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| === salgado-afk is now known as salgado | ||
| === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch | ||
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| bac | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is bac. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| bac | hi who is here for today's reviewer meeting? | 15:00 |
| jelmer | me | 15:00 |
| mars | me | 15:00 |
| sinzui | me | 15:00 |
| abentley2 | me | 15:00 |
| adeuring | me | 15:00 |
| henninge | me | 15:00 |
| henninge | bac: danilo sends his apologies | 15:00 |
| leonardr | me | 15:00 |
| henninge | I think ;) | 15:00 |
| bac | gary, francis, julian are also away | 15:01 |
| mars | Foundations is here. Record time :) | 15:01 |
| BjornT | me (although a bit busy with other things) | 15:01 |
| noodles775 | me | 15:01 |
| bac | deryck too. is gmb around today? allenap? | 15:01 |
| gmb | me | 15:01 |
| gmb | bac, allenap is now a Landscaper for 6 moths. | 15:02 |
| adeuring | bac: allenap is on "LP holidays" | 15:02 |
| gmb | Er, months. | 15:02 |
| bac | ah, right | 15:02 |
| mars | gmb, ? Did I miss that in the staffing mail? | 15:02 |
| bac | salgado: ping | 15:02 |
| mars | bac, salgado is off to other projects as well | 15:03 |
| bac | right, right | 15:03 |
| gmb | mars, Possibly; I wasn't paying attention. But he's definitely on rotation to LS. | 15:03 |
| bac | [topic] agenda | 15:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 15:03 |
| bac | * Roll call | 15:03 |
| bac | * Agenda | 15:03 |
| bac | * Outstanding actions | 15:03 |
| bac | * Mentoring update | 15:03 |
| bac | * New topics | 15:03 |
| bac | * ec2 failures - bac | 15:03 |
| bac | * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair? | 15:03 |
| bac | * Peanut gallery | 15:03 |
| bac | [topic] outstanding actions | 15:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: outstanding actions | 15:03 |
| bac | * bac is a big loser | 15:03 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 15:03 |
| bac | i have two items on my plate that i haven't gotten to. i *promise* to do them tomorrow so i can go to UDS with a clear conscience | 15:04 |
| intellectronica | me | 15:04 |
| bac | [topic] rockstar to start ML discussion about the lack of UI reviews | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: rockstar to start ML discussion about the lack of UI reviews | 15:04 |
| bac | rockstar attends the AMEU meeting so he's not here now. i don't think he did this, though. | 15:05 |
| bac | he brought it up in the meeting last week and had good statistics on the number of UI reviews that have been performed lately and it was very low. | 15:05 |
| bac | i'll remind him to take it to the list and we can chat there | 15:05 |
| noodles775 | Yeah, I haven't seen any in a few weeks now (and few before) | 15:05 |
| intellectronica | bac: we've discussed this and we think the stats are wrong | 15:06 |
| bac | intellectronica: really? that's good to hear. | 15:06 |
| mars | intellectronica, bac, true, but that discussion can probably be saved for the list | 15:07 |
| bac | sinzui: what is your impression? have you been doing many? | 15:07 |
| intellectronica | because of ec2 land people don't commit with the quite tag | 15:07 |
| sinzui | I was doing many in week 1 and 2 | 15:07 |
| sinzui | 1 last week | 15:07 |
| gmb | bac, intellectronica and sinzui did 3 or for for me last cycle, for sure. | 15:07 |
| bac | intellectronica: why is that? i thought ec2 land did a good job of getting the ui tag? | 15:07 |
| * intellectronica shuts up | 15:07 | |
| gmb | s/last/this | 15:07 |
| sinzui | I think this may be indicative that UI should land in weeks 0, 1, and 2 | 15:07 |
| gmb | bac, Only if you tag the review with 'ui' in the mp. | 15:08 |
| gmb | Otherwise I think it just puts all the names in the [r=] block. | 15:08 |
| bac | gmb: ah, so we need to ensure the ui reviewers are tagging correctly or the MP author does it right. | 15:08 |
| gmb | Yes | 15:08 |
| bac | that's good information to pass on. | 15:08 |
| bac | so we have a failure in tools/procedure not lack of reviewing. hurrah. | 15:09 |
| bac | moving on | 15:09 |
| bac | [topic] * ec2 failures - bac | 15:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * ec2 failures - bac | 15:09 |
