[01:05] rgreening_: kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff shouldn't be removed from kdebase-workspace, it hasn't been applied upstream [02:06] nixternal: Thanks for the use of the powerpc box. I'm done for a while now. I was able to upload an SRU for Bug #574906 as a result. [02:06] Launchpad bug 574906 in clamav "Clamav 0.96.0 clamd fails to start on powerpc" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574906 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:16] debfx: hmmm... I'll have to recheck that. thanks === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [09:46] how's 4.4.3? [09:48] still in ninjas [09:48] I'll copy over [09:49] ooh, I should add PPA's to this machine. we have Lucid PPA's already? [09:49] it will land on lucid-backports or ppa-backports ? [09:57] depends if I can get launchpad to do what I tell it without it breaking [09:58] ah, lovely [09:58] * Tm_T tries to learn the secrets of bugzilla in the meantime [09:59] the brightness patch is still missing in kdebase-workspace [10:01] hmm, have anyone compiled KDE trunk on Kubuntu? I'm getting errors on wrong Phonon version :/ [10:02] debfx: it's gone in 4.4.3 because it's upstream [10:02] Quintasan: you have to build phonon from git, you cannot use the one in Qt [10:02] Tm_T: oh, awesome [10:03] Quintasan: but you have to build Qt with phonon ... [10:03] Riddell: it's upstream in a bugfix release? [10:03] and then make sure that you have only the upstream phonon [10:03] debfx: seems so yes [10:03] Tm_T: wait, so I'm building Qt with Phonon, right? [10:04] phonon needs to go out of Qt :P [10:04] or stop existing outside Qt :P [10:05] Riddell: no it isn't [10:06] Quintasan: well, if you build Qt yourself [10:06] Quintasan: if not, then ignore that bit, you just have to build Phonon from git [10:06] ...and make sure it's the phonon your build sees and uses [10:08] Quintasan: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Prerequisites#Phonon [10:11] debfx: hmm, you're right [10:11] rgreening: how come kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff was removed when it still applies? [10:21] Tm_T: okay, since trunk needs Qt 4.7 I'll have to build it myself anyways [10:21] Quintasan: no it doesn't [10:22] woah [10:22] that's nice [10:22] 4.6.2 should be just fine [10:22] awesome [10:22] only some parts, like kdepim mobile version needs that [10:23] then I'm leaving it and going to mow my lawn [10:23] (: [10:23] better than wasting time looking at the compilation :P [10:42] Tm_T: hmm, I have compiled it and installed but cmake still finds 4.3.1 Phonon [10:42] Quintasan: because it looks from where Qt is [10:43] Tm_T: so how do I make it to look for the new phonon? [10:43] that's the tricky part, did the last techbase link I gave you explain of it? [10:44] ah, in the same dir at Qts Phonon [10:44] :S [10:45] Quintasan: I wonder if you could do some fooling for it, so you don't have to break your already installed phonon [10:47] Tm_T: the Qt dir is set as /home/kde-devel/qt4 :P [10:47] let's try this [10:52] hmm [10:52] still looks in /usr/include/qt4 [11:09] debfx: uploading 4.4.3 with that patch readded [11:09] also uploading kdelibs rebuilt [11:09] upstream rebuilt tar [11:15] ** testers needed for 4.4.3 https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa [11:17] Trouble: ^^ [11:21] ehlo peoples :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [11:22] Riddell: shouldnt we have tested before moving it there? ^^ === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [11:47] Okie dokie Riddell! [11:50] Riddell: not all packages built yet? [11:51] Tm_T: what makes you think that? [11:51] I hope they are, because I'm about to update on two machines :-p [11:52] apachelogger: launchpad page [11:53] launchpad-- [11:53] oh, amd64 [11:53] bah [11:54] amd-- [11:54] and language packs still missing, but that's not a problem at all [11:55] OK, I won't update my amd64 machine, just the netbook [11:55] Trouble: you can update both I think, it'll tell you if there's something missing for real [11:56] Will do Tm_T, cheers :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:59] apachelogger: they were tested before but they should also be tested after the move to be certain [12:00] true [12:00] * apachelogger just crashed plasma :( [12:01] hm [12:02] opendesktop needs a downloadability check fraemwork [12:02] * apachelogger hates it when wallpaper downloas fail :S [12:07] and icon themes -.