[00:00] <CartoonCat> this is lovely
[00:01] <CartoonCat> lucid, recovery mode, hardlocked with init ureadahead error-other
[00:01] <CartoonCat> seams that ntfs3g isnt a part of the kernel ?!
[00:36] <digitxp> What are the differences between Kubuntu and Kubuntu Netbook (beyond the netbook launcher)?
[00:38] <chx> I just upped to lucid and with every notification a 'recent notification' window also pops up . annoying. how can i make it go away?
[00:47] <terry_> After upgrading to the latest kubuntu release, my ability to send screen ouput to another VGA device is lost. Pressing Fn+F8 does nothing. Any ideas?
[00:49] <kristi> hello
[00:49] <kristi> i have a problem
[00:49] <kristi> with my kubuntu
[00:49] <terry_> Me too
[00:53] <terry_> After upgrading to 10.04 LTS, I am unable to send screen output through the VGA port to another device. Any ideas?
[00:55] <BluesKaj> terry_, which graphics card?
[00:57] <terry_> nvidia
[00:59] <BluesKaj> terry_, you may need to upgrade the driver
[01:00] <terry_> How can I tell which driver I have?
[01:06] <caprea> my system is not detected my second monitor, how can I check what drivers its using?
[01:29] <chx> my mouse went crazy since i updated to lucid :(
[01:39] <chx> my pointer moves
[01:39] <chx> but it does not click:(
[01:41] <Viking667> Is there any way of running a Gnome panel applet on a KDE4 panel?
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> The two are too different, so it cannot be done. Which applet are you thinking of, though? It's possible that there's a Plasma widget that accomplishes the same thing
[01:42] <Viking667> gcdemu
[01:42] <Viking667> nothing came up in a simple apt-cache search
[01:43] <Viking667> (nothing KDE-related, anyhow)
[01:45] <Viking667> and gcdemu is a front end for the cdemu binary from "cdemu-client"; and shows status of loaded CDs, and allows loading of CD images. (open, find, select)
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there's a panel applet for that, per se. Maybe something like acetoneiso would be a suitable KDE replacement?
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> (I've not used it, but I know it does iso mounting)
[01:48] <Viking667> hmmmm.
[01:49] <Viking667> might be an option. I just hope it's as light as cdemu
[01:49] <Viking667> That's one thing I have to say for gnome, for me at least it just seems to "fit" together well, and seems lower loading than KDE.
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[01:49] <JontheEchidna> As long as acetone can get things mounted like a real device, you'd probably be able to control mounting/ejecting from the existing KDE device notifier in the system tray
[01:50] <Viking667> mmm. Does it handle multi-session?
[01:50] <Viking667> err, sorry, mixed-mode CDs?
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> The device notifier? I'd doubt it. Mainly, it handles notification of newly-plugged removable devices, and offers unmount/eject actions for these
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> as well as options for opening the devices
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> Good luck, anyways. I have a show to catch. ;)
[02:11] <jimmy51> hello, i just followed the instructions to install 64 bit flash.  it plays video but no sound. whats up with that?
[03:14] <bkl271> have there been any bug fixes since the day of the lucid lynx release? upon running "sudo aptitude update" i've gotten a grand total of one update since last thursday
[03:28] <jimmy51> umm, no comments in over an hour?
[03:28] <jimmy51> is something wrong with my 10.04 IRC client? :)
[03:28] <darkdelusions> that how the kunutu channel rolls :)
[03:29] <zus> jimmy51,  i just pretty much logged in tonight
[03:29] <jimmy51> must not be any bugs in 10.04.
[03:29] <jimmy51> either that, or they're so serious no one can connect to irc
[03:29] <zus> nno i've been in and out all day in irc
[03:29] <darkdelusions> I am trying to decide now when I put my linux drive back in my laptop if i wanna install ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:30] <jimmy51> darkdelusions: Kubuntu
[03:30] <jimmy51> then again, i'm in #kubuntu so i might be biased
[03:30] <darkdelusions> jimmy51 it my flavor of choice tbh
[03:30] <zus> darkdelusions,  im thinking on  at least installing ubuntu-desktop as well though
[03:31] <darkdelusions> I am not sure if i wanna go threw the hassel thou of trying to configure mumbler (linux vent client) to use alsa instead of pluse
[03:31] <darkdelusions> I just really dislike the gnome interface
[03:32] <jimmy51> me too
[03:32] <jimmy51> can't beat kde4
[03:32] <jimmy51> !flash
[03:32] <darkdelusions> See I didnt like kde 5 at first
[03:32] <darkdelusions> err
[03:32] <darkdelusions> 4
[03:33] <darkdelusions> then it grew on me
[03:33] <darkdelusions> have you guys updated to 10.4 yet? and other then grub issue have you guy run to alot of issues?
[03:35] <jimmy51> i didn't like the first version, but my complaints were pretty much fixed by the time 9.10 came out
[03:36] <jimmy51> i updated to 10.04 from 9.10 and everything worked except for my 3d drivers.
[03:36] <jimmy51> i was running a self compiled version of the nvidia driver and it wrecked things pretty bad
[03:36] <darkdelusions> i dont really every upgrade I generally just wipe my root parition and reinstall
[03:36] <jimmy51> that's what i ended up doing
[03:37] <darkdelusions> everytime i have attempted to upgrade horrable things have happened
[03:37] <jimmy51> i had been upgrading since 6.10 ot 7.04 (i don't remember) and decided it was time for a fresh install
[03:37] <jimmy51> hehe
[03:37] <jimmy51> fresh is better, if you can deal with it
[03:37] <darkdelusions> its not that big of a deal
[03:37] <jimmy51> my wife just came in with the baby, time to go
[03:37] <jimmy51> good luck with kubuntu on the laptop
[03:37] <darkdelusions> later jim
[03:38] <darkdelusions> I see some of my issues got fixed in 10.4 which is nice
[03:38] <darkdelusions> like jack sensing for my motherboard
[03:38] <darkdelusions> and the asus light sensor issue
[03:41] <xrfang> my newly installed kubuntu10.04 will occasionally auto-logoff, even auto shutdown, how can I check what is the problem (i.e. what log file shall I check)? thanks
[03:59] <zus> ktorrent interface changed a bit
[04:05] <njathan> i am currently running kubuntu 9.04. I have downloaded the 10.04 disk, and want to upgrade my system... any pointers on how to do this?
[04:05] <dolomite> njathan: you have the live cd?
[04:05] <njathan> dolomite: i have both live and alternate CD
[04:06] <dolomite> use the alternate cd
[04:07] <njathan> dolomite: ok... and change the apt repos?
[04:07] <njathan> dolomite: right now my system only gives me the option to upgrade to 9.10
[04:08] <bazhang> njathan, you have to go to that first
[04:08] <dolomite> njathan https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[04:08] <bazhang> unless you wish to fresh install that is, or have a separate home partition
[04:09] <naruto> brasil?
[04:09] <bazhang> !br
[04:10] <dolomite> njathan, can I interest you in a fresh install?
[04:10] <cjae> can I lower nepomuk aggressiveness?
[04:10] <dolomite> cjae: you can disable it
[04:11] <cjae> thats it
[04:11] <dolomite> cjae: all available settings are in system settings>advanced tab>desktop indexing
[04:11] <njathan> dolomite: bazhang: i have a seperate home & var partitions, but would still like to keep a fresh install as the last option..
[04:12] <cjae> needs a startup icon so I can start and stop from there
[04:12] <dolomite> njathan: you'll need to upgrade to 9.10 first. then you can follow my link up there.
[04:12] <dolomite> cjae: I think you can from the tray icon for strigi
[04:13] <dolomite> I'm not on my kubuntu machine right now; can't check
[04:14] <cjae> anyone else know how to get strigi startup icon
[04:14] <njathan> dolomite: but 9.10 does not work on my laptop :-( i had to downgrade & reinstall 9.04 last time i tried 9.10
[04:14] <dolomite> njathan: will it work long enough to run the installer for 10.04?
[04:15] <cjae> dolomite: thanks btw
[04:16] <dolomite> cjae: have fun
[04:16] <njathan> dolomite: if the system requires a reboot after upgrading to 9.10, then i'll never get to even the command line
[04:18] <cjae> Anyone else having firefox use a bunch of resources when not even open
[04:18] <cjae> possibly after last closing it
[04:19] <dolomite> njathan: have you looked at the link I sent you? the more I research, the less confident I am that you can't upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04
[04:19] <dolomite> cjae: you've closed the browser and it's using up resources?
[04:20] <njathan> dolomite: i am looking at it... trying a hand at 'mount -o loop alternate-cd' to try out stuff
[04:21] <cjae> well I just assumed it was strigi indexing but I have been away from this box for awhile and  after I stopped strigi it was still happening and a check of system monitor showed firefox using 45% of cpu
[04:21] <dolomite> njathan: I say you just give the upgrade a shot. I think if it worked from 9.10 it'll work for 9.04
[04:21] <cjae> but no open instances of firefox running
[04:22] <dolomite> cjae: weird. if you kill the process then open and close firefox, does it happen again?
[04:22] <dolomite> in other words, is it consistently doing this?
[04:22] <cjae> dolomite: havent got there yet, was just pondering possibilities first
[04:23] <dolomite> ok. I haven't heard of that happening
[04:25] <njathan> Can someone confirm if upgrading kubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 requires a system reboot?
[04:26]  * cjae really wishes konqueror was more compatible
[04:27] <lucitu> njathan: yes of course..what kde version you have in 9.04?
[04:27] <njathan> lucitu: 4.2.2
[04:29] <lucitu> njathan: ok..good.  but suggest you do it in recovery mode because it will kill the X server and my experience is there is no way to get it back
[04:30] <dolomite> lucitu: njathan is wondering whether or not he can upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04. it's possible isn't it?
[04:31] <cjae> dolomite: wondering if it was something to do with strigi and firefox?
[04:31] <lucitu> dolomite: njathan: it's possible but you may have to do some light lifting..:)  i think you may have to upgrade first the libc6 and/or the util-linux?
[04:31] <dolomite> cjae: you know what strigi is right? I'm not sure it would conflict the way you're reporting
[04:32] <dolomite> lucitu: njathan: my suggestion was to upgrade first to 9.10 then to 10.04 but apparently 9.04 breaks njathan's laptop
[04:32] <njathan> dolomite: correction... 9.10 breaks it
[04:32] <dolomite> is anyone familiar with this XChat program? how can I get the autofill with the tab key to work?
[04:33] <dolomite> njathan: noted. sorry.
[04:33] <lucitu> njathan: my take is a fresh install for 10.04..save your data and/or home if separate
[04:34] <mawst> Can someone explain to me (as a new KDE user) the purpose of those buttons in the upper right and left corners, and can I rid my screen of them?
[04:35] <dolomite> njathan: you mentioned earlier that clean install is a last resort; any reason why if you already have separate partitions?
[04:35] <dolomite> mawst: those are part of your plasma desktop. try adding some widgets. kde 4 is for fun!
[04:36] <cjae> dolomite: yes I know what strigi is, I am saying there might be a conflict between programs
[04:37] <dolomite> cjae: you could run firefox from a terminal and, when you close it, see why the process would linger
[04:37] <cjae> dolomite: plus I think this is a serious issue since a look at kern.log shows my cpu at very high temp, what if I had not woke up and noticed
[04:38] <ArkoldThos_> what was that browser based on Konqueror that is faster and nice?
[04:38] <njathan> dolomite: the concerns are not really major ones... except i have to fight to get the wireless working again.. (i had a nightmare to get it working in 9.04)
[04:38] <lucitu> ArkoldThos_: rekonq?
[04:38] <ArkoldThos_> lucitu, thanks :D
[04:38] <dolomite> cjae: I'd recommend doing some googling or asking around here.
[04:38] <lucitu> ArkoldThos_: np
[04:39] <dolomite> njathan: nightmare with wireless is guaranteed in 10.04 but there's plenty of documentation!
[04:40] <jayq330> anyone know how i can watch divx vid's on chrome?
[04:40] <darkdelusion> did they ever change kubuntu to use pluse audio or no?
[04:41] <jayq330> kmixer
[04:41] <njathan> dolomite: yeah.. i kinda experienced it in the 10.04 live CD.. the 'nightmare' part i mean :-p
[04:42] <dolomite> njathan: it's always hit-or-miss. I wouldn't let it hold you back from the upgrade.
[04:44] <njathan> dolomite: hmm... alright then... going for the upgrade right now.... see you on a 10.04 :-)
[04:44] <dolomite> njathan: have fun! let us try to help you if you need it.
[04:44] <njathan> dolomite: thanks!
[04:49] <dolomite> is anyone using xchat as their irc client?
[04:49] <bootstrap> dolomite: yes
[04:50] <dolomite> usually I'm on my kubuntu machine so I'm not using xchat. how can I enable that nifty "autofill with TAB" feature?
[04:51] <dolomite> (autofill usernames)
[04:54] <dolomite> bootstrap: the setting in preferences didn't do the trick so that's why I'm asking
[04:54] <bootstrap> um, I'm confused, are you on xchat now?
[04:54] <dolomite> yep
[04:55] <bootstrap> doleyb:
[04:55] <bootstrap> it is working for me
[04:55] <bootstrap> by default,
[04:55] <dolomite> you enabled it in the preferences?
[04:55] <bootstrap> i don't use it, but it is on, let me look
[04:56] <dolomite> bootstrap: nevermind, it does work; it's just less user friendly than my irc client in kubuntu
[04:56] <bootstrap> it shouldn't be, what are you on
[04:57] <dolomite> crunchbang. it requires that I begin typing the name and then it'll consider auto-completing
[04:58] <bootstrap> yeah, that is what I have always experienced with it
[04:58] <marcel> hallo spricht hier jemand deutsch
[04:58] <bazhang> !de
[04:59] <bootstrap> ex: if i just hit 'b' then tab, i will get a list of all the 'b' usernames
[04:59] <wllkmbll> What is the command to take a program you opened through terminal and make it independant so you can close terminal without closing the terminal?
[04:59] <wllkmbll> the program*
[04:59] <dolomite> bootstrap: not a major issue but in kubuntu, the default IRC client will just cycle through last-used names
[04:59] <dolomite> wllkmbl
[05:00] <dolomite> wllkmbll: try running the program from alt+f2 instead
[05:00] <wllkmbll> I can't, it's vncviewer, and it needs terminal input for the server and password first.
[05:01] <dolomite> wllkmbll: so if you run it independently of the terminal, you can't input server/pass?
[05:01] <wllkmbll> I type it in alt-f2, but when I press enter nothing happens.
[05:02] <wllkmbll> nvm, it worked this time for some reason
[05:02] <wllkmbll> thanks
[05:02] <dolomite> ;)
[05:20] <cjae> Anyone else running 10.04 so that you can open firefox and see if killall firefox works in terminal
[05:21] <cjae> mine says no process found when it is clearly open
[05:21] <Viking667> look for firefox-bin
[05:21] <dolomite> cjae: perform ps -u <your user name>
[05:21] <dolomite> cjae: then kill the PID
[05:22] <cjae> dolomite: Viking667 thanks
[05:23] <dolomite> yes sir/ma'am
[05:24] <Viking667> How do I find what package a particular (old) library file is in?
