[00:19] <Claudinux> 'night
[14:00] <davidm> Morning NCommander
[14:01] <davidm> ogra, please grab the Freescale call, suggest shutting it down as there is nothing to do at this time
[14:03]  * GrueMaster yawns
[14:04] <ogra> #startmeeting
[14:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:04. The chair is ogra.
[14:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:04] <ogra> heya
[14:04] <dmart> hi
[14:04] <ian_brasil> hi
[14:04] <ogra> seems the agenda isnt properly filled and i have no idea what the action items from last week were
[14:05]  * ogra sighs
[14:05] <dmart> I wasn't here last weeek
[14:05] <davidm> Were there any?  It was release week
[14:05] <ogra> there was "fill out the arm release notes" for asac and me
[14:05] <ogra> (i'm still waiting for NCommander to add the dove install instructions, the rest is done)
[14:06] <ogra> i dont remember what else
[14:06] <ogra> i know there were a bunch
[14:06] <NCommander> sorry for being tardy
[14:07] <ogra> ok, there was: NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image
[14:07] <ogra> looked fine, i tested it right away
[14:07] <plars> as did I
[14:07] <NCommander> no unexpected scrollbarsin sight
[14:07] <plars> stuff like google maps, yahoo, etc looked normal again
[14:08] <ogra> and there was "asac and ogra to flesh out release notes"
[14:08] <ogra> which was done modulo the dove install instructions <- NCommander please add
[14:08] <NCommander> ogra: add an action item for me on that (I'm currently updating the karmic ones)
[14:08] <ogra> and there was a carry over for dyfet to add a check for v6->v7 upgrades to update-manager
[14:09] <ogra> NCommander, just copy paste and remove mentioning of karmic ... if you really do it after the meeting we dont need an extra action imho
[14:09] <NCommander> ogra: I need to update the bootloader section
[14:09] <ogra> dyfet, has an SRU patch been created for mvo to inspect for u-m ?
[14:10] <ogra> [action] NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
[14:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
[14:11] <ogra> hmm, no dyfet
[14:11] <ogra> so i suspect thats a c/o
[14:12] <ogra> [action] dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU
[14:12] <ogra> ok
[14:12] <ogra> moving on
[14:12] <ogra> [topic] Standing Items
[14:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[14:12] <ogra> i guess we dont need to look at the workitem tracker atm
[14:13] <persia> There's a new one, but it's mostly empty :)
[14:13] <NCommander> Mostly just need to get specs for UDS up and improved
[14:13] <ogra> neither on any of the other items in that section or do we ?
[14:13] <ogra> so did everyone who has poposed spec for UDS talk to lool  ?
[14:13] <ogra> to get them approved and scheduled ?
[14:14] <ogra> (iirc lool is supposed to approve/decline unless that changed, though nobody told us yet)
[14:14] <asac> feel free to talk to me ;)
[14:14] <asac> NCommander: please submit your spec against ubuntu-arm project
[14:15] <ogra> [action] everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination
[14:15] <asac> or keep it where it is ... hjowever, i think its best to file it against ubuntu-arm as in that way we will track it
[14:15] <NCommander> asac: huh?
[14:15] <ogra> [action] everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project
[14:16] <ogra> anything else we need to discuss on the standing items ?
[14:16] <persia> I think all the specs for Ubuntu ought be done against ubuntu.  It's a huge pain to move stuff against projects to be against distros (we encountered this previously when fussing with ubuntu-mobile project, and that is part of why we gave up the ubuntu-mobile LP project)
[14:16] <persia> No maverick images available yet :)
[14:17] <ogra> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs disagrees :)
[14:17]  * NCommander has everything submitted against ubuntu with davidm as the approver. If we're going to chang ehow we're filing blueprints, that should have been annoyanvced ages ago
[14:17] <asac> NCommander: it was announced
[14:17] <ogra> NCommander, it was announced about four to six weeks ago
[14:17] <asac> multiple times
[14:17] <ogra> right
[14:17]  * NCommander sighs
[14:17] <ogra> not the ubuntu-arm project but that lool should be approver for all specs at least
[14:17] <persia> ogra: How does that disagree?  Looks like someone else is trying to experiment with a separate project again and will have the same pain later.
[14:18] <asac> mobile team has no own track ... so if its arm related it should be ubuntu-on-arm
[14:18] <davidm> all blueprints are approved by lool
[14:18] <ogra> davidm, it was delegated to asac
[14:18] <davidm> NCommander, I am not involved this cycle
[14:19] <ogra> [link] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs
[14:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs
[14:19] <ogra> so lets move on unless someone else has anything for the spec topic
[14:19] <asac> thanks ogra
[14:19]  * ogra skips up to image status
[14:19] <ogra> [topic] ARM Image Status
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status
[14:20] <ogra> i saw that NCommander asked that imx51 and dove images get disabled
[14:20] <ogra> which apparently happened
[14:20] <ogra> (thanks cjwatson )
[14:21] <ogra> since both wont have supported kernels in ubuntu for maverick
[14:21] <ogra> (yet)
[14:21] <NCommander> ogra: can you action item me to post a bzr branch to also drop imx51/dove there (the netboot images are still being generated)
[14:21] <ogra> omap and versatile images will persist for now
[14:21] <NCommander> er
[14:21] <NCommander> drop imx51/dove in d-i
[14:21] <ogra> yes
[14:21] <persia> NCommander: Don't drop it: just leave it unused.
[14:22] <NCommander> persia: ?
[14:22] <ogra> [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i
[14:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i
[14:22] <ogra> hrm
[14:22] <ogra> [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i
[14:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i
[14:22] <ogra> thats better :)
[14:23] <ogra> we want to keep omap and versatile :)
[14:23] <ogra> anything else on images ?
[14:23] <NCommander> 10.04 was aweseom?
