[00:42] the schedule for UDS is up at summit.ubuntu.com [02:10] My lulu order has just been shipped out. Yay! [02:26] yay [02:26] that must mean mine has too [02:26] where do you check? [02:28] awh [02:28] mine is still "Fulfilling" [02:28] probably coz I ordered two [02:29] I think I went with one day shipping [02:29] Martin doesn't leave till saturday night [06:24] hello [06:24] * IlyaHaykinson waves [06:25] I have a question: how do I get ss uploaded by quockshot? [06:26] I looked into the ubuntu-manual-screenshots project, but it's empty [06:27] i'm afraid you'll need to ask ubuntujenkins [06:28] thanks [06:30] I'll ask on the mailing list [06:30] sorry i'm not of much help. [06:30] I wanted to search, but it's not searchable [06:30] i think there's a screenshot server, where it'll upload the screenshots [06:30] but i don't know the process [06:31] godbyk may also know enough to help. [06:31] I see this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots [06:31] What's up? [06:32] hi godbyk [06:32] Hey, jcisio. [06:32] Do you know how to incorporate screenshots into the manual? [06:32] I couldn't find the uploaded ss nowhere [06:33] ubuntujenkins will pull the screenshots for a translation and place them in the lucid-e1 branch. Then they'll be automatically incorporated into the manual when I next compile it. [06:33] jcisio: Which language are you working on? [06:33] and what if I want to test now? [06:33] vi [06:33] Vietnamese [06:34] You can see the progress of the screenshots here: http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/ [06:34] Since the Vietnamese screenshots are done, it looks like you should be able to download a zip file of all of them. [06:34] great, thanks I'll download it [06:34] If you drop them into the screenshots/vi/ directory and compile ubuntu-manual-vi.pdf, it should pull them in automatically. [06:34] Don't upload the screenshots to the branch, though. [06:35] yeah [06:35] ubuntujenkins checks over them manually to make sure they're all okay first. [06:35] But you can at least compile a local copy that way. [06:36] It looks like there's a ways to go yet on the Vietnamese translation, too. [06:40] there's someone who translated the whole manual himself, we'll commit it into LP in a day or two [06:40] Oh, wow! [06:41] That's a lot of text to translate by themselves. [06:41] We're going to have a meeting on Thursday to better define the process for releasing the translated editions. [06:42] But the basic plan at this point is to assign an editor to each translation. [06:42] one error when I compile the manual: the first time it returns error, I create manually an empty ubuntu-manual-vi.txt, it is ok then [06:42] The editor will handle proofreading (others can help, of course), make sure the layout and design looks okay (I can help tweak things if needed), and give us the final word on when it's ready to be released. [06:43] jcisio: Can you paste the .log file contents to http://paste.ubuntu.com/? I'll take a look for you. [06:43] I don't recall if I've set up the Vietnamese fonts and whatnot yet. [06:46] ok I'll paste it, I worked on another computer [06:46] however there a few missing images [06:47] 57 in screenshots/en, but only 48 in vi [06:47] for example 01-ubuntu-login.png is missing by Quickshot [06:48] I think a few screenshots are just copies of the English versions. [06:48] I'm not sure which ones, though. [06:51] I think a few screenshots are just copies of the English versions. [06:51] I'm not sure which ones, though. [06:55] Hello! === jcisio_ is now known as jcisio [07:04] godbyk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/427434/ [07:06] jcisio: Hmm.. I'm not sure what that error means. po4a is complaining about something. [07:08] then I do this http://paste.ubuntu.com/427436/ [07:08] recompile, and it fails [07:08] then a "make clean", recompile, and this time it's ok [07:08] don't know why [07:09] Well, the po4a-translate line is what generates the .tex file. [07:09] The .tex file contains the source (all of the text). [07:11] ok, I just report that, now I can compile, it's ok lol (the first time when I compiled en_US it's ok, too), so it's po4a problem [07:12] okay [07:12] po4a is kind of finicky sometimes. [07:12] the last question: is it normal that there are plenty of Warning? Will it pass the QA? [07:14] uh no, another question, as you said about the font [07:14] Vietnamese fonts are not good in the manual [07:15] some capital characters are converted to lowercase [07:15] jcisio: It looks like I haven't set up any Vietnamese fonts yet. [07:15] jcisio: I'm open to suggestions if you have some in mind that would look good in a