- [12:07] you cant pull crystal icons into the kde settings [12:07] cause it sems not to be hosted on kde-look [12:07] Riddell: all installs fine, will launch session now [12:07] and some kdm themes too [12:08] Last final exam today, then I'll be free! [12:09] bbl [12:12] seems to work too [12:33] Riddell: did you get anywhere with increasing the akonadi timeout? [12:34] I have a feeling your issue might be realted to akonadi not terminating properly at session end [12:34] * apachelogger can mostly reproduce this when he has session restoring turned on [12:56] apachelogger: increased timeout doesn't seem to work [12:56] no change here [12:58] testing?! [12:58] count me in [12:59] Quintasan: please do [13:00] Riddell: urgh. conflicts [13:07] Riddell: kdebase-workspace-data is not available yet (at least here) [13:07] Quintasan: amd64? [13:07] Tm_T: yup [13:07] ah then [13:07] oh crap it's Trouble [13:07] hide! [13:07] * Tm_T hides [13:07] * Quintasan goes into his bunker [13:08] After updating my amd64 machine to 4.4.3 kdm isn't starting properly... just looking why [13:08] The update was fine on i386 [13:08] Trouble: possibly not all packages updated yet? [13:08] Trouble: kdebase-workspace-data is not available on amd64 yet [13:08] OK, a second reboot and kdm has started fine! \o/ [13:08] (weird if dependencies doesn't catch those things though) [13:08] I wasn't warned that any packages were missing [13:09] Trouble: because the packages are installed, just wrong version (: [13:10] though usually bugfix release shoudln't be picky I guess [13:10] Riddell: :/ [13:10] * apachelogger can build plasma google gadget support \\o/ [13:11] apachelogger: ooh? [13:11] Although I can now enter my credentials in to KDM, KDE doesn't start :-p [13:11] But I just noticed I got kdelibs and libplasma3 held back :) [13:11] * Trouble waits [13:12] Riddell: need to apply some changes to svn, after that we can grab the dir and build away [13:12] dir = only the source of the ggadget engine [13:12] but right now I am incredibly late for lecture ^^ [13:16] kdelibs-bin has a dependancy on kdelibs5 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1, but 4.4.3a is installed! [13:17] Oh no wait. Forget I said that! :-s [13:17] lol [13:20] Riddell: the brightness patch fix from 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu14 is missing in 4.4.3 [13:20] this one: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45101390/kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.4.2-0ubuntu13_4%3A4.4.2-0ubuntu14.diff.gz [13:21] debfx: yes I added it back this morning [13:21] it probably hasn't compiled yet [13:23] All 4.4.3 amd64 packages have finished compiling right? I can't see any that haven't. [13:24] Riddell: I'm talking about a bugfix of the patch, please click on the link :) [13:38] hmm, let me look [13:50] cool, todays network lecture is CCNA sem 1 and 2 ^^ [13:51] what a waste of time [14:08] http://imagebin.ca/view/fpM-L8.html [14:08] * apachelogger notes that the gg scriptengine appears to be $broken [14:08] it creates a config.txt which really should be metadata.desktop [14:09] you know, I think Ive said this before, but its true, the "details" button on kpackagekit is utterly useless.... [14:10] It is. [14:10] but fun [14:11] the amount of detail is mind warping === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [14:29] Gah, why on my amd64 machine does the installation of kdelibs5 does it have a dependancy on 4.4.3a, but is trying to install 4.4.3? :-s [14:53] jussi: KPK was never useful in the first place [14:53] :) [14:54] Trouble: I think they have already compiled but are not published yet. [14:55] apachelogger: Oh, while I still have not