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| davidm | Morning NCommander | 14:00 |
| davidm | ogra, please grab the Freescale call, suggest shutting it down as there is nothing to do at this time | 14:01 |
| * GrueMaster yawns | 14:03 | |
| ogra | #startmeeting | 14:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:04. The chair is ogra. | 14:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:04 |
| ogra | heya | 14:04 |
| dmart | hi | 14:04 |
| ian_brasil | hi | 14:04 |
| ogra | seems the agenda isnt properly filled and i have no idea what the action items from last week were | 14:04 |
| * ogra sighs | 14:05 | |
| dmart | I wasn't here last weeek | 14:05 |
| davidm | Were there any? It was release week | 14:05 |
| ogra | there was "fill out the arm release notes" for asac and me | 14:05 |
| ogra | (i'm still waiting for NCommander to add the dove install instructions, the rest is done) | 14:05 |
| ogra | i dont remember what else | 14:06 |
| ogra | i know there were a bunch | 14:06 |
| NCommander | sorry for being tardy | 14:06 |
| ogra | ok, there was: NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image | 14:07 |
| ogra | looked fine, i tested it right away | 14:07 |
| plars | as did I | 14:07 |
| NCommander | no unexpected scrollbarsin sight | 14:07 |
| plars | stuff like google maps, yahoo, etc looked normal again | 14:07 |
| ogra | and there was "asac and ogra to flesh out release notes" | 14:08 |
| ogra | which was done modulo the dove install instructions <- NCommander please add | 14:08 |
| NCommander | ogra: add an action item for me on that (I'm currently updating the karmic ones) | 14:08 |
| ogra | and there was a carry over for dyfet to add a check for v6->v7 upgrades to update-manager | 14:08 |
| ogra | NCommander, just copy paste and remove mentioning of karmic ... if you really do it after the meeting we dont need an extra action imho | 14:09 |
| NCommander | ogra: I need to update the bootloader section | 14:09 |
| ogra | dyfet, has an SRU patch been created for mvo to inspect for u-m ? | 14:09 |
| ogra | [action] NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes | 14:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes | 14:10 |
| ogra | hmm, no dyfet | 14:11 |
| ogra | so i suspect thats a c/o | 14:11 |
| ogra | [action] dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU | 14:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU | 14:12 |
| ogra | ok | 14:12 |
| ogra | moving on | 14:12 |
| ogra | [topic] Standing Items | 14:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Standing Items | 14:12 |
| ogra | i guess we dont need to look at the workitem tracker atm | 14:12 |
| persia | There's a new one, but it's mostly empty :) | 14:13 |
| NCommander | Mostly just need to get specs for UDS up and improved | 14:13 |
| ogra | neither on any of the other items in that section or do we ? | 14:13 |
| ogra | so did everyone who has poposed spec for UDS talk to lool ? | 14:13 |
| ogra | to get them approved and scheduled ? | 14:13 |
| ogra | (iirc lool is supposed to approve/decline unless that changed, though nobody told us yet) | 14:14 |
| asac | feel free to talk to me ;) | 14:14 |
| asac | NCommander: please submit your spec against ubuntu-arm project | 14:14 |
| ogra | [action] everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination | 14:15 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination | 14:15 |
| asac | or keep it where it is ... hjowever, i think its best to file it against ubuntu-arm as in that way we will track it | 14:15 |
| NCommander | asac: huh? | 14:15 |
| ogra | [action] everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project | 14:15 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project | 14:15 |
| ogra | anything else we need to discuss on the standing items ? | 14:16 |
| persia | I think all the specs for Ubuntu ought be done against ubuntu. It's a huge pain to move stuff against projects to be against distros (we encountered this previously when fussing with ubuntu-mobile project, and that is part of why we gave up the ubuntu-mobile LP project) | 14:16 |
| persia | No maverick images available yet :) | 14:16 |
| ogra | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs disagrees :) | 14:17 |
| * NCommander has everything submitted against ubuntu with davidm as the approver. If we're going to chang ehow we're filing blueprints, that should have been annoyanvced ages ago | 14:17 | |
| asac | NCommander: it was announced | 14:17 |
| ogra | NCommander, it was announced about four to six weeks ago | 14:17 |
| asac | multiple times | 14:17 |
| ogra | right | 14:17 |
| * NCommander sighs | 14:17 | |
| ogra | not the ubuntu-arm project but that lool should be approver for all specs at least | 14:17 |
| persia | ogra: How does that disagree? Looks like someone else is trying to experiment with a separate project again and will have the same pain later. | 14:17 |
| asac | mobile team has no own track ... so if its arm related it should be ubuntu-on-arm | 14:18 |
| davidm | all blueprints are approved by lool | 14:18 |
| ogra | davidm, it was delegated to asac | 14:18 |
| davidm | NCommander, I am not involved this cycle | 14:18 |
| ogra | [link] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs | 14:19 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs | 14:19 |
| ogra | so lets move on unless someone else has anything for the spec topic | 14:19 |
| asac | thanks ogra | 14:19 |
| * ogra skips up to image status | 14:19 | |
| ogra | [topic] ARM Image Status | 14:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status | 14:19 |
| ogra | i saw that NCommander asked that imx51 and dove images get disabled | 14:20 |
| ogra | which apparently happened | 14:20 |
| ogra | (thanks cjwatson ) | 14:20 |
| ogra | since both wont have supported kernels in ubuntu for maverick | 14:21 |
| ogra | (yet) | 14:21 |
| NCommander | ogra: can you action item me to post a bzr branch to also drop imx51/dove there (the netboot images are still being generated) | 14:21 |
| ogra | omap and versatile images will persist for now | 14:21 |
| NCommander | er | 14:21 |
| NCommander | drop imx51/dove in d-i | 14:21 |
| ogra | yes | 14:21 |
| persia | NCommander: Don't drop it: just leave it unused. | 14:21 |
| NCommander | persia: ? | 14:22 |
| ogra | [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i | 14:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i | 14:22 |
| ogra | hrm | 14:22 |
| ogra | [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i | 14:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i | 14:22 |
| ogra | thats better :) | 14:22 |
| ogra | we want to keep omap and versatile :) | 14:23 |
| ogra | anything else on images ? | 14:23 |
| NCommander | 10.04 was aweseom? | 14:23 |
| NCommander | *awesome | 14:23 |
| ogra | agreed :) | 14:23 |
| NCommander | I think we're good on images | 14:24 |
| ogra | ok, moving ong | 14:24 |
