[00:02] <knome> ooohh... what will happen next
[00:02] <knome> :P
[00:03] <knome> ave caesar!
[00:03] <knome> morituri te salutant
[00:03] <Tm_T> he promised to come back later calmly
[00:04] <knome> :)
[00:06] <Tm_T> small victory, I guess
[00:07] <knome> winning a battle, losing the war
[00:13] <h00k> knome: naysayer!
[00:13] <knome> :P
[00:17] <maco> knome: so are you a kde user that switched to gnome or vice versa?
[00:17] <knome> maco, actually went from gnome to xfce...
[00:17]  * Tm_T huggles maco
[00:17] <maco> so whats the k for?
[00:17] <maco> Tm_T: what?
[00:18]  * maco huggles Tm_T back
[00:18] <knome> maco, for the sake i wanted a nick starting with "k" (i know, that's ridiculous)
[00:18]  * maco is unsure why there is huggling, but doesnt mind it
[00:18] <knome> had this nick even before using linux
[00:20] <Tm_T> maco: just felt like it, isn't that reason enough? (:)
[00:20] <maco> Tm_T: hehe ok :)
[00:23] <h00k> d'aw. teh love.
[00:23]  * knome can smell the love in here
[00:23] <knome> wait...
[00:24] <knome> ;)
[00:24] <Tm_T> knome: no, it's you
[00:25] <knome> yes, i just noticed that
[00:25]  * knome blushes
[00:43] <Pici> Tm_T: Thanks for dealing with sudobash earlier.  Sorry I couldn't be of more help, I lost a day's worth of transactions and the finance department was breathing down my neck.
[00:44] <h00k> Pici: cat /dev/urandom > transactions.db
[00:44] <Pici> h00k: if only...
[00:45] <h00k> Pici: heh.
[00:45] <Pici> Some nightly job failed over a week ago and no one noticed until now.
[01:13] <Tm_T> Pici: np
[01:47] <h00k> ubottu: login
[01:47] <h00k> @btlogin
[01:50] <h00k> Apparently I suck at using this search interface.
[01:50] <Tm_T> how so?
[01:50] <h00k> well, I'll tell you if I got it as soon as it loads...
[01:50] <h00k> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?channel=%25&operator=%25&query=soundconjurer&kicks=on&bans=on&oldbans=on&mutes=on&oldmutes=on&floodbots=on
[01:50] <h00k> I want to look up kicks/bans on that nick
[01:50] <h00k> in any channel, by anyone
[01:51] <Tm_T> yes?
[01:51] <h00k> No matches for: "soundconjurer" in % by %;
[01:52] <Tm_T> that's it then?
[01:52] <h00k> apparently?
[01:52] <h00k> They just asked if I rememberd them from Release Day
[01:52] <h00k> I do remember having problems with them
[01:54] <h00k> apparently I didn't have any activity in #u-r-p
[01:54] <h00k> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?channel=%23ubuntu-release-party&operator=h00k&query=&kicks=on&bans=on&oldbans=on&mutes=on&oldmutes=on&floodbots=on
[01:56] <Pici> h00k: the real ubottu wasn't in #u-r-p, so no bans were recorded
[01:56] <h00k> Oh. I should have known that.
[01:56] <bazhang> rlease party not in db
[01:57]  * h00k facepalms
[02:03] <Semitones> hey there
[02:03] <Semitones> any -ot ops, could you keep an eye on bobby
[02:03] <Semitones> starting to get a bit punchy
[02:04] <Tm_T> thanks
[02:05] <Semitones> np
[02:13] <Pici> Perhaps someone should move the conversation with bobby to pm
[02:13] <rww> Hello. MTechnology is on a crusade to whine at people over language that a reasonable person would not consider problematic. It is highly irritating and I would appreciate it if someone would look into his history of this and get him to quit it.
[02:13] <funkyHat> I've just spoken to him
[02:14] <Pici> feel free to poke me if you need help, I'm only halfway paying attention here.
[02:16] <funkyHat> bazhang: was just about to remove him but I won't tread on your toes
[02:16] <bazhang> funkyHat, no toes to tread on :)
[02:16] <Pici> bean ops?!
[02:17] <h00k> bazhang: doesn't have toes?
[02:17] <bazhang> ohonez!
[02:17] <Tm_T> Igor took 'em
[02:17] <h00k> it happens.
[02:18] <h00k> KB1JWQ: Oh, that was you.
[02:20] <rww> Also, a "rww, I think you're crazy and biased" would be better than just ignoring me ;P
[02:20] <Pici> rww: I thought funkyHat replied to you.
