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| alextisserant | hello | 02:10 |
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| alextisserant | does anyone know if progress has been made on bug 532733? | 02:10 |
| alextisserant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/+bug/532733 | 02:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 | 02:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Incomplete] | 02:10 |
| === XorA|gone is now known as XorA | ||
| lool | ogra, NCommander: poke | 15:37 |
| lool | ogra, NCommander: Do you guys have any specs which are pending approval? | 15:37 |
| lool | NCommander: I'd like to discuss softboot loader (mukluk) with you | 15:38 |
| lool | NCommander: Does mukluk actually need *discussion*, or does it need implementation? | 15:38 |
| ogra | lool, i submitted two for me and one that persia didnt want to run the BOF for | 15:38 |
| lool | ogra: Could you list them here? | 15:38 |
| ogra | just digging | 15:38 |
| persia | mukluk mostly just needs implementation. Not a lot to discuss. | 15:38 |
| ogra | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/userspace-loop-mounting | 15:39 |
| * ogra looks for the panel one | 15:39 | |
| lool | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/userspace-loop-mounting 404s | 15:39 |
| lool | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/arm-m-userspace-loop-mounting | 15:40 |
| ogra | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/arm-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl | 15:40 |
| lool | ogra: The spec doesn't say why you'd want to loop mount an image? | 15:40 |
| ogra | yeah, someone (i think asac) renamed it | 15:40 |
| asac | ogra: can you fill out summary? ;M)( | 15:40 |
| lool | arm-m-userspace-loop-mounting > I'd like this to be worded towards the use case we're trying to solve | 15:41 |
| ogra | lool, editing images you mean ? and running build tools as non-root ? | 15:41 |
| lool | arm-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl > sounds relatively good (except typos :-) but do we have a replacement software, do we intend to write it? | 15:41 |
| * ogra can rephrase it indeed | 15:41 | |
| asac | lool: both are already in the summit system fwiw | 15:41 |
| ogra | lool, i suspect a bit of both | 15:41 |
| lool | ogra: It could be: "Building images as non-root" or "Remastering images" | 15:42 |
| ogra | i'D suppose to pick something existing and modify it | 15:42 |
| lool | asac: You mean scheduled? | 15:42 |
| lool | persia: Any spec / session from you I should be aware of? | 15:42 |
| ogra | since if we want to use the indicators we need applet support and most of the small panel imaplementations that exist dont have it | 15:42 |
| ogra | but thats for the discussion | 15:42 |
| lool | asac: Do you know of any other spec/session from the mobile team which needs attention? | 15:42 |
| asac | lool: NCommander's softbooloader spec | 15:43 |
| lool | asac: Ok, I pinged him earlier on this | 15:43 |
| lool | I dont think it needs to be scheduled for UDS | 15:43 |
| asac | lool: i wanted to approve it, but it just was gone from the url it previously had | 15:43 |
| ogra | right, there schouldnt be any others | 15:43 |
| asac | lool: yeah. we unscheduled it ... but he came back | 15:43 |
| lool | asac: Lets get this straight with NCommander | 15:43 |
| asac | and explicitly asked to have that session still ... i am indifferent | 15:43 |
| lool | I'm fine if this is targeted for maverick, but I want to understand the need for a time slot at UDS | 15:43 |
| asac | my argument was that there was enough discussoin and we should rather implement | 15:43 |
| lool | asac: +1 | 15:44 |
| ogra | lool, i'D also happily run https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/arm-m-soc-i.mx51 and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/arm-m-soc-omap | 15:44 |
| asac | but he said he wanted to solicit more input now that we have more professional attention on arm | 15:44 |
| asac | which is a valid argument imo | 15:44 |
| lool | ogra: What I'd love for arm-m-soc-i.mx51 and arm-m-soc-omap is if you could gather input from Freescale and TI | 15:44 |
| ogra | and as i sadi before, any other one i subscribed to | 15:44 |
| asac | ogra: those are vendor sessions | 15:44 |
| lool | ogra: Ideally, they'd run the session with what they want to achieve in maverick, or in the future, or give a status update on where things stand -- whatever | 15:44 |