[14:23] <NCommander> *awesome
[14:23] <ogra> agreed :)
[14:24] <NCommander> I think we're good on images
[14:24] <ogra> ok, moving ong
[14:24] <ogra> *on :)
[14:25] <ogra> [topic] AOB
[14:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[14:25] <ogra> any having anything ?
[14:26] <NCommander> thank you ogra for taking over
[14:26] <NCommander> and also
[14:26] <NCommander> Pepole, please post your ARs! (I'm not perfect on this either, but we really should have them all the wiki)
[14:28] <ogra> well
[14:28] <ogra> its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted
[14:28] <ogra> i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ...
[14:28] <ogra> so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess
[14:28] <ogra> thats all i had to say for AOB ...
[14:28] <ogra> anyone else ?
[14:28] <ogra> doesnt look like ...
[14:28] <ogra> how about we adjourn then ? :)
[14:28] <ogra> going once ...
[14:28] <ogra> going twice ...
[14:28] <ogra> #endmeeting
[14:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:28.
[14:28] <ogra> boo
[14:30] <ogra> grr, sorry ... worst time for a disconnect
[14:30] <ogra> did i miss anything ? (can somebody paste in a PM if i did)
[14:30] <ogra> so what i said in AOB without noticing i was off ...
[14:31] <ogra> its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted
[14:31] <NCommander> ogra: no, everything posted through
[14:31] <ogra> i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ...
[14:31] <ogra> so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess
[14:31] <NCommander> you even closed out the meeting
[14:31] <ogra> oh :)
[14:31] <ogra> i did ?
[14:31] <ogra> #endmeeting
[14:31] <ogra> right ... i didnt get any feedback :P
[14:31] <persia> You did.
[14:32] <ogra> great, enjoy your day then :)
[15:00] <pitti> hello everyone
[15:00] <pitti> TB meeting time
[15:00] <pitti> cjwatson, sabdfl, kees, mdz, Keybuk: ping
[15:00] <cjwatson> hi
[15:00] <sabdfl> hello
[15:00] <pitti> hey Colin, how are you?
[15:01] <pitti> our famous leader
[15:01]  * pitti sees Scott getting into his boots very fast
[15:02] <pitti> mdz said he'd be here a little late
[15:02] <cjwatson> semi-recovered
[15:03] <cjwatson> but only semi.  Looking forward to dozing on the train tomorrow ;-)
[15:03] <pitti> heh, have a good rest!
[15:04] <sabdfl> sunsets should be great from the train, what with all the *ash* in the air ;-)
[15:04] <pitti> cjwatson: would you mind SMSing Scott? I'll SMS Kees
[15:05] <cjwatson> sure
[15:07] <pitti> ok, let's start for now
[15:07] <pitti> #startmeeting
[15:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:07. The chair is pitti.
[15:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:07] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:07] <kees> hello, sorry i'm late
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:07] <pitti> hey kees
[15:08] <pitti> [TOPIC] Review of previous actions
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous actions
[15:08] <pitti> ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:08] <pitti> ScottK, Riddell: ^ any update, or push forward?
[15:08] <pitti> cjwatson to write up 2010-03-09 meeting minutes
[15:08] <pitti> cjwatson: I guess we'll push that? :-)
[15:08] <Riddell> pitti: started reviewing yesterday, will get it sorted this week
[15:09] <pitti> cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:09] <pitti> cjwatson: I think that happened, right?
[15:09] <cjwatson> not done yet, got eaten by release and I decided that it wasn't RC
[15:09] <pitti> Riddell: ooh, thanks!
[15:09] <pitti> [ACTION] ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:09] <cjwatson> as in, nothing in the archive actually performed the problematic link
[15:10] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, so it's actually a non-issue completely?
[15:10] <pitti> (I thought last time we resolved to that it's not something we need to deal with?)
[15:11] <cjwatson> I still want to look at it
[15:11] <cjwatson> Keybuk texted back to say he's on leave today
[15:11] <pitti> ok
[15:12] <pitti> [ACTION] cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:12] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks
[15:12] <pitti> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[15:12] <pitti> not sure who added that
[15:12] <pitti> but I had a look today, and found two things, I put them on the agenda now
[15:12] <pitti> [TOPIC] Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team
[15:13] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html
[15:13] <pitti> does anyone have an opinion about this? to me this again sounds like DMB matter
[15:14] <Riddell> I'm not sure how the package list would be defined
[15:14] <Riddell> cjwatson likely knows the sort of magic for that
[15:14] <persia> I'd like to see it implemented as a seed (even if not a seed that ends up on a CD), just for ease of tracking.
[15:14] <kees> feels like dmb. if dmb has questions with it then it would hit TB?
[15:15] <pitti> I thought in terms of dependencies, as a basis for that list?
[15:15] <persia> kees: That matches the decision from last week, but it was TB prior to that (including at the time of the mail)
[15:15] <pitti> ICBW, but I think it needs to be a seed for the LP magic to work
[15:15] <Riddell> so I should talk to DMB and get approval there then find out who can implement it?
[15:16] <persia> Riddell: DMB can implement: the key bit is getting the list.  I'm happy to help you put that together over the next week.
[15:16] <pitti> right, I don't think we can define them (technically) as a negative of seeds
[15:16] <cjwatson> we can define them however we like.  a seed is easiest
[15:17] <cjwatson> but it's quite programmatic right now ...
[15:17] <cjwatson> tracing reverse build-dep graphs is a rather painful way to do it though
[15:17] <cjwatson> happy to sit down with somebody at UDS and try to thrash it out; that might be the easiest way
[15:18] <Riddell> ok, we can do that
[15:18] <pitti> thanks
[15:19] <pitti> [TOPIC] Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution
[15:19] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html
[15:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html
[15:19] <pitti> This came up on the ML again, and it's again a legal matter
[15:19] <mdz> pitti: here now
[15:19] <pitti> I don't feel that I can definitively answer this on my part, but my feeling is that it would be weird for these license to automatically apply for any other derivative
[15:20] <pitti> hello mdz, how are you?