[05:25] <Viking667> I tried "apt-cache search libgtk-1.2.so" but got nothing back.
[05:25] <dolomite> have you tried just searching in kpackagekit?
[05:25] <Viking667> I'm not actually on the machine in question, I'm trying to do this through ssh.
[05:26] <dolomite> using apt-cache searches for the package not the file
[05:26] <Viking667> And I've never even seen kpackagekit
[05:26] <Viking667> yeah, so I figured.
[05:26] <Viking667> heh. Now someone has woken up over in #ubuntu
[05:26] <dolomite> by kpackagekit, I just mean your package manager
[05:27] <Viking667> *blink* *blink*
[05:27] <dolomite> Viking667: oh, yeah. don't bug us
[05:27] <Viking667> Right. It was a generic question that could have applied to either kubuntu or ubuntu
[05:27] <Viking667> I'll try that. Thanks.
[05:29] <dolomite_> haha, I didn't help you. but you're welcome
[05:31] <Viking667> dolomite_: actually, you did, sorta. I should have checked synaptic or aptitude first.
[05:32] <dolomite_> Viking667: always worth a shot!
[05:36] <Viking667> hm. AS it was, synaptic turned up nothing.
[05:36] <Viking667> sigh
[05:37] <dolomite_> Viking667: what about aptitude show <that file minus the .so>
[05:38] <Viking667> nup. "Unable to show ..."
[05:39] <dolomite_> Viking667: so you're just trying to upgrade or reinstall an existing lib file?
[05:39] <Viking667> no?
[05:39] <Viking667> I'm trying to _install_ it.
[05:39] <Viking667> but it doesn't seem to be referred to by Ubuntu repositories any more...
[05:40] <dolomite_> what is it
[05:40] <Viking667> at least, lucid doesn't show it, and I suspect that even karmic didn't.
[05:40] <Viking667> Already mentioned it... libgtk-1.2.so
[05:40] <maco> hang on a second
[05:40] <Viking667> come to think of it, if that binary wants libgtk-1.2, no doubt it'll want other stuff of that era.
[05:41] <Viking667> maco: what to?
[05:41] <Viking667> AIEEEEEEEE... *splat*
[05:42] <maco> i was doing a file search on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:42] <maco> yeah libgtk-1.2.so doesnt exist as far as the package query site knows even as far back as dapper
[05:43] <dolomite_> I'm seeing it for gutsy
[05:43] <Viking667> hmm?
[05:43] <dolomite_> haha; are you trying to run a game Viking667?
[05:43] <maco> dolomite_: in what package?
[05:43] <Viking667> in which repo? Can't be in main any more.
[05:43] <maco> oh wait gutsy is gone
[05:43] <Viking667> dolomite_: sorta. It's a game emulator.
[05:44] <Viking667> ePSXe
[05:44] <dolomite_> gutsy is long gone, dudes
[05:44] <Viking667> yeah. Gutsy died an honourable ...
[05:44] <Viking667> well, it's gone.
[05:44] <Viking667> so's Hoary, has'nt it?
[05:44] <maco> dapper doesnt have it and neither does hardy. didnt expect it to appear post-dapper and be gone so soon
[05:44] <Viking667> or is that the next one to get the gun?
[05:44] <maco> hoary was in 2005
[05:45] <Viking667> sorry, meant hardy.
[05:45] <Viking667> I forgot there'd been a Hoary way way back in the past
[05:45] <Viking667> Given I started with Hoary...
[05:45] <dolomite_> Viking667: I think this might help you
[05:45] <Viking667> mmmyes?
[05:45] <maco> the next one to go eol will be jaunty
[05:46] <Viking667> Is Intrepid one of those LTS versions?
[05:46] <maco> no, hardy was
[05:46] <maco> intrepid went eol last week
[05:46] <Viking667> ah.
[05:46] <dolomite_> Viking667: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1341472&highlight=libgtk-1.2
[05:46] <maco> but hardy wasnt lts for kubuntu
[05:46] <maco> just for ubuntu&server
[05:46] <dolomite_> Viking667: it's for 9.10 but it could help ya
[05:47] <Viking667> *nod*
[05:47] <Viking667> I just need for ubuntu
[05:47] <dolomite_> for ubuntu?
[05:48] <Viking667> would be useful to remember for my wife's kubuntu machine too, if I come across some games that still want libgtk-1.2
[05:49] <Viking667> hmmm... actually.... I just realised.
[05:49] <dolomite_> Viking667: it's the same stuff
[05:51] <Viking667> ooooooo lookie what I found on her machine... lol.
[05:51] <dolomite_> no need to get X-rated
[05:51] <Viking667> Seems I copied over libraries from my Mandriva install... they seem to have worked for her.
[05:52] <Viking667> I'll slurp them over here... I could use them.
[05:53] <dolomite_> Viking667: with this espxe, you can just put the playstation game into your disk drive?
[05:55] <Viking667> don't know. I've used cdrdao to copy it on, including the subchannel
[05:55] <Viking667> seems to work in pcsx, but gets only so far.
[06:03] <lyhana8> hi, is there a ralink IRC channel somewhere ?
[06:03] <lyhana8> I can't get my rt2870 to work on lucid :S
[06:05] <Viking667> time I went and tried something else, I guess.
[06:08] <dolomite_> !ralink
[06:08] <dolomite_> !ralink | lyhana8
[06:12] <lyhana8> dolomite_: nothing about the ralink rt2870
[06:13] <lyhana8> dolomite_: it doesn't show up in `ifconfig`
[06:14] <dolomite_> lyhana8: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=960642
[06:15] <dolomite_> lyhana8: is it USB? this could help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=960642
[06:15] <lyhana8> yep it's USB
[06:18] <CartoonCat> anyone able to help with some dri2 issues ?
[06:19] <lyhana8> dolomite_: can you resend the links, my laptop crashed~
[06:27] <CartoonCat> better yet, is there a way to just go back to 9, upgrading to 10.04 was a bad idea
[06:30] <Captain_Haddock> anyone know how to remove the weird design from the bottom panel's background?
[06:43] <lyhana8> my wireless card doesn't show up
[06:44] <lyhana8> it's a ralink rt2870
[06:44] <Captain_Haddock> lyhana8: check in "Hardware drivers" from the K-menu
[06:45] <lyhana8> Captain_Haddock: XD I did that
[06:46] <lyhana8> `lshw -C network` show only my wired card. But when I do a `lsusb` I found the chip
[06:49] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: do you have the modules for it?
[06:49] <lyhana8> here is the output of lsusb for my wireless card : http://pastebin.com/KFSU9tAH
[06:50] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: nop, how do I add it ? and which one I should use rt2870usb or rt2870sta ?
[06:50] <frogonwheels> try   sudo modprobe rt2870usb
[06:50] <lyhana8> none of them seem to load
[06:51] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: I found this thread : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9236718
[06:53] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: what am I supposed to do/see after adding the module ?
[06:54] <frogonwheels> iwconfig  and see if it's there
[06:55] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: did you try the lsmod|grep rt  thing?
[06:55] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: I've had realtecs for a while.  I used to have to download the module source and compile it - at least things have improved since then.
[06:55] <lyhana8> yep, the module is present now, but what next ? Is it supposed to enable my card ?
[06:56] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: did iwconfig  reveal anything?
[06:56] <lyhana8> yep, the wireless card is missing~
[06:57] <lyhana8> do I need to restart after the `modprobe rt2870sta` ?
[06:57] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: no
[06:57] <frogonwheels> lyhana8:  cat /proc/net/dev   to see if there's really no device
[06:58] <frogonwheels> looking for a wlan*  most likely
[06:58] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: eth0, lo, no wlan0 or ra0
[06:59] <frogonwheels> anything in   tail /var/log/kern.log   that's related?
[07:02] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: hmm.. did you try the *usb driver?
[07:03] <lyhana8> I tried rt2870sta, rt2800usb, rt2x00usb
[07:04] <frogonwheels> and nothing in the kern.log?
[07:04] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: my kern.log : http://pastebin.com/JJxapTGQ
[07:05] <CartoonCat> lyhana8: does iwconfig now see a interface ?
[07:06] <lyhana8> CartoonCat: nop, none of the 3 module I tried show anything
[07:06] <lyhana8> I got this card working on the beta2 with ndiswrapper but only on open network
[07:06] <frogonwheels> sorry lyhana8, I'm out of ideas for the time being.
[07:07] <CartoonCat> lyhana8: this a laptop or desktop?
[07:07] <lyhana8> CartoonCat: laptop, the chip is a ralink2870 I think i go through a MSI connector
[07:08] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: I had a look at the log. seems to coroborate your story, that none of those drivers are discovering a device
[07:08] <lyhana8> frogonwheels: CartoonCat http://pastebin.com/KFSU9tAH
[07:09] <frogonwheels> http://web.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html maybe?
[07:10] <CartoonCat> lyhana8: if I were you, I would get a atheros setup (i replace <everything> with atheros cards)
[07:10] <frogonwheels> lyhana8: just maybe not a ath9k one - ie not a wireless N.
[07:11] <sidHart> any idea 4.4.3 when?
[07:12] <CartoonCat> yes jsut not N
[07:14] <frogonwheels> ath9k wireless N is on the way - but at the moment OpenWRT uses bleeding edge, and it works until it crashes, or reboots the machine
[07:14] <frogonwheels> .. ubuntu doesn't even work.
[07:15] <CartoonCat> whats beyond bleeding edge? thats where ath 11n support is at
[07:15] <frogonwheels> ... well it's up to being bleeding edge now.
[07:15] <CartoonCat> well, in ath9k. Ive got plenty of 11n radios chuging along
[07:16] <CartoonCat> oh nice nice, that is marked improve ment
[07:16] <frogonwheels> .. just not in ubuntu yet. and probably rightly so.
[07:16] <CartoonCat> ive not bothered with linux + 11n for 6 months heheh
[07:16] <frogonwheels> I've actually got another build ready to try now  on openwrt :)
[07:16] <lyhana8> CartoonCat: frogonwheels this is my model, and it seem it can have 3 different wlan chip : http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=nbdriver&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1991
[07:17] <frogonwheels> gotta love those loose specs.
[07:17] <CartoonCat> frogonwheels: mines a bit dated (re 6mo)
[07:17] <frogonwheels> mine's probably from last week.
[07:17] <lyhana8> CartoonCat: frogonwheels mine is "msi Wireless Lan_3870 / 3871"
[07:18] <lyhana8> but how I am supposed to choose a pc when the spec are hide and even behind constructor codename~
[07:19] <CartoonCat> lyhana8: your pretty much stuck with ndis wrapper with that card for now
[07:19] <CartoonCat> lyhana8: well, it takes lots of research to make sure of the hardware you get
[07:21] <CartoonCat> mmm, must find ps3N promo codes
[07:23] <wulfric> noob needs help!!!
[07:24] <lyhana8> wulfric: noob need explications !!! XD
[07:24] <lyhana8> wulfric: explain your problem
[07:24] <wulfric> ntfs volumes ask for password everytime i boot
[07:25] <wulfric> amarok loses touch of local collection which is on ntfs volume
[07:25] <frogonwheels> .. then type it in... probablem solved :P
[07:25] <wulfric> need to rescan collection everytime
[07:26] <wulfric> @frogon ha ha noob not nuts
[07:27] <frogonwheels> wulfric: type full names (use <tab> autocomplete) so it will be marked in the irc client.
[07:27] <wulfric> sorry
[07:27] <frogonwheels> wulfric: also, put your question on one line where you can :)
[07:27] <wulfric> ok
[07:28] <frogonwheels> wulfric: did you try   -o username=<blah>,password=<blah>
[07:29] <wulfric> where?
[07:29] <frogonwheels> wulfric: is the volume in your fstab?
[07:29] <wulfric> yes
[07:29] <frogonwheels> ok, there's a column for options - try putting them in there.
[07:33] <sidHart> is 4.43 will be on the backports?
[07:33] <sidHart> *4.4.3
[07:34] <wulfric> @frogonwheels not on fstab its a different hard disk so automounted
[07:36] <lyhana8> sidHart: what is the launchpad page for the backport ?
[07:36] <sidHart> lyhana8: ?
[07:37] <lyhana8> there is a launchpad ppa for KDE
[07:37] <sidHart> lyhana8: ok..will check
[07:39] <sidHart> lyhana8: nothing there
[07:40] <sidHart> lyhana8: am curious bec just installed debian sid 4.4.3 and it's very quick..like to compare with kubuntu
[07:42] <sidHart> significantly faster than 4.4.2 kubuntu
[07:42] <smokealot> have you tried lenny ?
[07:42] <sidHart> smokealot: lenny what?  :)
[07:43] <lyhana8> sidHart: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[07:43] <smokealot> Debian lenny ?
[07:44] <sidHart> lyhana8:  thanks much..that's what i'm looking for.
[07:46] <sidHart> smokealot: nope..using Debian sid..why lenny when you can get squeeze?
[07:46] <speedvin_> :D
[07:46] <smokealot> squeeze is not ready
[07:46] <smokealot> to many bugs
[07:47] <smokealot> i tried installin it it was going on 5 hours and running and i went back to lenny
[07:47] <smokealot> would not install at all
[07:53] <speedvin_> hmm
[07:54] <speedvin_> I like sid more than testing :D
[07:54] <speedvin_> Bleeding-Edge :D
[09:14] <Bucky> hi. in system settings>desktop>general which is the second voice?
[09:14] <Bucky> something like "the composition is/is not enabled"...
[09:16] <Bucky> every time i reboot i find this disabled by another application, but the system don't tell me which...
[10:25] <noaXess> what about this cpu for ubuntu-serv.. no problem right? Intel Xeon W3540: QuadCore
[10:28] <zita> hello, i have skipe soundworking, but no sound whencall,taiped aplay -l it says card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC262 Analog [ALC262 Analog]
[10:28] <zita>   Subdevices: 1/1
[10:28] <zita>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:28] <zita> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
[10:28] <zita>   Subdevices: 1/1
[10:28] <FloodBotK1> zita: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:28] <zita> Is the problem that my second sound card is a modem, it is a problem, if it is so hot so solvo(no chance to disable it in bios)
[10:40] <zita> hello i have sound problem
[10:40] <zita> cannot tipe to much becoause ige kicket from flooding
[10:41] <zita> if i tipe aplay- l
[10:41] <zita> i get that i have two soundcards and one of themis a modem
[11:05] <buckfast> How can I set kubuntu to use eth0 for browsing the net and eth1 to connect to a private network?
[11:14] <CartoonCat> buckfast: do not let eth1 set a default gw
[11:15] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.4.3 https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[11:17] <justus> hi
[11:17] <justus> how can I create a workspace on a black screen?
[11:47] <n8w> hey
[11:48] <n8w> how do i show full name of a process by using the command?
[11:50] <rork> n8w: `ps aux` will show you a list of running processes
[11:51] <speedvin> rork: top is good for this too ;)
[11:51] <n8w> rork:  ye ive tried it,but its not exactly what im lookin for
[11:52] <nikhil_> assitance required, please....http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9239913 wireless mouse
[11:52] <n8w> rork:  i need to monitor processes belongin to db2 in the same way as "top" does
[11:53] <n8w> right now,im playin around with iotop,top,iostat
[11:53] <n8w> but i cant get it to do what i need:)
[11:53] <n8w> for instance, i need to know how much cpu all processes belongin to db2 take...