book. [07:16] I think any Unicode font should be ok [07:18] I think we will have some idea once we finish the translation [07:19] morning all [07:19] jcisio: how can i help you? [07:21] jcisio: It looks like our current font *should* support all of the Vietnamese characters. [07:21] ubuntujenkins: Luke, I just approved SunK to the Quickshot team. He's been doing python for about two years and is keen to help out. [07:21] hey ubuntujenkins [07:21] humphreybc: yust saw it :-) [07:22] hey SunK welcome along to quickshot I have a few pages for you to read. If I can remerbr the factoids [07:22] +qssource [07:22] The main development focus for the gui can be viewed by doing "bzr branch lp:quickshot" . The server source is "bzr branch lp:quickshot/server ". You can browse it here https://code.launchpad.net/quickshot [07:22] +style [07:22] The Quickshot code base tries to follow some conventions a list of them is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/style . [07:23] SunK: If you have a read of those, what would you like to do? [07:23] +newdesign [07:23] The new design idea can be found here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp . This is just a guide of how Quickshot might look in the next release. [07:23] oh yeah style guides [07:23] there thats it I think I forget the links all the time so I made a bot :-) [07:25] The new design is what we aim to create this time. some more of our aims are on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/next-release-plan [07:25] I would prefer the backend stuff [07:26] so not the gui, but the code behind it right? [07:26] hey ubuntujenkins, problem solved by godbyk :) [07:26] yeah [07:26] ok jcisio [07:26] jcisio: It looks like I need to set up a couple extra thing for Vietnamese so that the type renders correctly (especially with the positioning of the accents). [07:27] SunK: few team members to meet hemanth and Red_HamsterX are the onl ones on line at the moment. Red_HamsterX deals with the server stuff [07:27] not only accents, but also fonts [07:27] oh ic [07:27] check it out at http://jcisio.com/upload/ubuntu-manual-vi.pdf [07:27] SunK: Have a look at the main branch lp:quickshot and familirize your self with it [07:27] o/ [07:28] look at header of page 8 [07:28] will get on that [07:28] some capital characters (those with accents) are in lowercase [07:29] jcisio: Give me just a couple minutes and I'll take a look at them. [07:29] when I do LaTeX in Vietnamese, I use this: \usepackage[utf8]{vietnam}\usepackage{lmodern} [07:30] SunK: we haven't done much since the last release mostly as I have exams for a while but there is plenty to do. humphreybc is doing some mock ups of the design to amke it easiery to make [07:31] okay [07:31] SunK: if you know anything about web application development, we could use some help in the very near future for a project we're going to start soon [07:31] humphreybc: don't nab him :) [07:31] I have playing around with django for a while [07:31] nothing fancy though [07:32] ubuntujenkins: hehe [07:32] this would be an HTML5, CSS, javascript thing I would think [07:32] jcisio: We're using XeLaTeX and polyglossia. [07:34] jcisio: Can you point out a couple spots where the capital letters have been malformed? [07:34]  ắ ầ   ớ  . [07:35] oh no, copy paste from pdf shows weird things [07:35] That's okay. [07:35] You're looking at the small-caps in the running head? [07:35] The manual title at the top of the even-numbered pages? [07:35] but in the header (p.8 for example), all letters with accents are in lowercase instead of SMALLCAP [07:35] yes [07:36] Okay. I'm guessing we don't have small-caps versions of those characters. [07:36] I'll file a bug against the font. [07:36] If we can't get them soon enough, we can check other fonts. [07:50] godbyk: am i alright to add the el gl and de screenshots to lucid-e1? [07:50] ubuntujenkins: Sure, go ahead. [07:51] Lemme know when you're done. I've got a couple things to push to that branch, too. [07:51] ok will do [07:54] godbyk: pushed r 825 [07:54] ubuntujenkins: thanks [07:55] that is all the complete langauges as far screenshots are concerned [07:59] I just pushed updated translations. [08:10] ubuntujenkins, humphreybc thanks guys...I'm all setup now [08:11] sweet! [08:23] for anyone wondering what we do in New Zealand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoW7boJbkkg [08:24] SunK: cool [08:30] SunK: the code is very messy at the moment last release was a rush to get a working program this release is a rewrite from scratch pretty much [08:33] skinny jeans to UDS or no? [08:33] ubuntujenkins: oh [08:34] ubuntujenkins: I was just looking at some of