| ogra | *on :) | 14:24 |
| ogra | [topic] AOB | 14:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 14:25 |
| ogra | any having anything ? | 14:25 |
| NCommander | thank you ogra for taking over | 14:26 |
| NCommander | and also | 14:26 |
| NCommander | Pepole, please post your ARs! (I'm not perfect on this either, but we really should have them all the wiki) | 14:26 |
| ogra | well | 14:28 |
| ogra | its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted | 14:28 |
| ogra | i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ... | 14:28 |
| ogra | so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess | 14:28 |
| ogra | thats all i had to say for AOB ... | 14:28 |
| ogra | anyone else ? | 14:28 |
| ogra | doesnt look like ... | 14:28 |
| ogra | how about we adjourn then ? :) | 14:28 |
| ogra | going once ... | 14:28 |
| ogra | going twice ... | 14:28 |
| ogra | #endmeeting | 14:28 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 08:28. | 14:28 |
| ogra | boo | 14:28 |
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| ogra | grr, sorry ... worst time for a disconnect | 14:30 |
| ogra | did i miss anything ? (can somebody paste in a PM if i did) | 14:30 |
| ogra | so what i said in AOB without noticing i was off ... | 14:30 |
| ogra | its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted | 14:31 |
| NCommander | ogra: no, everything posted through | 14:31 |
| ogra | i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ... | 14:31 |
| ogra | so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess | 14:31 |
| NCommander | you even closed out the meeting | 14:31 |
| ogra | oh :) | 14:31 |
| ogra | i did ? | 14:31 |
| ogra | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| ogra | right ... i didnt get any feedback :P | 14:31 |
| persia | You did. | 14:31 |
| ogra | great, enjoy your day then :) | 14:32 |
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| pitti | hello everyone | 15:00 |
| pitti | TB meeting time | 15:00 |
| pitti | cjwatson, sabdfl, kees, mdz, Keybuk: ping | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | hi | 15:00 |
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| sabdfl | hello | 15:00 |
| pitti | hey Colin, how are you? | 15:00 |
| pitti | our famous leader | 15:01 |
| * pitti sees Scott getting into his boots very fast | 15:01 | |
| pitti | mdz said he'd be here a little late | 15:02 |
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| cjwatson | semi-recovered | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | but only semi. Looking forward to dozing on the train tomorrow ;-) | 15:03 |
| pitti | heh, have a good rest! | 15:03 |
| sabdfl | sunsets should be great from the train, what with all the *ash* in the air ;-) | 15:04 |
| pitti | cjwatson: would you mind SMSing Scott? I'll SMS Kees | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | sure | 15:05 |
| pitti | ok, let's start for now | 15:07 |
| pitti | #startmeeting | 15:07 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:07. The chair is pitti. | 15:07 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:07 |
| pitti | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 15:07 |
| kees | hello, sorry i'm late | 15:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 15:07 |
| pitti | hey kees | 15:07 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Review of previous actions | 15:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review of previous actions | 15:08 |
| pitti | ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria | 15:08 |
| pitti | ScottK, Riddell: ^ any update, or push forward? | 15:08 |
| pitti | cjwatson to write up 2010-03-09 meeting minutes | 15:08 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I guess we'll push that? :-) | 15:08 |
| Riddell | pitti: started reviewing yesterday, will get it sorted this week | 15:08 |
| pitti | cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion | 15:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I think that happened, right? | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | not done yet, got eaten by release and I decided that it wasn't RC | 15:09 |
| pitti | Riddell: ooh, thanks! | 15:09 |
| pitti | [ACTION] ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria | 15:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | as in, nothing in the archive actually performed the problematic link | 15:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ah, so it's actually a non-issue completely? | 15:10 |
| pitti | (I thought last time we resolved to that it's not something we need to deal with?) | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | I still want to look at it | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk texted back to say he's on leave today | 15:11 |
| pitti | ok | 15:11 |
| pitti | [ACTION] cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion | 15:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion | 15:12 |
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks | 15:12 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:12 |
| pitti | not sure who added that | 15:12 |
| pitti | but I had a look today, and found two things, I put them on the agenda now | 15:12 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team | 15:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team | 15:13 |
| pitti | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html | 15:13 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html | 15:13 |
| pitti | does anyone have an opinion about this? to me this again sounds like DMB matter | 15:13 |
| Riddell | I'm not sure how the package list would be defined | 15:14 |
| Riddell | cjwatson likely knows the sort of magic for that | 15:14 |
| persia | I'd like to see it implemented as a seed (even if not a seed that ends up on a CD), just for ease of tracking. | 15:14 |
| kees | feels like dmb. if dmb has questions with it then it would hit TB? | 15:14 |
| pitti | I thought in terms of dependencies, as a basis for that list? | 15:15 |
| persia | kees: That matches the decision from last week, but it was TB prior to that (including at the time of the mail) | 15:15 |
| pitti | ICBW, but I think it needs to be a seed for the LP magic to work | 15:15 |
| Riddell | so I should talk to DMB and get approval there then find out who can implement it? | 15:15 |
| persia | Riddell: DMB can implement: the key bit is getting the list. I'm happy to help you put that together over the next week. | 15:16 |
| pitti | right, I don't think we can define them (technically) as a negative of seeds | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | we can define them however we like. a seed is easiest | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | but it's quite programmatic right now ... | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | tracing reverse build-dep graphs is a rather painful way to do it though | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | happy to sit down with somebody at UDS and try to thrash it out; that might be the easiest way | 15:17 |