[11:53] <speedvin> n8w: tru htop
[11:53] <speedvin> try*
[11:54] <n8w> ive got like 10 processes named db2sysc(with different pid)...i need to collect stats for all of them as if it was just oone process
[11:54] <n8w> i dunno if im expresin myself clear enough:))
[11:55] <speedvin> ok
[11:55] <speedvin> you want to kill them all?
[11:56] <n8w> speedvin:  no, not at all...i need to find out how much cpu n possibly IO those take in my system
[11:57] <n8w> wow that "htop" looks super fine:)
[11:57] <speedvin> hmm
[11:57] <speedvin> and it's very configurable
[11:58] <n8w> speedvin:  i basicaly need to b able to say how much resources the db2 takes from my system....
[11:59] <n8w> speedvin:  thx for the htop...ill go through it
[12:03] <fbxxkl> Anyone know how to copy an encrypted dvd with k3b? Its a 200$ dvd that I do not want to lose to scratches when I travel with it
[12:22] <jwc44> hi
[12:22] <speedvin> hi
[12:22] <jwc44> 10.04 Kubuntu you are using Lucid. After installing the graphics driver had to reboot after installing.
[12:23] <jwc44> 그런데 부팅로고가 깨진다
[12:23] <jwc44> But a broken boot logo
[12:24] <bazhang> !ko
[12:24] <jwc44> Nvida 8600 GTS graphics card
[12:25] <speedvin> that's normal after installing proporietary drivers
[12:25] <speedvin> try updating your system and set framebuffer
[12:31] <SandGorgon> bug417757
[12:31] <speedvin> :D
[12:33] <robwlo531> Hi, I just wanted to ask if I should file a bug for Nepomuk +virtuoso consuming 60% CPU resources on a dual core CPU? I had to deactivate it yesterday as it was really going crazy.
[12:35] <speedvin> you deacivated nepomuk/
[12:35] <speedvin> ?
[12:35] <robwlo531> speedvin: yes
[12:35] <speedvin> :D
[12:36] <speedvin> how do you do that?
[12:36] <n8w> here i go again:))
[12:36] <otswim> hi, i have no sound since upgrade to 10.04, but when doing speaker-test, the output is normal (even though there is no sound)
[12:36] <speedvin> otswim: are you using alsa outputin your player?
[12:37] <n8w> im using bash scripts for running several files in a loop...but how do i define that i wanna run two files at the same time?
[12:37] <robwlo531> in the system settings there's a tab, probably "advanced" in english, there is an option for "desktop search"
[12:37] <speedvin> n8w: any progress?
[12:37] <otswim> speedvin: i don't know; but i have sound nowhere
[12:37] <robwlo531> what is nepomuk good for anyways?
[12:37] <n8w> speedvin:  man,that htop is amazing....
[12:37] <speedvin> try reinstalling alsa
[12:37] <streamtype> what is a good commandline tool to monitor internet traffic?
[12:38] <streamtype> I mean to collect statistics. Not a monitor like tcpdump of tshark.
[12:39] <n8w> im using bash scripts for running several files in a loop...but how do i define that i wanna run two files at the same time?
[12:39] <speedvin> stramtype: ncmap
[12:39] <speedvin> n8w: Great to hear...
[12:42] <streamtype> Thanks I will check ncmap. Thanks for the tip
[12:42] <speedvin> no problem
[12:43] <jwc44> Do you use Kubuntu on ubuntu-tweak?
[12:44] <speedvin> You mean ubuntu-tweak on Kubuntu
[12:44] <speedvin> if yes then I don't
[12:45] <jwc44> Does not use?
[12:45] <speedvin> I don't use it
[12:46] <jwc44> Try to change the boot logo is because.
[12:46] <n8w> how to i run commands in a bash scrip simultaneously instead of sequentially ?
[12:47] <moetunes> n8w: I don't think you can but best to ask in #bash
[12:48] <Torch> n8w: suffix them with a &
[12:48] <speedvin> n8w use &&
[12:49] <speedvin> :D
[12:49] <Torch> n8w: that will execute only if the previous command succeeded, not what he wants
[12:49] <Torch> s,n8w,speedvin,
[12:49] <n8w> Torch:  yep thats what im using the & operator....but i wasnt sure that it does the job
[12:50] <n8w> speedvin:  ru sure about that?
[12:50] <moetunes> & runs the first command and continues - not simultaneously tho
[12:50] <kebomix> hello , there is no voice from vlc in Kubuntu 10.04 , other programs works fine ! , any solution ?
[12:51] <n8w> speedvin, moetunes : good point guys...im gonna test it
[12:51] <speedvin> kebomix: Change the audio output in vlc
[12:51] <speedvin> to alsa
[12:52] <kebomix> speedvin: i did but still no voice !
[12:52] <speedvin> hmm try reinstalling vlc and alsa
[12:53] <kebomix> how to reinstall alsa ?
[12:54] <n8w> speedvin, moetunes : well its difficult to say:))i guess that ur rite....
[12:54] <kebomix> apt-get install alsa ?
[12:54] <moetunes> n8w: try in #bash
[12:55] <n8w> moetunes:  yep:)
[12:55] <kebomix> still not working :(
[12:56] <moetunes> kebomix: anything else using sound?
[12:57] <kebomix> moetunes: nope
[12:57] <kebomix> what is this http://www.drigg.org/Various/Thomas_David_No_sound_in_Kubuntu_Jaunty_with_VLC_or_Flash
[12:57] <kebomix> there is no voice on flash too :D
[13:03] <otswim> hello, could someone help me with my sound problem? i have no sound since upgrading to 10.04
[13:06] <otswim> here is the output of speaker-test: http://pastebin.com/TTkvVYbQ
[13:11] <KelloggsFrosties> hi all. got a problem with kubuntu lucid. After updating my network was gone. ifconfig only shows loopback but no eth. any ideas?
[13:12] <speedvin> hmm
[13:12] <speedvin> try knetwrokamanager
[13:13] <KelloggsFrosties> speedvin: knetworkmanager is running. but says networking disabled
[13:13] <speedvin> network disabled hmm...
[13:14] <KelloggsFrosties> okay. no it says "networkmanagement disabled"
[13:14] <speedvin> are your network card working good?
[13:14] <KelloggsFrosties> sky2-module has bin loaded and i see no errors in dmesg.
[13:14] <KelloggsFrosties> erm..."has been loaded"
[13:15] <speedvin> :wq :D
[13:15] <speedvin> check network cable
[13:15] <KelloggsFrosties> networking works fine booting from cd
[13:15] <speedvin> :P
[13:15] <speedvin> strange
[13:15] <speedvin> remove your kde4 dir
[13:15] <speedvin> or rename it
[13:15] <KelloggsFrosties> speedvin: there is no eth0! thats the problem. if i do "ifconfig" in terminal there is just the loopback device
[13:16] <KelloggsFrosties> so this is no kde problem i guess :/
[13:16] <speedvin> I know and that's really starnge
[13:16] <speedvin> but knetworkmanager will have problem's anyway after you fix this issue
[13:18] <moetunes> is there a line   auto eth0   in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:19] <KelloggsFrosties> moetunes: nope. strange. thats it. how could that happen?
[13:19]  * moetunes shrugs
[13:19] <KelloggsFrosties> moetunes: thanks a lot.
[13:19] <moetunes> there needs to be that line apparently
[13:19] <moetunes> np :]
[13:20] <KelloggsFrosties> hmmm.
[13:21] <speedvin> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk-right.html
[13:21] <speedvin> :D
[13:21] <KelloggsFrosties> moetunes: although it works, ubuntu seems to configure networking devices somehow else, because on this machine here in /etc/network/interfaces, there is also no eth0 but the interface works fine
[13:24] <moetunes> KelloggsFrosties: I don't use any network managers at all - just config manually
[13:29] <KelloggsFrosties> moetunes: thats okay for the moment. but when it comes to wlan, i will have to solve this somehow. configuring diffent wlan manually causes me pain ;)
[14:20] <pyramid> I have a problem with google maps and konqueror - it's not working. it does in firefox. any ideas?
[14:24] <pyramid> it seems to be a problem with konqueror+java
[14:25] <mavErik> hi, i've got a problem with virtual box in my 10.04...in virtual box i had installed XP and when i install the guest additions i can use it only befor a reboot...because after that they are missing...some one can helpo me? thanks in advance
[14:42] <ahox> Hi, I just upgraded to kubuntu 10.4 and now my grub is broken. How do I fix that?
[14:43] <ahox> I tried to mount root, /boot, binded /dev to root/dev and did a chroot into root/, however when I then run grub-update I get a lot of "/proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory". Any ideas?
[14:47] <ahox> Any ideas anyone?
[14:53] <silv3r_m00n> kget is minimised to tray , I need to restore it by using some keyboard shortcut
[14:53] <silv3r_m00n> is there any ?
[15:09] <neophoenix> hi all ! i have a problem with my graphical card; in windows, i have a resolution of 1600*1200 with nvidia 8600gt, driver nvidia and my screen Vision MasterTm 500 and with kubuntu the max resolution is 1376*768 with nvidia driver the same card and same screen .... can anyone has solve this problem ? or if anyone has a good card graphical with resolution like 1600*1200 can he say the name ? thanks a lot
[15:15] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: that seems odd.  what driver are you using?
[15:17] <neophoenix> jimmy51: i use nvidia driver, easy to install with kubuntu :) i take the recommanded :D
[15:18] <neophoenix> jimmy51: (version current) [recommanded] nvidia driver
[15:18] <neophoenix> jimmy51: NVIDIA X server setting
[15:19] <neophoenix> jimmy: and i can't have more than 1360x768
[15:20] <brucey> hi guys
[15:20] <neophoenix> hi
[15:20] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: are you using nvidia-settings?
[15:20] <brucey> long time ubuntu user here, just d/ling kubuntu now
[15:20] <brucey> see what its like :)
[15:21] <jimmy51_> brucey: i don't think you'll be dissapointed
[15:21] <jimmy51_> *disappointed
[15:21] <brucey> been told its totally diff from gnome
[15:22] <neophoenix> jimmy51_: nvidia settings don't work in my console :D
[15:22] <jimmy51_> yeah.  i tried gnome (ubuntu) before kde (kubuntu) and never really got the hang of it
[15:22] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: does    apt-cache policy nvidia-settings       show it as installed?
[15:23] <brucey> i have ubuntu 10.04 on now, but will see how i get on ..
[15:23] <brucey> 1 annoyance with gnome is (if u have dual monitors) u cant set individual wallpapers
[15:24] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:thanks for help :D yes nvidia-settings is installed
[15:24] <brucey> not sure if kde can do this
[15:24] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: but running        nvidia-settings        doesn't work?
[15:24] <jimmy51_> brucey: i think it can
[15:25] <brucey> nice :)
[15:25] <jimmy51_> brucey: i have two different wallpapers.  i set up TwinView in nvidia-settings and can set wallpaper willynilly
[15:25] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:root@kubuntur:/home/neophoenix# nvidia-settings
[15:25] <neophoenix> No protocol specified
[15:25] <neophoenix> ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage information.
[15:25] <brucey> jimmy51: you dual monitors also?
[15:25] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: i'd say that's related to your resolution problem :)
[15:25] <boby> kubuntu freezes at boot after clean install
[15:25] <boby> help?
[15:25] <jimmy51_> brucey: since 2001 :)
[15:26] <brucey> i cant live without dual screens in all honesty
[15:26] <brucey> irc on 1 screen/ gaming on the other
[15:26] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:i have that when i type nvidia-settings :D
[15:27] <boby> can anybody help me?
[15:27] <brucey> thats me d/led iso file bbl guys, thanx for the help
[15:27] <jimmy51_> brucey: hehe.  i have two monitors (big ones), and 4 virtual desktops.  on my right hand monitor i run a full screen Win7 VM on VD1, WXP on VD2
[15:27] <jimmy51_> brucey: have fun
[15:27] <jimmy51_> boby: at what stage is it locking up?
[15:27] <brucey> jimmy51: will bbl will chat then if ur on m8
[15:27] <jimmy51_> (what's the last thing you see)
[15:28] <boby> jimmy51: at kubuntu spalsh screen, it only shows mounting icon
[15:28] <boby> spash*
[15:28] <boby> no other icosn s. settings, K, etc.
[15:28] <boby> icons*
[15:29] <jimmy51_> hmm
[15:29] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: i have a vague memory of someone saying if you set your resolution using the KDE control panel it can screw things up
[15:29] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[15:30] <boby> I also try upgrade from 9.10 and it's same
[15:30] <boby> I can't get to the desktop
[15:30] <boby> it freezes before desktop
[15:30] <jimmy51_> boby: does it get to a login prompt?
[15:30] <boby> sometimes it does
[15:31] <boby> when I enter my user and pass it shows login screen again
[15:31] <jimmy51_> boby: ok
[15:31] <jimmy51_> boby: do you have an nvidia card?
[15:31] <boby> ati
[15:31] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:
[15:31] <neophoenix> Section "Screen"
[15:31] <neophoenix>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[15:31] <neophoenix>         DefaultDepth    24
[15:31] <neophoenix> EndSection
[15:31] <FloodBotK1> neophoenix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:31] <neophoenix> Section "Module"
[15:32] <jimmy51_> boby: ok.  i had a similar problem with my nvidia.  i had to remove the 3d driver packages and use the generic driver first
[15:32] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: doh!  you've gotta use the pastbin site.  you can't paste in here :|
[15:32] <boby> but I didn't install any of drivers
[15:33] <boby> when I do, it is the same
[15:33] <boby> what is plymouth?
[15:33] <jimmy51_> boby: you did a fresh install, didn't choose to activate 3d drivers, and it does this?
[15:33] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:http://paste.ubuntu.com/428342/
[15:33] <boby> no no
[15:33] <boby> after clean install no login at all
[15:34] <boby> i don't get desktop at all
[15:34] <boby> it freezes or offers login
[15:35] <boby> Oh I heven't red your message
[15:35] <boby> you are right
[15:35] <boby> you did a fresh install, didn't choose to activate 3d drivers, and it does this?
[15:35] <boby> that is correct
[15:35] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: here's my device section for one of myt monitors:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/428344/
[15:35] <jimmy51_> boby: does the LiveCD boot and operate fine?
[15:36] <boby> yes
[15:36] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:thanks a lot i will see ^^
[15:36] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: careful.... don't just use mine
[15:36] <jimmy51_> i'm just showing you that yours is missing some info
[15:36] <boby> I red somwhere that the problem is some "plymouth", waht is that?