| asac | both are in the process to appoint a lead for that esssion ... but definitly subscribe you | 15:44 |
| ogra | lool, though imx51 should probably be 53 | 15:44 |
| asac | ogra: imx5x | 15:44 |
| asac | ;) | 15:45 |
| ogra | yeah ! | 15:45 |
| ogra | ++ | 15:45 |
| asac | ogra: lets not change it now, because fsl has that url to think about | 15:45 |
| ogra | ok | 15:45 |
| lool | asac: IMHO, softbootloader is a pre-production developers solution; not going to be deployed on production systems due to the boot time impact | 15:45 |
| asac | and then it would be gone (or are there automatic rediects) | 15:45 |
| asac | lool: right. it clearly falls in the developer (tools?) part | 15:45 |
| lool | asac: As such, I dont think it needs attention from another round of people; it should be one of these nice tools we use while we want to stay open in terms of boot options | 15:45 |
| lool | asac: Ack | 15:46 |
| asac | yeah. i think we are on the same page. lets make ncommander understand that its approved for maverick implementation, but that we probably dont want a session | 15:46 |
| ogra | lool, description changed (for the loop stuff) | 15:47 |
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| * persia doesn't see why mukluk wouldn't be a production solution in the future: coreboot seems popular with many. Mind you, mukluk is insufficiently mature to be used now. | 15:48 | |
| ogra | persia, its slooow | 15:48 |
| ogra | imagine 10secs from u-boot plus 3 seconds for booting an initial kernel plus 5 seconds for second kernel and initramfs | 15:49 |
| persia | ogra: coreboot isn't. The demo I heard about from a couple weeks ago wasn't. | 15:49 |
| ogra | persia, i was talking mukluk | 15:50 |
| persia | mukluk just isn't yet mature enough. | 15:50 |
| ogra | and its slow by design :) | 15:50 |
| lool | ogra: I updated the description again | 15:52 |
| ogra | thanks | 15:52 |
| lool | persia: One way we could have mukluk is as a fallback bootloader | 15:53 |
| lool | But let's walk before we run | 15:53 |
| ogra | heh | 15:53 |
| ogra | crawl rather :) | 15:54 |
| lool | ogra: Happy with the new description? | 15:54 |
| ogra | yup, fine | 15:54 |
| lool | ogra: I think I will rename the blueprint as well | 15:54 |
| ogra | fine too | 15:54 |
| lool | ogra: what about lightweight panel? | 15:54 |
| ogra | it was registered before we had ubuntu-arm or any naming scheme | 15:54 |
| lool | 16:41 < lool> arm-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl > sounds relatively good (except typos :-) but do we have a replacement software, do we intend to write it? | 15:54 |
| ogra | <ogra> lool, i suspect a bit of both | 15:55 |
| ogra | <ogra> i'D suppose to pick something existing and modify it | 15:55 |
| ogra | <ogra> since if we want to use the indicators we need applet support and most of the small panel imaplementations that exist dont have it | 15:55 |
| ogra | <ogra> but thats for the discussion | 15:55 |
| lool | ogra: Is it really ARM specific? | 15:56 |
| ogra | (from above) | 15:56 |
| lool | I'm fine discussing it in the ARM track, but I wonder if it's going to impact desktop or whether they have differing plans | 15:56 |
| ogra | lool, well, specific to efl using images with low RAM i'd say | 15:56 |
| lool | I'd hate ending up with one panel for ARM and one panel for rest or such | 15:56 |
| ogra | not so much for ARM as a hardware, but very much for the possible ARM hardware that might be supported in the future | 15:57 |
| ogra | and i doubt desktop has *any* plans in that direction | 15:57 |
| lool | ogra: It doens't sound like a too good idea to have multiple implementations of the panel; moving parts, multiple code bases to maintain, ... | 15:57 |
| persia | lool: certainly. I'm not advocating mukluk is ready now, just that the concept shouldn't be rejected for production in a general way. | 15:57 |
| lool | ogra: So I think you should involve desktop and find a way which works for everybody | 15:57 |
| ogra | well, but you dont need the majority of things the current panel pulls into your memory | 15:58 |
| lool | New name https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/arm-m-image-builds-without-root | 15:58 |
| ogra | at least on efl | 15:58 |
| lool | ogra: So if you dont need them with ARM, you dont need them for other hardware | 15:58 |
| ogra | right | 15:58 |
