger: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [12:52] k [12:52] actually [12:52] apachelogger: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/updates [12:52] which is actually called ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa [12:53] k ^^ [12:56] apachelogger: oh oh i have something to discuss! see, the u1 gnome client used to work in kubuntu, and in lucid it doesnt! i suspect someone left a dependency off when packaging [12:56] maco: that is more of reporting a bug ^^ [12:57] also from what I have seen it is just a bit different [12:57] bugs can be discussed :P [12:57] a) the gnome notifier stuff is confusing [12:57] b) gnome-keyringd does not autostart (anymore) [12:57] i think gnome keyring is the missing piece [12:57] well, it is just not starting [12:57] oh so i have to manually...? this is stupid === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [12:58] well, tell whoever made that change to gnome-keyring [12:58] but I think the idea is to not have kwallet and gnome-keyring not running at the same time, but started via a dbus service [12:58] for gnome-keyring that dbus-service-starting does not work it seems [12:58] i love how gnome-keyring has no manpage -_- [12:58] at least when I am poking into u1 I have to start the daemon manually [12:59] maco: that would not be documented there anyway ;) [12:59] ignoring that it has no manpage, it wouldve been the wrong one anyway. gnome-keyring AND gnome-keyring-daemon exist. i have no idea what the difference is [13:00] me@osiris:~$ grep -i only /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop [13:00] OnlyShowIn=GNOME;LXDE;XFCE; [13:01] maco: former is a cli query helper for latter AFAIK [13:13] neversfelde: how's kdenetwork doing? [13:14] [kde-l10n-common-lucid] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100504121418-v3xmlbi8cew76z2n * debian/ (build-l10n.sh changelog upload-l10n.sh) New upstream release [13:16] [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100504121631-1j1jau4v0naobwym * debian/changelog New upstream release === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:45] neversfelde: hey [14:45] got kdenetwork done? [14:53] Riddell: when it all builds, I'll review all the bzr's to make sure they are up to date and match the PPA builds. After that you can upload from bzr. sound good? [14:54] just upload kdelibs last, to ensure it all dep-waits on kdelibs to build. [14:54] * rgreening puts on release mgr hat [14:55] * rgreening steps out for an hr. [14:57] Riddell: can you make sure you sync up the bzrs for your builds too while I am out. So I review the most current changes. Thanks. [14:58] I think they'll all in sync except kdeplasma-addons which I'm finishing now [15:00] You guys building 4.4 already? [15:00] 4.4.3 no less [15:02] Anybody else get an email from this Mahadevan chap? [15:03] just got another one [15:03] which presumably means nobody replied to his first [15:04] I can reply now [15:04] Thanks [15:22] agateau: in Belgium? [15:22] has anarchy broken lose or are they managing fine without a government? [15:24] I think they're managing without a govt more often than not [15:24] ofirk: How'd it go? [15:24] amichair: hi [15:24] amichair: I working on it right now [15:25] amichair: apachelogger said to remove the buttons from the GUI and move them to the code using backAndForward [15:26] amichair: I am trying to install virtualbox's guest addons and it says it needs restart [15:27] amichair: is it enough to restart X? [15:27] ofirk: no, but u can use modprobe if u'r in the live session and can't restart [15:28] when installing (apt-get) it names the three modules it uses, forgot the names - vboxfs, vboxvideo, something like that [15:28] ofirk: just do modprobe and you're good to go [15:29] and make the snapshot after it's all set up :-) [15:30] ty Riddell. [15:30] ooh, rekonq is moving to extragear [15:30] Riddell: I'll start reviewing now. [15:30] amichair: what I need to install using apt-get? I though the guest addons installation is through Devices->Install Guest Additions... [15:31] ofirk: that's one way, or u can just apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils from the repo :-) [15:31] no need