| bac | mars and i chatted this morning and we wanted to hear from people how often they are seeing ec2 jobs just disappear and the effect it is having. | 15:10 |
| bac | personally i see it a lot and it is very disruptive | 15:10 |
| jelmer | bac: I'm often seeing branches disappear, and it's quite annoying. | 15:10 |
| bac | for important branches i've been running them locally | 15:10 |
| mars | So far I know salgado and matsubara have both experienced a few test suite hangs in the past few days | 15:10 |
| bac | also, my ec2 bill last month was 4 times normal | 15:10 |
| gmb | bac, I've seen it happen twice this week already, it's getting annoyingly common. | 15:11 |
| gmb | I don't see many branches hanging; they just vanish. | 15:11 |
| bac | so how can we attack this problem to figure out what is going on? | 15:11 |
| mars | gmb, the instance dies? | 15:11 |
| jelmer | I haven't seen any hanging branches either (or do they get killed automatically?) | 15:11 |
| mars | jelmer, ^ ? | 15:11 |
| salgado | the ec2 instance shuts itself down after 8h | 15:11 |
| gmb | salgado, Ah, so they might well be hangs then. | 15:12 |
| noodles775 | I've killed one hanging ec2 land after the log had not been updated for 2hrs. | 15:12 |
| mars | salgado, thanks, that is good to know | 15:12 |
| salgado | if it's left hung for long enough, it will shut down and you won't get any notifications | 15:12 |
| noodles775 | (last week) | 15:12 |
| jelmer | mars: yeah, it just disappears silently | 15:12 |
| bac | did we have this problem before jml's subunit changes? | 15:12 |
| mars | jelmer, think it is inside our outside that 8 hour window? | 15:12 |
| jelmer | mars: outside probably | 15:13 |
| mars | ok | 15:13 |
| salgado | bac, I think we had it before. do you know when the subunit changes landed? | 15:13 |
| mars | bac, the changes and fixes landed the 14th of April, your fix landed on the 21st | 15:13 |
| jelmer | I've definitely seen it before his changes as well. | 15:14 |
| bac | jelmer: ok, thanks. | 15:14 |
| mars | jelmer, salgado, that is also good to know. Thanks. | 15:14 |
| mars | For everyone's benefit, I am tracking progress on this with Bug 570380 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 570380 in launchpad-foundations "ec2test sometimes hangs on the first windmill test" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570380 | 15:15 |
| bac | thanks mars | 15:15 |
| mars | I have some solutions being worked on for this, I will keep everyone updated as things progress | 15:15 |
| bac | i guess i'd encourage everyone to not just suffer in silence but (kindly) let mars know when it happens and try to gather some data | 15:16 |
| bac | [topic] * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair? | 15:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair? | 15:16 |
| bac | i'm at UDS next week and a few others as well. | 15:16 |
| bac | shall we just skip the meeting? | 15:16 |
| bac | or would someone like to volunteer to lead it? | 15:16 |
| bac | i think the group silence is a vote to skip. | 15:17 |
| bac | [action] bac cancels next week's reviewers meeting | 15:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bac cancels next week's reviewers meeting | 15:17 |
| bac | [topic] mentoring update | 15:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mentoring update | 15:17 |
| bac | noodles775, jelmer: everything still going well? | 15:18 |
| noodles775 | Yep... although more non-soyuz reviews for jelmer would still be great :) | 15:18 |
| jelmer | I reviewed only two branches last week, mostly because I was distracted by other things. It's all going well otherwise though imo. | 15:18 |
| jelmer | and yeah, more non-soyuz branches please :-) | 15:19 |
| bac | [topic] peanut gallery | 15:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: peanut gallery | 15:19 |
| maxb | I have a peanut item: https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewingCodeImports claims that community members can be members of ~vcs-imports, however, when it was brought up on the mailing list (subj: Code Import Reviews), the thread fizzled out with me producing a list of places where ~vcs-imports perhaps granted too-wide permissions. Someone should decide whether community members really _can_ be in ~vcs-imports or not, and either change the wi | 15:19 |