| ogra | but other hardware might have less speed/size constraints | 15:58 |
| lool | ogra: Could you make sure you discuss this with didrocks and the plans are agreed upon on the two teams (desktop and | 15:59 |
| lool | mobile) | 15:59 |
| ogra | asac was initially proposing to actually enhance the efl launcher | 15:59 |
| ogra | to be able to embed the bits and pieces we want | 15:59 |
| ogra | possibly thats a better idea, not sure | 15:59 |
| lool | I added didrocks as participation essential | 15:59 |
| ogra | ok | 15:59 |
| lool | ogra: You might want mterry? | 16:00 |
| lool | added him | 16:01 |
| sveinse | A little OT: Do you know if there's there an ongoing effort to make a new (upgraded) version of the beagle board? | 16:01 |
| persia | I can't imagine there isn't, but I'd recommend asking in #beagle | 16:01 |
| ogra | lool, ++ | 16:01 |
| lool | sveinse: as in hardware? | 16:01 |
| lool | sveinse: Google Beagleboard XM | 16:02 |
| sveinse | lool, yes. Specifically one with SATA | 16:02 |
| sveinse | Thanks, I'll check it out | 16:02 |
| ogra | i dont think there are plans for SATA support | 16:02 |
| ogra | but there are several addon boards that might enable you to attach a self built SATA solution | 16:03 |
| ogra | prpplague might be someone who can point you to any | 16:03 |
| suihkulokki | omap has no sata so the only practical way for sata support would usb-sata bridge.. | 16:03 |
| * prpplague looks in | 16:03 | |
| lool | No SATA on OMAP3 | 16:04 |
| XorA | prpplague: see I told you guys was asking for SATA :-) | 16:04 |
| sveinse | join #beagle | 16:04 |
| lool | sveinse: The SoC doesn't provide SATA; the only ARMv7 one I know of is the Dove one | 16:04 |
| prpplague | a standard PATA->SATA bridge can be added to the omap3 gpmc , problem is that the beagle doesn't bring it out | 16:04 |
| sveinse | Interesting though... Maybe TI has something like that in its pipe. The generic base board of my AM3517 eval kit (a Zoom2 kit) has a SATA connector. But for OMAP3 its NOOP :( | 16:06 |
| prpplague | sveinse: interesting, i'd like to see the schematic on tat | 16:16 |
| prpplague | that | 16:16 |
| sveinse | prpplague: It's just routed to some GPIO on the SoC. | 16:21 |
| sveinse | prpplague: This is the OEM mfg which makes the evalkit for TI: http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/zoom-am3517-evm-development-kit | 16:22 |
| prpplague | sveinse: hmm, the AM3517 has Sata ? | 16:22 |
| sveinse | prpplague: No. It does not. It only routed on the common baseboard which they obviously share between a number of SoCs | 16:23 |
| sveinse | prpplague: I was speculating if newer cores (OMAP4 perhaps?) had SATA | 16:23 |
| kblin | hey folks | 16:23 |
| sveinse | prpplague: ..since they have added it to the board I mean | 16:23 |
| kblin | rootstock is failing for me on a current lucid system | 16:24 |
| prpplague | sveinse: oh so the base board has a sata connector but no sata support? | 16:24 |
| kblin | the error message is "/usr/bin/rootstock: 792: Bad substitution" | 16:24 |
| kblin | which seems a bit weird | 16:24 |
| sveinse | prpplague: yes. The SoC is on a daughter board (which they name SoM) and then you plug it into a base board. The pins connected to the SATA is simply routed to some GPIO pins on the SOM. No PHY or anything | 16:25 |
| kblin | is there any way of telling rootstock to not delete downloaded files? | 16:26 |
| prpplague | sveinse: ahh ok | 16:27 |
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| abogani | Sorry for off-topic: Are there someone TI employee here? | 18:16 |
| ojn | abogani: you can find a bunch of TI folks at linux-omap | 18:17 |
| ojn | #linux-omap that is | 18:17 |
| vstehle | abogani: yep. May I help? | 18:17 |
| abogani | ojn: Thanks and sorry again :-) | 18:17 |
| abogani | vstehle: May I disturb you for a simple question in private? (it is really off-topic here) | 18:18 |
| vstehle | abogani: Sure. | 18:19 |
| rcn-ee | kblin, that 792: is a bashism i introduced, fix is waiting for review: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/rootstock-bashism/revision/96 | 18:33 |
| lool | NCommander: Hey you got our pings earlier? | 18:37 |
| lool | rcn-ee: ${KERNEL_IMG_REL%%_*} might be nicer (no fork) | 18:38 |
| lool | and isn't a bashism | 18:38 |
| lool | KERNEL_IMG_REL=foo_bar_bas | 18:39 |
| lool | echo ${KERNEL_IMG_REL%%_*} | 18:39 |
| lool | => foo | 18:39 |