forgotten. What do you think I can do after going through Qt's tutorials? Reading docs seems like a good idea but I'm lacking any ideas how to put my new knowledge to use. [14:56] Quintasan: Do you know who's publishing them? Because I have a broken desktop machine at the moment :) [14:57] Trouble: Launchpad does that. I don't know why but it takes some time now and then [14:58] Is it normal when installing something like kdelibs5-data for apt-get to say it's installing from kdelibs5-data_4%3a4.4.3-0ubuntu~ppa1_all.deb, (notice the *a* in the package name) but when settnig up the package it refers to it as 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1 (notice it's not 4.4.3a)? [14:59] Perhaps that why kdelibs5 was rebuilt? [15:08] Riddell: Not that I like adding to your work but I think we need a new ToDo list :P [15:10] Quintasan: that's what UDS is for [15:11] * Quintasan didn't get sponsorship :< [15:11] OK, think I fixed my 4.4.3 problem [15:12] you can still take part remotely [15:12] Riddell: Sure I will but being there means being more productive than normal (no temptation to play games or watch movies etc.) :P [15:13] I tend to find that if I'm remote, and actually listening to sessions and interacting on IRC, I don't have *time* to play games or watch movies, etc. [15:14] persia: I think it's called procastrination. Though everyone should call it "I'm lazy most of the time" [15:14] :) [15:15] heh. Also, UDS isn't just limited to those who receive sponsorship. If you can get to the venue, and find a place to stay, anyone is more than welcome. [15:16] persia: Well, the cash is the problem in my current state. Too young to work and go anywhere on my own :p [15:16] * genii waits for an UDS to happen near enough to Toronto to take a bus there [15:18] Quintasan: Heh. I understand. I missed a number of UDSs for a wide variety of reasons. Remote attendance can work well, if your timezone matches in a way compatible with your lifestyle. [15:19] persia: Well. Recently I've noticed that I have too much energy. Timezones are not important now ;) [15:19] That's a good lifestyle then :) [15:21] Is Qt 4.7 expected for maverick? [15:21] persia: probably, Qt guys are coming to UDS so we can confirm then [15:22] Besides the one that does (I think) the most work on Qt packages is Lex [15:22] OK. Just bumped into a patch against 4.6.2 during Patch Day (bug #568402), and wasn't sure if it was worth trying to push it in, or wait for 4.7. [15:22] Launchpad bug 568402 in qt4-x11 "Qt displays half width character as full width in some Japanese fonts" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568402 [15:23] persia: Probably most important to see if it's upstream. [15:23] ScottK: It is: it's a backport of an upstream fix. [15:23] Ah. [15:23] Hmm [15:23] I can't see it [15:23] That makes it easier then [15:24] Yeah. The question is mostly whether it's worth making a debdiff out of the patch :) [15:24] persia: We have Qt packaging in bzr, so getting it into bzr for a potential later upload is possibly even better. [15:25] ScottK: You think it's worth fixing in 4.6.2 now, and then dropping if 4.7 lands then? [15:25] Anyone using Monospace? [15:26] It looks normal here. ゆきゅうの翼 [15:26] persia: if it's easy enough to put it into bzr then go ahead [15:28] Quintasan: I see those as full-width: are they supposed to be half-width? [15:28] hmm Droid font's look very good in KDE [15:28] persia: all of them are full width? [15:28] persia: I've no idea how significant this fix is. [15:29] ScottK: It can confuse Japanese users [15:29] Quintasan: Compare "hello" and "ｈｅｌｌｏ" [15:29] Riddell: When you are scheduling things for UDS, would you please put https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-maverick-next-lts-goals early in the week as I think it may affect some of the other discussions. [15:30] ScottK: I think not very: it's just a visual appearance thing (see above sample). [15:30] urgh let me explain though I have been learing Japanese for only one month :P [15:30] ScottK: should make that blueprint page point to the