[15:20] <cjwatson> I don't have the information necessary to respond to that; unless mdz or sabdfl happen to know, I assume we would have to refer this to Amanda?
[15:20] <mdz> pitti: I added the "scan the mailing list" topic to remind us to see if anything is outstanding from the list
[15:20] <pitti> does anyone know more?
[15:20] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, I can do that
[15:20] <mdz> I saw that on the mailing list, and I think it should be addressed to Canonical rather than to the TB
[15:20] <sabdfl> i believe the licenses he's referring are purely in support of OEMs in specific cases
[15:21] <pitti> sabdfl: that's what I expected, but I'm happy to confirm with Amanda
[15:21] <mdz> I don't think there's an issue here, but Canonical does need to respond
[15:22] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup
[15:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup
[15:22] <pitti> [TOPIC] Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable?
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable?
[15:22] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html
[15:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html
[15:22] <pitti> ^ start of thread
[15:23] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html
[15:23] <pitti> ^ summary
[15:23] <pitti> summary-summary: syncing from testing was perceived as a good decision for lucid by the majority of replies
[15:23] <cjwatson> thanks for the summary, that's helpful
[15:23] <kees> that was a pretty interesting thread.
[15:23] <cjwatson> I like the compromise proposal of syncing from unstable as normal, and then from testing for a little longer
[15:23] <pitti> but the general feeling is that we shouldn't do it all the time to not fall behind too much
[15:24] <pitti> my personal preference is to switch back to unstable for maverick
[15:24] <pitti> rationale: (1) Debian is approaching freeze, and (2) we just left the more conservative LTS cycle and need to catch up
[15:24] <cjwatson> I agree
[15:24] <pitti> what do you think?
[15:24] <kees> +1
[15:25] <pitti> ah, let's do that for formality
[15:25] <kees> we could maybe consider switching to testing near/at DIF
[15:25] <pitti> [VOTE] switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing
[15:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing.
[15:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:25] <kees> (in addition)
[15:25] <kees> +1
[15:25] <MootBot> +1 received from kees. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:25] <pitti> +1
[15:25] <MootBot> +1 received from pitti. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:26] <cjwatson> +1
[15:26] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[15:26] <mdz> pitti: is there a decision we need to make today?
[15:26] <cjwatson> we need to start autosyncing soon, yes
[15:26] <mdz> +1
[15:26] <MootBot> +1 received from mdz. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[15:26] <pitti> mdz: we're about to open teh floodgates for maverick
[15:26] <pitti> once gcc-4.5 finishes building, I think we're good to go
[15:26] <cjwatson> and I'd like to switch MoM over appropriately
[15:26] <pitti> doko said that there's currently no new binutils which we urgently need (or none at all)
[15:27] <pitti> we need to look at perl maybe
[15:27] <pitti> sabdfl: do you have an opinion about it, or abstain?
[15:28] <kees> heh
[15:28] <sabdfl> gack
[15:28]  * pitti jumps back a step
[15:28] <sabdfl> i concur that we should sync from unstable
[15:29] <sabdfl> and that LTS's deserve different treatment in that regard
[15:29] <sabdfl> sorry for closing the wrong window. it's those damn tab close icons in the wrong place.
[15:29] <sabdfl> ;-)
[15:29] <cjwatson> I can probably sort out perl before I finish up for the day ...
[15:29] <pitti> yeah, and close buttons on the wrong side, etc.
[15:29]  * pitti infers a +1 and..
[15:29] <pitti> [ENDVOTE]
[15:29] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[15:29] <sabdfl> +1
[15:30] <pitti> cjwatson: are you okay with doing the switch in MoM? shall I ask the Soyuz guys to switch over sync-source?
[15:30] <pitti> (or do it myself)
[15:30] <cjwatson> MoM switch done
[15:30] <cjwatson> please ask for the Soyuz change, yes
[15:31] <pitti> will do
[15:31] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable
[15:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable
[15:31] <pitti> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Check up on community bugs
[15:31] <pitti> zarro
[15:31] <pitti> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:31] <pitti> I forgot, do we go by IRC nick or name?
[15:32] <pitti> IRC nick -> sabdfl, Name -> Keybuk, I think?
[15:32] <kees> nick
[15:32] <sabdfl> ack
[15:32] <kees> at least i thought so
[15:32] <pitti> right
[15:33] <pitti> that's it, thanks everybody!
[15:33] <pitti> [ENDMEETING]
[15:33] <kees> thanks!
[15:33] <pitti> #endmeeting
[15:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:33.
[18:50] <zul> morning...er...
[18:59] <mathiaz> o/
[19:00] <zul> oh good so im not halicunating
[19:00] <mathiaz> zul: well - may be there are two of us
[19:00] <sommer> I'm about :-)
[19:00] <ttx> I'm here :P
[19:00] <zul> heh
[19:01] <ttx> just parallelizing a lot
[19:01] <ttx> mathiaz: the chair is all yours
[19:01] <mathiaz> ok - I'll run this one
[19:01] <mathiaz> smoser: hggdh: Daviey: o^42
[19:01] <smoser> hiho
[19:02] <Daviey> \o
[19:02] <mathiaz> ok - let's get started
[19:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[19:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02] <mathiaz> I'll be the scribe this week
[19:02] <mathiaz> Today's magnificent agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:03] <zul> whoo
[19:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:03] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20100428
[19:03] <mathiaz> # hggdh, zul to get their release note/early SRU bugs known to ttx
[19:04] <zul> i was going to bring them up at the meeting today
[19:04] <mathiaz> zul: we'll cover the lucid SRU in the relevant topic later in the meeting
[19:04] <zul> k
[19:04] <mathiaz> and release notes are too late
[19:04] <mathiaz> # ALL to mark DONE or POSTPONED the remaining work items for 10.04 by Thu 29 April EOD
[19:05] <mathiaz> I hope the final lucid burndown charts looked good ;)
[19:05] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^?