to mount cds and stuff [15:34] amichair: while it scans the mirrors... did you noticed that even after choosing Hebrew in the first boot screen, KDE is still in English? [15:34] depends if the language pack is installed [15:34] if you don't have internet at install time it won't be installed [15:35] yes, the boot choice seems to affect only for the boot menu [15:35] I am saying that the Live session is in English [15:36] but is that a bug or design? does live session work in other languages? seems like a lot of download-on-demand for a live session [15:37] I think Riddell refered to the installation process, when you choose Hebrew, it needs internet connection to install it [15:37] yes, I as refering to live session, not installer (were u too?) [15:38] I think that the live session don't download language packs, it should come with the live cd... [15:38] there's no Hebrew language pack on the CD so if you pick Hebrew at the boot screen it'll still be in English [15:39] the DVD will have it on [15:39] that makes sense. [15:40] although possibly a bit confusing to have the option in the boot menu, then not change the language [15:40] it will make the installer run in Hebrew [15:40] but at least it translates the boot menu (I hope :-) ) [15:40] I don't know about that, not sure what character sets are available there [15:41] I've seen it at some point, so it should work (if there's no regression bug) [15:42] ofirk: so if u pick hebrew, then pick 'install' rather than 'live session' from boot menu, the whole experience is in the right language? [15:42] yes, the boot menu is translated and appears correct (not reversed as it used to be) [15:42] amichair: yes [15:42] then that sounds okay to me [15:42] just checked, and the Ubuntu live cd also doesn't come with language packs [15:43] ofirk: there's not much room to spare in the cds, only the bare necessities [15:44] amichair: yeah, I know. that's why the DVD would be a better advise for users who just want to check the system... [15:44] amichair: do you remember which modules I need to put in modprobe? [15:46] you said three, I just found one (vboxdrv) [15:46] ofirk: not sure, but something like vboxdrv, vboxfs, vboxvideo [15:48] We ended up getting German, Spanish, French, Russian, Italian and Xhosa on the CD for this cycle. (Considerably more than in the past, iirc) [15:48] what's Xhosa? [15:48] Xhosa? really? [15:48] southern african language [15:49] Yeah, it was small, plus it was on the high priority list for Ubuntu [15:49] but otherwise I stuck to the Kubuntu prioritization for langpacks [15:50] * amichair has too little knowledge of the ways of the world... [15:50] JontheEchidna: kdebase-runtime... do you have an outstanding bzr commit? [15:51] rgreening: I haven't been committing to bzr since we're not uploading to maverick yet [15:51] shouldn't it be updated anyway? [15:51] while we are still lucid [15:52] * rgreening considers this so [15:52] Generally only stuff that makes it to the archive makes it to bzr [15:52] I've been committing to bzr [15:52] and 4.4.3 will [15:52] isn't this the first time we are able to use proper updates and not via PPA [15:52] * rgreening remembers this to be [15:52] no, I still need to get upstream to approve the policy [15:52] dam [15:53] why o why does the lord vex me so :) [15:53] ha [15:53] I'll commit to bzr, whatev. :) [15:53] ha [15:53] Riddell: It'll have to bake in proposed for a while first anyway, maybe it could be uploaded and not go to updates until the poilcy is approved. [15:53] JontheEchidna: kik me later :) [15:53] has anyone heard interesting feedback on the kubuntu release? or important bugs or upgrade problems? [15:55] rgreening: pushed [15:55] ScottK: seems risky is that [15:55] Last cycle we only got German, French, Spanish and Russian on the CD, by comparison [15:56] JontheEchidna: ty. mucho appreciated hombre [15:56] rgreening: just uploaded kdenetwork [15:56] ty Riddell [15:56] Riddell: It could always be pocket copied to backports instead of updates if there's a problem. [16:00] Riddell: already there, yes [16:00] amichair: There is this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback [16:00] Riddell: anarchy has not reached