| rcn-ee | cool, that's a lot nicer lool.. | 18:39 |
| rcn-ee | yeah, that works sweet.. keeps learning new things.. lool, have you had any insights to the qemu lockup? | 18:43 |
| lool | rcn-ee: qemu lockup > I'm afraid not | 18:48 |
| lool | rcn-ee: I actually wonder whether anybody tried reproducing and then installing a bunch of dbgsym from apt and dpkg and getting a backtrace? | 18:48 |
| lool | there's also the possibility of offering a gdb server in qemu (-s flag I think) | 18:48 |
| rcn-ee | okay.. what's weird, randomly 1/50 I'll get past that lockup and as soon as apt-get is almost done configuring it'll segfault... | 18:49 |
| lool | rcn-ee: I wonder whether it could be related to the memory in use | 18:49 |
| lool | rcn-ee: One thing to try would be adding swap | 18:50 |
| rcn-ee | yeap, tried both those.. added more swap, having qemu access a spare fast hardrive instead of image.. i was playing around with the apt-dbsym's jsut not sure how to change the apt-get call to work under gdb.. | 18:51 |
| lool | rcn-ee: You dont need to change it | 18:51 |
| lool | rcn-ee: just attach to the hung process | 18:51 |
| lool | gdb /usr/bin/apt-get and then "attach 1234" where 1234 is the pid | 18:51 |
| lool | or hack rootstock to apt-get install the -dbgsym first, and run gdb apt-get -c 'set args install xyz; run' | 18:52 |
| rcn-ee | okay, that's what it is... "-c <stuff>; run" I'll fire up another run.. (i have quick hack to get the dbsym's installed first already) | 18:54 |
| lool | rcn-ee: Sorry, it's -x with an input file, no -c (command) in gdb | 18:57 |
| lool | rcn-ee: Or --args | 18:57 |
| * lool disappears | 18:58 | |
| rcn-ee | I'm going to have to hold up anyways.. the ddebs's i used previously have disappeared off ddebs.ubuntu.com... | 18:58 |
| rcn-ee | (older versions exist) | 18:58 |
| NCommander | lool: pings recieved w.r.t. to ARM softbootloader | 18:58 |
| lool | NCommander: Ok, so do you agree it doens't need discussion at UDS? | 19:10 |
| lool | NCommander: But just implementation in maverick? | 19:10 |
| lool | rcn-ee: Yes, ddebs are large, we only keep the last one | 19:10 |
| NCommander | lool: I suspose. I think there are still points that could be discussed such as making it the default boot mechanism, etc. | 19:11 |
| rcn-ee | yeah: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/a/apt/ except it only has karmic's... lucid's is 0.7.25.3 (which was there a week ago.) .;) | 19:11 |
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| NCommander | lool: BTW, be expecting another spec from me on improved ARM subarch detection so its something a bit less specific than the hardware field; I'll still drafted it however | 19:12 |
| rcn-ee | NCommander, btw any chance can we get an override, (for external kernels that share the same hardware id)? | 19:16 |
| NCommander | rcn-ee: that's what we need to fix | 19:17 |
| rcn-ee | ahh. cool.. | 19:17 |
| NCommander | rcn-ee: which board is this for? | 19:17 |
| NCommander | (and for lucid or maverick?) | 19:17 |
| rcn-ee | pretty much any ti board i work on.. (specificly the beagle and beagle xm) | 19:17 |
| NCommander | rcn-ee: I thought beagle XM won't boot a standard OMAP3 kernel (yet) | 19:18 |
| NCommander | rcn-ee: can I PM you? | 19:18 |
| rcn-ee | sure no problem... yeap it doesn't boot my or ubuntu's kernel but it does boot on angstrom psp.. although the ram settings are still iffy last i talked to jason and gerald... | 19:19 |
| ogra | rcn-ee, did you forget to push your changed to the branch ? | 19:32 |
| * ogra doesnt see a change | 19:32 | |
| ogra | *changes | 19:32 |
| rcn-ee | ogra, launchpad is error-ring out all morning today for me.. ;) (it's not refreshing any of my branches on the http interface) | 19:33 |
| ogra | ah, k | 19:34 |
| ogra | there was an update today and it was r/o for quite a while | 19:34 |
| ogra | (lp update) | 19:34 |
| rcn-ee | yeap... but i'll try pushing that last diff (lool's version) i emailed you to a branch, or you could apply it as is.. (for an sru do you need a bug report?) | 19:35 |
| ogra | bug would be helpful but i can also file it myself | 19:36 |
| ogra | oh, i missed that there was an attachmendt in the mail, sorry | 19:37 |
| rcn-ee | laughs... that's what happens when i quickly top post'd... ;) heads back to work. | 19:39 |
| lool | NCommander: Please register the spec ASAP then | 20:02 |
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