| Riddell | ok, we can do that | 15:18 |
| pitti | thanks | 15:18 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution | 15:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution | 15:19 |
| pitti | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html | 15:19 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html | 15:19 |
| pitti | This came up on the ML again, and it's again a legal matter | 15:19 |
| mdz | pitti: here now | 15:19 |
| pitti | I don't feel that I can definitively answer this on my part, but my feeling is that it would be weird for these license to automatically apply for any other derivative | 15:19 |
| pitti | hello mdz, how are you? | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | I don't have the information necessary to respond to that; unless mdz or sabdfl happen to know, I assume we would have to refer this to Amanda? | 15:20 |
| mdz | pitti: I added the "scan the mailing list" topic to remind us to see if anything is outstanding from the list | 15:20 |
| pitti | does anyone know more? | 15:20 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ok, I can do that | 15:20 |
| mdz | I saw that on the mailing list, and I think it should be addressed to Canonical rather than to the TB | 15:20 |
| sabdfl | i believe the licenses he's referring are purely in support of OEMs in specific cases | 15:20 |
| pitti | sabdfl: that's what I expected, but I'm happy to confirm with Amanda | 15:21 |
| mdz | I don't think there's an issue here, but Canonical does need to respond | 15:21 |
| pitti | [ACTION] pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup | 15:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup | 15:22 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable? | 15:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable? | 15:22 |
| pitti | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html | 15:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html | 15:22 |
| pitti | ^ start of thread | 15:22 |
| pitti | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html | 15:23 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html | 15:23 |
| pitti | ^ summary | 15:23 |
| pitti | summary-summary: syncing from testing was perceived as a good decision for lucid by the majority of replies | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | thanks for the summary, that's helpful | 15:23 |
| kees | that was a pretty interesting thread. | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | I like the compromise proposal of syncing from unstable as normal, and then from testing for a little longer | 15:23 |
| pitti | but the general feeling is that we shouldn't do it all the time to not fall behind too much | 15:23 |
| pitti | my personal preference is to switch back to unstable for maverick | 15:24 |
| pitti | rationale: (1) Debian is approaching freeze, and (2) we just left the more conservative LTS cycle and need to catch up | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | I agree | 15:24 |
| pitti | what do you think? | 15:24 |
| kees | +1 | 15:24 |
| pitti | ah, let's do that for formality | 15:25 |
| kees | we could maybe consider switching to testing near/at DIF | 15:25 |
| pitti | [VOTE] switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing | 15:25 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing. | 15:25 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 15:25 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 15:25 |
| kees | (in addition) | 15:25 |
| kees | +1 | 15:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from kees. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:25 |
| pitti | +1 | 15:25 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pitti. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | +1 | 15:26 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 15:26 |
| mdz | pitti: is there a decision we need to make today? | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | we need to start autosyncing soon, yes | 15:26 |
| mdz | +1 | 15:26 |
| MootBot | +1 received from mdz. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 15:26 |
| pitti | mdz: we're about to open teh floodgates for maverick | 15:26 |
| pitti | once gcc-4.5 finishes building, I think we're good to go | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | and I'd like to switch MoM over appropriately | 15:26 |
| pitti | doko said that there's currently no new binutils which we urgently need (or none at all) | 15:26 |
| pitti | we need to look at perl maybe | 15:27 |
| pitti | sabdfl: do you have an opinion about it, or abstain? | 15:27 |
| kees | heh | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | gack | 15:28 |
| * pitti jumps back a step | 15:28 | |
| sabdfl | i concur that we should sync from unstable | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | and that LTS's deserve different treatment in that regard | 15:29 |
| sabdfl | sorry for closing the wrong window. it's those damn tab close icons in the wrong place. | 15:29 |
| sabdfl | ;-) | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | I can probably sort out perl before I finish up for the day ... | 15:29 |
| pitti | yeah, and close buttons on the wrong side, etc. | 15:29 |
| * pitti infers a +1 and.. | 15:29 | |
| pitti | [ENDVOTE] | 15:29 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 15:29 |
| sabdfl | +1 | 15:29 |
| pitti | cjwatson: are you okay with doing the switch in MoM? shall I ask the Soyuz guys to switch over sync-source? | 15:30 |
| pitti | (or do it myself) | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | MoM switch done | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | please ask for the Soyuz change, yes | 15:30 |
| pitti | will do | 15:31 |
| pitti | [ACTION] pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable | 15:31 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable | 15:31 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs | 15:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Check up on community bugs | 15:31 |
| pitti | zarro | 15:31 |
| pitti | [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting | 15:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Select a chair for the next meeting | 15:31 |
| pitti | I forgot, do we go by IRC nick or name? | 15:31 |
| pitti | IRC nick -> sabdfl, Name -> Keybuk, I think? | 15:32 |
| kees | nick | 15:32 |
| sabdfl | ack | 15:32 |
| kees | at least i thought so | 15:32 |
| pitti | right | 15:32 |
| pitti | that's it, thanks everybody! | 15:33 |
| pitti | [ENDMEETING] | 15:33 |
| kees | thanks! | 15:33 |
| pitti | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:33. | 15:33 |
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| zul | morning...er... | 18:50 |
