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[14:56] <cjohnston> mdke: you still here by chance?
[21:53] <mdke> cjohnston: I'm here now
[21:53] <cjohnston> mdke: I just want to clarify.. There is no desire/it isnt going to happen when it comes to translating help.u.c?
[21:53] <cjohnston> from the web team
[21:54] <mdke> cjohnston: from the docteam's point of view, we follow the same approach that is taken for www.ubuntu.com - i.e. local teams are very welcome to do it, but they are best hosted on the local team's own websites so that users can find all localised material in one convenient place
[21:55] <cjohnston> ok..
[21:55] <jpds> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-localized-help-dot-ubuntu-dot-com
[21:55] <cjohnston> right
[21:56] <cjohnston> I was asked I guess to host this..
[21:56] <cjohnston> but if its not going to happen, I don't see a reason to host it
[21:56] <mdke> how do you mean "to host"?
[21:56] <cjohnston> host the uds session
[21:56] <cjohnston> and i guess probably also coordinate the actual project
[21:57] <cjohnston> since im doing the website localization project
[21:57] <mdke> as I understand the website localisation project, you will just detect the user's browser language and offer a link to the local team website, right?
[21:57] <cjohnston> to a translated wiki page, yes
[21:57] <mdke> not to the local team website?
[21:58] <cjohnston> correct
[21:58] <mdke> how come?
[21:58] <cjohnston> it will be to a translated wiki page that will offer links to resources in that language.. a 'landing page' if you will
[21:59] <mdke> I mean, what's wrong with linking to the localised website straight away?
[21:59] <cjohnston> not all teams have a localized website
[21:59] <mdke> but for those that do
[21:59] <cjohnston> and because that isnt the desire of the boss
[21:59] <cjohnston> (read matt)
[22:00] <mdke> newz2000: ^^
[22:00]  * newz2000 reads
[22:00] <mdke> cjohnston: anyway, there's no reason a similar approach couldn't be adopted for help.ubuntu.com
[22:01] <cjohnston> mdke: to link to the same page as the regular website localization project, or to something else
[22:01] <newz2000> mdke: the problem with linking directly to a loco team website is two fold, the greater issue being that there is not a 1;1 mapping of languages to loco teams (some langs have many more than one)
[22:02] <newz2000> the second point is that we want to have quality control of the intermediary page
[22:02] <mdke> cjohnston: in my opinion, each site should link to an equivalent site - i.e. www.ubuntu.com should link to www.ubuntu-it.org in italian and help.ubuntu.com should link to help.ubuntu-it.org
[22:02] <mdke> newz2000: who is "we"?
[22:03] <newz2000> we = ubuntu.com webmaster and the people he reports to
[22:04] <mdke> I'm not sure that's the right "we" for this case.
[22:04] <mdke> anyway, I can see that there might need to be some subtlety to deal with instances where there isn't 1:1 mapping, but in the vast majority of cases, it seems cumbersome to make the user click through twice to get to the right result
[22:05] <mdke> cjohnston: anyway, I don't see any harm at all in a discussion along the lines of adapting the same project for help.u.c., I just won't support a solution where localised material is hosted away from the local sites
[22:06] <cjohnston> ok.. so doing the same thing as my project would be ok
[22:06] <mdke> from my perspective, certainly
[22:07] <cjohnston> can the website localization project just be added to the help. pages as well?
[22:07] <mdke> I'm not familiar with the technical solution that's adopted. But the help.u.c are just static pages so I suspect anything is possible, within reason
[22:07] <mdke> it is hosted on Canonical servers too so the usual rules about code review and security apply
[22:07] <mdke> I'll assign myself as approver of the spec, if you don't mind - even if I'm not at UDS
[22:09] <cjohnston> mdke: we have a general approval from sysadmins.. it will be run via apache's detection of preferred language, and display a small "Resources in <language>" link
[22:09] <cjohnston> and then link to the landing page
[22:09] <cjohnston> im just not sure that we need a session for it
[22:10] <mdke> "resources" fits help.ubuntu.com much better than it does www.ubuntu.com - so that sounds fine
[22:10] <mdke> I don't mind whether a session is scheduled or not
[22:10] <mdke> maybe a separate spec isn't even warranted :)
[22:11] <cjohnston> so for now.. mdke newz2000.. I'm going to tell dpm that I want to hold off on any discussion of the current spec that has been made.. and then after applying the current project to w.u.c, mdke and I will meet (and maybe others) and determine if it meets requirements for h.u.c
[22:11] <cjohnston> does that sound like a good plan to all?
[22:11] <mdke> fine by me
[22:12] <newz2000> ok by me
[22:12] <cjohnston> thanks guys
[22:16] <cjohnston> mdke: I just added text to the whiteboard saying as such also
[22:16] <cjohnston> Do we want to change the status to reflect that it wont be done
[22:17] <mdke> cjohnston: possibly - is there an appropriate status?
[22:18] <cjohnston> I can't see them since im not a part of it
[22:18] <cjohnston> let me see if i can find one
[22:19] <cjohnston> definition obsolete?
[22:20] <cjohnston> or maybe superseeded?
[22:20] <mdke> possibly superceded.
[22:21] <cjohnston> superceeded by my project?
[22:21] <mdke> is there a spec?
[22:21] <cjohnston> spec and blueprint can be found from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization
[22:22] <mdke> ok, I'll mark as superceded and add a link to that
[22:22] <mdke> thanks
[22:22] <cjohnston> ty mdke
[22:22] <cjohnston> and ill try to talk to dpm tomorrow
[22:24] <mdke> sure - he's subscribed to the spec so he'll see those changes too
[22:25] <cjohnston> hope so
[22:26] <cjohnston> but ill still explain to him since he asked me to do it
[22:29] <cjohnston> your hard to get ahold of btw :-P