[15:36] <boby> somewhere*
[15:36] <jimmy51_> you should google for sample xorg config for your monitor
[15:37] <neophoenix> :jimmy51_: my monitor is the problem :D me i search for my driver card or my card thanks a lot :D
[15:37] <neophoenix> jimmy51_: i will search for xorg config of my monitor thanks a lot for all ^^
[15:38] <jimmy51_> neophoenix: i'm no expert, but i think when you tried to set your resolution from the KDE panel it got rid of some stuff in your xorg that nvidia-settings needs
[15:38] <jimmy51_> boby: i'm not sure.... i think it's the core of the boot process.   https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Plymouth
[15:39] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:but you are good :D i will search thanks :D
[15:39] <jimmy51_> boby: if you get it to boot to the login prompt again, choose Xterm for the session type and login.  then sniff around in /var/log
[15:40] <jimmy51_> boby: /var/log/Xorg.0.log   <-  you can look for Xserver errors here
[15:40] <jimmy51_> boby: /var/log/kdm.log   <-  K Desktop errors here
[15:41] <boby> ok thx
[15:42] <boby> btw ubuntu is working fine
[15:43] <jimmy51_> boby: if it's video related, the problems should show up in those
[15:43] <jimmy51_> boby: hopefully someone smarter will be on soon and know more than i do :)
[15:43] <boby> :)
[15:45] <boby> one more thing
[15:46] <boby> when this happend, at login I choose consloe login
[15:46] <boby> at console when I do: "sudo killall kdm" and then startx I got desktop
[15:46] <neophoenix> jimmy51_:thanks again i reboot :D
[15:50] <progre55> hi people! any news on plymouth splash fixes using ATI graphics?
[16:18] <n8w> does anyone know any tools for measuring hdd max transfer rate?
[16:25] <dolomite> n8w: the ultimatebootcd.com might have a tool that can help ya
[16:26] <n8w> dolomite:  ye i meant some standalone app
[16:38] <FOAD> Hey, I am not getting any sound from kopete, although sound works everywhere else.  What could be the problem and how could I fix it?
[17:09]  * madura_ is away: Gone away for now
[17:09] <Pici> !away > madura_
[17:10] <threesome> hi
[17:11] <dolomite> hi
[17:12] <dolomite> ! away
[17:16] <dolomite> everybody duck! progre55 is here
[17:19] <DarthFrog> progre55: What's your issue?
[17:20] <progre55> lol :D
[17:20] <progre55> dolomite: good day to you, too :)
[17:20] <progre55> DarthFrog: how did you know I was with a problem here? :D
[17:21] <DarthFrog> progre55: I read the back screen. :-)
[17:21] <progre55> well, I used this fix http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9218816 to try to fix my plymouth splash bug.. but now on logon it says ubuntu is running on low graphics mode. but when I accept it, the screen resolution is fine, but no proprietary drivers being used.. any suggestions, please? is it bad?
[17:21] <DarthFrog> progre55: Anyway, I'm using the fglrx drivers and I managed to get the boot splash screen looking properly yesterday instead of cruddy.
[17:22] <progre55> DarthFrog: yeah it worked for me too, it's cute and nice.. but whats with the "low graphics mode" thing? :)
[17:22] <dolomite> progre55: that tutorial requires that you set a resolution right? did you set the same one as your desktop?
[17:22] <progre55> oh and how do I find out if 3D is enabled now or not?
[17:23] <DarthFrog> Low graphics mode?  1280 x 1024 isn't what I'd call low graphics.
[17:23] <progre55> yep, it's 1366x768
[17:23] <dolomite> progre55: install glxgears
[17:23] <progre55> oh yeah, I remember that.. sec, let me try  glxgears
[17:24] <progre55> hmm.. it couldnt find the package
[17:24] <DarthFrog> install mesa-utils.
[17:24] <dolomite> oh right; thanks DarthFrog
[17:24] <DarthFrog> And here's how I fixed my boot splash: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml
[17:24] <progre55> done
[17:25] <progre55> DarthFrog: what kind of card do you have?
[17:25] <DarthFrog> Radeon 5770
[17:25] <progre55> and I have radeon 4500
[17:25] <progre55> DarthFrog: oh and what do I do with mesa-utils now? :)
[17:25] <DarthFrog> run glxgears. :-)
[17:26] <progre55> and damn.. my fan seems to be working too hard or smth..
[17:26] <progre55> but it's not the cpu
[17:26] <progre55> I'd guess my graphics is struggling..
[17:27] <progre55> DarthFrog: btw, I tried that fix you posted, but then I lost tty.. and rolled back
[17:27] <DarthFrog> All I can say is, It Worked For Me (tm). :-)
[17:27] <progre55> =)
[17:28] <progre55> damn, I really do feel sorry about my graphics card.. I need to get back to the proprietary drivers..
[17:28] <progre55> let my try to roll back the changes I made..
[17:29] <DarthFrog> What card do you have?
[17:30] <progre55> radeon 4500
[17:30] <progre55> hmm.. lspci says "driver in use radeon"
[17:30] <progre55> is that what it's supposed to be?
[17:31] <progre55> shouldnt it be fglrx?
[17:31] <DarthFrog> Not necessarily.  radeon is open-source, is a good driver.  fglrx is prop. ATI driver.
[17:32] <DarthFrog> How many fps were you getting with glxgears?
[17:32] <progre55> hmm.. sec
[17:33] <progre55> 2850-2860
[17:33] <ahox> Hi, I just updated to 10.04 and now my PC crashes hard when I log in with my main account. Any ideas? I do not really want to delete ~/.kde
[17:33] <DarthFrog> Radeon is a better driver for ATI cards than nouveau is for Nvidia cards.
[17:33] <ahox> the test user works just fine
[17:34] <dolomite> ahox: so you don't want to lose something in .kde?
[17:34] <DarthFrog> Try moving ~/.kde to ~/.kde.saved
[17:34] <DarthFrog> Then moving over Kmail, Konq, etc. data/config as you need.
[17:34] <progre55> DarthFrog: but what's with the "low graphics mode" thing? and how do I fix it?
[17:34] <ahox> DarthFrog: that works - bu trather cumbersome
[17:35] <DarthFrog> ahox: You asked.  I answered. :-)   As you said, it works and will solve  your problem.
[17:35] <dolomite> hopefully will solve his problem
[17:36] <DarthFrog> progre55: was that per second or per 5 seconds?
[17:37] <progre55> oh.. let me see
[17:37] <progre55> DarthFrog: 5 seconds )
[17:37] <DarthFrog> I'm getting around 33,000 per 5 seconds.  Using fglrx.
[17:37] <progre55> wtf
[17:37] <progre55> I want that!
[17:37] <progre55> =)
[17:38] <n8w> is possible to direct an output from htop into a file?
[17:38] <DarthFrog> progre55:  Get a Radeon 5770 card then. :-)
[17:38] <progre55> lol
[17:39] <progre55> well, I guess I need a reboot
[17:39] <progre55> brb
[17:40] <DarthFrog> n8w: Normally, to direct output to a file, you'd do something like "command >> outputfile".  Doesn't seem to work with htop.
[17:41] <n8w> DarthFrog:  it seems that htop doesnt support savin an output in a file
[17:41] <ahox> now it starts but I had to start the plasma-desktop manually and all windows are opened maximized. Any ideas?
[17:42] <DarthFrog> Not surprising, since it output is dynamic.  But I don't see why bash wouldn't do it anyway.
[17:43] <ahox> and the maximized windows do not have a window control. Kind of feels like plasma-netbook which is not installed. Any ideas?
[17:43] <DarthFrog> n8w: Why do you want to do so anyway?  Maybe I can think of something else.
[17:43] <DarthFrog> ahox: Sorry, I draw a blank.
[17:44] <progre55> hm.. my crappy splash is back
[17:44] <n8w> DarthFrog:  i wanna know whether my cpu reaches 100%
[17:44] <progre55> but so is my proprietary driver =)
[17:44] <DarthFrog> progre55: So what?  Means nothing.
[17:44] <progre55> and my graphics' fan doesnt make that much noise
[17:44] <DarthFrog> n8w: Install something like cpuburn. It'll reach 100% alright. :-)
[17:45] <progre55> DarthFrog and glxgears show 8884 per 5 sec
[17:45] <progre55> much better than radeon
[17:45] <n8w> DarthFrog:  ye but i need to whether one particular process makes it go up to 100%
[17:45] <progre55> n8w why do you want that again?
[17:45] <DarthFrog> progre55: Now you should be a happy camper!  See kids, progre55 is a happy camper. :-)
[17:46] <progre55> DarthFrog: I dont really care about the splash :P I can just turn it off..
[17:46] <dolomite> progre55: do you have direct rendering enabled? glxinfo | grep direct
[17:46] <DarthFrog> n8w: top >> outputfile works.
[17:46] <n8w> DarthFrog:  im testin how much load my db2 server can take before reachin 100% of cpu usage
[17:46] <progre55> DarthFrog: oh btw, it's fine when shutting down the comp.. it's just while booting up..
[17:46] <n8w> DarthFrog:  cool,im gonna try it...thx
[17:46] <progre55> dolomite: I do
[17:47] <progre55> dolomite: is it good or bad? )
[17:47] <dolomite> that's good
[17:47] <progre55> oh btw, let me switch back to kde..
[17:47] <DarthFrog> progre55: If direct rendering was turned off, you'd not be a happy camper. :-)
[17:47] <n8w> DarthFrog:  shit i though u wrote htop:)..anywai, i could use top just for the test
[17:47] <progre55> I was doing all these experiments under gnome =)
[17:48] <progre55> DarthFrog: lol
[17:48] <progre55> brb
[17:48] <DarthFrog> n8w: Right.  top gives cpu info.  and if you have SMP, press "1" will show each CPU.
[17:48] <n8w> DarthFrog:  aight...thx
[17:50] <progre55> back
[17:51] <DarthFrog> n8w: top and htop are showing the contents of the /proc filesystem.  If you figure out which one there is the CPU usage, you could do a "watch cat /proc/file >> outputfile" or some such.
[17:51] <progre55> damn, screw the splash screen.. I'll better wait until they fix plymouth for prop.drivers..
[17:51] <DarthFrog> progre55: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml
[17:51] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:52] <DarthFrog> progre55: If you wait for that, you might be waiting for Godot!  There is zero impetus to do anything with prop. drivers.
[17:53] <progre55> DarthFrog: well as I said, I already tried that fix.. but then I lost my TTY. So it's not worth it =)
[17:53] <DarthFrog> You mean "CTL-ALT-F1"?
[17:53] <c3l> Im having serious issues with wine and my display, each time a wine program (even winecfg) loads, my screen goes black for up to 5 seconds, how do I fix this? (running 2 screens)
[17:53] <progre55> DarthFrog: yep
[17:54] <progre55> DarthFrog: does it work for you?
[17:54] <DarthFrog> progre55: What resolution did you set?  Mine works, but in 1280 1024
[17:54] <n8w> DarthFrog:  ive got one more question...have u got any experience with bash scriptin?
[17:54] <DarthFrog> n8w: A little bit.  Not much.  And I'm not a programmer.
[17:54] <progre55> DarthFrog: hmm.. it says native, right? my native is 1366x768
[17:55] <n8w> DarthFrog:  ok;)
[17:56] <progre55> well, let me try it once more.. but for the last time =)
[17:57] <caprea> I accidentally resized my menubar/taskbar and am having trouble resizing it to span the whole screen
[17:57] <DarthFrog> progre55: I set the 1280x1024 in /etc/grub/default, as described in that article.
[17:58] <dolomite> caprea: you want it to span your whole screen?
[17:58] <caprea> Yes, I want it to look like default, when I installed
[17:58] <DarthFrog> progre55: My desktop is running at native resolution at 2048 x 1280
[17:58] <caprea> The standard menu bar size
[17:58] <progre55> DarthFrog: maybe I should change 1280x1024 to 1366x768 everywhere.. let me try
[17:58] <dolomite> caprea: if the height adjustment isn't working for you, you can remove the panel and create a new one
[17:59] <progre55> DarthFrog: wow, is that a laptop you have? )
[17:59] <caprea> The height adjustment works fine, its the width im having toruble with
[17:59] <DarthFrog> progre55: the only rez change I made was in /etc/default/grub.  No, a 23" LCD monitor.
[17:59] <dolomite> caprea: have you tried adding a spacer somewhere in there; I think I did that at some point and I just removed and added the panel again
[18:00] <caprea> Im afraid if i remove the panel, I wont be able to add the task bar, quick launch, tray, clock etc in the right way
[18:00] <caprea> I did, and that helped. Is there some text file I can edit and maybe restart x?
[18:00] <progre55> DarthFrog: well I've added "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1366x768" into grub, and the splash-resolution is fine.. but it's fcked up a bit... the graphics it self
[18:00] <dolomite> caprea: I don't think you'll have any problems.
[18:00] <dolomite> caprea: I'm not aware of any text file. I'll search though.
[18:01] <DarthFrog> progre55: Give it up then.  Do you really care?
[18:01] <progre55> DarthFrog: well, not really.. but it's still first impression, you know.. when opening up your computer in public.. )
[18:02] <dolomite> progre55: don't open your computer until it's past that point.
[18:02] <jobob> I am not new... i want to give support. do i have to be a member of the ubuntu team
[18:02] <dolomite> jobob: no, this is a free-for-all
[18:02] <progre55> DarthFrog: lol :D
[18:02] <jobob> and i am in the right chat room
[18:02] <jobob> ...
[18:02] <DarthFrog> jobob: Nope.  If you've got something to offer, jump in.
[18:03] <jobob> i wanna give support for the KDE version (kubuntu)
[18:03] <progre55> jobob: and I need some support..
[18:03] <jobob> Yes,how may i help
[18:03] <dolomite> jobob: have fun with progre55; he's fun
[18:03] <jobob> ... ya right
[18:04] <progre55> jobob: I have an ati card, 4500 series. and my plymouth splash is a bit annoying.. suggestions? :)
[18:04] <jobob> Sorry,i need more info
[18:04] <jobob> can you tell me what version of kubuntu you are running
[18:04] <progre55> lucid
[18:04] <jobob> lucid lynx
[18:04] <jobob> correct
[18:05] <progre55> yep
[18:05] <jobob> ok
[18:05] <jobob> can you tell me what exactly happens on the screen
[18:06] <caprea> dolomite, you know how there is only a certain area where applicaiton tasks show up? well somehow that region has been restricted to a small space
[18:06] <progre55> I've fixed the screen resolution in /etc/default/grub by setting GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX, but the picture is not clear
[18:06] <dolomite> caprea: what about a spacer?
[18:06] <jobob> What monitor are you running kubuntu lucid lynx on
[18:07] <progre55> jobob: it's got some color surrounding it.. like those old time computer games under win95 =)
[18:07] <progre55> jobob: hmm.. my laptop monitor, vaio.. let my lspci it
[18:07] <jobob> and when does this problem happen?
[18:07] <caprea> the spacer makes the bar bigger, but the area for tasks is still rrestricted to the widget's area, I guess
[18:07] <progre55> jobob: when I boot up
[18:08] <progre55> jobob: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500 Series]
[18:08] <dolomite> caprea: I understand. this happened to me once. you haven't removed and added the bar again have you?
[18:08] <DarthFrog> jobob: He's got an adverse interaction with the proprietary ATI fglrx driver.
[18:08] <jobob> for example when you shut down does it show a picture of frazzled white words
[18:09] <progre55> oh btw, while shutting down, the picture is fine and clear
[18:09] <caprea> how do i remove it?
[18:09] <jobob> interesting
[18:09] <progre55> yeah, tell me about it =)
[18:09] <jobob> i might look into that
[18:09] <dolomite> caprea: should be under the menu whenyou click that kidney shaped thing
[18:09] <jobob> can you tell what it looks like
[18:10] <caprea> so, remove the whole panel then?