| maxb | ki page or work out how to make it happen. | 15:19 |
| bac | hi maxb | 15:19 |
| maxb | I believe this might dovetail with the promised community reviewers email :-) | 15:20 |
| bac | thanks for bringing that up max. | 15:20 |
| bac | maxb: touche | 15:20 |
| wgrant | Promised, legendary, or mythical? | 15:20 |
| wgrant | It seems to be in the realms of legend at the moment :P | 15:20 |
| bac | maxb: i'll bring it up in the ameu meeting this afternoon | 15:21 |
| maxb | thanks | 15:21 |
| sinzui | Looks like poolie and members of the Launchpad-code team can add you gentlemen | 15:21 |
| bac | any other topics? | 15:21 |
| mars | wgrant, it's not mythical, I've seen it! I swear! | 15:21 |
| bac | it's right there in my drafts folder, wgrant. really it is. | 15:21 |
| wgrant | Oh! | 15:22 |
| bac | going once | 15:22 |
| bac | twice | 15:22 |
| bac | thanks for coming everyone. | 15:22 |
| bac | * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair? | 15:22 |
| bac | er, | 15:22 |
| mars | thanks bac | 15:22 |
| bac | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:22. | 15:22 |
| abentley | thank, bac | 15:22 |
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| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch | ||
| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
| === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha | ||
| === salgado is now known as salgado-afk | ||
| bac | thumper, rockstar: ping | 22:43 |
| thumper | hi | 22:44 |
| rockstar | bac, we're still on the standup... | 22:44 |
| bac | ok | 22:44 |
| bac | how long until you're done? | 22:44 |
| rockstar | bac, depends on chatty thumper | 22:44 |
| thumper | :-| | 22:45 |
| thumper | done now | 22:45 |
| bac | ok, then? do i hear a chorus of 'me'? | 22:45 |
| rockstar | me | 22:46 |
| * rockstar choruses | 22:46 | |
| bac | so in the ameu meeting we determined i was slack for not getting to my tasks | 22:46 |
| rockstar | I am also slack for not sending an email in my drafts folder about UI reviews. | 22:46 |
| thumper | what tasks? | 22:46 |
| bac | we also talked about rockstar's concerns about the UI reviews | 22:46 |
| rockstar | bac, yay. | 22:46 |
| bac | thumper: the same stuff that i've been ignoring: community review policy and what constitutes testable documentation | 22:47 |
| thumper | :) | 22:47 |
| rockstar | bac, I has an announcement... | 22:47 |
| bac | rockstar: so the concensus is it isn't as bad as your data showed. just that UI reviewers are marking the MP properly so ec2 land doesn't construct the correct PQM message | 22:47 |
| rockstar | bac, ah, that's what I was being told. | 22:48 |
| bac | we also talked some about the problem with ec2 losing branches with no email | 22:48 |
| rockstar | However, as a ui reviewer, I still don't feel as overwhelmed as I should be... | 22:48 |
| bac | it is really hurting us in lost time. | 22:48 |
| thumper | bac: that'll be the hang followed by the belt and braces shutdown | 22:49 |
| bac | thumper: what do you mean? | 22:49 |
| thumper | bac: perhaps the shutdown code should also email just before | 22:49 |
| rockstar | thumper, you mean "suspenders" ? | 22:49 |
| rockstar | :) | 22:49 |
| thumper | when the ec2 instances start up | 22:49 |
| thumper | we have some code that says | 22:49 |
| thumper | shutdown in 8 hours | 22:49 |
| thumper | or 6 | 22:49 |
| thumper | whatever | 22:49 |
| thumper | a test hangs | 22:50 |
| thumper | machine gets shut down | 22:50 |
| thumper | no email | 22:50 |
| rockstar | thumper, although this doesn't always happen for me. | 22:50 |
| rockstar | Sometimes the machine is still running 10 hours later. | 22:50 |
| bac | thumper: hmm, i didn't know that. i'll suggest it to mars | 22:50 |
| thumper | so perhaps before shutdown it should send suicide email | 22:50 |
| bac | thumper: indeed | 22:50 |
| rockstar | The subject should be "Goodbye cruel world" | 22:51 |
| bac | we also had this item from maxb: | 22:51 |