[19:05] <mathiaz> # hggdh to outline testing bottlenecks for UEC testing UDS sessions
[19:05] <ttx> mathiaz: done
[19:05] <Daviey> i *think* i've achieved my objectives ;)
[19:05] <zul> boo!~
[19:05] <mathiaz> hggdh: ^^ have you dumped your ideas in the relevant blueprints for UDS?
[19:06] <mathiaz> that's all for last week minutes
[19:06] <mathiaz> jjohansen: hggdh: around?
[19:07] <mathiaz> nope - ok - let's move on
[19:07] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review
[19:07] <zul> so
[19:07] <mathiaz> I've updated the wiki page to list lucid nominations
[19:07] <mathiaz> and remove interpid now  that it's EOL
[19:08] <mathiaz> dapper, hardy, jaunty nominations are empty
[19:08] <mathiaz> for karmic: bug 494084
[19:08] <mathiaz> bug 572317
[19:08] <mathiaz> zul: let's go through the nominations lists first
[19:09] <mathiaz> zul: and then we'll discuss your list of bugs?
[19:09] <zul> sure
[19:09] <mathiaz> smoser: how important are these bugs^^ for karmic?
[19:10] <smoser> arch bug is not as important as "no-ramdisk" bug
[19:10] <smoser> but no-ramdisk is required if you want to run (correctly) lucid image store images on karmic uec
[19:10] <smoser> so the intent was to piggy back the arch change also in an update
[19:11] <jjohansen> oops, /me slips in
[19:11] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - I'll accept both bugs for lucid and karmic then
[19:12] <mathiaz> so for lucid
[19:12] <mathiaz> there are 5 bugs nominated
[19:12] <mathiaz> bug 573345
[19:12] <mathiaz> bug 195480
[19:13] <mathiaz> FYI you can get the LP query from the KnowledgeBase wiki page
[19:13] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy
[19:13] <mathiaz> ^^ SRU weekly review
[19:13] <mathiaz> which ones should be accepted for a SRU in lcuid?
[19:14] <zul> 458637 shouldnt
[19:14] <zul> its not fixed upstream afaik
[19:14] <zul> 573345 needs a bit more research
[19:15] <zul> 562832 was upload but didnt get process for some reason so that should be objected
[19:15] <mathiaz> bug 573345 seems straight forward
[19:16] <mathiaz> zul: what do you mean by objected?
[19:16] <zul> mathias: sorry reejcted
[19:16] <Daviey> 573345 seems a valid sru
[19:17] <mathiaz> Daviey: right - I've accepted the nomination
[19:18] <mathiaz> zul: bug 562832 - does this mean that DRBD is currently broken in lucid?
[19:18] <zul> mathiaz: if you rebuild it manually no
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: oh ok
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: so not SRU worth
[19:19] <mathiaz> I'll decline the bug
[19:19] <zul> mathiaz: it would be nice to have that fixed though
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: right - we're looking at SRU nominations
[19:20] <mathiaz> zul: declining an SRU doesn't mean it won't be fixed in the development version
[19:20] <mathiaz> bug 195480
[19:21] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRUable for now as still not fixed in maverick
[19:21] <mathiaz> so declining
[19:21] <mathiaz> and last bug on the list: bug 512110
[19:22] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRUable for now
[19:22] <mathiaz> and there is a workaround in the bug
[19:22] <mathiaz> declining
[19:23] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for the lucid nominations
[19:23] <mathiaz> I've produced a last-week bug fix list
[19:23] <mathiaz> http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html
[19:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html
[19:23] <mathiaz> which is of course rather short given it was release week :)
[19:24] <mathiaz> anything SRU worth on this?
[19:24] <mathiaz> well - I guess not
[19:24] <mathiaz> since they've all been fixed in *lucid*
[19:24] <mathiaz> zul: any other bugs on your SRU plate?
[19:24] <zul> yep
[19:25] <zul> these ones are in process
[19:25] <zul> bug 572262
[19:25] <mathiaz> zul: where do you keep track of them?
[19:25] <zul> bug 567043 573206
[19:25] <zul> im keeping track of them locally
[19:26] <zul> and have a script that pulls down all of the bugs that are nominated for a particular release
[19:26] <mathiaz> zul: great
[19:26] <zul> in the uds session i want to talk about how to keep better track of them and make it more vissible
[19:27] <mathiaz> zul: totally
[19:27] <mathiaz> zul: I'm glad to hear there will be UDS session dedicated to that subject
[19:27] <mathiaz> anything else to add the SRU front?
[19:27] <zul> nope
[19:28] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:28] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS Maverick
[19:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS Maverick
[19:28] <mathiaz> so we're planning UDS next week
[19:28] <mathiaz> I hope all blueprints have been registered
[19:28] <mathiaz> jiboumans has been working on the schedule
[19:29] <mathiaz> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/
[19:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/
[19:29] <mathiaz> ^^ this is the current *tentative* schedule
[19:29] <mathiaz> it *will* change
[19:29] <mathiaz> but you can already get a taste of what we'll discuss and when
[19:29] <Daviey> it *will* break ;)
[19:30] <mathiaz> any questions on UDS?
[19:31] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on then
[19:31] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[19:31] <mathiaz> any other questions?
[19:32] <zul> nope
[19:32] <mathiaz> allrighty then
[19:32] <mathiaz> let's wrap up
[19:33] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:33] <mathiaz> given we'll be at UDS next week
[19:33] <mathiaz> I suggest we cancel next week meeting
[19:33] <zul> skip it
[19:33] <Daviey> +1
[19:33] <mathiaz> we'
[19:33] <mathiaz> we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time?
[19:34] <mathiaz> we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time.