| mathiaz | o/ | 18:59 |
| zul | oh good so im not halicunating | 19:00 |
| mathiaz | zul: well - may be there are two of us | 19:00 |
| sommer | I'm about :-) | 19:00 |
| ttx | I'm here :P | 19:00 |
| zul | heh | 19:00 |
| ttx | just parallelizing a lot | 19:01 |
| ttx | mathiaz: the chair is all yours | 19:01 |
| mathiaz | ok - I'll run this one | 19:01 |
| mathiaz | smoser: hggdh: Daviey: o^42 | 19:01 |
| smoser | hiho | 19:01 |
| Daviey | \o | 19:02 |
| mathiaz | ok - let's get started | 19:02 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is mathiaz. | 19:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:02 |
| mathiaz | I'll be the scribe this week | 19:02 |
| mathiaz | Today's magnificent agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 19:02 |
| zul | whoo | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] # Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 19:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: # Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20100428 | 19:03 |
| mathiaz | # hggdh, zul to get their release note/early SRU bugs known to ttx | 19:03 |
| zul | i was going to bring them up at the meeting today | 19:04 |
| mathiaz | zul: we'll cover the lucid SRU in the relevant topic later in the meeting | 19:04 |
| zul | k | 19:04 |
| mathiaz | and release notes are too late | 19:04 |
| mathiaz | # ALL to mark DONE or POSTPONED the remaining work items for 10.04 by Thu 29 April EOD | 19:04 |
| mathiaz | I hope the final lucid burndown charts looked good ;) | 19:05 |
| mathiaz | ttx: ^^? | 19:05 |
| mathiaz | # hggdh to outline testing bottlenecks for UEC testing UDS sessions | 19:05 |
| ttx | mathiaz: done | 19:05 |
| Daviey | i *think* i've achieved my objectives ;) | 19:05 |
| zul | boo!~ | 19:05 |
| mathiaz | hggdh: ^^ have you dumped your ideas in the relevant blueprints for UDS? | 19:05 |
| mathiaz | that's all for last week minutes | 19:06 |
| mathiaz | jjohansen: hggdh: around? | 19:06 |
| mathiaz | nope - ok - let's move on | 19:07 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review | 19:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly SRU review | 19:07 |
| zul | so | 19:07 |
| mathiaz | I've updated the wiki page to list lucid nominations | 19:07 |
| mathiaz | and remove interpid now that it's EOL | 19:07 |
| mathiaz | dapper, hardy, jaunty nominations are empty | 19:08 |
| mathiaz | for karmic: bug 494084 | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494084 in image-store-proxy "arch parameter is not passed by the image proxy during image install from store" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494084 | 19:08 |
| mathiaz | bug 572317 | 19:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 572317 in image-store-proxy "image-store does not support images without a ramdisk" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572317 | 19:08 |
| mathiaz | zul: let's go through the nominations lists first | 19:08 |
| mathiaz | zul: and then we'll discuss your list of bugs? | 19:09 |
| zul | sure | 19:09 |
| mathiaz | smoser: how important are these bugs^^ for karmic? | 19:09 |
| smoser | arch bug is not as important as "no-ramdisk" bug | 19:10 |
| smoser | but no-ramdisk is required if you want to run (correctly) lucid image store images on karmic uec | 19:10 |
| smoser | so the intent was to piggy back the arch change also in an update | 19:10 |
| jjohansen | oops, /me slips in | 19:11 |
| mathiaz | smoser: ok - I'll accept both bugs for lucid and karmic then | 19:11 |
| mathiaz | so for lucid | 19:12 |
| mathiaz | there are 5 bugs nominated | 19:12 |
| mathiaz | bug 573345 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 573345 in dovecot "dovecot-postfix references cmusieve as a mail plugin" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573345 | 19:12 |
| mathiaz | bug 195480 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 195480 in libvirt "libvirt: virsh -c qemu+ssh://host.example.com/session connects to 'system', not session" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195480 | 19:12 |
| mathiaz | FYI you can get the LP query from the KnowledgeBase wiki page | 19:13 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy | 19:13 |
| mathiaz | ^^ SRU weekly review | 19:13 |
| mathiaz | which ones should be accepted for a SRU in lcuid? | 19:13 |
| zul | 458637 shouldnt | 19:14 |
| zul | its not fixed upstream afaik | 19:14 |
| zul | 573345 needs a bit more research | 19:14 |
| zul | 562832 was upload but didnt get process for some reason so that should be objected | 19:15 |
| mathiaz | bug 573345 seems straight forward | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 573345 in dovecot "dovecot-postfix references cmusieve as a mail plugin" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573345 | 19:15 |
| mathiaz | zul: what do you mean by objected? | 19:16 |
| zul | mathias: sorry reejcted | 19:16 |
| Daviey | 573345 seems a valid sru | 19:16 |
| mathiaz | Daviey: right - I've accepted the nomination | 19:17 |
| mathiaz | zul: bug 562832 - does this mean that DRBD is currently broken in lucid? | 19:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 562832 in drbd8 "module drbd8 update kernel from 2.6.32-16 to 2.6.32-20" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562832 | 19:18 |
| zul | mathiaz: if you rebuild it manually no | 19:18 |
| mathiaz | zul: oh ok | 19:19 |
| mathiaz | zul: so not SRU worth | 19:19 |
| mathiaz | I'll decline the bug | 19:19 |
| zul | mathiaz: it would be nice to have that fixed though | 19:19 |
| mathiaz | zul: right - we're looking at SRU nominations | 19:19 |
| mathiaz | zul: declining an SRU doesn't mean it won't be fixed in the development version | 19:20 |
| mathiaz | bug 195480 | 19:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 195480 in libvirt "libvirt: virsh -c qemu+ssh://host.example.com/session connects to 'system', not session" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195480 | 19:20 |
| mathiaz | doesn't seem SRUable for now as still not fixed in maverick | 19:21 |
| mathiaz | so declining | 19:21 |
| mathiaz | and last bug on the list: bug 512110 | 19:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512110 in krb5 "gssd regression, "Program lacks support for encryption type"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512110 | 19:21 |
| mathiaz | doesn't seem SRUable for now | 19:22 |
| mathiaz | and there is a workaround in the bug | 19:22 |
| mathiaz | declining | 19:22 |
| mathiaz | allright - that's all for the lucid nominations | 19:23 |
| mathiaz | I've produced a last-week bug fix list | 19:23 |
| mathiaz | http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html | 19:23 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html | 19:23 |
| mathiaz | which is of course rather short given it was release week :) | 19:23 |
| mathiaz | anything SRU worth on this? | 19:24 |
| mathiaz | well - I guess not | 19:24 |