[02:20] <Pici> but I like ignoring you too.
[02:20] <rww> I thought funkyHat replied to you!
[02:20] <Pici> oh
[02:20] <funkyHat> I was replying to rww
[02:20] <rww> !who | funkyHat :(
[02:20] <Pici> rww: Also, good IRC related blog post.
[02:21] <rww> funkyHat: oh, okay. In that case, thank you.
[02:21] <bazhang> haha
[02:21] <funkyHat> hehe
[02:21] <rww> Pici: Thanks. Will be interested to see if anything comes of it at UDS :)
[02:21] <Tm_T> let's just get everyone to use irssi?
[02:21]  * Tm_T hides
[02:22] <funkyHat> ⢁D
[02:22] <rww> Tm_T: in a perfect world!
[02:22] <Tm_T> rww: in a perfect world, we wouldn't have anything like IRC
[02:23] <rww> heresy :(
[02:24] <rww> but yeah, not having a decent IRC client really is a problem, and if any of you are going to UDS or otherwise can help with the situation, I would really appreciate it :)
[02:24] <Pici> rww: jussi is
[02:25]  * persia is convinced there are no good IRC clients, sadly (although irssi comes very close)
[02:26] <Tm_T> I find irssi good, not perfect but good
[02:26] <Tm_T> been using it some 10 years now, only
[02:27] <rww> my irssi is starting to exhibit emacs syndrome. i use it for irssi, IM, identica, am working on email and rss...
[02:28] <Tm_T> heh, good boy
 Paddy_NI: You weren't here earlier, would have made more sense to you if you were.
[03:16] <Paddy_NI> there you go
[03:20] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: everything ok?
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> Mob mentality
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> IdleOne: I wish no harm but cant stand this
[03:22] <Paddy_NI> seems to me like having ops is like living in a small village with a flaming torch
[03:22] <Paddy_NI> I wish it was not
[03:23] <bazhang> Paddy_NI, please take a time out first before you continue
[03:23] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: not sure what is going on but I don't think anybody is ganging up on anyone. I do know this. I am sure that if you need to speak to any op about a particular issue you can always PM if you need to.
[03:23] <IdleOne> or like you did
[03:23] <IdleOne> come here and ping that op :)
[03:23] <Paddy_NI> IdleOne: I tried to but was denied
[03:23] <Paddy_NI> I am done
[03:24] <bazhang> rww is not an op
[03:24] <IdleOne> Well unless I am wrong the #*buntu ops don't block pm
[03:24] <IdleOne> yeah rww is not an op
[03:24] <h00k> I was not quite paying attention at the time, I could read backlogs though.
[03:25] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: care to explain the situation to us and maybe if there is something that needs to be done one of us can take care of it
[03:26] <Paddy_NI> OH dear.. it seems I got ahead of myself..
[03:26] <IdleOne> mistaken identity?
[03:26] <IdleOne> :)
[03:26] <IdleOne> happens on irc all the time
[03:26] <Paddy_NI> I really do not want to cause fuss on this channel as I have come to love #ubuntu
[03:27] <Paddy_NI> its my first IRC channel
[03:27] <IdleOne> this channel is all about fuss
[03:27] <Paddy_NI> and I guess I am the self obvious "tw*t"
[03:27] <Paddy_NI> :)
[03:27] <Paddy_NI> no harm intended
[03:27] <IdleOne> twit is not a bad word afaik
[03:28] <bazhang> that was not what he meant
[03:28] <Paddy_NI> now I need to put my head under the sheets
[03:28] <funkyHat> IdleOne: s/i/a/
[03:28] <Paddy_NI> :P
[03:28] <bazhang> Paddy_NI, okay then
[03:28] <Paddy_NI> okay cool down time
[03:28] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: cool beans then, have a good night.
[03:28] <bazhang> great idea
[03:28] <Paddy_NI> sorry guys
[03:29] <bazhang> cya later
[03:29] <Paddy_NI> bazhang: no harm
[03:29] <Paddy_NI> calm too
[03:29] <Paddy_NI> :)
[03:29] <IdleOne> Paddy_NI: you ain't got to go home but you got to get out of here :)
[03:29] <Paddy_NI> oh woops
[03:31] <Pici> odd
[03:31] <IdleOne> I think it was just like rww said, mistaken identity
[03:32] <IdleOne> Guess what I did?
[03:32] <IdleOne> you will never guess
[03:32] <h00k> banned yourself from somewhere.