the hostel yet [16:00] agateau: I hope you have your fork with you [16:00] JontheEchidna: thanks [16:01] We'll have to get nixternal wikify the survey plasmoid results [16:01] agateau: or spoon, or similar weapon [16:01] Riddell: it's a bit away from the city... reminds me a lot about La Molla (only more rainy) [16:01] There's also this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3111436.0 [16:01] I'm gonna go check out the WINE session, maybe learn a thing or two [16:01] Tm_T: I'd love to have gear-shaped shurikens :) [16:11] JontheEchidna: sry to bug ya (one last time I promise), can you push kdelibs changes to bzr as well? [16:11] rgreening: did that too while I was at it. ;) [16:11] * rgreening hides under a rock [16:11] oh.. hmmm... [16:11] let me re-check my bzr checkout. seems It didnt get the update [16:12] latest is revision 210 [16:12] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=210&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 210 | Added my picture to the gallery -- Bernd [16:12] * JontheEchidna slaps ubottu [16:12] JontheEchidna: k. will recheck [16:14] JontheEchidna: found it. was a patch left in bzr but removed from package. I should have seen that. I'll update bzr to remove the old patch. ty. [16:14] ah, whoops [16:15] heh [16:15] :P [16:18] I might've done the same thing with -runtime [16:20] appears to be taken care of, though :) [16:21] :) [16:22] neversfelde: ping [16:27] I should have a basically-usable shaman apt backend by UDS :) [16:28] Just have to get in better progress reporting for package installs/removals/upgrades [16:53] rgreening: pong [16:54] hey neversfelde. can you update bzr for your packages you uploaded to PPA? I'm reviewing the packages for release. [16:54] Riddell: It wasn't ready yesterday evening and smart as I am, I turned of the computer [16:54] rgreening: do we package in bzr? [16:54] neversfelde: I uploaded kdenetwork now [16:54] I remember that there was a problem last cycle [16:55] but I can do it in a few minutes [16:55] neversfelde: bzr needs to be updated to reflect current status for lucid, until we start maverick, then we only update bzr with maverick changes. [16:55] ty neversfelde [16:56] \o [16:56] o/ [17:07] neversfelde: done yet? [17:07] rgreening: just started [17:08] kk [17:08] :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:18] ty neversfelde [17:21] rgreening: Are you done yet? [17:21] :D [17:21] Anatidaephobia – fear of being watched by a duck. [17:22] ong [17:22] omg* [17:22] * txwikinger sends some Canadian Geese [17:23] * apachelogger hates ducks [17:23] rgreening: everything is pushed [17:24] yay [17:28] * amichair ducks [17:31] * apachelogger tells amichair to stop with them ducks already [17:32] * Quintasan quacks at apachelogger [17:32] :3 [17:32] omg omg omg [17:33] lol [17:33] Riddell: All packages reviewed and ready to build from bzr to updates PPA. Might want to get a few more bodies to test. Mine installed fine. [17:33] rgreening: we can just copy them from ninjas to updates [17:34] unless there's some change needed [17:34] apachelogger: qua..ck [17:34] omg omg omg [17:34] ? [17:34] Riddell: apparently, apachelogger hates ducks [17:34] :< [17:34] :O [17:34] quack [17:34] * huntlogger shoots at Quintasan [17:35] huntlogger: http://celtic.theoffside.com/files/2009/09/trollface.jpg [17:36] * huntlogger falls over [17:36] so, I was thinking about getting supper [17:36] but there aint is nothing to eat around [17:36] and it is raining too much to go out [17:36] so I probably will have to starve [17:37] *shrug* [17:37] it's duck season! [17:44] huntlogger: order a pizza? [17:44] or go hunting for food [19:02] hi Mamarok how have you been? [19:17] claydoh: not too bad until now, thanks. How are you? [19:18] great! Me, I hurt a bit from a bit of gout in my foot, but otherwise I am well [19:20] ouch, that can hurt a lot, be careful what you eat [19:25] Mamarok: I sure can survive on nimm2 only :) [19:25] one can try at least === huntlogger is now known as apachelogger [19:31] Mamarok: I think it may be diet sodas, there is a correlation between the consumption and the recurrence :( [19:31] avoid diet sodas, drink water, and tea instead? [19:33]