the code [08:34] we will be reusing allot of it, some just needs making better, putting in different places. Comments need to be improved an such like [08:35] time for me to hit the sack...getting late here [08:35] will be back...ciao [08:35] ok night SunK I am around day time utc so shout when you are next on [08:37] humphreybc: you know the groundcontrol swirl we were talking about well.......... [08:43] ubuntujenkins: yeah? [08:44] we need one thats about 60 x 60 pixels if you stumble across one. Or get bored an feel like designing one :) [08:44] the ground control ones are tiny [08:44] yeah [08:44] okay [08:44] knowing Martin, they'll be vector based SVGs [08:45] they svgs but they look silly huge [08:45] right [08:45] i'll work something out :) [08:45] thanks have a look at ground control to see what they look like its made of 8 image [08:47] okay [08:50] humphreybc: no jeans, business suit with tie, if you don't want to be off-beat! [08:53] I don't own a suit, or a tie! [08:54] the nicest thing I have is a sports jacket, with some dark boot cut jeans and a shit underneath. I don't have suits or any of that shiz [08:55] humphreybc: now seriously, i saw a lot of 3rd rate t-shirts, jeans, sandals ... but too bad you can't go for a partner look with doctormo ;) [08:55] hahaha [08:56] i thought i saw no suits in the videos i've seen of UDS' [08:56] Martin and I shall be juxtaposed beautifully [09:08] a google wave wannabe written in python: http://pygowave.net/ too bad the project looks rather dead [09:09] google wave itself is dead [09:31] This doesn't bode well. [09:31] internet again? [09:31] godbyk ? [09:31] My PC has been dropped off the network from both of it's network cards over the past couple days. [09:31] I originally thought it might be just the network switch it's plugged into. [09:31] lol, you do seem to have a few PC problems [09:32] Now I'm guessing it's either the router, the Ethernet cable from the router, or my PC's on-board NICs. [09:32] Yeah, I've had it for a while now. It's probably about time to build a new one. [09:32] how long's a while? [09:32] Right now I'm connected to the network via a wireless USB dongle. [09:32] I think I built this in 2005 or 2006. [09:34] ubuntujenkins: No, I am at work now. [09:34] I'll be back in just a couple minutes. [09:34] I'm going to trace this Ethernet line and see if something's up with it. [09:35] hey ChrisWoollard [09:35] hello [09:37] hey ChrisWoollard [09:37] humphreybc: Hello [09:40] I'm going to reboot my router. I'll be right back. === popey_ is now known as popey [10:51] hola nisshh [10:54] hey [10:54] watching some stargate atlantis, thought i might sit in here at the same time [10:54] I am learning activity based costing [11:00] ubuntujenkins: what is that?? [11:01] nisshh: some finance thing for working out how much a product should be sold for i think. [11:02] wow I know something [11:03] ubuntujenkins: right :) [11:55] humphreybc: I think this might be big enough for quickshot http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/process-working.png . what do you think? [11:55] that's nice [11:56] just have to work out how to make it move. [11:56] hehe [12:45] everyone check this out: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/windicators-ubuntu-meerkat-innovation.html [12:46] I have seen it nisshh . Not convinced it will work but we shall wait and see. [12:47] lol! , weird that a re-post gets more attention than the main post ;) go OMG ;p [12:47] https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01703.html [12:47] some of my thoughts on it [12:48] to be honest, the first thing i said was not "WOW!" it was "WHAT!" [12:49] humphreybc: sometimes you could reply just imagining that the world is not depending on your approval ;) [12:49] * vish runs [12:49] hahaha [12:50] * nisshh follows vish [12:50] humphreybc: i agree with quite a few of your points there! [12:52] to be honest i have no idea how im going to get around this [12:52] i want to switch to KDE because of this but at the same time im a GNOME app dev too... AARRRHHH! [12:53] ew, don't switch to KDE [12:53] It's not the end of the world, everything can still be changed [12:53] humphreybc: have you tried KDE 4.4.2 SC yet? [12:53] for example, buttons, you can stick them wherever you like [12:53] its really good [12:53] yep, hated it [12:53] :) [12:53] lol [12:54] humphreybc: i also dont really like gnome-shell that much [12:54] gnome shell is also terrible, at least right now [12:54] plus the fact that it wont have any decent features for over a year atleast [12:55] humphreybc: its not the left placed buttons i have a problem with, i think they are