[19:34] <mathiaz> thanks for attending
[19:34] <Daviey> thanks mathiaz
[19:35] <mathiaz> and I'll see some of you next week in Belgium!
[19:35] <mathiaz> have safe travels
[19:35] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[19:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:35.
[20:12] <ronnietucker> Hi, is the EMEA meeting taking place?
[20:15] <voRia> According to the wiki page, it's at 20:00 UTC
[20:17] <ronnietucker> voRia: thanks, just checking as the UWN gave it as 7 GMT. I'll hang around  :)
[20:17] <voRia> :)
[20:54] <Seveas> hi forumsmatthew
[20:54] <forumsmatthew> hello, Seveas
[20:55] <Seveas> we all expire in 4 hours, except for jonathan :)
[20:55] <Seveas> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-emea/+members#active
[20:55] <forumsmatthew> Then we should hurry. :)
[20:56] <highvolt1ge> good evening
[20:56] <Seveas> hi ghvoltage!
[20:56] <forumsmatthew> hi!
[20:56] <highvoltage> Seveas: heh, very punny
[20:56] <Seveas> popey, stgraber, 5 minute warning :-)
[21:00] <Seveas> argh. Bad Lucid. Stop crashing
[21:01] <highvoltage> I last rebooted when Lucid was released and had no stability issue whatsoever :)
[21:01] <Seveas> x keeps hanging
[21:01] <Seveas> something between X, compiz and the intel driver is at war
[21:02] <Laibsch> good evening
[21:02] <Seveas> hello Laibsch
[21:02] <Seveas> popey, highvoltage, forumsmatthew, stgraber: It is time.
[21:02] <ivarela> hi to all
[21:02] <forumsmatthew> ready here
[21:02] <voRia> hi :)
[21:02] <Respawner> hello
[21:02] <forumsmatthew> greetings to all
[21:02] <highvoltage> greetings again!
[21:02] <highvoltage> do we have quorum?
[21:02] <Seveas> if popey and stgraber wake up
[21:03] <highvoltage> stgraber is kind of on holiday, I'll sms him to see if he's around
[21:03] <forumsmatthew> let's mention their names again, them being popey and stgraber
[21:06] <highvoltage> I forgot I had popey's number too. sms'ed him too.
[21:07] <czajkowski> highvoltage: shame you're not coming to UDS :(
[21:07] <highvoltage> czajkowski: hey you know it's not my fault!
[21:07] <czajkowski> I know!
[21:11] <popey> hi
[21:11] <popey> sorry
[21:11] <forumsmatthew> glad to see you!
[21:11] <Seveas> 4 is quorum
[21:11] <popey> we ready to rock?
[21:11] <Seveas> let's begin
[21:11] <Seveas> ronnietucker, you're up
[21:11] <ronnietucker> hi!
[21:12] <Seveas> hi ronnietucker, please introduce yourself to us
[21:13] <Seveas> ronnietucker?
[21:13] <ronnietucker> I'm Ronnie the founder, and editor, of Full Circle magazine which has now been running for three years (this month).
[21:14] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: who else works on the Full Circle team?
[21:15] <ronnietucker> mrmonday (Robert) and linuxgeekery (Rob K.) have been with me since the beginning in 2007, but there are other behind the scenes people such as proof-readers and contributors
[21:15] <Seveas> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullIssueIndex -- quite a few people it seems
[21:15] <ronnietucker> I also liase with the translation teams
[21:15] <Seveas> ronnietucker, I'm going to vote -1 now as none of these people actually left a recommendation on your wikipage. I think full circle is great but want to get some input from the rest of your team
[21:16] <ronnietucker> mrmonday should be here if that's any help
[21:16] <popey> I'm going to +1 because I've seen and read FCM for some time and consider it a worthwhile, consistent and quality contribution to Ubuntu.
[21:16] <highvoltage> I feel that ronnietucker has made really good contributions, Full Circle magazine is does a great job of spreading knowledge of Ubuntu
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to go -0. I would like some testimonials and comments from people working with you. However, I have seen the product and agree with popey that it is high quality.
[21:17] <ronnietucker> I've no recommendations on my page, but 30,000 readers each month can't be wrong  :)
[21:17] <highvoltage> it's a solid 3 years of advocacy, so the sustained part is there, it's also quite a significant contribution he's made
[21:17] <Seveas> highvoltage, popey, hmm
[21:17] <ronnietucker> feel free to browse our site for many many comments
[21:17] <popey> I agree that the wiki page doesnt come up to our usual requirements
[21:17] <highvoltage> I'm going to go +0, but I'd like ronnietucker to re-apply with an expanded wiki page with more details
[21:18] <forumsmatthew> I agree it is a sustained and significant contribution, but would like to have some personal comments from individual people who work directly with you.
[21:18] <Seveas> ronnietucker, the purpose of the wikipage is that *you* prepare it to make it easy for us to give a +1
[21:18] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: if you could list any other teams you have worked with, or in, that would be great. recommendations are quite important too, if you can get them
[21:19] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: you're a writer and an editor so preparing a wiki page should be very little work for you ;)
[21:19] <Seveas> ronnietucker, I'm afraid that the total of votes is exactly 0. I think it should take very little time for you to get some recommendations and expand your wikipage a bit, so please do so and come back next month.
[21:19]  * mrmonday appears, whaddaya need
[21:19] <Seveas> "a wild mrmonday appears"
[21:19] <forumsmatthew> here is an example of a very good page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Joeb454
[21:20] <popey> testimonials, stat!
[21:20] <ronnietucker> mrmonday is one of the people who helped found Full Circle
[21:20] <highvoltage> Seveas: you've been spending too much time on your Apple ][ this week!
[21:20] <Seveas> mrmonday, please read scrollback and give ronnietucker some credit on his wikipage.