[03:32] <IdleOne> I apparently have so much money that I forgot to submit my hours for last week
[03:32] <bazhang> hah
[03:32] <IdleOne> h00k: no :P
[05:44] <bazhang> mook_ seems to be trolling
[05:53] <IdleOne> think we need to drop the entire subject and get back to support in there.
[05:54] <Tm_T> I agree
[06:01] <Flannel> bazhang: It's perfectly appropriate for that channel with regard to the way he's addressing it.
[06:01] <Flannel> and trying to get him to come here is just going to cause more disruption
[06:02] <bazhang> hmm?
[06:02] <bazhang> discussion of removal is appropriate for here, always has been in the past.
[06:02] <Tm_T> indeed here, not in support channel
[06:02] <Tm_T> or in PM
[06:02] <bazhang> -ot right now
[06:02] <Flannel> bazhang: appropriate for here, yes.  But "here" isn't the only place it can be discussed
[06:04] <Flannel> Howdy syn-ack, how can we help you?
[06:04] <bazhang> syn-ack, he was making a sarcastic comment
[06:04] <syn-ack> ah
[06:04] <syn-ack> nm then. :P
[06:04] <bazhang> ie Semitones
[06:05] <IdleOne> he is pushing it. needs a ban. I don't have ops or he would be banned already
[06:05] <bazhang> that is not the proper channel for it.
[06:07] <bazhang> now he is banned in -ot and #ubuntu
[06:08] <bazhang> a simple request for him to come here and discuss from the outset would have perhaps alleviated the necessity for that
[06:08] <IdleOne> well he can come here and insult us and be banned again
[06:08]  * IdleOne will stay out of it if he does.
[06:08] <maco> is he gonna be auto-redirected here?
[06:08] <IdleOne> I'm a little upset
[06:08] <maco> if so a gandalfian "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" could be amusing
[06:09] <bazhang> nope not banforwarded
[06:09]  * maco hugs IdleOne
[06:09]  * IdleOne huggles maco 
[06:13] <bazhang> so what is the IRCC policy on this? removes/kicks/bans OKAY to be discussed in #ubuntu-offtopic ? or should they be asked to join here? My impression was that outside of PM this was the sole location to discuss.
[06:14] <Flannel> bazhang: Why would discussion of community events/policies be offtopic in the community offtopic channel?
[06:14] <IdleOne> bazhang: I would think this is the place to discuss that
[06:14] <bazhang> IdleOne, that was my impression (longstanding) as well
[06:14] <Flannel> By the time he got really going, it was less about his particular kick, and more about ranting in general
[06:15] <bazhang> Flannel, up until now, it has been here. to my knowledge discussion of such has not changed. I may well be mistaken though
[06:16] <IdleOne> allowing it to go as far as it did was a mistake imo but there really is no way to tell how far a person is going to take the rant so :/
[06:16] <Flannel> bazhang: "Discuss your [disciplinary action] with the ops in here"  Not "Discuss community policies with [arbitrary people]".
[06:16] <bazhang> the entire rant was about being removed.
[06:18] <Flannel> bazhang: He didn't have to come here to get unbanned or anything, I don't see why he needs to rant in here as well.  That puts a chilling effect on any sort of discussion of those sorts of things.
[06:18] <Flannel> Once he becomes an issue in -ot, that's another story about it being inappropriate for that channel.
[06:19] <Flannel> but had he done it in a calm, polite, etc manner, that wasn't abrasive, or disruptive to -ot's other discussions, I don't see any reason we should be worrying about it
[06:36] <elky> I personally wouldn't trust the -ot crew to not make a circus of it.
[06:38] <maco> elky: actually he got a roaring smackdown from the -ot crew
[06:39] <elky> circuses can go both ways
[06:39] <elky> the -ot crew has been known to take the gender and race "weaknesses" when doing their "roaring smackdowns"
[06:40] <elky> Hence why we tend not to trust them with nice things.
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[13:16] <maco> @login
[13:17] <maco> @btlogin
[13:17] <maco> @help
[13:17] <maco> @help mark
[13:57]  * Pici sighs
[14:07] <macr0x> ohai ops
[14:07] <elky> before we start:
[14:07] <elky> !guidelines
[14:07] <macr0x> shall we sing rick astley first please?
[14:07] <elky> I want you to read the stuff at the link above.
[14:08] <macr0x> but my browser only renders korean text
[14:08] <macr0x> =/
[14:09] <macr0x> i think kubuntu is better than any ubuntu derivative because its more windows-ish
[14:09] <elky> So?