| mathiaz | since they've all been fixed in *lucid* | 19:24 |
| mathiaz | zul: any other bugs on your SRU plate? | 19:24 |
| zul | yep | 19:24 |
| zul | these ones are in process | 19:25 |
| zul | bug 572262 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 572262 in nut "[SRU] libusb_get_report: error sending control message: Operation not permitted" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572262 | 19:25 |
| mathiaz | zul: where do you keep track of them? | 19:25 |
| zul | bug 567043 573206 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 567043 in php5 "[SRU] [lucid] php5 segfault when calling mysqli_options()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567043 | 19:25 |
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| zul | im keeping track of them locally | 19:25 |
| zul | and have a script that pulls down all of the bugs that are nominated for a particular release | 19:26 |
| mathiaz | zul: great | 19:26 |
| zul | in the uds session i want to talk about how to keep better track of them and make it more vissible | 19:26 |
| mathiaz | zul: totally | 19:27 |
| mathiaz | zul: I'm glad to hear there will be UDS session dedicated to that subject | 19:27 |
| mathiaz | anything else to add the SRU front? | 19:27 |
| zul | nope | 19:27 |
| mathiaz | let's move on | 19:28 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] UDS Maverick | 19:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS Maverick | 19:28 |
| mathiaz | so we're planning UDS next week | 19:28 |
| mathiaz | I hope all blueprints have been registered | 19:28 |
| mathiaz | jiboumans has been working on the schedule | 19:28 |
| mathiaz | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/ | 19:29 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/ | 19:29 |
| mathiaz | ^^ this is the current *tentative* schedule | 19:29 |
| mathiaz | it *will* change | 19:29 |
| mathiaz | but you can already get a taste of what we'll discuss and when | 19:29 |
| Daviey | it *will* break ;) | 19:29 |
| mathiaz | any questions on UDS? | 19:30 |
| mathiaz | nope - let's move on then | 19:31 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Open discussion | 19:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open discussion | 19:31 |
| mathiaz | any other questions? | 19:31 |
| zul | nope | 19:32 |
| mathiaz | allrighty then | 19:32 |
| mathiaz | let's wrap up | 19:32 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 19:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | given we'll be at UDS next week | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | I suggest we cancel next week meeting | 19:33 |
| zul | skip it | 19:33 |
| Daviey | +1 | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | we' | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time? | 19:33 |
| mathiaz | we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time. | 19:34 |
| mathiaz | thanks for attending | 19:34 |
| Daviey | thanks mathiaz | 19:34 |
| mathiaz | and I'll see some of you next week in Belgium! | 19:35 |
| mathiaz | have safe travels | 19:35 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:35. | 19:35 |
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| ronnietucker | Hi, is the EMEA meeting taking place? | 20:12 |
| voRia | According to the wiki page, it's at 20:00 UTC | 20:15 |
| ronnietucker | voRia: thanks, just checking as the UWN gave it as 7 GMT. I'll hang around :) | 20:17 |
| voRia | :) | 20:17 |
| Seveas | hi forumsmatthew | 20:54 |
| forumsmatthew | hello, Seveas | 20:54 |
| Seveas | we all expire in 4 hours, except for jonathan :) | 20:55 |
| Seveas | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-emea/+members#active | 20:55 |
| forumsmatthew | Then we should hurry. :) | 20:55 |
| highvolt1ge | good evening | 20:56 |
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| Seveas | hi ghvoltage! | 20:56 |
| forumsmatthew | hi! | 20:56 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: heh, very punny | 20:56 |
| Seveas | popey, stgraber, 5 minute warning :-) | 20:56 |
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| Seveas | argh. Bad Lucid. Stop crashing | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | I last rebooted when Lucid was released and had no stability issue whatsoever :) | 21:01 |
| Seveas | x keeps hanging | 21:01 |
| Seveas | something between X, compiz and the intel driver is at war | 21:01 |
| Laibsch | good evening | 21:02 |
| Seveas | hello Laibsch | 21:02 |
| Seveas | popey, highvoltage, forumsmatthew, stgraber: It is time. | 21:02 |
| ivarela | hi to all | 21:02 |
| forumsmatthew | ready here | 21:02 |
| voRia | hi :) | 21:02 |
| Respawner | hello | 21:02 |
| forumsmatthew | greetings to all | 21:02 |
| highvoltage | greetings again! | 21:02 |
| highvoltage | do we have quorum? | 21:02 |
| Seveas | if popey and stgraber wake up | 21:02 |
| highvoltage | stgraber is kind of on holiday, I'll sms him to see if he's around | 21:03 |
| forumsmatthew | let's mention their names again, them being popey and stgraber | 21:03 |
| highvoltage | I forgot I had popey's number too. sms'ed him too. | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | highvoltage: shame you're not coming to UDS :( | 21:07 |
| highvoltage | czajkowski: hey you know it's not my fault! | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | I know! | 21:07 |
| popey | hi | 21:11 |
| popey | sorry | 21:11 |
| forumsmatthew | glad to see you! | 21:11 |
| Seveas | 4 is quorum | 21:11 |
| popey | we ready to rock? | 21:11 |
| Seveas | let's begin | 21:11 |
| Seveas | ronnietucker, you're up | 21:11 |
| ronnietucker | hi! | 21:11 |
| Seveas | hi ronnietucker, please introduce yourself to us | 21:12 |
| Seveas | ronnietucker? | 21:13 |
| ronnietucker | I'm Ronnie the founder, and editor, of Full Circle magazine which has now been running for three years (this month). | 21:13 |
| highvoltage | ronnietucker: who else works on the Full Circle team? | 21:14 |
| ronnietucker | mrmonday (Robert) and linuxgeekery (Rob K.) have been with me since the beginning in 2007, but there are other behind the scenes people such as proof-readers and contributors | 21:15 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullIssueIndex -- quite a few people it seems | 21:15 |
| ronnietucker | I also liase with the translation teams | 21:15 |
| Seveas | ronnietucker, I'm going to vote -1 now as none of these people actually left a recommendation on your wikipage. I think full circle is great but want to get some input from the rest of your team | 21:15 |
| ronnietucker | mrmonday should be here if that's any help | 21:16 |
| popey | I'm going to +1 because I've seen and read FCM for some time and consider it a worthwhile, consistent and quality contribution to Ubuntu. | 21:16 |