[21:20] <mrmonday> What kind of a testemonial do you need? I can give one, but how I word it depends on what sort of information you want from me
[21:20] <mrmonday> ok, sure :)
[21:20] <Seveas> I'd like to move on
[21:20] <Laibsch> sorry to jump in
[21:20] <highvoltage> let's do
[21:20] <forumsmatthew> move on
[21:20] <Seveas> voRia, you're up
[21:20] <Laibsch> May I ask to be next?
[21:21] <voRia> hello everyone
[21:21] <voRia> oh sure
[21:21] <popey> I agree, ronnietucker I'd be happy to help you get your wiki page in order
[21:21] <voRia> ;)
[21:21] <Seveas> voRia, please introduce yourself to us
[21:21] <ronnietucker> popey: thanks, will we do that now?
[21:21] <voRia> Seveas: consider Laibsch first
[21:21] <popey> ronnietucker: drop me a mail and we'll sort it
[21:21] <voRia> it's not a problem for me
[21:21] <Seveas> ok, Laibsch you're up then :)
[21:21] <Laibsch> voRia: thanks
[21:22] <Laibsch> cool
[21:22] <Laibsch> my name is Rolf Leggewie
[21:22] <voRia> Laibsch: np
[21:22] <Laibsch> the reason I'm asking to be next is that it's 5 in the morning and I'd like to go back to zzzZZZzzz
[21:22] <Laibsch> ;-)
[21:22] <Seveas> Laibsch, then please quickly introduce yourself :)
[21:23] <Laibsch> I've been a long-time contributor to Ubuntu, mostly while working on bugs
[21:23] <Laibsch> Recently (about a year or two) I've done some packaging work as well
[21:23] <Seveas> do you want to become a MOTU?
[21:24] <Laibsch> I'm maintaining a couple of pages in Debian because I feel that's the best way to support Ubuntu when it comes to packaging
[21:24] <Laibsch> I eventually may consider that
[21:24] <Laibsch> I always thought it's invitiation only
[21:24] <Seveas> it is definitely not
[21:24] <Laibsch> I've only recently understood that it is by application
[21:25] <Laibsch> I sometimes wish I could upload packages (for example those I maintain in Debian)
[21:25] <highvoltage> going the MOTU route may be a better way to gain membership for you
[21:25] <Laibsch> I can upload to Debian now that I'm DM
[21:25] <Seveas> Laibsch, reading your launchpad page I see good amounts of karma on bug work, but as with ronnietucker: while the contribution may be valuable, some recommendations/testimonials from other are really needed to judge the quality of your contribution
[21:25] <Laibsch> One doesn't preclude the other, I'd say, highvoltage
[21:25] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to agree with Seveas
[21:26] <Laibsch> Seveas: if that's a requirement maybe that should be made more clear
[21:26] <Laibsch> stgraber could have said someting about me
[21:26] <Laibsch> I package pastebinit
[21:26] <Seveas> Laibsch, that is most definitely made clear on the membership guidelines wikipage
[21:26] <forumsmatthew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[21:26] <Laibsch> or persia, but I think he's asleep
[21:26] <Laibsch> I work mostly on my own
[21:27] <Laibsch> so I'm not sure there are that many people that regularly come in contact with what I do
[21:27] <Laibsch> nonetheless my contributions are sustained and of a significant amount which at least I understood to be the main deciding factor
[21:28] <forumsmatthew> anyone see your packages/bugs? approve them? are there people who can comment on the quality of the help you give?
[21:28] <forumsmatthew> we can see activity, but only people closely involved can comment effectively on the quality
[21:28] <Laibsch> I'm sure almost anyone doing sponsoring has at one time or another interacted with what I do
[21:28] <Seveas> Laibsch, then please ask them to leave a note on your wikipage
[21:28] <Laibsch> if I were them, I'm not sure I would remember everyone I sponsor every half year or so
[21:28] <hggdh> FWIW, I can vouch for Laibsch work
[21:29] <forumsmatthew> especially on the quality of personal interaction and whether or not it reveals the spirit of ubuntu
[21:29] <Laibsch> thanks, hggdh
[21:29] <highvoltage> Laibsch's work is certainly good
[21:29] <Laibsch> that's a relief ;-)
[21:29] <Seveas> highvoltage, good to know :)
[21:30] <Laibsch> See, I'm not even sure I interacted with highvoltage
[21:30] <Seveas> votes please
[21:30] <Seveas> I'm still at -1
[21:30] <popey> I'd say go for MOTU as that's most appropriate
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> I'll give +0 with a desire to see applicants set up their wiki pages according to requested guidelines
[21:30] <popey> yes, sorry +0
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> I also echo popey that MOTU might be a better path
[21:31] <Seveas> /me3
[21:31] <Seveas> highvoltage, ?
[21:31] <highvoltage> I'm stuggling to decide between +0 and +1
[21:31] <highvoltage> +1
[21:32] <highvoltage> but I also agree with the others and some testimonials would make it easier to give more +1's
[21:32] <Seveas> highvoltage, do you think it is more appropriate for Laibsch to go the MOTU route when reapplying?
[21:33] <highvoltage> it would probably be more appropriate, but I have absolutely no objections if he re-applies with us with a more complete wiki page
[21:33] <Seveas> ok
[21:34] <Laibsch> to me that comment sounds like "you're overqualified", I don't really understand that.  It's a bit weird to see that as ground for rejection.  Becoming a member does not preclude me from becoming a MOTU later.  Just my 2¢
[21:34] <Seveas> Laibsch, sorry to disappoint you, but you'll have to come back another time
[21:34] <highvoltage> Laibsch: working with the MOTU team may make it easier to prove work that was done within the team though
[21:34] <Seveas> Laibsch, it's more that the MOTU can judge your contributions better than we can
[21:34] <highvoltage> Laibsch: that's definitely not the case
[21:34] <Laibsch> not sure that's the case
[21:35] <Seveas> anyway, let's move on
[21:35] <Seveas> voRia, *now* you're up
[21:35] <Laibsch> good night
[21:35] <Laibsch> thanks
[21:35] <highvoltage> Laibsch: thanks to you too
[21:35] <voRia> I'm the founder and the mantainer of the 'Linux On My Samsung' project
[21:35] <Seveas> voRia, what kind of work did you do within the ubuntu teams?