[18:10] <DarthFrog> jobob: Check out http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml for a known solution.
[18:10] <dolomite> caprea: yes
[18:10] <dolomite> caprea: as long as you're fine with making another one
[18:10] <progre55> jobob: it looks really bad :D
[18:10] <jobob> darth that is a ubuntu lucid lynx web page
[18:10] <jobob> ....
[18:10] <progre55> btw, let me take a picture =)
[18:10] <DarthFrog> jobob: Yep.  It worked for me yesterday. :-)
[18:10] <progre55> I need to restart..
[18:11] <jobob> take pic and send it
[18:11] <dolomite> jobob: this isn't a KDE issue. it happens before kdm is even loaded
[18:11] <progre55> brb
[18:11] <jobob> thanks
[18:11] <jobob> dolo
[18:11] <jobob> listain
[18:11] <jobob> it is not a KDE issue i know
[18:11] <marxjohnson> has anyone else found that notifications are appearing center-top instead of center-right since upgrading to lucid?
[18:11] <DarthFrog> jobob: progre55 doesn't have a problem when using the radeon driver and does when using the proprietary fglrx driver.
[18:11] <caprea> oh, i found the fix
[18:12] <dolomite> jobob: and thus, ubuntu fixes will help
[18:12] <caprea> dolomite: under the 'more options' for the panel there is a 'maximize panel' option
[18:12] <DarthFrog> dolomite: You are correct.  However, it is a Kubuntu issue.
[18:12] <jobob> i know that.  i am giving support for the driver that dosnt work
[18:12] <jobob> ...
[18:12] <dolomite> DarthFrog: I'm aware. jobob seemed surprised that the tutorial is on ubuntu forums
[18:12] <dolomite> I was clarifying.
[18:12] <jobob> i know
[18:13] <dolomite> caprea: good to know. glad it workd
[18:13] <jobob> but the ubuntu forums may link to some good info
[18:13] <jobob> so i will check the link and the forumns
[18:13] <jobob> typo...
[18:14] <InvaderZim> Why can't I mount my ntfs partition without a password in dolphin anymore after the upgrade to 10.04?
[18:15] <jobob> kubuntu is not for NTFS very much
[18:15] <jobob> it can run
[18:15] <speedvin> seciurity?
[18:15] <jobob> but not very well
[18:15] <jobob> but you shouldnt need a password
[18:15] <dolomite> InvaderZim: you need to add it to your fstab
[18:15] <jobob> weird
[18:15] <dolomite> InvaderZim: if you'd like, I can walk you through something that *might* help
[18:15] <InvaderZim> no not fstab
[18:15] <jobob> konversation?
[18:15] <InvaderZim> I did it before
[18:16] <InvaderZim> before the upgrade it worked fine... I think it used policykit
[18:16] <InvaderZim> and I can't see policykit around
[18:16] <dolomite> InvaderZim: I believe adding 'noauto' to the options for the drive will do it as well.
[18:17] <InvaderZim> I don't want it to be auto-mounted at boottime... I want it to mount when I click on the hd in dolphin without having to type a password.
[18:17] <jobob> i know
[18:17] <dolomite> InvaderZim: I understand that.
[18:17] <InvaderZim> so why 10.04 broke it?
[18:18] <jobob> it dosnt want you looking at hard disk without a password so you cannot damage inportant fikes
[18:18] <jobob> files
[18:18] <jobob> if what i am saying is correct
[18:18] <jobob> i am losing my mind
[18:18] <jobob> ...
[18:18] <DarthFrog> jobob: more generally, the "mount" command requires root privileges.
[18:18] <jobob> exactly
[18:19] <jobob> really still wants not anyone to get to it without permission
[18:19] <vbgunz> hey, when I open system settings and click on desktop effects, the entire window just closes for no reason
[18:19] <vbgunz> whats going on?
[18:19] <jobob> i dont know
[18:19] <jobob> it may be your video driver
[18:19] <jimmy51_> FOAD: did you check the PCM slider in mixer?
[18:20] <DarthFrog> vbgunz: Run "systemsettings" from a terminal and see if anything is reported back when the window closes.
[18:20] <jobob> can you give me the version of kubuntu and your video card
[18:20] <jimmy51_> FOAD: my sound was good in all but some things (like flash).  turned out to be PCM in the mixer app.
[18:20] <jobob> darth is good
[18:20] <jimmy51_> FOAD: whoops, i guess i didn't scroll down after lunch
[18:20] <jobob> try him first
[18:20] <vbgunz> DarthFrog: I think I know, thanks for that tip
[18:20] <jimmy51_> Darth is good.  The only Sith I trust
[18:20] <jobob> LOL!
[18:20] <DarthFrog> vbgunz: Yer welcome.  Have fun.
[18:21] <vbgunz> I gotta reinstall the driver, need to restart x
[18:21] <DarthFrog> jimmy51_: :-^)
[18:21] <DarthFrog> jimmy51_: I'm just leading folks to the Dark Side. :-)
[18:22] <jimmy51_> DarthFrog: Doubtful... otherwise you'd be in #DasFenster
[18:22] <jobob> hey u know the person that i was helping first what is taking him so long
[18:22] <dolomite> jobob: what did he leave to do?
[18:22] <jobob> restart and take a pic of the boot screen
[18:23] <jobob> ah there he is
[18:23] <speedvin> :D
[18:23] <jobob> pogre what happened
[18:23] <jobob> did u get it
[18:24] <jobob>  :(
[18:24] <ArkoldThos> do not install kde 4.3.3 from kubuntu-ppa-ppa
[18:24] <progre55> jobob: it's progress :)
[18:24] <jobob> pogre
[18:24] <progre55> jobob: sec, I'll upload the pics
[18:24] <jobob> put it on here
[18:24] <progre55> on where?
[18:24] <jobob> or if you cant send it to joshuabaymill@msn.com
[18:24] <DarthFrog> !pastebin|job
[18:25] <jobob> kk paste.ubuntu
[18:25] <jobob> ok
[18:25] <jobob> oh
[18:25] <jobob> send pic to joshuabaymill@msn.com
[18:25] <jobob> i will look and email back
[18:25] <jobob> ty
[18:25] <jobob> gotta go
[18:25] <jobob> cya
[18:25] <FloodBotK1> jobob: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:25] <progre55> here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1571029/DSC01258.JPG
[18:26] <dolomite> hhah
[18:26] <progre55> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1571029/DSC01257.JPG
[18:26] <progre55> oh man, the guy left :)
[18:26] <dolomite> oh man...
[18:26] <progre55> he was my only hope..
[18:26] <progre55> :D
[18:26] <dolomite> I think he needed his fix
[18:26] <DarthFrog> Well, that was rather interesting.  Jobob was using Windows here. :-)
[18:26] <roberto_> hey, can anyone help me with alsa?
[18:26] <dolomite> roberto_: what's your issue?
[18:26] <progre55> roberto_: you just missed the guy..
[18:26] <progre55> jobob
[18:27] <progre55> :)
[18:27] <roberto_> out of the box the sound wasn't working on the SPDIF out. I found how I could enable that with gnome-alsamixer and alsamixer .. which is great because it works
[18:27] <progre55> oh, he actually left his email apparently =) let me mail him )
[18:28] <dolomite> progre55: yeah sorry, thought you saw that
[18:28] <roberto_> but now I get sound from the computer speakres and the spdif out. I want to get audio from music out of my spdif out, but can keep the system sounds from the pc speaker
[18:28] <dolomite> embed a windows virus while you're at it progress
[18:29] <DarthFrog> Now, now, dolomite, play nice. :-)
[18:29] <dolomite> yes sir.
[18:29] <Kagemaru> hi... does anybody know how to do the 9.10 -> 10.4 upgrade from bash? ^^;
[18:29] <teh_AJ> Hi all, i am brand new to ubuntu, i just switched over from windows 7, I have 3 hard drives, (300 gb WD, 1.5 TB ST, and 16 GB solid state) I can see the solid state but i cant see any of the other hdds, oh and ubuntu is installed on the 300 gb hdd, i am sry if this sounds noob but iam a noob, lol thx for your help
[18:29] <speedvin> :D
[18:29] <teh_AJ> (Ubuntu can see the hard drives in the Disk Utility just not in the home screen)
[18:29] <dolomite> roberto_: have you tried configuring what device system sounds use in systemsettings>multimedia?
[18:29] <maco> Kagemaru:  sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:30] <Kagemaru> awesome
[18:30] <progre55> dolomite: oh so he's a windows user.. hmm, interesting =) I could make up a gif file, instead of jpg =)
[18:31] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[18:31] <dolomite> teh_AJ: so the only one that you can't see is the 1.5TB?
[18:31] <jimmy51_> ok, here goes.  i'm going to upgrade my work workstation.  hopefully it works and i don't end up unproductive for 2 days trying to fix it !
[18:31] <phoenix_> i an having problem with my bluetooth device
[18:31] <roberto_> teh_Aj: if you can see them but they aren't accessible its because they aren't configured to mount anywhere.
[18:32] <phoenix_> i am trying to connect my nokia phone, through bluetooth, i am getting this error message"Sorry your Bluetooth Device does not support input Service"
[18:33] <roberto_> dolomite: I don't have a System -> Preferences -> Multimedia -- you mean Sound or multiumedia?
[18:33] <dolomite> roberto_: yeah, sorry
[18:34] <roberto_> dolomite: yeah I looked there, that was weird because it didnt change the output tab in that menu :P
[18:34] <njathan> i just installed 10.04, and as expected wireless aint working... can someone help me with wicd? apt-get --install gives me the error 'conflicting packages - not installing'
[18:35] <ubion> hello guys
[18:35] <ubion> i am a die hard opensuse fan
[18:35] <ubion> BUT
[18:35] <njathan> apt-get remove network-manager screams about dependencies
[18:35] <Kagemaru> maco: worked like a charm, thanks a bunch
[18:35] <ubion> i want to switch to kubuntu
[18:35] <progre55> arright, I've got to reboot again..
[18:35] <progre55> ubion: good call =)
[18:35] <ubion> i can't make up my mind related to the kde implementation right now, is it really still too gnome centric?
[18:36] <dolomite> ubion: have fun!
[18:37] <ubion> is the kde experience 1:1 with the gnome one yet
[18:38] <maco> ubion: our package manager needs work... but we're more configurable. each has their strong and weak points *shrug*
[18:38] <dolomite> ubion: it depends on th.e applications you'd like to run. KDE is a nicely self-sustaining manager these days
[18:38] <ubion> how about the ubuntu one thing
[18:38] <dolomite> ubion: hum?
[18:38] <ubion> is there integration with the dolphin file manager just like the ease it has with nautilus etc ?
[18:39] <maco> ubion: that's being worked on for 10.10
[18:39] <ubion> :/
[18:39] <maco> it's a google summer of code project
[18:39] <maco> apachelogger's doing it, i think
[18:39] <ubion> honest guy, now that is something i appreciate
[18:40] <ubion> anything else you hate in the current kde implementation guys
[18:40] <maco> i dislike the lack of a button in kmail's statusbar to switch to offline mode like evolution has... if i really hated it, i'd probably have found a way to fix it though
[18:41] <DarthFrog> ubion: Hate is too strong a word.
[18:41] <ubion> well, sure; ok, how about annoyed
[18:41] <DarthFrog> I dislike that kmail isn't suitable for HTML mail, but that's a KDE issue, not Ubuntu.
[18:41] <apachelogger> maco: I never quite got the use of such a button TBH
[18:41] <maco> apachelogger: faster than the menu
[18:41] <DarthFrog> I dislike that the Ubuntu specific innovations (eg. the Me Menu) aren't implemented in Kubuntu.
[18:42] <apachelogger> maco: the idea is that the app should be mode aware
[18:42] <apachelogger> maco: which kmail should be IIRC
[18:42] <roberto_> so .. is there some way to seperate the spdif audio from the system speakers?
[18:42] <roberto_> outside of completely disabling the system speakers, I mean
[18:43] <dolomite> roberto_: I'm no help.
[18:43] <progre55> omg, my brightness keys are working!
[18:43] <progre55> finally =)
[18:43] <progre55> at least smth good out of these restarts today =)
[18:43] <maco> apachelogger: it cant be aware when vpnc drops though. so i still have a network connection, but its a useless one. then it correctly thinks im online. but if it tries to sync in that state, then even *after* i get the vpn back up, itll hang on "retrieving folder namespaces" for every account configured and i have to cancel each account's sync then restart the sync. but if i mark it offline after the vpn drops but before another sync starts, its fine
[18:44] <apachelogger> maco: then the offline mode sounds more like a work around for an issue of large proportions anyway ;)
[18:44]  * apachelogger doesnt like workarounds :P
[18:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:44] <apachelogger> time to write some specs
[18:45] <maco> apachelogger: i cant do much about my school's cisco vpn being full of fail though
[18:45] <DarthFrog> apachelogger: What about a button that changes state when it autodetects when the connection mode changes and be clickable to force a mode change?
[18:46] <apachelogger> maco: here we dont need no vpn connection to access internal services
[18:46] <maco> (usually vpnc is still running. it doesnt seem to crash on me nowadays. its just that the vpn server stops sending packets til i reinitialize the vpn connection)
[18:46] <maco> apachelogger: my email is on gmail :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> ah
[18:46]  * apachelogger never noticed such problems though
[18:46] <apachelogger> then again our cisco vpn barely fails ;)
[18:46] <apachelogger> DarthFrog: no clue what you are talking about, sorry
[18:46] <maco> i need to use a vpn to access anything except a "rawr! youre not on the vpn! no nets for you!" page when i use my school's wireless
[18:57] <njathan> my wireless interface doesn't seem to be working...it cannot detect a wireless network thats actually there! how can i verify if the drivers are not the culprit?
[18:57] <KenBW22> is it possible to have an autohidden panel appear after a delay?
[18:58] <ArkoldThos> how can I uninstall splash screen? :P it freezes 2/3 when i reboot
[19:04] <raindog> I have the beta and backports repos enabled, but not ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa.  Only the last one has the 4.4.2 packages so far.  Will the 4.4.3 packages make it into the beta repos?
[19:05] <raindog> edit:  'has the 4.4.3...'
[19:07] <raindog> After further checking the beta repos is fairly limited.
[19:10] <raindog> with ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa enabled it offers 4.4.3 kde packages but wants to remove many applications such as amarok and akregator.
[19:11] <ArkoldThos> raindog, do noooooooooooooooooooooooooot install them
[19:11] <ArkoldThos> raindog, many broken dependencies atm
[19:11] <ArkoldThos> just tryied :p
[19:12] <ArkoldThos> tried*
[19:12] <ArkoldThos> xd
[19:12] <raindog> ArkoldThos: I decided to wait.  Thanks for heads up as well.
[19:12] <ArkoldThos> :)
[19:15] <plush> heya. any idea why network managed would suddenly decide not to work anymore? wireless is not working, the system tray icon shows a disconnected cable and the tool tip says "unmanaged". no menus open when clicking on the system tray icon
[19:15] <plush> i didn't change anything, this just happened suddenly out of the blue
[19:15] <benkevan> ? I installed 4.4.3 just fine..
[19:16] <raindog> benkevan: Do you have the beta repos enables as well?
[19:16] <raindog> enabled...