| bac | I have a peanut item: https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewingCodeImports claims that community members can be members of ~vcs-imports, however, when it was brought up on the mailing list (subj: Code Import Reviews), the thread fizzled out with me producing a list of places where ~vcs-imports perhaps granted too-wide permissions. Someone should decide whether community members really _can_ be in ~vcs-imports or not, and either change the wi | 22:51 |
| bac | ki page or work out how to make it happen. | 22:51 |
| thumper | a bug should be filed about permissions that they shouldn't have | 22:52 |
| thumper | and we'll fix it | 22:52 |
| thumper | when the bugs are fixed | 22:52 |
| thumper | we could open it up again | 22:52 |
| bac | so 1) file bug on extra permissions, 2) fix bug, 3) open vcs-imports to community peeps? | 22:52 |
| thumper | aye | 22:53 |
| bac | excellent | 22:53 |
| bac | i'll find max's email and either file the bug or ask him to do it. | 22:53 |
| bac | [action] bac to see that a bug is filed about vcs-import permissions being to generous | 22:53 |
| thumper | cool | 22:54 |
| bac | also, i'm going to be at UDS next week so i'm cancelling this meeting. | 22:54 |
| bac | either of you going? | 22:54 |
| thumper | ack | 22:54 |
| thumper | nope | 22:54 |
| mars | thumper, good idea about the shutdown mail, I've noted it. | 22:54 |
| rockstar | nope | 22:54 |
| bac | i've heard to expect cold, rain, and extreme boringness of venue | 22:54 |
| rockstar | bac, I have an announcement. | 22:54 |
| bac | yes rockstar | 22:55 |
| * thumper has something to | 22:55 | |
| rockstar | bac, noodles sent me an email today telling me to go ahead and announce that I'm a graduated UI reviewer. | 22:55 |
| bac | oh congratulations! | 22:55 |
| bac | so who are the full-fledged reviewers? just you and noodles? | 22:56 |
| thumper | what about sinzui? | 22:56 |
| bac | i thought sinzui was still a UI-mentat | 22:56 |
| thumper | I've heard that noodles thinks he is good enough but sinzui is resisting | 22:57 |
| sinzui | I am | 22:57 |
| thumper | sinzui: stop resisting | 22:57 |
| thumper | resistance is futile | 22:57 |
| bac | uh oh, we woke him | 22:57 |
| rockstar | sinzui is gradiated. | 22:57 |
| * thumper sooths sinzui back to sleep | 22:57 | |
| bac | congrats sinzui too | 22:57 |
| bac | thumper what was your item? | 22:57 |
| thumper | ok | 22:57 |
| sinzui | I am was mentoring intellectronica, but then he abandoned me. | 22:58 |
| thumper | more of a reminder for people to read my emails to launchpad-dev | 22:58 |
| thumper | there are two new testing things: | 22:58 |
| thumper | a better base breadcrumb test case, which uses test_traverse | 22:58 |
| bac | thumper: i read those. i meant to bring them up today in ameu but forgot. | 22:58 |
| thumper | and self.oopses in the base TestCase class | 22:58 |
| thumper | I wrote up details for launchpad-dev | 22:58 |
| thumper | so details are there | 22:58 |
| sinzui | No one wants to be a UI reviewer. They do not like the cool sun glasses and hair cuts you get when you join the club | 22:59 |
| bac | and i'll certainly forget again in two weeks time | 22:59 |
| bac | thanks for those nice new tools thumper | 22:59 |
| thumper | np | 22:59 |
| rockstar | sinzui, I like my haircut! :) | 22:59 |
| thumper | rockstar: isn't yours more like a lack of haircut? | 22:59 |
| thumper | :) | 22:59 |
| bac | which haircut are you sporting now paul? | 23:00 |
| rockstar | thumper, point | 23:00 |
| rockstar | bac, the unkempt "I haven't showered in 12 days" haircut. | 23:00 |
| bac | uh, nice | 23:00 |
| rockstar | It's called "hat" | 23:00 |
| bac | well i see we have devolved | 23:00 |
| bac | thanks for chatting. see you again in two weeks | 23:00 |
| sinzui | I think bathing is a quality of successful engineers | 23:01 |
| thumper | thansk back | 23:01 |
| thumper | thanks bac | 23:01 |
| * mars hands sinzui the "Non-sequitur of the Week" award | 23:02 | |
| mars | :) | 23:02 |
| maxb | bac: Hello, the email of mine you referred to finding during the reviewers meeting is https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg03197.html | 23:18 |
| bac | thanks maxb! | 23:18 |
| bac | maxb: i filed bug 576090 | 23:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 576090 in launchpad-code "~vcs-imports team need privileges review" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/576090 | 23:22 |
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