| highvoltage | I feel that ronnietucker has made really good contributions, Full Circle magazine is does a great job of spreading knowledge of Ubuntu | 21:16 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm going to go -0. I would like some testimonials and comments from people working with you. However, I have seen the product and agree with popey that it is high quality. | 21:17 |
| ronnietucker | I've no recommendations on my page, but 30,000 readers each month can't be wrong :) | 21:17 |
| highvoltage | it's a solid 3 years of advocacy, so the sustained part is there, it's also quite a significant contribution he's made | 21:17 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, popey, hmm | 21:17 |
| ronnietucker | feel free to browse our site for many many comments | 21:17 |
| popey | I agree that the wiki page doesnt come up to our usual requirements | 21:17 |
| highvoltage | I'm going to go +0, but I'd like ronnietucker to re-apply with an expanded wiki page with more details | 21:17 |
| forumsmatthew | I agree it is a sustained and significant contribution, but would like to have some personal comments from individual people who work directly with you. | 21:18 |
| Seveas | ronnietucker, the purpose of the wikipage is that *you* prepare it to make it easy for us to give a +1 | 21:18 |
| highvoltage | ronnietucker: if you could list any other teams you have worked with, or in, that would be great. recommendations are quite important too, if you can get them | 21:18 |
| highvoltage | ronnietucker: you're a writer and an editor so preparing a wiki page should be very little work for you ;) | 21:19 |
| Seveas | ronnietucker, I'm afraid that the total of votes is exactly 0. I think it should take very little time for you to get some recommendations and expand your wikipage a bit, so please do so and come back next month. | 21:19 |
| * mrmonday appears, whaddaya need | 21:19 | |
| Seveas | "a wild mrmonday appears" | 21:19 |
| forumsmatthew | here is an example of a very good page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Joeb454 | 21:19 |
| popey | testimonials, stat! | 21:20 |
| ronnietucker | mrmonday is one of the people who helped found Full Circle | 21:20 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: you've been spending too much time on your Apple ][ this week! | 21:20 |
| Seveas | mrmonday, please read scrollback and give ronnietucker some credit on his wikipage. | 21:20 |
| mrmonday | What kind of a testemonial do you need? I can give one, but how I word it depends on what sort of information you want from me | 21:20 |
| mrmonday | ok, sure :) | 21:20 |
| Seveas | I'd like to move on | 21:20 |
| Laibsch | sorry to jump in | 21:20 |
| highvoltage | let's do | 21:20 |
| forumsmatthew | move on | 21:20 |
| Seveas | voRia, you're up | 21:20 |
| Laibsch | May I ask to be next? | 21:20 |
| voRia | hello everyone | 21:21 |
| voRia | oh sure | 21:21 |
| popey | I agree, ronnietucker I'd be happy to help you get your wiki page in order | 21:21 |
| voRia | ;) | 21:21 |
| Seveas | voRia, please introduce yourself to us | 21:21 |
| ronnietucker | popey: thanks, will we do that now? | 21:21 |
| voRia | Seveas: consider Laibsch first | 21:21 |
| popey | ronnietucker: drop me a mail and we'll sort it | 21:21 |
| voRia | it's not a problem for me | 21:21 |
| Seveas | ok, Laibsch you're up then :) | 21:21 |
| Laibsch | voRia: thanks | 21:21 |
| Laibsch | cool | 21:22 |
| Laibsch | my name is Rolf Leggewie | 21:22 |
| voRia | Laibsch: np | 21:22 |
| Laibsch | the reason I'm asking to be next is that it's 5 in the morning and I'd like to go back to zzzZZZzzz | 21:22 |
| Laibsch | ;-) | 21:22 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, then please quickly introduce yourself :) | 21:22 |
| Laibsch | I've been a long-time contributor to Ubuntu, mostly while working on bugs | 21:23 |
| Laibsch | Recently (about a year or two) I've done some packaging work as well | 21:23 |
| Seveas | do you want to become a MOTU? | 21:23 |
| Laibsch | I'm maintaining a couple of pages in Debian because I feel that's the best way to support Ubuntu when it comes to packaging | 21:24 |
| Laibsch | I eventually may consider that | 21:24 |
| Laibsch | I always thought it's invitiation only | 21:24 |
| Seveas | it is definitely not | 21:24 |
| Laibsch | I've only recently understood that it is by application | 21:24 |
| Laibsch | I sometimes wish I could upload packages (for example those I maintain in Debian) | 21:25 |
| highvoltage | going the MOTU route may be a better way to gain membership for you | 21:25 |
| Laibsch | I can upload to Debian now that I'm DM | 21:25 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, reading your launchpad page I see good amounts of karma on bug work, but as with ronnietucker: while the contribution may be valuable, some recommendations/testimonials from other are really needed to judge the quality of your contribution | 21:25 |
| Laibsch | One doesn't preclude the other, I'd say, highvoltage | 21:25 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm going to have to agree with Seveas | 21:25 |
| Laibsch | Seveas: if that's a requirement maybe that should be made more clear | 21:26 |
| Laibsch | stgraber could have said someting about me | 21:26 |
| Laibsch | I package pastebinit | 21:26 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, that is most definitely made clear on the membership guidelines wikipage | 21:26 |
| forumsmatthew | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 21:26 |
| Laibsch | or persia, but I think he's asleep | 21:26 |
| Laibsch | I work mostly on my own | 21:26 |
| Laibsch | so I'm not sure there are that many people that regularly come in contact with what I do | 21:27 |
| Laibsch | nonetheless my contributions are sustained and of a significant amount which at least I understood to be the main deciding factor | 21:27 |
| forumsmatthew | anyone see your packages/bugs? approve them? are there people who can comment on the quality of the help you give? | 21:28 |
| forumsmatthew | we can see activity, but only people closely involved can comment effectively on the quality | 21:28 |
| Laibsch | I'm sure almost anyone doing sponsoring has at one time or another interacted with what I do | 21:28 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, then please ask them to leave a note on your wikipage | 21:28 |
| Laibsch | if I were them, I'm not sure I would remember everyone I sponsor every half year or so | 21:28 |
| hggdh | FWIW, I can vouch for Laibsch work | 21:28 |
| forumsmatthew | especially on the quality of personal interaction and whether or not it reveals the spirit of ubuntu | 21:29 |
| Laibsch | thanks, hggdh | 21:29 |
| highvoltage | Laibsch's work is certainly good | 21:29 |
| Laibsch | that's a relief ;-) | 21:29 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, good to know :) | 21:29 |
| Laibsch | See, I'm not even sure I interacted with highvoltage | 21:30 |
| Seveas | votes please | 21:30 |
| Seveas | I'm still at -1 | 21:30 |