[19:16] <benkevan> Ah.. no.. I just have the updates ppa..
[19:17] <djustice> plush: try removing the knetworkmanager config files then try again. configborkage i bet.
[19:17] <djustice> plush: or check your 'wireless' hardware switch.. i accidentally hit mine all the time.. :P
[19:17] <plush> djustice: ok. where would i find said files?
[19:18] <plush> djustice: this is my parents' netbook. the wireless switch is the first thing it told them to toggle :)
[19:18] <benkevan> djustice: I'm guilty of that switch hitting too haha
[19:18] <plush> unfortunately, the switch was not it
[19:18] <djustice> plush: .kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc && .kde/share/apps/networkmanagement
[19:19] <plush> djustice: ok, thanks. i am trying to solve the issue remotely, from a different country. will call them later tonight and have them nuke those files
[19:19] <djustice> plush: config borkage can happen on older versions of knetworkmanager when the networks swap internal properties... like essid or channel, etc..
[19:19] <djustice> plush: good luck :)
[19:19] <plush> if that doesn't work, it seems several people recommend wicd instead of knetworkmanager
[19:19] <djustice> plush: eh, wicd is ok. nm-applet is solid too.
[19:19] <plush> djustice: this is on 10.04 so it should be the newest version
[19:19] <plush> also, it's the home network where definitely absolutely nothing changes
[19:20] <djustice> plush: or maybe a recompile...
[19:20] <djustice> plush: nah, 10.04's kde is at least 7 months old...
[19:20] <djustice> er. 4* ;p
[19:20] <plush> sure, i am running 4.4.3 on my own machine... but i thought it would be recent enough not have evil bugs
[19:20] <plush> anyway, will try nuking config
[19:31] <Guest35978> hey mamarok
[19:38] <benkevan> it sure did get quiet in here
[19:40] <sync350> Yeah, it is ain't it?
[19:40] <fire> quiet riot
[19:42] <alarm> hello there. i just installed ubuntu 10 . i would like to know which package i need to download through apt-get to install my nvidia drivers
[19:42] <alarm>  i own a Nvidia G8600
[19:42] <alarm> the only relevant file i can see to download through apt is nvidia-common
[19:43] <dany> hi all
[19:43] <fire> hallo
[19:43] <dany> I have a problem. I have done the do-release-update and now I have a problem with the nvidia driver
[19:43] <fire> alarm use the Hardware Driver installing from Ubuntu, it should do it for you
[19:44] <alarm> well my Hardware Driver application found in my Kmenu doesnt find any kind of drivers
[19:44] <dany> I have installed last driver but now I have a purple screen at the boot with the text: UBUNTU 10 instead of kubuntu 10
[19:46] <djustice> dany: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[19:47] <dany> ok
[19:47] <dany> now I'll try it
[19:47] <djustice> dany: and type '0' or '1' or whatever number is beside the 'kubuntu' entry... then <enter>
[19:47] <dany> what should it do?
[19:47] <djustice> dany: change the ubuntu usplash back to the kubuntu usplash
[19:47] <dany> ok thank you :)
[19:47] <dany> I am going to try it
[19:47] <djustice> dany: or maybe something else happened... good luck :)
[19:48] <dany> djustice: thanks :)
[19:49] <fire> alarm: Geforce 8600 GT?
[19:50] <alarm> M
[19:50] <pingveno> I just did the upgrade to Lucid and now KNetworkManager stays open permanently whenever I click on it.
[19:50] <alarm> i try to figure out which package i need to download from the kpackage manager
[19:50] <pingveno> mv .kde .kde.bak ?
[19:50] <fire> alarm: i have an 8600 GT it picked it up fine
[19:50] <alarm> nvidia-current-modaliases seems to be installed. still i dont see any nvidia installed
[19:51] <fire> alarm: there is a manual way to install the drivers too
[19:51] <alarm> i know from the nvidia binary
[19:51] <alarm> but thats a problem when you a upgrade kernel
[19:51] <djustice> pingveno: .kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc && .kde/share/apps/networkmanagement ... maybe...
[19:52] <mavErik> someone can help me with this? Bus 006 Device 002: ID 08ff:2580 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2501 Fingerprint Sensor
[19:52] <thopiekar> hi
[19:52] <fire> alarm: hold on let me fetch you a PPA that does a better job than compiling the driver from nvidia binary: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-nvidia-graphics-drivers-190-42-in-ubuntu-karmicjauntyintrepidhardy.html
[19:53] <fire> alarm: this method won't require you to install your drivers every kernel update
[19:53] <alarm> thats for beta drivers
[19:53] <thopiekar> is here the developer of veromix.. I'm reading now his code but have a problem w/ his pulseaudio bindings ..
[19:53] <alarm> plus its for jaunty
[19:54] <fire> alarm: it has lucid repos too
[19:54] <alarm> and karmic , but not lucid
[19:54] <fire> alarm: tutorial is just karmic specific
[19:54] <alarm> sudo apt-get install nvidia-190-modaliases nvidia-glx-190 nvidia-settings-190 , this line seems to me outdated dude :)
[19:55] <jobob> Hi anyone here
[19:55] <jobob> anyone here?
[19:56]  * djustice hugs jobob
[19:58] <newyork> hi guys, i am searching the whole day for the right alsa "modul=" modul i have to put in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf on my kubuntu 10.4 system, i have a snd-hda-intel VIA VT1708S but i cant found any possible for that in the HD-Audio-Models.txt, anyone any idea?
[20:00] <moetunes> newyork: is it an intel or via chip? you say it is both
[20:00] <jobob> anyone here
[20:00] <jobob>  :(
[20:00] <jobob>  :|
[20:00] <jobob>  :D
[20:00] <jobob> ha ha ha
[20:02] <newyork> moetunes, here is the output of /proc/asound/cards and the more detail output of /proc/asiund/card0/codec#0 and card1/codec#0
[20:02] <newyork> http://paste.frubar.net/12214
[20:03] <mavErik> someone can help me with this? Bus 006 Device 002: ID 08ff:2580 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2501 Fingerprint Sensor
[20:03] <sithlord48> for some reason my sound stoped working,, and before that would only work in kde applications (check kmixer all channels are up and master is correct). i can use pulse but it picks the wrong sound output and i can't seam to change that either. does anyone have any suggestions?
[20:04] <jobob> maverik what is wrong
[20:04] <jobob> can you tell me what is going on
[20:04] <mavErik> jobob: hi, and thank for reply
[20:04] <newyork> the asound/cards says HDA-INTEL, the asound/card0/codec#0+ says VIA VT1708S and card1/#codec0 says ATI RS690/780 HDMI
[20:04] <jobob> also i only do karmic koala and lucid lynx
[20:04] <mavErik> i've got a problem with finger reader
[20:04] <mastercactapus> when i use multiple screens my panel moves to the other screen, is there a way to prevent this?
[20:04] <sithlord48> oh btw  this is un lucid.
[20:05] <mavErik> i cant use it
[20:05] <mastercactapus> *lucid as well
[20:05] <jobob> what version of kubuntu are you running mav
[20:05] <mavErik> jobob: 10.04
[20:05] <jobob> lucid lynx correct
[20:05] <mavErik> i dont know...
[20:05] <mavErik> i'm a noobie
[20:05] <sithlord48> mastercactapus. have u tried to remove the panel on the other desktop or does that remove it from both ?
[20:05] <jobob> newbie
[20:05] <moetunes> newyork: what does   lspci | grep Audio   return?
[20:06] <jobob> ...
[20:06] <jobob> oh well
[20:06] <mavErik> jobob: ok, newbie
[20:06] <newyork> moetunes, http://paste.frubar.net/12215
[20:06] <jobob> when did  you download kubuntu
[20:06] <jobob> this will help me figure out version
[20:06] <newyork> moetunes, i have onboard audio, no pci card
[20:07] <Lucifer_> I have an issue with hdmi audio im on lucid and i can not get the audio to go though to the tv I have no idea how to fix this is there anyone that could help me im also using nvidia drivers
[20:07] <mavErik> it is a question?
[20:07] <brucey> hi
[20:07] <sithlord48> u know wht newyork, we have almost the same card...
[20:07] <mastercactapus> sithlord48 theres only one, it just jumps to the other screen, but my display still acts as the primary (new windows open on the original)
[20:07] <jobob> yes can you tell me when you downloaded kubuntu
[20:07] <moetunes> newyork: seems like you should look for radeon hd
[20:07] <Lucifer_> *open source nvidia drivers
[20:07] <mavErik> the first day that it was avaible...
[20:08] <sithlord48> mastercactapus, virtual or real desktop?
[20:08] <mavErik> jobob: friday 31
[20:08] <jobob> Please bear with me
[20:08] <jobob> i am searching
[20:08] <dolomite> mavErik: like last week, right?
[20:09] <mavErik> dolomite: yes, last weak
[20:09] <dolomite> jobob: it's 10.04 lucid lynx
[20:09] <mavErik> dolomite: last friday
[20:09] <dolomite> jobob: please continue
[20:09] <njathan> my wifi seems to have gone for a toss after upgrading to 10.04... it does not show a wifi signal which i know is there! can someone help me troubleshoot?
[20:09] <mastercactapus> virtual i believe; i configured it through Display in system settings
[20:09] <jobob> you are proberly useing lucid lynx
[20:09] <jobob> ok
[20:09] <mavErik> jobob: ok
[20:10] <jobob> so what is happening again
[20:10] <mavErik> it all ok, the only problem is that i cant use my finger reader on my hp pavillion...
[20:10] <newyork> hm moetunes there isnt any radeon hd modul in the /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt
[20:10] <mavErik> in the terminal with lsusb i watch it
[20:10] <mastercactapus> sithlord48 virtual i believe; i configured it through Display in system settings
[20:11] <jobob> sorry i do not know what a finger reader is can you explain....
[20:11] <sithlord48> mastercactapus, hum,,, i think u might be stuck w/ that ..
[20:11] <jobob>  :| are you a slow typer
[20:12] <jobob>  ;)
[20:12] <administrator_> Hello, I have a little problem. After upgrading from Karmic to Lucid there's no PolicyKit Applet in System Settings (also after clean install). There was an info that this package has no more Canonical support. What can I do to get it back?
[20:12] <mavErik> jobob: is a component that read a digital print of a finger
[20:12] <mavErik> to do login..
[20:12] <moetunes> newyork: try post #10 from here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/sound-problems-64bits-intel-hda-azalia-793035/
[20:12] <Lucifer_> or does anyone know if Nouveau drivers support hdmi audio? the hdmi device shows up in multimedia but i get no sound (when i hit test)
[20:12] <jobob> sorry mav hang on
[20:13] <sithlord48> think u might need the closed driver for that ..Lucifer_
[20:13] <jobob> luc nouveau drivers do NOT support hdmi audio. depending on the version
[20:13] <mavErik> jobob: wait
[20:13] <jobob> ok back to u mav
[20:13] <dolomite> mavErik: have you ever been able to get it to work with linux? if so, how?
[20:14] <mavErik> dolomite: no, i never use it on linux
[20:14] <jobob> dolomite:Thank you for trying to help but i have this under my wing
[20:14] <newyork> moetunes, thats the mainpoint i want to try, but in the HD-Audio-Models.txt are no model that is listening for the output: Codec: VIA VT1708S
[20:14] <jobob> mav kubuntu is linux.....
[20:14] <Lucifer_> thanks
[20:15] <newyork> and thats the point, i am searching for the model for that codec, because i cant find any possible in the HD-Audio-Models.txt moetunes
[20:15] <mavErik> jobob: yes, but i used it only on windows..
[20:15] <dolomite> mavErik: I'm researching. one sec
[20:15] <mavErik> dolomite: thanks
[20:15] <moetunes> newyork: I don't know why it says via when lspci says you use ati... how does via enter inti it?
[20:15] <jobob> you installed kubuntu INTO windows using the wubi package on the Install Kubuntu CD
[20:16] <jobob> correct
[20:16] <moetunes> s/inti/into
[20:16] <jobob> ???
[20:16] <mavErik> jobob:
[20:16] <jobob> mav what....
[20:16] <mavErik> jobob: nono, i formatted mi pc where there were windows seven and now ther is kubuntu
[20:17] <newyork> hm i dont know how to find out that moetunes
[20:17] <jobob> i am losing the plot here what is the problem
[20:17] <jobob> you are not giving enough info
[20:18] <mavErik> jobob: my laptop had finger print reader and it doesn't work under linux
[20:18] <jobob> obviously
[20:18] <mavErik> it was working under windows seven but never on linux system
[20:18] <moetunes> newyork: a google with the output from your lspci returns very little so generally the card works out of the box - try a google for your comp in www.google.com/linux
[20:19] <dolomite> mavErik: the driver is not pretty
[20:19] <mavErik> it could be used to do login instead insert your own password
[20:19] <mavErik> dolomite: no chance?
[20:19] <jobob> the finger print system is only conpattible with windows.
[20:19] <jobob> sorry
[20:19] <mavErik> jobob: the toshiba ones no..
[20:19] <jobob> ?
[20:19] <jobob> what you mean
[20:20] <newyork> moetunes, i installed my kubuntu 10.4 2 days ago and the sound worked fine, the problem is just since today, i guess kubuntu did a kernel update
[20:20] <mavErik> the toshiba finger print work also under linux
[20:20] <jobob> what is the maker of your finger print system
[20:20] <mavErik> with 2 package
[20:20] <mavErik> authentec??
[20:21] <jobob> WHO
[20:21] <jobob> MADE
[20:21] <mavErik> jobob: i don't know
[20:21] <jobob> YOUR
[20:21] <jobob> oh
[20:21] <mavErik> jobob:
[20:21] <FloodBotK1> jobob: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:21] <jobob> then i cant help
[20:21] <mavErik> jobob: i understand
[20:21] <dolomite> mavErik: the authentec is not going to work now in linux
[20:21] <moetunes> newyork: can you boot into the older kernel to check?
[20:21] <jobob> exactly
[20:21] <jobob> you cannot use it. sorry
[20:21] <dolomite> jobob: stop harrassing and try to help.
[20:21] <mavErik> ok...thanks to dolomite & jobob
[20:21] <jobob> tell the kubuntu team and see if they can help
[20:22]  * DarthFrog agrees with dolomite
[20:22] <jobob> sorry
[20:22] <dolomite> mavErik: there is a driver that exists but it's not really universal or stable.
[20:22] <dolomite> np
[20:22] <jobob> jobob disagrees with dolomite
[20:22] <mavErik> dolomite: where i can find it?
[20:22] <jobob> that is what i would say
[20:22] <jobob> ...
[20:22] <jobob> still i am still helping
[20:23] <dolomite> mavErik: http://home.gna.org/aes2501/index_en.html
[20:23] <newyork> hm i give it a try moetunes
[20:23] <dolomite> it's in SVN
[20:23] <djustice> erm. where did the usplash .so files go? default-settings?
[20:23] <jobob> if no one wants me i will count my self as a unhelpful little ****
[20:23] <dolomite> jobob: I haven't seen you accomplish anything today. and I'll leave it at that.
[20:23] <mavErik> dolomite: ok, thanks..i'm loking...wait
[20:23] <jobob> dolo i have done one thing....
[20:23] <djustice> jobob: go code up something kool. svn checkout foo.