wiki [15:30] persia: some character must be half-width since they affect the reading [15:30] Which ones? [15:31] ゆ　- by itself is read as "yu [15:31] * persia sees random mixes of 全角 and 半角 daily [15:31] is there a wiki page that goes w/ the blueprint? [15:31] but when you add it after き(ki) [15:31] it changes to kyuu [15:31] shtylman: I didn't write a wiki page on that. Did someone lese? [15:32] ScottK: the wiki we had of brainstorming ideas? [15:32] persia: and the "yu" thingy should be half-width then :P [15:32] Quintasan: That's not 全角/半角 : that's the difference between ゆ and ゅ [15:32] shtylman: No. This is meant to be a higher level discussion. [15:32] It's about height, not width. [15:32] @_@ [15:32] ScottK: I see [15:32] Who is our target market and what big chunks of feature do we need to get there. [15:33] uhm [15:33] persia: I thought we are talking about width -_- [15:33] * Quintasan is silly [15:33] where is that brainstorming page anyway [15:34] Quintasan: Not silly: just starting to learn kana. It's confusing at first :) [15:34] persia: well, kana itself is not really hard :P [15:34] Anyway. Offtopic :) [15:35] ScottK: do you think I can include the 10.04 review as part of that session? [15:36] Riddell: I think that should probably get it's own session and come even earlier. [15:36] It's a great idea. [15:36] I'd like to see both those on the first day. [15:37] * Quintasan joins #ubuntu-jp as a reading practice [15:37] :O [15:45] nixternal: Would you please turn the powerpc box back on? === mcas is now known as marcus_irssi === mcas_quassel is now known as mcas [15:48] ScottK: powering up now [15:48] nixternal: Thanks. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:05] Quintasan: fixing bugs [16:05] Quintasan: or make your own application [16:05] big or small [16:05] apachelogger: fixing bugs, hmm, easier said than done but I'll try [16:06] Quintasan: ask in kde-devel if someone knows low hanging fruit [16:06] englishbreakfastnetwork also is a great resource for that kind of stuff [16:08] debfx: uploading kdebase-workspace_4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4 with fixed patch, well spotted [16:09] thanks [16:09] * Tm_T huggles debfx [16:11] * debfx hugs Tm_T back :) [16:20] oh my god, no please, no! [16:20] johonunu: ! Ubuntu !Quickly is soooo cool :) It is so easy to make ! python apps now :) [16:20] >python apps [16:20] apachelogger: ^ [16:23] Quintasan: hehe... he will eat you alive :P === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:23] its a frenzy in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :P [16:26] shadeslayer: sabdfl is going to love this session :P [16:26] * Quintasan is impressed by people increasing his log file size in such a small ammount of time [16:26] :P [16:27] hehe :D [16:27] 4.4.3 is out :D [16:32] * apachelogger loves how amarok likes to break constantly [16:33] apachelogger: you want kubuntu-maverick-patch-policy scheduled for UDS? [16:33] talking about overengineering ... I think U1 client will not be attached to a kded module but get dbusadaptors with associated marshal magic [16:33] Riddell: probably good to have this discussed [16:33] I'll try to bring up an initial proposal soonish [16:34] kdesvn r1123201 [16:35] apachelogger: git version? [16:35] git version? [16:35] apachelogger: git version of amarok? [16:36] you said that amarok breaks frequently... the git copy of amarok? [16:36] Quintasan: see, those are the poor souls who never used KDE for programming ;) [16:36] shadeslayer: if only [16:36] mine is labelled stable [16:36] not much stability here [16:36] hehe... [16:37] maybe one has to send cookies somewhere to get a key to unlock the stability [16:37] Tm_T: upgrades for me! [16:38] Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428373/ [16:39] apachelogger: are all the KDE updates through? [16:39] like.. are there breakages? or can we update [16:39] * apachelogger aint had no brekages [16:40] ok :) [16:45] best thing about the upgrade : After this operation, 129MB disk space will be freed. [16:46] wow, that's about one