| popey | I'd say go for MOTU as that's most appropriate | 21:30 |
| forumsmatthew | I'll give +0 with a desire to see applicants set up their wiki pages according to requested guidelines | 21:30 |
| popey | yes, sorry +0 | 21:30 |
| forumsmatthew | I also echo popey that MOTU might be a better path | 21:30 |
| Seveas | /me3 | 21:31 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, ? | 21:31 |
| highvoltage | I'm stuggling to decide between +0 and +1 | 21:31 |
| highvoltage | +1 | 21:31 |
| highvoltage | but I also agree with the others and some testimonials would make it easier to give more +1's | 21:32 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, do you think it is more appropriate for Laibsch to go the MOTU route when reapplying? | 21:32 |
| highvoltage | it would probably be more appropriate, but I have absolutely no objections if he re-applies with us with a more complete wiki page | 21:33 |
| Seveas | ok | 21:33 |
| Laibsch | to me that comment sounds like "you're overqualified", I don't really understand that. It's a bit weird to see that as ground for rejection. Becoming a member does not preclude me from becoming a MOTU later. Just my 2ยข | 21:34 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, sorry to disappoint you, but you'll have to come back another time | 21:34 |
| highvoltage | Laibsch: working with the MOTU team may make it easier to prove work that was done within the team though | 21:34 |
| Seveas | Laibsch, it's more that the MOTU can judge your contributions better than we can | 21:34 |
| highvoltage | Laibsch: that's definitely not the case | 21:34 |
| Laibsch | not sure that's the case | 21:34 |
| Seveas | anyway, let's move on | 21:35 |
| Seveas | voRia, *now* you're up | 21:35 |
| Laibsch | good night | 21:35 |
| Laibsch | thanks | 21:35 |
| highvoltage | Laibsch: thanks to you too | 21:35 |
| voRia | I'm the founder and the mantainer of the 'Linux On My Samsung' project | 21:35 |
| Seveas | voRia, what kind of work did you do within the ubuntu teams? | 21:35 |
| voRia | the project aims to help users to get a better experience with ubuntu (and other distro too as well) on samsung netbooks/notebooks | 21:36 |
| voRia | actually, not that much | 21:36 |
| voRia | the project has born as individual | 21:36 |
| voRia | not aimed to ubuntu | 21:36 |
| Seveas | voRia, ubuntu membership is a recognition of a sustained and significant contribution to Ubuntu | 21:36 |
| forumsmatthew | Sadly, I'm again not seeing enough information on the wiki page to evaluate. There are no testimonials from Ubuntu members/teams. There are no details about sustained contributions to Ubuntu. | 21:36 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm sorry, I have to -1 | 21:36 |
| Seveas | all I see is an upstream project, this does not qualify | 21:36 |
| Seveas | -1 | 21:36 |
| highvoltage | voRia: I looked at the LP page for samsung-tools, it looks like a really good project but it seems like you've mostly really been active for a month or so? | 21:36 |
| voRia | the fact is, 99% of the work I do is for ubuntu | 21:37 |
| voRia | highvoltage: the project has born more than a yer ago | 21:37 |
| voRia | i provide fixed packages for ubuntu on the repository since intrepid release | 21:37 |
| popey | I'm inclined to agree. This looks like a worthwhile project, especially for those who are owners of these specific Samsung devices, but I'd like to see more contribution directly to Ubuntu. | 21:38 |
| popey | -1 from me for now. | 21:38 |
| voRia | popey: this what I've applied for | 21:38 |
| voRia | I want to integrate my work in ubuntu in a better way | 21:38 |
| highvoltage | voRia: your work looks good but your wiki page makes it incredibly hard to judge | 21:38 |
| highvoltage | -1 from me too | 21:39 |
| Seveas | voRia, Ubuntu membership is not a requirement for that, quite the contrary | 21:39 |
| forumsmatthew | perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what membership is and does. It is designed to recognize contribution and participation, not a first step | 21:39 |
| forumsmatthew | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 21:39 |
| Seveas | if you have problems getting your software integrated with ubuntu, please talk to the MOTU | 21:39 |
| Seveas | anyway, -4 means we move on again | 21:39 |
| Seveas | ivarela, you're up now | 21:39 |
| voRia | well ok | 21:40 |
| ivarela | hi to all | 21:40 |
| Seveas | hi ivarela, please introduce yourself | 21:40 |
| highvoltage | voRia: if you need more advice on your wiki page feel free to contact any of us after the meeting | 21:40 |
| ivarela | First of all, I want apologize me about my english level | 21:40 |
| voRia | highvoltage: ok, thanks | 21:40 |
| ivarela | there is little to say about me: I'm a member of softastur, a community who works for free software in asturian language | 21:41 |
| ivarela | I heard about Ubuntu 3 years ago, and we started translating it. | 21:41 |
| forumsmatthew | wow, look at all that translation work! | 21:41 |
| ivarela | We had few resources, and we coordinate and optimize our resources working in softastur. I am proud to say that a few years ago very few people knew Ubuntu in Asturias, and now this issue has changed. | 21:41 |
| Seveas | I'm impressed | 21:41 |
| ivarela | forumsmatthew: we are a very little group, | 21:42 |
| highvoltage | ivarela: at what kind of institutions do you do your talks and what topics do you cover? | 21:42 |
| Seveas | good contributions, well documented, good recommendations and launchpad info | 21:42 |
| ivarela | so we must work too much. | 21:42 |
| Seveas | +1, you made it easy for me, thanks :) | 21:42 |
| forumsmatthew | This is an example of someone doing real and sustained work and documenting it well. He also has good testimonials. The wiki is simple, but effective | 21:42 |
| forumsmatthew | easy +1 from me | 21:42 |
| highvoltage | I guess I can ask ivarela again after the meeting :) | 21:43 |
| highvoltage | +1 from me too | 21:43 |
| popey | Yup, great work, great testimonials! +1 | 21:43 |
| Seveas | +4, excellent | 21:43 |
| Seveas | welcome to the dark side, ivarela! | 21:44 |
| ivarela | thank you very much | 21:44 |
| forumsmatthew | congratulations | 21:44 |
| Seveas | Respawner, you're up! | 21:44 |
| Respawner | well, hello everyone | 21:44 |
| Respawner | I'm Guillaume, a French guy, using Ubuntu since 2006, member of the ubuntu-fr community, writer on the ubuntu-fr planet, doing some translations work, contributor to java-gnome (coordination with Debian and Ubuntu packagers & coding of course) | 21:45 |
| Respawner | also writer for GNU/Linux Magazine | 21:45 |
| highvoltage | Respawner: just catching up on your blog... I also loved the 80's style Fringe episode ;) | 21:45 |
| Respawner | highvoltage: nice isn't it :p | 21:46 |
| Respawner | My blog is all french (sorry about that :)) | 21:46 |
| Seveas | Respawner, where do you say you spend more time: ubuntu-fr or java-gnome? | 21:46 |