[21:36] <voRia> the project aims to help users to get a better experience with ubuntu (and other distro too as well) on samsung netbooks/notebooks
[21:36] <voRia> actually, not that much
[21:36] <voRia> the project has born as individual
[21:36] <voRia> not aimed to ubuntu
[21:36] <Seveas> voRia, ubuntu membership is a recognition of a sustained and significant contribution to Ubuntu
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> Sadly, I'm again not seeing enough information on the wiki page to evaluate. There are no testimonials from Ubuntu members/teams. There are no details about sustained contributions to Ubuntu.
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> I'm sorry, I have to -1
[21:36] <Seveas> all I see is an upstream project, this does not qualify
[21:36] <Seveas> -1
[21:36] <highvoltage> voRia: I looked at the LP page for samsung-tools, it looks like a really good project but it seems like you've mostly really been active for a month or so?
[21:37] <voRia> the fact is, 99% of the work I do is for ubuntu
[21:37] <voRia> highvoltage: the project has born more than a yer ago
[21:37] <voRia> i provide fixed packages for ubuntu on the repository since intrepid release
[21:38] <popey> I'm inclined to agree. This looks like a worthwhile project, especially for those who are owners of these specific Samsung devices, but I'd like to see more contribution directly to Ubuntu.
[21:38] <popey> -1 from me for now.
[21:38] <voRia> popey: this what I've applied for
[21:38] <voRia> I want to integrate my work in ubuntu in a better way
[21:38] <highvoltage> voRia: your work looks good but your wiki page makes it incredibly hard to judge
[21:39] <highvoltage> -1 from me too
[21:39] <Seveas> voRia, Ubuntu membership is not a requirement for that, quite the contrary
[21:39] <forumsmatthew> perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what membership is and does. It is designed to recognize contribution and participation, not a first step
[21:39] <forumsmatthew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[21:39] <Seveas> if you have problems getting your software integrated with ubuntu, please talk to the MOTU
[21:39] <Seveas> anyway, -4 means we move on again
[21:39] <Seveas> ivarela, you're up now
[21:40] <voRia> well ok
[21:40] <ivarela> hi to all
[21:40] <Seveas> hi ivarela, please introduce yourself
[21:40] <highvoltage> voRia: if you need more advice on your wiki page feel free to contact any of us after the meeting
[21:40] <ivarela> First of all, I want apologize me about my english level
[21:40] <voRia> highvoltage: ok, thanks
[21:41] <ivarela> there is little to say about me: I'm a member of softastur, a community who works for free software in asturian language
[21:41] <ivarela> I heard about Ubuntu 3 years ago, and we started translating it.
[21:41] <forumsmatthew> wow, look at all that translation work!
[21:41] <ivarela> We had few resources, and we coordinate and optimize our resources working in softastur.  I am proud to say that a few years ago very few people knew Ubuntu in Asturias, and now this issue has changed.
[21:41] <Seveas> I'm impressed
[21:42] <ivarela> forumsmatthew: we are a very little group,
[21:42] <highvoltage> ivarela: at what kind of institutions do you do your talks and what topics do you cover?
[21:42] <Seveas> good contributions, well documented, good recommendations and launchpad info
[21:42] <ivarela> so we must work too much.
[21:42] <Seveas> +1, you made it easy for me, thanks :)
[21:42] <forumsmatthew> This is an example of someone doing real and sustained work and documenting it well. He also has good testimonials. The wiki is simple, but effective
[21:42] <forumsmatthew> easy +1 from me
[21:43] <highvoltage> I guess I can ask ivarela again after the meeting :)
[21:43] <highvoltage> +1 from me too
[21:43] <popey> Yup, great work, great testimonials! +1
[21:43] <Seveas> +4, excellent
[21:44] <Seveas> welcome to the dark side, ivarela!
[21:44] <ivarela> thank you very much
[21:44] <forumsmatthew> congratulations
[21:44] <Seveas> Respawner, you're up!
[21:44] <Respawner> well, hello everyone
[21:45] <Respawner> I'm Guillaume, a French guy, using Ubuntu since 2006, member of the ubuntu-fr community, writer on the ubuntu-fr planet, doing some translations work, contributor to java-gnome (coordination with Debian and Ubuntu packagers & coding of course)
[21:45] <Respawner> also writer for GNU/Linux Magazine
[21:45] <highvoltage> Respawner: just catching up on your blog... I also loved the 80's style Fringe episode ;)
[21:46] <Respawner> highvoltage: nice isn't it :p
[21:46] <Respawner> My blog is all french (sorry about that :))
[21:46] <Seveas> Respawner, where do you say you spend more time: ubuntu-fr or java-gnome?
[21:47] <Respawner> both actually, I wrote on the planet regularly and spend time on the forum of course, in java-gnome I try to keep the package up to date in a PPA and do some code
[21:48] <Seveas> Respawner, why aren't there any recommendations/testimonials from other ubuntu-fr members on your wikipage?
[21:48] <Respawner> my articles in GNU/Linux magazine France are tutorials written for Ubuntu in general
[21:49] <Respawner> Seveas: I would love to have a testimonial from onkarshinde, but I was not able to catch him
[21:49] <Respawner> I worked with him for the java-gnome package
[21:50] <highvoltage> Respawner: it's great that you maintain your ppa so well, why haven't you gotten any of your work into the Ubuntu archives yet?
[21:50] <Seveas> I'm leaning towards +1 but need a bit more convincing
[21:50] <Respawner> Seveas: sadly I have no reference from ubuntu-fr (I didn't ask actually)
[21:50] <Seveas> Respawner, why didn't you ask?