great [12:55] plus gnome shell is slower than KDE for me currently [12:56] its a CPU hog for intel hardware! [12:56] * nisshh is done ranting now :) [12:56] lol [12:56] that made me feel better! [12:57] humphreybc: you have to admit that kwin is far better than metacity [13:00] sure [13:03] humphreybc: also, iv been working hard on that bzr noob script and its coming together now, it should be ready by the meeting on thursday [13:11] great! [13:11] Ground Control is also fixed apparently [13:29] the total number of manual downloads is 55377 [13:30] 42 books sold [13:31] nice godbyk I just got a 404 message for one of the stats pages is this e-mail correct? webmaster@stats.ubuntu-manual.org [13:32] humphreybc: ubuntujenkins> the total number of manual downloads is 55377 [13:32] 42 books sold [13:32] Hmm.. I don't know where that address would go. Maybe limbo. [13:32] wholly shit [13:32] we're over 50,000! [13:32] surely not *all* of those people are OMG! readers [13:33] 44545 from out site alone 2193 from omg [13:33] hmm [13:33] where did those 44,000 come from though =S [13:33] #ubuntu uses !ubuntu-manual [13:33] alot [13:34] !ubuntu-manual [13:34] Factoid 'ubuntu-manual' not found [13:34] oh really? [13:34] !ubuntumanual [13:34] Factoid 'ubuntumanual' not found [13:34] !manual [13:34] The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [13:34] yes I have manual on highlight [13:34] but manualbot doesn't chill out in #ubuntu, does it? [13:34] no manual bot is sinked with ubot [13:34] nice [13:34] synced* [13:35] sebsebseb suggested it for ubot and then manual bot got it [13:37] what's the stats URL again? [13:37] I've switched browsers so it's not there in Midori [13:37] stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 and stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9 [13:38] danke [13:46] be back in a bit [13:52] Shock horror! [13:55] humphreybc: i thought you didnt like midori?? [13:56] I'm warming to it, i've found some more things that allow you to customize it some more [13:56] but the real shock horror is that my window buttons are on the left and they may stay that way [13:56] I actually don't mind em there [13:56] humphreybc: enlighten me, im starting to be put off firefox again and chromium is giving me issues [13:56] humphreybc: neither do i [13:57] well, you can change Midori to pretend to be Safari or Firefox so Gmail 2.0 works with it, which is good [13:57] AND i found out ubuntu tweak can swap them over too [13:57] pretend? [13:57] you should add the PPA for midori and get the latest version [13:57] yeah, Google doesn't support the Midori browser, but Gmail works with it anyway, you just have to pretend to be someone else [13:58] adding the ppa now [13:58] it's not as refined as Chrome, and it's lacking some features due to it being in GTK, but it makes up for that in raw speed and integrating into your theme [13:58] you have to add the webkit team PPA too [13:59] ok [13:59] as far as being stable, it's not as stable as chrome but stable enough. there are a few things I'd change, and a couple of them are already scheduled to be fixed soon [13:59] but yeah, it's cool. make sure you check out the extension "customize toolbar" and also the keyboard shortcuts one [14:00] right [14:00] humphreybc: you should use chromium instead of chrome [14:00] meh [14:00] I don't like the name :P [14:00] grrrr problem with the ubuntu keyserver [14:00] what's the difference, apart from the name and branding? [14:00] oh, and the fact that chrome now has flash built in but chromium doesn't [14:01] branding and privacy options [14:01] flash built in = win [14:01] meh, I trust Google. They already know everything about me anyway! [14:01] only if they managed to get you naked on streetview! [14:01] lol [14:02] hehe, apparently some chick in america appears like 7 times on streetview [14:02] creepy or what?? [14:03] looks like ill have to add the ppas manually [14:05] oh freaking hell! [14:05] the keyserver is sooooooo sloooooooooww [14:05] lol [14:07] what id really like to see is a web browser built purely for speed and without ANY extra features [14:07] chromium + midori [14:08] that's sort of midori [14:08] grrr cant reach the ubuntu keyserver right now [14:08] yea, but midori isnt as fast as chrome yet if you ask me [14:08] not quite [14:08] if midori used the v8 js engine it would boost its speed [14:09] i find midori faster than chrome [14:09] it has a different way of rendering websites to at least give the impression it's quicker [14:09] yea [14:09] because it seems to load stuff as it goes, whereas chrome waits for most of the site to be loaded and then displays it [14:10] i have