[14:09] <macr0x> also i got the source for NT 6
[14:09] <macr0x> i tought that you want
[14:10] <macr0x> why u mad tho elky
[14:10] <elky> I want you to read the guidelines.
[14:10] <macr0x> guidelines,where?
[14:10] <elky> !guidelines
[14:10] <elky> Those ones.
[14:11] <macr0x> it redirects to my own apache server =/
[14:12] <elky> jussi, care to try?
[14:12] <macr0x> elky
[14:12] <macr0x> elky
[14:12] <macr0x> elky.....
[14:12] <txwikinger> macr0x: It is very easy... Either you abide by the guidelines or you are not allowed on the channels
[14:12] <txwikinger> It is up to you
[14:13] <txwikinger> what a kindergarden :)
[14:13] <Tm_T> was about to do it...
[14:13] <jussi> txwikinger: welcme to normality...
[14:13] <Pici> in -irc now
[14:13] <txwikinger> :D
[14:13] <txwikinger> jussi: I have one at home, so I am used to it :D
[14:13] <macr0x> rude
[14:14] <macr0x> the perfect ubuntu person always tries to support
[14:14] <macr0x> other people
[14:14] <macr0x> but you guys kick me
[14:14] <macr0x> shame
[14:14] <Tm_T> macr0x: if you are not willing to deal with us without silly games, you can leave
[14:14] <txwikinger> macr0x: We try to support you to learn proper ettiquette
[14:15] <macr0x> Tm_T:are you provoking me to  a challenge?
[14:15] <Tm_T> macr0x: no, I'm asking you to behave
[14:15] <txwikinger> macr0x: but your part of it is to listen and obey..
[14:15] <macr0x> u mad?
[14:15] <Tm_T> I have no reasons to be mad (:)
[14:16] <macr0x> then why you mad
[14:16] <txwikinger> macr0x: Nobody is mad
[14:16] <macr0x> except you man
[14:16] <macr0x> you are really angry
[14:17] <txwikinger> macr0x: You just need to behave or keep out of our channels.. it is very easy
[14:17] <macr0x> and if i dont want to
[14:17] <macr0x> yall get mad
[14:17] <macr0x> =[
[14:17] <macr0x> this is pure bdsm
[14:17] <Tm_T> no, we just do our job with smile
[14:18] <txwikinger> macr0x: please grow up and learn to accept your limits :D
[14:18] <macr0x> :D
[14:18] <macr0x> you funny guy
[14:18] <macr0x> your internet explorer can render good jokes
[14:18] <macr0x> as i se
[14:18] <IdleOne> macr0x: this is not a discussion, you are expected to follow the rules. Don't and we will be forced to ban you.
[14:18] <macr0x> Holy Qu`ran
[14:18] <macr0x> why you do this
[14:19] <Tm_T> because that is our job
[14:19] <macr0x> That, meaning, this, Book, which Muhammad (s) recites, in it there is no doubt, no uncertainty, that it is from God (the negation [lĀ rayba fĪhi] is the predicate of dhĀlika; the use of the demonstrative here is intended to glorify [the Book]). A guidance (hudĀ is a second predicate, meaning that it [the Book] ‘guides’), for the God-fearing, namely, those that tend towards piety by...
[14:19] <macr0x> ...adhering...
[14:19] <macr0x> ...to commands and avoiding things prohibited, thereby guarding themselves from the Fire;
[14:19] <macr0x> Amen
[14:20] <macr0x> enjoy your inexistent girlfriends linuxfags
[14:20] <Tm_T> ):
[14:20] <elky> I think we can stop it there.
[14:20] <txwikinger> indeed
[14:20] <elky> someone lift it in ten or so if i forget
[14:21] <IdleOne> there was no talking with him and he won't change his position.
[14:21] <IdleOne> troll is troll
[14:21] <elky> IdleOne, there was never a chance of it. we just go through the motions of trying.
[14:21] <maco> inexistent?
[14:21] <IdleOne> shame though, he seems like he is fairly intelligent
[14:21] <txwikinger> He is from Romania
[14:21] <Pici> nonexistant.
[14:21] <elky> maco, i dont think english was his native tongue
[14:22] <IdleOne> Pici: , oh that last sentence makes sense now
[14:22] <maco> wait my girlfriend is *totally* non-existent
[14:22] <txwikinger> IdleOne: not really
[14:22] <elky> IdleOne, the smartest person in my family is my brother. a jailbird truckie. life is funny like that.