| Respawner | both actually, I wrote on the planet regularly and spend time on the forum of course, in java-gnome I try to keep the package up to date in a PPA and do some code | 21:47 |
| Seveas | Respawner, why aren't there any recommendations/testimonials from other ubuntu-fr members on your wikipage? | 21:48 |
| Respawner | my articles in GNU/Linux magazine France are tutorials written for Ubuntu in general | 21:48 |
| Respawner | Seveas: I would love to have a testimonial from onkarshinde, but I was not able to catch him | 21:49 |
| Respawner | I worked with him for the java-gnome package | 21:49 |
| highvoltage | Respawner: it's great that you maintain your ppa so well, why haven't you gotten any of your work into the Ubuntu archives yet? | 21:50 |
| Seveas | I'm leaning towards +1 but need a bit more convincing | 21:50 |
| Respawner | Seveas: sadly I have no reference from ubuntu-fr (I didn't ask actually) | 21:50 |
| Seveas | Respawner, why didn't you ask? | 21:50 |
| Respawner | highvoltage: I would love that, that's why I want to adopt java-gnome package in the future | 21:51 |
| Respawner | Seveas: I forgot and don't think about it | 21:52 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, popey, forumsmatthew: can I have a vote please? | 21:53 |
| popey | I'd like to see some more testimonials really | 21:53 |
| popey | especially given how huge the french ubuntu community is, can't be that hard :) | 21:53 |
| forumsmatthew | I am struggling. Again, I would like more testimonials from people in the Ubuntu world. | 21:53 |
| highvoltage | +1, I just want to suggest to Respawner that he gets his packages into revu and into universe | 21:53 |
| forumsmatthew | I have to +0 for now | 21:53 |
| Seveas | +0 too | 21:54 |
| popey | if he's going to go for putting packages in revu/universe then surely MOTU makes more sense? | 21:54 |
| Seveas | popey, well, he's doing lots in ubuntu-fr too, so here makes sense too | 21:55 |
| highvoltage | popey: if he's specifically interested in MOTU, then yes. if he only cares about his own packages then it might not | 21:55 |
| popey | true | 21:55 |
| popey | I'm going to say +0, and come back with more testimonials I'm afraid. | 21:55 |
| Seveas | Respawner, please get some ubuntu-fr testimonials and come back next month, shouold be a breeze then | 21:55 |
| highvoltage | Respawner: either way, please get some comments from people you have worked with and re-apply! Also consider following the MOTU route for membership if you have broader packaging interests. | 21:56 |
| Respawner | Seveas: sure, thank you anyway :) | 21:56 |
| Seveas | HardDisk, you're up next (and last on the agenda) | 21:56 |
| Respawner | highvoltage: I will consider that | 21:56 |
| Seveas | idle time 13h, we can assume he's not here | 21:57 |
| Seveas | so, almost end of meeting. | 21:58 |
| forumsmatthew | Let me then say as we close that it has been a privilege and honor to serve with all of you on the board. | 21:58 |
| Seveas | It's been very nice working with you all over the past 2 years! | 21:58 |
| popey | thanks forumsmatthew ! | 21:58 |
| Seveas | or was it one year? | 21:58 |
| Seveas | anyway, I enjoyed it! | 21:58 |
| forumsmatthew | For me it was two | 21:58 |
| popey | will you be at UDS forumsmatthew ? | 21:58 |
| forumsmatthew | Yes! | 21:58 |
| Seveas | I will not :( | 21:58 |
| highvoltage | forumsmatthew: thanks for serving on the board, you've been great! | 21:58 |
| popey | excellent, we shall celebrate the good times | 21:58 |
| Seveas | Enjoy UDS! | 21:58 |
| popey | I shall have some kwak for you Seveas :) | 21:59 |
| Seveas | popey, that's a very good idea, but try not to limit yourself to kwak. Belgium has more :) | 21:59 |
| popey | :) | 21:59 |
| forumsmatthew | I look forward to working with each of you again in the future in other facets of the community. | 21:59 |
| Seveas | try at least karmeliet tripel for instance | 21:59 |
| highvoltage | ok I'm off, thanks everyone and goodnight! | 22:00 |
| czajkowski | highvoltage: nn | 22:00 |
| forumsmatthew | bye, everyone! | 22:00 |
| Seveas | so, what happens next for the emea board? | 22:00 |
| Seveas | who decides who will be on the board in the next 2 years? | 22:00 |
| popey | votes are almost all in | 22:00 |
| highvoltage | night czajkowski | 22:00 |
| popey | cc will announce shortly | 22:00 |
| Seveas | k | 22:00 |
| forumsmatthew | Seveas, I believe the CC is going to sort through the applications and announce | 22:00 |
| popey | should be tomorrow | 22:00 |
| Technoviking | Seveas: the CC is almost finished voting | 22:00 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: I guess we wait for the CC to choose the new members? | 22:00 |
| popey | Seveas: you doing the ~ubuntumembers thing? :) | 22:03 |
| Seveas | I shall | 22:04 |
| popey | thanks! | 22:04 |
| Technoviking | Anyone here for the CC meeting, there is nothing on the agenda | 22:04 |
| popey | o/ | 22:04 |
| cjohnston | im here to watch it | 22:04 |
| Technoviking | Anyone got any questions or concerns for the Community Council, many of the member will be at UDS and there will be many community and goverance session during that week | 22:06 |
| * mdke arrives late | 22:06 | |
| cjohnston | finishing the vote ;-) | 22:06 |
| Technoviking | hello mdke :) | 22:07 |
| mdke | Technoviking: heya :) | 22:08 |
| mdke | agenda's looking nice and tidy | 22:08 |
| Technoviking | Ok, I guess we will call it, be sure to particpate at UDS remotely if you can not attend next week. | 22:10 |
| popey | that was quick | 22:10 |
| mdke | ah hey popey | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:10 |
| popey | hullo mdke pleia2 | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | hey popey | 22:11 |
| mdke | wow, great turnout | 22:11 |
| * highvoltage pops back in for a final scare before going to bed | 22:12 | |
| Technoviking | ;) | 22:12 |
| Technoviking | mdke: we had a quorum:) | 22:13 |
| mdke | perhaps we should take some decisions in the absence of any agenda | 22:14 |
| Technoviking | mdke: like what? | 22:16 |
| mdke | quick show of hands for renaming Ubuntu One? | 22:17 |
| * mdke slinks off | 22:17 | |
| highvoltage | rofl | 22:17 |
| highvoltage | mdke: where did everyone go to suddenly!? | 22:17 |
| mdke | everyone has their hands up, can't touch the keyboard | 22:18 |
| popey | hah | 22:19 |
| popey | you subversive little thing | 22:19 |
| mdke | that's me | 22:19 |
| HardDisk | Seveas | 23:25 |
| HardDisk | sorry I was away :( I had to be with my cousin, had a small emergency | 23:25 |
| HardDisk | I missed my membership I apologize, but family comes first. | 23:26 |
| HardDisk | I suppose I will have to reschedule again if it's too late. | 23:26 |
| HardDisk | considering its 1:26am Cairo time | 23:27 |
| HardDisk | Hope to get my chance next time. | 23:34 |
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