[20:24] <dolomite> !fo
[20:24] <jobob> umm mav try tortoiseSVN to open that....
[20:24] <dolomite> !foo
[20:24] <djustice> !bar
[20:24] <jimmy51_> !baz
[20:24] <DarthFrog> I would like to remind folks that this channel is governed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[20:25] <jobob> no one even needs my help cos everyone thinks i know nothing
[20:25] <jobob> darth your not admin
[20:25] <jobob> ....
[20:25] <jimmy51_> ignore jobob
[20:25] <dolomite> jobob: quit trolling; we can become op to kick you if necessary.
[20:25] <djustice> jobob: wut? lots of people need your help. #kde and #kde-devel and #qt etc etc. have fun. :)
[20:26] <jobob> fine i will go do kde....
[20:26] <jobob>  bye bye....
[20:26] <jobob> email joshuabaymill@msn.com if you need help
[20:26] <DarthFrog> jobob: Perhaps you might sit back and lurk on the channel for a while to see how the community operates?
[20:27] <jobob> dude i know
[20:27] <dolomite> djustice: please explain to mavErik what he can use to get an SVN working
[20:27] <jobob> #kde is empty
[20:27] <jobob> i know how to do SVN`
[20:27] <jobob> s
[20:27] <dolomite> jobob: then cut to the chase and help mavErik without belittling him.
[20:28] <jobob> ...
[20:28] <dolomite> jobob: http://home.gna.org/aes2501/index_en.html
[20:28] <jobob> i was not
[20:28] <dolomite> jobob: there is a driver for his device. but it needs to be installed.
[20:28] <jobob> ok but i need to look up a SVN program that can run on linux
[20:29] <DarthFrog> !svn|jobob
[20:29] <dolomite> mavErik: you still there buddy?
[20:29] <mavErik> how can i use to open SVN?
[20:29] <jimmy51_> does anyone here use Cisco AnyConnect VPN Client with 64 bit kubuntu 10.04?  I get "server side certificate" issues, but googling shows it to be a local library problem, not server side.
[20:29] <jobob> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/86550/is-there-a-linux-ubuntu-svn-client-that-doesnt-suck
[20:30] <dolomite> mavErik: jobob's your man. he's researching
[20:30] <jobob> try looking at that
[20:30] <jobob> see if there is any questions that help
[20:30] <mavErik> sudo apt-get install subversion
[20:30] <administrator_> Can someone tell me what happended to PolicyKit in System Settings in Lucid?
[20:31] <mavErik> dolomite: ok, i put the firts string of your page in my terminal
[20:32] <jobob> here is a SVN client you can try aswell
[20:32] <jobob> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tortoisesvn/
[20:33] <jobob> ...
[20:33] <dolomite> administrator_: so you're trying to control policykit?
[20:33] <mavErik> jobob: thanks
[20:33] <jobob> mav try that one see if it helps
[20:33]  * starslights great's the chan
[20:34] <jobob> forget it it is not conpatible with linux damn
[20:34] <administrator_> dolomite: I'd like to, but I cant see it:)
[20:35] <dolomite> administrator_: do you have it? 'sudo aptitude show policykit
[20:35] <jobob> ah maverik i think i found a website that might help
[20:35] <jobob> http://data.agaric.com/node/1881
[20:36] <jobob> i gtg in a min
[20:36] <jobob> i think
[20:36] <administrator_> I have policykit-1 and policykit-desktop-privileges
[20:36] <administrator_> package policykit is not installed
[20:37] <administrator_> I've typed "aptitude search policykit" to see results
[20:37] <jobob> look mav try that website
[20:37] <dolomite> ok
[20:37] <DarthFrog> administrator_: Does "policytool" do what you want?
[20:37] <jobob> hey dolo i wonder if that http://data.agaric.com/node/1881 actully helps
[20:38] <mavErik> jobob: i tryied it...it ok1 thnak you
[20:38] <mavErik> !
[20:38] <jobob> did it help
[20:38] <administrator_> DarthFrog: never heard and I dont see it in repo
[20:38] <jobob> oh well thanks
[20:38] <jobob> remember the link
[20:38] <mavErik> jobob: sure1
[20:38] <mavErik> !
[20:38] <jobob> http://home.gna.org/aes2501/index_en.html
[20:39] <jobob> there
[20:39] <administrator_> I'll try now to install policykit but i have already policykit-1?
[20:39] <DarthFrog> administrator_: Just try running it from the command line.
[20:39] <jobob> Have A Nice Day!
[20:39] <mavErik> jobob:  "nice night"
[20:40] <administrator_> sorry, its not what I'm looking for
[20:40] <jobob> Goodbye. Send all out of my schedule questions to joshuabaymill@msn.com and i will get back to you
[20:40] <dolomite> administrator_: are you getting an error somewhere with policykit? or is there something that you need to configure?
[20:40] <dolomite> I ask because policykit has poor front-end management
[20:41] <administrator_> I have only package policykit-1 and not policykit (which I'm installing right now)
[20:42] <administrator_> but after installation I don't see the policykit applet in system settings:(
[20:42] <dolomite> administrator_: I'm not on my k machine right now but I dont think there is a policykit applet in system settings
[20:43] <administrator_> Does anyone have this applet in lucid?
[20:44] <dolomite> administrator_: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kde@lists.debian.org/msg30108.html
[20:44] <njathan> guys any ideas how to get the rotating 'busy' pointer (in firefox) back in kubuntu 10.04? This was a neat thing in 9.04, and my mom's confused about whats happening when she does not see that ! :-P
[20:45] <dolomite> I'm not sure you want policykit and policykit-1
[20:45] <reagleBRKLN> Help! I added 4.4.3 ppa as recommended on Kubuntu website and now my DE is broke. kdelibs5 requires => kdelibs5-data4.3.3a but 4.3.3 is to be installed
[20:45] <dolomite> njathan: are you talking about the rotating cursor?
[20:46] <demeo> Hi all. Is this possible to use 1360x768 resolution at TV connected as second monitor?
[20:46] <reagleBRKLN> I'm typing this in someone else's computer
[20:46] <administrator_> Hey dolomite thanks for this:)
[20:46] <njathan> dolomite: yeah... the one you see in firefox when its fetching a page
[20:46] <dolomite> administrator_: it doesn't look like it's a possibility until kde 4.5
[20:46] <administrator_> how did you find it if I may ask?
[20:46] <dolomite> administrator_: google
[20:46] <lucitu> looks like the 4.4.3 versioning is messed up?
[20:47] <dolomite> njathan: I always assumed it's part of your global mouse cursor settings
[20:47] <dolomite> njathan: which would be in system settings. you can choose the "look" of your cursor
[20:47] <lucitu> dependency bec of the 4.4.3a instead of 4.4.3?
[20:47] <sithlord48> demeo, it depends on if your tv supports that res or not.
[20:48] <dolomite> lucitu: I'm not sure I can help you but, has the 4.4.3 package been installed and configured?
[20:49] <lucitu> dolomite: they are supposed to be in the kubuntu-ppa/updates
[20:49] <njathan> dolomite: it actually works for apps which take time to load... but not any more in firefox
[20:49] <lucitu> look in kubuntu.org announcement
[20:49] <demeo> sithlord48, yes it's supports. See it in manual
[20:49] <dolomite> lucitu: and when you installed from command line, did the kde 4.4.3 install correctly?
[20:50] <sithlord48> demeo, have you tried to set it in system settings-> display?
[20:50] <speedvin> dolpmite: WHy not?
[20:50] <dolomite> njathan: weird. I'm surprised about that; there's probably a mozilla add-on huh?
[20:50] <lucitu> dolomite: lots of tobe removed and kept back
[20:50] <demeo> sithlord48, I see there only 4:3 resolutions, no 16:9
[20:50] <lucitu> dolomite
[20:50] <dolomite> speedvin: what?
[20:51] <dolomite> lucitu: sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a
[20:51] <lucitu> dolomite:  kdelibs5 depends on kdelibs5-data (>= 4:4.4.3a-0ubuntu1~ppa1); however
[20:51] <lucitu> dolomite: Version of kdelibs5-data on system is 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1.
[20:51] <sithlord48> demeo, ic. do ne of these reses work?
[20:51] <speedvin> dolomite: Why kde 4.3 from command line will not install good
[20:51] <speedvin> ?
[20:51] <skramer_> dolomite: I got same poblem as lucitu, tried aptitude safe-upgrade...
[20:51] <speedvin> won't install it goo*
[20:51] <dolomite> speedvin: I didn't say that. I'm asking him a question.
[20:51] <speedvin> won't install it good*
[20:51] <speedvin> ohh sorry
[20:52] <demeo> sithlord48, works. And auto too - setting res to 1024x768
[20:52] <asdzxc> hi
[20:52] <lucitu> skramer_: dolomite: look at the complaint above--4.4.3a vs.4.4.3
[20:52] <dolomite> lucitu: I'm on the case.
[20:53] <asdzxc> when i mount cdrom, the root directory has no 'x' permission so i cannot access the files. i tried to add umask=0000 and mode=0777 to fstab but without luck
[20:53] <demeo> sithlord48, setting 1360x768 in xorg.conf. After reboot no second monitor in nvidia-settings at all
[20:54] <skramer_> lucitu: yes, I noticed the 4.4.3a vs. 4.4.3 problem
[20:54] <sithlord48> demeo, have you tried to set this in nvidia-settings (as root)?
[20:54] <dolomite> lucitu: it's looking like the PPA method is not advised. what version of KDE did you have before the upgrade?
[20:54] <lucitu> dolomite: skramer_: the packages version are 4.4.3 but the control dependencies are looking for 4.4.3a
[20:55] <dolomite> lucitu: for the 5th time: I UNDERSTAND
[20:55] <dolomite> installing from PPAs are typically the newest unstable builds
[20:55] <lucitu> dolomite: what do you mean? it's announced in kubuntu.org
[20:55] <lucitu> to use the ppa for 4.4.3
[20:56] <dolomite> lucitu: did you notice that, when kubuntu 10.04 was a beta version, it was on kubuntu.org too?
[20:56] <dolomite> lucitu: kubuntu.org doesn't care if you break your system. they will support you if you want to try the latest things.
[20:57] <demeo> sithlord48, yes. Forgot to say TV is on tv-out port
[20:57] <demeo> sithlord48, not DVI
[20:57] <dolomite> lucitu: but it looks like you're having some issues with the PPA. I'd file a bug report
[20:57] <sithlord48> demeo, well if you want the settings to stay as your set them you have to set them in nvidia-settings as root.
[20:57] <skramer_> dolomite: to me it seems like that's just a typing mistake, except the "a" the version nos. are same
[20:58] <dolomite> skramer_: typically it would refer to an alpha version of something
[20:58] <demeo> sithlord48, as i mentioned it is NO 1360x768 resolution even in root
[21:00] <sithlord48> demeo, sounds like ur gonna have to set it in your xorg.conf. with a setting for the second monitor.
[21:00] <skramer_> dolomite: so I suspect the build of kdelibs5-data is not finished yet & so there is only the old alpha...
[21:00] <sithlord48> demeo, but i have not used a nvidia card long time..
[21:00] <skramer_> dolomite: maybe we just have to wait few more hours
[21:01] <demeo> sithlord48, set it, as root, but after reboot second monitor was gone, until set nvidia-auto in xorg.conf
[21:02] <reagleBRKLN> Has anyone else upgrade to 4.4.3? I added 4.4.3 ppa as recommended on Kubuntu website and now my DE is broke. kdelibs5 requires => kdelibs5-data4.3.3a but 4.3.3 is to be installed
[21:02] <dolomite> skramer_: lucitu: unless you can find and upgrade the kdelibs5
[21:02] <dolomite> haha!!
[21:02] <dolomite> we got 3 in here with that problem, reagleBRKLN
[21:02] <reagleBRKLN> oh
[21:03] <sithlord48> i would go so far to think that the libs are not up yet.
[21:03] <raindog> Also, are they using additional kubuntu ppa's as well?  Such as the beta?
[21:04] <raindog> I am, and it wanted to remove many packages (such beta of amarok) so I decided to wait til later.
[21:04] <dolomite> I'm assuming everyone only has ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa in their sources.list
[21:04] <sithlord48> staging but you prolly  don't want to play there yet..
[21:05] <reagleBRKLN> is there an easy way to go back... or do i remove all KDE, remove ppa, and reinstall? i only have command line on that computer now
[21:06] <sithlord48> remove the ppa and reinstall kubuntu-desktop , that should get u back.
[21:06] <reagleBRKLN> sithlord48: ok, will try
[21:06] <dolomite> sithlord48: reagleBRKLN: *remove PPA. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[21:07] <sithlord48> oh yes reinstall :P
[21:07] <jimmy51_> about to reboot after the upgrade.... hopefully i'll seeya in a few minutes
[21:07] <dolomite> sorry sithlord48, I wanted to ensure that he runs update before reinstalling
[21:08] <reagleBRKLN> neither are working...
[21:08] <sithlord48> dolomite, no its ok your correct
[21:08] <ArkoldThos> the update isn't working
[21:08] <ArkoldThos> just don't do it
[21:08] <ArkoldThos> x.x
[21:09] <dolomite> reagleBRKLN: what's the error?
[21:09] <dolomite> what does SC stand for again?
[21:10] <reagleBRKLN> ah whole slew of failed depends
[21:10] <sithlord48> software compliation
[21:11] <dolomite> reagleBRKLN: during the update or the reinstall?
[21:13] <reagleBRKLN> reinstall... deleted all kde from system, and trying to install kubuntu-desktop now
[21:14] <reagleBRKLN> 154 packages...
[21:14] <dolomite> reagleBRKLN: you deleted all KDE from your system?!
[21:15] <reagleBRKLN> yes
[21:15] <dolomite> via rm command or something? or via apt-get?
[21:15] <reagleBRKLN> synaptic, remotely
[21:15] <jimmy51_> back!  so far so good :)
[21:16] <dolomite> reagleBRKLN: alright, let us know how the reinstall goes
[21:17] <lucitu> reagleBRKLN: why reinstall?  just wait until they get it fixed and just reinstall the kde stuff
[21:18] <lucitu> am sure apachelogger is going to fix it..soon :)
[21:20] <sz0> hi.  is "search and launch" activity only available in netbook version?
[21:21]  * dolomite should really do something else with his day
[21:21] <apachelogger> lucitu: huh?
[21:21] <apachelogger> fix what?
[21:22] <DarthFrog> dolomite: Take your dog for  a walk.
[21:22] <lucitu> apachelogger: the ppa 4.4.3 pkgs are having dep prob..some pkg are looking for 4.4.3a when version installed is 4.4.3 w/o the 'a'
[21:22] <dolomite> DarthFrog: I'm visiting the parents for a few days before work starts; nothing to do here but wish I was at home with my 10.04
[21:22] <dolomite> anyway, I guess I'll go do dishes
[21:23] <jimmy51_> dang.  i thought 10.04 was supposed to support ipod touches...
[21:23] <jimmy51_> !itouch
[21:24] <jimmy51_> !ipod
[21:25] <jimmy51_> has anyone had luck with the ipod touch and 10.04?
[21:25] <sithlord48> gtkpod?
[21:26] <DarthFrog> iPods are nasty.  Can't even replace the battery.