album [16:46] I never had this before with aptitude: No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] [16:48] should use safe-upgrade instead of full-upgrade I guess [16:48] That or just use apt. [16:48] IME the cases where aptitude can find a solution and apt can't, it's not one I want. [16:49] Sput: yep! [16:52] can you install and remove another package at the same time with apt-get? [16:52] Probably not, but in the cases apt-get can't solve it, I generally prefer to figure it out myself over aptitude removing half my system. [16:54] that googlegadet stuff is quite buggy alright [16:54] even manages to bring down plasma :( [16:56] yeah aptitude's full-upgrade is crazy sometimes, it wants to remove 91 packages instead of just holding a few upgrades back [16:59] apachelogger: Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_ui_files". <--- do you remember how to solve this? I'm trying to testbuild Inspektor from svn but it complains [16:59] debfx: ye, nuts [17:00] Quintasan: find_package(KDE4) [17:00] include(KDE4Defaults) [17:00] maybe you also need to include MacroLibrary, but I dont think that is necessary for kde4_add_ui_files() [17:01] * Quintasan just received wall of text [17:02] Quintasan: i did :-) [17:02] sabdfl: well done session, thanks (: [17:02] thanks Tm_T. phew. need to rest my fingers :-) [17:03] I can imagine (: [17:03] oh, music in the video [17:03] * apachelogger can make videos with music \\o/ [17:03] sabdfl: nice one :) [17:03] it was fun. great questions. [17:04] did the question of all questions come up? or is nixternal not allowed to ask questions anymore ^^ [17:06] apachelogger: elementText.replace(QRegExp("\n$"), ""); ->> policy says I should use QString::remove(). I would be elementText.remove( [17:06] argh === michaelk is now known as Guest98940 [17:06] !!! http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/plasma-with-gg.ogv !!! [17:06] elementText.remove('\n$')? [17:06] * Quintasan pats apachelogger [17:07] Riddell: I need ot add 3 lines and we can have googlegadget support [17:07] s/ot/to [17:07] but quite frankly it seems rather broken [17:07] apachelogger: awooga [17:07] apachelogger: don't start none, there won't be none. don't wanna get caught up in that stuff again, still facing consequences to this day over it [17:08] apachelogger: 1615 mails? [17:08] lol [17:08] I read ~300 yesterday :P [17:09] apachelogger: btw. how do you record with music from amarok? :D [17:09] * apachelogger has no idea [17:09] screencasting always was a bit beyond the scope of my interest ^^ [17:09] anyhow [17:09] that music is not from amarok? [17:09] apachelogger: bah.. who uses google gadgets> [17:10] Quintasan: what policy where you talking about [17:10] also that replace indeed looks dirty [17:10] apachelogger: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/krazy/reports/extragear/pim/ksig/index.html [17:10] apachelogger: point 6 [17:10] :P [17:10] Quintasan: I suppose you still need ot make it a QRegExp object [17:11] i.e. .remove(QRegExp(blahblah)); [17:11] elementText.remove(QRegExp("\n$")); [17:11] awsum [17:11] right [17:11] I hope it will kompike [17:11] kompile* [17:11] blargh [17:11] Quintasan: just QA that it works as expected at runtime ^^ [17:11] oh btw i need a mentor... i want to learn Qt in 6 weeks :P [17:11] anyone free? :D [17:11] shadeslayer: impossible [17:11] seriously [17:11] :P [17:11] Quintasan: what about basics? [17:12] * apachelogger is 200/hour [17:12] far from free that is [17:12] Quintasan: i have a bit of experience in C++ [17:12] shadeslayer: basics? http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/ [17:12] shadeslayer: Tutorials :P [17:12] Quintasan: i hate that site... [17:12] gives me nothing but headaches :P [17:12] oh my, next week is a workshop on android programming [17:13] shadeslayer: because [17:13] its TROLLtech [17:13] :P [17:13] Quintasan: is there a book? [17:13] shadeslayer: you should get a bit more of experience in C++ if Qt doc gives you a headache :S [17:13] (to learn Qt) [17:14] you do not really learn Qt, you apply it [17:14] hehe :) [17:14] the only things to learn is layouts and how to mess with signal/slots [17:14] what i basically know right now is that Qt is a set of libraries which can be used with C++ [17:14] apachelogger: that is so true about Qt [17:14] apachelogger: ain't that easy? [17:14] messing with slots is not so hard as it looks [17:15] you can question me right now on something, and I may not know the answer, but give me a few minutes, I will apply it to my answer :) [17:15] right [17:15] right**2 [17:15] i think i have finally mastered layouts, except for the spacer widgets [17:15] those still take some playing around with, so i try not to use those if i don't have to [17:15] right**2 === right [17:17] well lets see what can be done then :) [17:17] Oo [17:17] * ScottK makes a note of " messing with slots is not so hard as it looks" for later. [17:17] what is so difficult about spacers? [17:17] lol [17:17] imagine you have a panel and want to have stuff on the left and stuff on the right, but nothing in the middle -> youd use a space [17:17] qt spacers are just like that [17:17] apachelogger: variable =========== 5, problem? [17:18] you all need to learn ruby :P [17:18] %s/ruby/python [17:18] :3 [17:18] * apachelogger must forgive them mortals for not seeing the beauty [17:18] 1. Use python if you want a crashy app [17:19] 2. Use Ruby if you want it even slower [17:19] :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:19] I wonder what would happen if you have used both [17:19] Ultimate Weapon of Massive Headache? [17:20] apachelogger: well, my "patch" compiles successfully :P [17:20] time to test that [17:22] apachelogger: hmm how the hell I should determine when that function takes place when I'm running the app? [17:22] http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistviewitem.cpp#84 [17:22] Quintasan: ruby is only slow because the maintainers refuse to drop supid and ugly tk/tcl [17:23] s/ruby/ruby1.8 [17:23] hmm I think I get it [17:23] no one is using 1.8 ^^ [17:23] It is supposed to replace all newlines so new Signatures will be able to fit in one line [17:23] and I must say it works! [17:23] hm [17:23] you coudl port that Q3ListView while you are at it ^^ [17:23] apachelogger: don't tell me I'm wrong T_T [17:24] i.e. get rid of all the q3 shiz [17:24] @_@ [17:24] Quintasan: sounds like a small nice project to me :P [17:24] yeah [17:24] not many bugs and porting might be easy [17:27] apachelogger: K3ListViewItem(parent) [17:27] what about this? [17:28] where? [17:28] hmm [17:28] wait a second [17:29] apachelogger: http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistviewitem.cpp#77 [17:29] strange [17:29] omg tons of apps use it [17:29] well [17:30] http://lxr.kde.org/source/extragear/pim/ksig/siglistview.h [17:30] it would appear that it implementsa K3ListView ;) [17:32] So are we still missing some packages such as kdelibs5-data 4.4.3a in the Kubuntu PPA? [17:33] I'm updating my desktop from ninjas just to get it up and running again [17:41] Riddell, Trouble: kdebase-workspace FTBFS [17:42] :-s Thanks Quintasan. I'm up and running again with 4.4.3 on my amd64 desktop now I've updated from ninjas === Trouble is now known as Trouble__ === Trouble_ is now known as Trouble [17:55] Quintasan: archive skew, needs to wait for kdelibs to compile on i386 [17:55] oh [18:06] 4.4.3 released [18:16] it is upon us [18:16] backports? [18:18] shtylman: updates [18:18] JontheEchidna: did you pass? [18:18] shtylman: i386 seems not to be ready [18:18] Yes, I am almost certain I did. I won't know for sure for a little bit though [18:19] almost certain congratulations [18:19] JontheEchidna: what did you almost certain pass? [18:20] Physics 1, English Composition [18:21] * JontheEchidna wishes maverick would open up so that #ubuntu+1 would no longer redirect him to #ubuntu [18:22] congratulations before knowing the result bring ill luck, so I'll wait a bit :) [18:23] ;) [18:25] Riddell: For the 30 euro allowance, is that done as reimbursements? [18:26] Just trying to figure out how many euros I need to get [18:27]