[14:23] <maco> IdleOne: back to that bit in -ot where he was asking about linus's sexual preferences
[14:23] <maco> the last line i mean
[14:24] <IdleOne> I didn't even see that
[14:24] <IdleOne> I just sat down at the computer 10 seconds before I spoke in here
[14:24] <maco> oh
[14:24] <maco> ill pm you
[14:24] <IdleOne> sure :)
[14:24] <IdleOne> I love morning pm's from maco :)
[14:26] <Tm_T> everyone loves morning pms from taco
[14:27] <Tm_T> ...I need some food ->
[14:28] <IdleOne> lol
[14:36] <txwikinger> yo quiero Taco Bell
[14:37] <jpds> txwikinger: Pues, no lo puedes tenir.
[14:37] <txwikinger> :D
[15:20] <IdleOne> Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois
[15:20] <IdleOne> I would like to have the "pour les Quebecois" part removed. It reads as exclusive :/
[15:21] <IdleOne> like if your not from -qc then we don't want you
[15:22] <IdleOne> ubottu: !fr is Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[15:27] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, fr is <reply> Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[15:28] <Tm_T> IdleOne: ok now?
[15:28] <IdleOne> yup thank you.
[15:28] <IdleOne> !fr
[17:47] <jussi> ubottu: join #ubuntu-packaging
[21:25] <jpds> ubottu: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2898723&group_id=131204&atid=720419
[22:21] <peleg> Hey there. I am trying to enter #ubuntu, but it keeps telling me that I am banned. I believe that it is a mistake. Can you check that? thanks :)
[22:22] <MrPancake> Someone want to take care of barley? :-)
[22:23] <MrPancake> I just quieted him for ten.
[22:23] <peleg> Anyone?
[22:24] <Pici> one moment
[22:24] <peleg> thanks
[22:24] <nhandler> peleg: You are using the web gateway
[22:25] <nhandler> Pici: Is the bot not working again?
[22:25] <peleg> nhandler: that's true. I am using a machine which is not mine - I am not allowed to install here any software
[22:25] <peleg> nhandler: but I am also a registered and identified user.
[22:25] <nhandler> peleg: Yeah, there is a bot that should give you a ban exemption to join #ubuntu , but it breaks every now and then
[22:26] <peleg> I see. I can wait :)
[22:31] <peleg> nhandler: thanks
[22:31] <nhandler> :)
[22:33] <Pici> peleg: you should be fine now.  Just make sure to /part #ubuntu-proxy-users first before trying to join #ubuntu again
[22:33] <peleg> Pici: I am there already, thanks :)
[22:40] <nhandler> peleg: If there is not anything else we can help you with right now, would you mind /part'ing here ?
[22:40] <peleg> sure, sorry :)
[23:03] <MrPancake> Urm... the channel ban list is full in #ubuntu
[23:07] <MrPancake> Pici: Ping.
[23:07] <MrPancake> A lot of 'em look like they're ancient; anything set by operserv is from the ircd migration.
[23:07] <MrPancake> Really, really tempting to clear the ban list entirely and repopulate it as needed.
[23:19] <jpds> Heh, now I have Barley in PM.
[23:33] <Pici> !server
[23:33] <Pici> hrm.
[23:33] <Pici> oh. spelling
[23:35] <Pici> !server > sebsebseb
[23:37] <ThomasG33K> sorry to be a bother but, I would like to know why I was banned from the #ubuntu channel?
[23:42] <h00k> ThomasG33K: give me a second
[23:42] <h00k> oh.
[23:46] <ThomasG33K> sorry thought this was wrong channel for me
[23:47] <Pici> ThomasG33K: We current;y ban freeshell.org due to an inordinante amount of abuse from that host.
[23:47] <Pici> I can add an exception for you though.
[23:47] <h00k> Pici: thanks, I was trying to look up that information but couldn't find it :)
[23:47] <ThomasG33K> sorry. Just switched to that host
[23:48] <ThomasG33K> some of those regular users are pretty bad IRCers from what I have noticed
[23:48] <ThomasG33K> thanks for your help :)
[23:48] <Pici> ThomasG33K: I can't garuntee that the exception will be there forever though, we regularly prune that list.
[23:49] <ThomasG33K> Pici: Okay, Ill let you know if I have further problems
[23:53] <ThomasG33K> Also, the host sverige.freeshell.org has the paying users on it, not the free users. So I think they tend not to abuse as much as the other hosts. Some consideration for modifying the blanket ban to make an exception for sverige.freeshell.org would be appreciated