[21:26] <DarthFrog> Nor do they play Ogg Vorbis.
[21:27] <jimmy51_> DarthFrog: correct, but this thing was free.  my wife got it as a door prize at a party.  i would never pay for such a thing
[21:27] <DarthFrog> Free is good. :-)
[21:27] <lelamal> Hi everyone, I have a question that is bugging me regarding RAM usage in Kubuntu. I have used Ubuntu for over 1 year, but don't remember seeing such numbers.
[21:28] <lelamal> So, as an example, Xorg builds up during the first hour or so, and for the rest of the day stabilizes at around 250M (system  monito), running Amarok uses about 120M, Konqueror 106M, Kontact 80M
[21:28] <jimmy51_> DarthFrog: free is good, but only when it works.  this thing has been such a pain.  the itunes software ground her old XP machine to a halt, and it seems to be tough to get it to work in kubuntu.
[21:28] <surfer24> hola a todos !!!
[21:28] <lelamal> what concerns me is most is the overall memory value, which throughout the day stays at around 1.2 GiB. Since I have 2,0, I'm not really worried, above all because it doesn't keep growing endlessly
[21:29] <DarthFrog> !es|surfer24
[21:29] <lelamal> but I still wonder: are such numbers normal? is it common to most kubuntu users, or is there something definitely wrong which I should investigate?
[21:29] <surfer24> thanks
[21:31] <apparle> why is it that ati driver can come in deb but flash needs to be downloaded
[21:42] <dolomite> DarthFrog: can ipods even support FLAC?
[21:46]  * dolomite told himself he was going to go onto more fruitful endeavors but dishes only took 10 minutes
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> Not without rockbox, iPods can't
[21:47] <dolomite> man I hate them ipods
[21:47] <reagleBRKLN> ok, i'm back. I recovered from 4.4.3a issue after much reinstalling of packages
[21:48] <dolomite> reagleBRKLN: good to hear it. I'm sure there are some that need to hear your method. PPA is dangerous!
[21:49] <reagleBRKLN> I just removed every KDE package I could using synaptic, and then tried to reinstall stuff
[21:49] <reagleBRKLN> which reminds me, this is your friend: dpkg --get-selections > pkgs
[21:51] <dolomite> and for pkgs, you put in 'kde' this time reagleBRKLN?
[21:52] <apparle> hey guys why are the flash files directly not packaged in the deb file itself
[21:52] <dolomite> apparle: the deb from adobe's site?
[21:54] <apparle> dolomite: no the one we use
[21:54] <apparle> !info flashplugin-installer
[21:54] <dolomite> apparle: so which file are you looking for to be packaged in the deb?
[21:55] <apparle> dolomite: the one which gets downloaded when you install that deb
[21:55] <apparle> dolomite: can't you see a flash plugin can't fit in 184kb
[21:56] <dolomite> apparle: isn't that one flashplugin-nonfree
[21:56] <dolomite> apparle: I can see that your question was stated differently than I would've expected.
[21:56] <apparle> dolomite: so why is it not included in the deb file itself
[21:57] <dolomite> haha, I'm confused dude
[21:57] <apparle> dolomite: and can you tell me how to frame it so that everyone can understand..... I am going to ask the same thing in ubuntu
[21:58] <dolomite> I can't advise you on how to phrase the question b/c I'm still unsure of what deb file you're referring to
[21:58] <dolomite> so maybe I'm just stupid today
[21:58] <apparle> dolomite: I'll simplify things
[21:59] <apparle> when you install that package.... (flashplugin-installer). a deb file is downloaded. and when a the deb file is being installed, another file is downloaded. Why is it that whole thing can't come in a deb file.
[21:59] <apparle> dolomite: ^
[22:01] <dolomite> apparle: to my knowledge, the flashplugin-installer provides flashplugin-nonfree
[22:01] <dolomite> so if you download the deb from adobe, you're really just downloading flashplugin-installer
[22:02] <apparle> dolomite: I am not downloading any deb file from adobe site
[22:02] <dolomite> apparle: if you do the apt-get install flashplugin-installer, you are.
[22:03] <apparle> I am talking of only the deb file which automatically gets downloaded when I type "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[22:04] <dolomite> apparle: flashplugin-nonfree is a transitional dummy package that should be removed after installing flashplugin-installer
[22:05] <apparle> dolomite: goddamn it
[22:05] <dolomite> language
[22:05] <apparle> dolomite: I am talking of only the deb file which automatically gets downloaded when I type "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[22:05] <apparle> it doesn't matter what command I give same thing happens
[22:06] <dolomite> apparle: you're making me feel pretty stupid here; what do you want that command to do?!
[22:06] <apparle> dolomite: sorry for the language
[22:06] <dolomite> ^
[22:07] <apparle> dolomite: basically whenever sudo apt-get install <something> is executed, then it downloads the .deb file for something and install it.
[22:07] <dolomite> apparle: I get that.
[22:07] <apparle> dolomite: but in case of flashplugin-nonfree another one gets downloaded and that's a tar.gz file
[22:08] <apparle> dolomite: so my question is why can't they fit that into the deb file itself
[22:08] <sithlord48> hey guys can someone help me fix my sound?
[22:09] <dolomite> apparle: it's worth checking the devs for that question. but flashplugin-nonfree is not going to be around for long
[22:09] <apparle> sithlord48: what happened
[22:09] <apparle> dolomite: why.... who's gonna replace it
[22:11] <apparle> dolomite: you still there
[22:13] <sithlord48> apparle, well i tried to play some sdl games. to find my sound only worked in kde applications, so i checked the mixer settings(there all good) and then i noticed pulseaudio installed so i removed it and now my sound card says it don't work (u know the pop up) tried to reinstall pulse it only seams to see my hdmi, so i need to either fix alsa , or make pulse use the other card (padevchooser never launced and i didn't see in paman or the
[22:13] <sithlord48>  other control stuffz for it ne thing to change it)
[22:14] <sithlord48> pulse has since been removed again. and no sound..
[22:14] <dolomite> apparle: as I said, flashplugin-installer is the new package
[22:14] <apparle> sithlord48: I don't know
[22:14] <sithlord48> apparle, some help u are :P
[22:15] <apparle> dolomite: ohhh man..... but still flashplugin-installer does the same thing
[22:15] <apparle> sithlord48: we I don't know so how could I help
[22:15] <dolomite> apparle: I'm done with this subject.
[22:15] <apparle> dolomite: but I didn't get the answer :(
[22:16] <sithlord48> apparle, that is exacly my problem idk , where to even start.
[22:18] <sithlord48> can anyone help me fix my sound, this is what happened. i tried to play some sdl games. to find my sound only worked in kde applications, so i checked the mixer settings(there all good) and then i noticed pulseaudio installed so i removed it and now my sound card says it don't work (u know the pop up) tried to reinstall pulse it only seams to see my hdmi, so i need to either fix alsa , or make pulse use the other card (padevchooser never
[22:18] <sithlord48>  launced and i didn't see in paman or the other control stuffz for it ne thing to change it)
[22:19] <dolomite> apparle: anybody that's not actively working on the package won't be able to answer your question.
[22:20] <sithlord48> apparle, the flashplugin-installer installs the flash plugin from adobe
[22:20] <apparle> sithlord48: but why is that so
[22:20] <dolomite> careful what you're getting yourself into sithlord
[22:21] <sithlord48> i don't get the question?
[22:21] <dolomite> licensing apparle
[22:21] <sithlord48> should it do something else?
[22:22] <sithlord48> or are you asking why the installer and not just the plugin?
[22:23] <cannonfodder> anyone know how i can redirect people to a webpage who connect to my wireless router?  basically like what a hotel does, they redirect you to their login page.
[22:23] <apparle> sithlord48: exactly
[22:25] <sithlord48> apparle, the short answer is this there package they release comes as a tar.gz, the "installer" basicly just dl's the newest and extracts it to the correct locations so you don't have to.
[22:26] <dolomite> thanks sithlord48, you have a better grasp on words than I could. sorry apparle
[22:26] <sithlord48> no problem :)
[22:27] <apparle> dolomite: but the tar.gz is downloaded from http://archive.canonical.com/
[22:28] <sithlord48> woot i found out why my sound broken :)
[22:28] <apparle> sithlord48: ^
[22:28] <apparle> dolomite: not for you
[22:28] <dolomite> sithlord48: whats the solution.
[22:28] <steaminc> whats the ubuntu channel?
[22:28] <apparle> sithlord48: and the name tells that the link is of kubuntu
[22:29] <steaminc> whats the ubuntu channel/
[22:29] <sithlord48> ok well my issue a bit different then a normal one i need timitidy to play midi , when i removed pulse it grabed timidity as main controller of my sound..
[22:29] <sithlord48> ubuntu channel for what now ?
[22:29] <dolomite> steaminc: #ubuntu
[22:29] <steaminc> thanks
[22:29] <apparle> sithlord48: :D
[22:30] <sithlord48> apparle, as i was starting to explain , it grabs adobes tar.gz, but form the ubuntu server because they only test the version on the ubuntu servers,
[22:31] <sithlord48> brb gonna test see if sound works.. (i know i could restart the service but i want to make sure it does it correctly it self)
[22:34] <sithlord48> JOY!!! :)
[22:34] <sithlord48> and it even now works w/ sdl :)
[22:35] <apparle> sithlord48: enjoy
[22:35] <sithlord48> nice, yea i had to basicly change an 'e' to an 's'
[22:36] <apparle> sithlord48: but if it can be on ubuntu servers..... why not in the deb file then
[22:36] <apparle> sithlord48: where did you change e to s
[22:36] <sithlord48> apparle /etc/default/timitidy device line :)
[22:37] <sithlord48> apparle, i would think cause its basicly not nessessary since its just unarchive to install
[22:43] <lucitu> the 4.4.3 pkgs are a mess..was able to get around but the kdebase-workspace*
[22:51] <benkevan> seems like a ton of people are having issues with 4.4.3
[22:51] <benkevan> any word on it being fixed?
[22:56] <lucitu> benkevan: looks like they are working on it tho not sure..the news announce in kubuntu.org has been removed..at least a good sign
[22:58] <lucitu> benkevan: good thing i have my debian sid/4.4.3
[22:58] <gnac> after a recent upgrade, plasma-desktop no longer autostarts.  plasma-desktop.desktop is in /usr/xdg/autostart.  I can manually start plasma-destktop after I log in.
[23:00] <sithlord48> it usually is a mess when the new kde version packages first hit the ppa..
[23:01] <sithlord48> i have found that unless i feel like dealing w/ some major package issues its best to wait just a few days before even trying to upgrade
[23:05] <gnac> sithlord48: bah, I hadn't realized I was getting a major upgrade.  Haven't accepted the upgrade to 10.4 lts yet.
[23:05]  * apparle finds it best to wait until these packages make to backport
[23:19]  * apparle is wondering, why kubuntu is so cool today
[23:19] <sithlord48> gnac did u install from the ppa?
[23:20]  * sithlord48 loves his kubuntu setup now that the sound is working again
[23:21] <apparle> sithlord48: I meant cool........... no activity in #kubuntu
[23:40] <yurimxpxman> I'm trying to play a Star Wars DVD in VLC but it crashes. Most other DVDs work. Any ideas why?
[23:44] <apparle> yurimxpxman: is it encrypted or something?.. or of different region. try a different player
[23:45] <yurimxpxman> apparle: none of the other players will do anything. K9copy crashes
[23:45] <yurimxpxman> apparle: tried dvd shrink in wine and it crashed
[23:46] <apparle> yurimxpxman: is your dvd too scratched.... can you read it at all
[23:46] <yurimxpxman> apparle: nothing wrong with the disk
[23:48] <apparle> yurimxpxman: you have libdvdcss?
[23:48] <yurimxpxman> apparle: yes
[23:48] <apparle> yurimxpxman: I am out of solutions
[23:48] <apparle> yurimxpxman: what all players did you try
[23:48] <dolomite> apparle: what's the issue?
[23:49] <apparle> dolomite: vlc crashes on dvd playback
[23:49] <dolomite> any error from terminal?
[23:49] <apparle> dolomite: libdvdcss installed.... no other players work
[23:50] <dolomite> so no errors?
[23:50] <apparle> yurimxpxman: try starting vlc from konsole and then open the dvd
[23:50] <yurimxpxman> apparle, dolomite: k9copy says "libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title [x] (VTS_[xx]_0.IFO)
[23:51] <apparle> yurimxpxman: so it seems the problem is with the DVD
[23:51] <apparle> yurimxpxman: what does vlc say.......
[23:51] <yurimxpxman> apparle: something about the new encryption, I think
[23:52] <apparle> yurimxpxman: tell exactly
[23:52] <apparle> !paste | yurimxpxman
[23:52] <yurimxpxman> apparle: cdda access error: could not read block [xxx] from disc
[23:52] <dolomite> I'm not sure if an invalid IFO would crash the program; at least that's weird
[23:52] <apparle> yurimxpxman: you are sure that libdvdcss is installed?
[23:52] <yurimxpxman> apparle: yes
[23:53] <dolomite> yurimxpxman: aptitude show libdvdcss2
[23:53] <Guest415> how can i determine if sun's java is installed.   java -version gives IcedTea.   I'm having problems and to try sun's
[23:53] <beta_> Hey, I am having some issues with audio on Kubuntu 10.04. Amarok and Dragon Player work great, I can hear stuff, But VLC and Flash Player give me issues. If it was a codec problem I would think VLC would refuse to play. Any ideas?
[23:53] <dolomite> beta_: how is VLC setup audio-wise?
[23:53] <yurimxpxman> apparle: http://pastebin.com/DUanCYjC
[23:54] <beta_> dolomite: defaults, let me check
[23:54] <beta_> Output: Default, Default Volume: 100%, Force Dolby Surround Sound: Auto
[23:54] <beta_> I've tried different settings for Output
[23:55] <apparle> yurimxpxman: I am not sure of medibuntu version but normal guide says https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[23:55] <yurimxpxman> apparle: already been down that road. I think it's a new version of encryption that isn't covered by this version of libdvdcss or something
[23:56] <apparle> yurimxpxman: maybe.... is the dvd very new?
[23:56] <Guest415> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre --> No candidate version found for sun-java6-jre  Does this mean it's already installed?   How do I check?
[23:56] <apparle> yurimxpxman: if that is the case, I am out of solutions
[23:56] <dolomite> Guest415: aptitude show sun-java6-jre
[23:57] <apparle> Guest415: the sun java has been removed from normal repos
[23:57] <apparle> !java
[23:57] <dolomite> yurimxpxman: did you upgrade?
[23:57] <beta_> dolomite: The only thing I can think of is Phonon working while others don't
[23:57] <dolomite> (from 9,10)
[23:57] <beta_> I don't think VLC uses phonon
[23:57] <dolomite> yes, I've only been able to get alsa playing nice with VLC
[23:58] <yurimxpxman> apparle: I'm still using kubuntu 8.04 so I haven't updated anything in a while. Have you had any issues like this?
[23:58] <yurimxpxman> sorry, I meant *dolomite
[23:59] <dolomite> yurimxpxman: oh. I didn't realize you're still on 8.04
[23:59] <dolomite> yurimxpxman: one sec
[23:59] <apparle> Guest415: do you have partner repository enabled
[23:59] <apparle> !partner