found midori good for just reading online docs and stuff [14:10] no flash, java or anything [14:10] it handles flash, java etc [14:10] i'm finding it an ample replacement for chrome at the moment [14:10] oh does it? didnt know that [14:11] what about extensions? missing them yet? [14:11] it does feel naked without them [14:11] it has a few extensions built by the developers, but I never use extensions [14:11] didn't in FF, didn't in chrome [14:11] I don't need dancing hula girls on my browser, I just want to get work done or concentrate on facebook :) [14:12] hmmm, the one big turn off is the rather bad ad blocker [14:12] i've never used an ad blocker [14:12] very true, no distractions is good [14:12] what does it do? [14:12] blocks ads, obviously [14:12] WHAT!? [14:12] i never see ads? [14:12] maybe i just don't go to sites with ads [14:12] you never use adblock plus in firefox? [14:13] launchpad and gmail doesn't really have that many ads [14:13] nope [14:13] ARE YOU INSANE!? [14:13] hehe [14:13] adblock plus is only THE MOST POPULAR FF extension! [14:14] i think its had over 200 million downloads or something [14:14] plus, gmail has ads in it [14:15] mine doesnt [14:15] gmail has like one tiny ad that you can turn off [14:15] i like ads, some of them are quite funny [14:15] ok, good point [14:15] humphreybc: get d0od to fix omg [14:15] pages do load much quicker without ads [14:15] popey: what's wrong with it? [14:16] ads are always the last thing to load [14:16] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/canonical-licenses-h264.html [14:16] look at teh first links in that story [14:16] you can't middle click them to open in a new tab [14:16] (which isn't an unreasonable thing to do) [14:16] and if you highlight a piece of text the dumb dropdown thing at the top tries to search those terms online [14:16] I can [14:16] it works okay in Midori [14:17] popey: control + click [14:17] not in chrome [14:17] no, middle click works everywhere else [14:17] if i have to change the way I click on your site, then your site is broken [14:17] see, here's an example of what one might consider a "feature" :P [14:17] I personally don't think any of that cruft is necessary [14:17] yes [14:17] you dont need 7 ways to do the same thing [14:18] middle click has always worked [14:18] since firefox first introduced tabs [14:18] just like the new stuff in maverick [14:18] although it is kinda cool how you can hover over the book beside canonical and it brings up a little window with the wiki page [14:18] its not the book, its the whole link [14:18] kinda cool = anti-productive [14:18] * humphreybc tries in chrome [14:20] highlight some text too, press ctrl+c to copy, you get the popdown [14:20] you're right, middle click doesn't work but ctrl + click and right click, open in new tab works [14:20] I don't get that in chrome [14:20] Canonical are currently the only Linux company to license H.264/AVC, the patented non-free technology used to compress video and favoured by companies such as Apple & Microsoft for HTML5 Video. [14:20] I can copy stuff without the dropdown appearing [14:20] i am on windows here, dunno if that makes any difference [14:21] i think the middle click thing is just the widget, i don't think Joey can edit that. He'd just have to remove [14:21] remove it* [14:21] popey: thats a likely reason [14:21] it probably does something fancy like backlinks to get one more RSS subscriber or something, that's usually a reason :P [14:22] "But this huge amount of crap at the bottom of my articles gets me one more subscriber a month! It's worth it!" [14:22] might be moving to wordpress some time this year anyway [14:22] darn it, dont you just hate it when you want to test out something new and you have trouble with a keyserver? [14:23] heh [14:23] * nisshh is now grumpy! [14:24] nisshh: the one in the ubuntu repos is 0.2.2 [14:24] the PPA is only 0.2.4 [14:24] not a huge difference, if you wanted to install the repo one for now to try it out until the keyserver behaves [14:24] dude, 0.2.4 is newer [14:25] yea, i have the repo one installed from a week or so ago [14:25] there's an even newer version you can build from source if you want :P [14:25] go into #midori and there's a nice chap in there who will walk you through it [14:25] humphreybc: hmmmm, nah! [14:25] ah well, mo more omg for me then [14:25] popey: because of middle clicks? [14:26] that's like changing to fedora because ubuntu moved the window buttons to the left! [14:26] because of both those usability issues [14:26] hehe [14:26] i find it incredibily frustrating to use sites that bend/break browser default behaviour [14:26] okay then! [14:26]