[21:51] <Respawner> highvoltage: I would love that, that's why I want to adopt java-gnome package in the future
[21:52] <Respawner> Seveas: I forgot and don't think about it
[21:53] <Seveas> highvoltage, popey, forumsmatthew: can I have a vote please?
[21:53] <popey> I'd like to see some more testimonials really
[21:53] <popey> especially given how huge the french ubuntu community is, can't be that hard :)
[21:53] <forumsmatthew> I am struggling. Again, I would like more testimonials from people in the Ubuntu world.
[21:53] <highvoltage> +1, I just want to suggest to Respawner that he gets his packages into revu and into universe
[21:53] <forumsmatthew> I have to +0 for now
[21:54] <Seveas> +0 too
[21:54] <popey> if he's going to go for putting packages in revu/universe then surely MOTU makes more sense?
[21:55] <Seveas> popey, well, he's doing lots in ubuntu-fr too, so here makes sense too
[21:55] <highvoltage> popey: if he's specifically interested in MOTU, then yes. if he only cares about his own packages then it might not
[21:55] <popey> true
[21:55] <popey> I'm going to say +0, and come back with more testimonials I'm afraid.
[21:55] <Seveas> Respawner, please get some ubuntu-fr testimonials and come back next month, shouold be a breeze then
[21:56] <highvoltage> Respawner: either way, please get some comments from people you have worked with and re-apply! Also consider following the MOTU route for membership if you have broader packaging interests.
[21:56] <Respawner> Seveas: sure, thank you anyway :)
[21:56] <Seveas> HardDisk, you're up next (and last on the agenda)
[21:56] <Respawner> highvoltage: I will consider that
[21:57] <Seveas> idle time 13h, we can assume he's not here
[21:58] <Seveas> so, almost end of meeting.
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> Let me then say as we close that it has been a privilege and honor to serve with all of you on the board.
[21:58] <Seveas> It's been very nice working with you all over the past 2 years!
[21:58] <popey> thanks forumsmatthew !
[21:58] <Seveas> or was it one year?
[21:58] <Seveas> anyway, I enjoyed it!
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> For me it was two
[21:58] <popey> will you be at UDS forumsmatthew ?
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> Yes!
[21:58] <Seveas> I will not :(
[21:58] <highvoltage> forumsmatthew: thanks for serving on the board, you've been great!
[21:58] <popey> excellent, we shall celebrate the good times
[21:58] <Seveas> Enjoy UDS!
[21:59] <popey> I shall have some kwak for you Seveas :)
[21:59] <Seveas> popey, that's a very good idea, but try not to limit yourself to kwak. Belgium has more :)
[21:59] <popey> :)
[21:59] <forumsmatthew> I look forward to working with each of you again in the future in other facets of the community.
[21:59] <Seveas> try at least karmeliet tripel for instance
[22:00] <highvoltage> ok I'm off, thanks everyone and goodnight!
[22:00] <czajkowski> highvoltage: nn
[22:00] <forumsmatthew> bye, everyone!
[22:00] <Seveas> so, what happens next for the emea board?
[22:00] <Seveas> who decides who will be on the board in the next 2 years?
[22:00] <popey> votes are almost all in
[22:00] <highvoltage> night czajkowski
[22:00] <popey> cc will announce shortly
[22:00] <Seveas> k
[22:00] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, I believe the CC is going to sort through the applications and announce
[22:00] <popey> should be tomorrow
[22:00] <Technoviking> Seveas: the CC is almost finished voting
[22:00] <highvoltage> Seveas: I guess we wait for the CC to choose the new members?
[22:03] <popey> Seveas: you doing the ~ubuntumembers thing? :)
[22:04] <Seveas> I shall
[22:04] <popey> thanks!
[22:04] <Technoviking> Anyone here for the CC meeting, there is nothing on the agenda
[22:04] <popey> o/
[22:04] <cjohnston> im here to watch it
[22:06] <Technoviking> Anyone got any questions or concerns for the Community Council, many of the member will be at UDS and there will be many community and goverance session during that week
[22:06]  * mdke arrives late
[22:06] <cjohnston> finishing the vote ;-)
[22:07] <Technoviking> hello mdke :)
[22:08] <mdke> Technoviking: heya :)
[22:08] <mdke> agenda's looking nice and tidy
[22:10] <Technoviking> Ok, I guess we will call it, be sure to particpate at UDS remotely if you can not attend next week.
[22:10] <popey> that was quick
[22:10] <mdke> ah hey popey
[22:10] <pleia2> :)
[22:10] <popey> hullo mdke pleia2
[22:11] <pleia2> hey popey
[22:11] <mdke> wow, great turnout
[22:12]  * highvoltage pops back in for a final scare before going to bed
[22:12] <Technoviking> ;)
[22:13] <Technoviking> mdke: we had a quorum:)
[22:14] <mdke> perhaps we should take some decisions in the absence of any agenda
[22:16] <Technoviking> mdke: like what?
[22:17] <mdke> quick show of hands for renaming Ubuntu One?
[22:17]  * mdke slinks off
[22:17] <highvoltage> rofl
[22:17] <highvoltage> mdke: where did everyone go to suddenly!?
[22:18] <mdke> everyone has their hands up, can't touch the keyboard
[22:19] <popey> hah
[22:19] <popey> you subversive little thing
[22:19] <mdke> that's me
[23:25] <HardDisk> Seveas
[23:25] <HardDisk> sorry I was away :( I had to be with my cousin, had a small emergency
[23:26] <HardDisk> I missed my membership I apologize, but family comes first.
[23:26] <HardDisk> I suppose I will have to reschedule again if it's too late.
[23:27] <HardDisk> considering its 1:26am Cairo time
[23:34] <HardDisk> Hope to get my chance next time.