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ddecatoris firefox supposed to have an option to report an incompatible website? there is a bug saying it's missing, but i haven't noticed it in the help menu before05:57
micahghmmm05:58
micahgthere used to be, but idr if it was only upstream version05:58
ddecatorbug 57251005:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 572510 in firefox "Firefox don't show the option "informar de sitio web incompatible" (inform incompatible website) under the help menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57251005:59
micahgddecator: have an old live CD to test with?06:09
ddecatormicahg: hm, let me check...06:09
ddecatormicahg: karmic is the oldest i have at school. i *might* have a jaunty disk at home, but i won't be home for over a week06:10
micahgddecator: k, karmic should work06:10
micahgor I can test in the morning06:10
ddecatormicahg: alright, i'll take a look in a few minutes06:11
ddecatorstill trying to find an upstream report for that SVG bug..06:11
ddecatorwhich i'm still not finding one, but so far the ones i've looked at are closed as "Words for me" if the bug is fixed in trunk06:13
ddecators/Words/Works06:14
ddecatoranyway, i'll go test the first bug with my live cd. bbiab06:17
ddecatormicahg: didn't see it on karmic. checked windows while i was at it, and it just had "Report broken webpage" or something like that, which i'm guessing is what the report means...i also tested the SVG bug on karmic and windows and it definitely happens in <ff3.706:37
micahgddecator: k, I'll have to check in the morning if that was removed on purpose06:38
ddecatormicahg: sounds good. do you think the svg problem is worth me reporting upstream?06:38
micahgddecator: idk, I forgot they had a bug day today and it would've been the perfect time to ask06:39
ddecatormicahg: upstream has bug days too? is there an irc channel it's in?06:39
micahgddecator: different channels depending on which team upstream, but yes06:40
ddecatoroh nice06:40
ddecatormicahg: maybe worth asking in #firefox?06:44
micahgddecator: sure06:46
* micahg is going to bed06:47
ddecatoralright, night micahg06:49
BUGabundo_remoteI may be sick, but I'm unbreakable. \w/08:26
BUGabundo_remoteWTF11:03
BUGabundo_remoterestarted chromioum11:03
BUGabundo_remoteand X restarted :(11:03
DASPRiD(in which way is chromium mozilla related? :))11:03
BUGabundo_remoteDASPRiD: its chromium... fta looks after it11:04
BUGabundo_remotethis hasn't been *mozilla* only # for a long long time11:04
DASPRiDah11:05
BUGabundo_remotefta: and its gmail that's making it crash11:09
BUGabundo_remote6.0.396.0 (46428) Ubuntu11:10
BUGabundo_remoteProgram terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed.11:20
BUGabundo_remoteThe program no longer exists.11:20
BUGabundo_remotefta: ^^^11:20
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asacfta: chromium in debian experimental now :) ... seems ftp masters didnt like to cross check all copyright stuff ;)13:36
asaccongrats. great step in right direction13:37
jdstrandchrisccoulson: hey-- so I made one more commit to the tree for bug #57012814:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 570128 in firefox "apparmor profile blocks Sun Java plugin" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57012814:01
jdstrandchrisccoulson: I also tried to contact pitti a few minutes ago-- he is travelling14:01
jdstrandchrisccoulson: he'll be back online in a few hours14:01
jdstrandchrisccoulson: if you have to do this *now*, then just push without the apparmor stuff14:02
jdstrandchrisccoulson: otherwise I'll ask him when he is available14:02
BUGabundo_remoteasac instead say: BROKEN chromium in debian unstable :(14:04
asacheh14:11
asacBUGabundo_remote: why is it broken?14:11
BUGabundo_remoteProgram terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed.14:14
BUGabundo_remoteThe program no longer exists.14:14
BUGabundo_remote(gdb)14:14
BUGabundo_remoteasac ^^14:14
BUGabundo_remoteeven worse. when I restarted it this morning for erratic behaviour14:14
BUGabundo_remoteit restarted X14:14
BUGabundo_remotewe all know google has been beefing their browser to be an OS14:15
BUGabundo_remotebut to crash an X server is tooooooo much :(14:15
micahghi chrisccoulson14:45
chrisccoulsonhi micahg, how are you?14:55
micahggood14:55
micahgunfortunately, I have to run soon, but I was thinking, what about a generic mozilla team blueprint/session at UDS14:55
chrisccoulsonwe could do, as long as we have some scope for it beforehand14:56
micahgchrisccoulson: k, I'd like to discuss later14:56
chrisccoulsoncool, sounds good14:57
micahgbdrung: is there anything we can do to eclipse re xulrunner-1.9.115:00
bdrungmicahg: yes: figuring out why setting MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME is not enough15:24
micahgbdrung: k15:25
bdrungi couldn't reproduce the issue on my systems (with xulrunner-1.9.1 installed)15:25
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chrisccoulsonccheney, were you planning to backport libsoup to hardy too?15:59
BUGabundo_remotefta: around? I can't start Ch in debug mode :(16:05
BUGabundo_remoteProgram received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.16:07
BUGabundo_remote[Switching to Thread 0x7fffec3dd910 (LWP 20933)]16:07
BUGabundo_remote0x00007ffff3a4296b in write () from /lib/libpthread.so.016:07
BUGabundo_remotefinally something16:07
BUGabundo_remotefta: asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428361/16:10
ccheneychrisccoulson: i had that done, but maybe you should take a look to see if i did it right?16:32
chrisccoulsonccheney - i wasn't sure whether you considered making webkit work with the old libsoup or not, but i just tried to do that (and it's a lot of work)16:33
chrisccoulsonso, if we're happy to backport libsoup, then that makes life easier16:33
chrisccoulsonbut obviously there are a lot more things to test16:34
asacchrisccoulson: imo the libsoup stuff etc done is all the right approach16:36
BUGabundo_remotert @microft: Oh, look. Chromium 6 (svn) just came down the pipes.16:36
ccheneychrisccoulson: ok16:36
asacchrisccoulson: or did you get crashes because of that?16:36
chrisccoulsonasac - no, the libsoup stuff is mostly fine, but i wasn't sure whether we wanted to backport the whole of libsoup just for epiphany / webkit16:38
asacchrisccoulson: no ... right16:38
asacchrisccoulson: what is left is renaming soname and package16:38
asacso we can ship that in parallel16:38
asacchrisccoulson: and .pc files etc.16:39
chrisccoulsonok, that makes sense16:39
asacso no update of soup, but rather ship in parallel16:39
asacunfortunately we couldnt do the same with gtk and glib because of plugins that excpet a specific soname16:39
asacwhich is why we are doing all the painful stuff we do atm16:39
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micahg\o/ chrmoium 618:24
ftaBUGabundo_remote, which version? (add it to the paste next time)18:29
BUGabundo_remotefta:   Installed: 6.0.396.0~svn20100505r46428-0ubuntu1~ucd1~karmic19:03
BUGabundo_remoteon debian :)19:03
ftaBUGabundo_remote, doing what?19:05
BUGabundo_remoteopening :)19:07
BUGabundo_remotestart having prob this morning after the update19:07
BUGabundo_remoteit was so weird I restarted it19:07
BUGabundo_remotewhen I started it, X restarted too19:08
BUGabundo_remotehow weird, right?19:08
BUGabundo_remotethen started Ch with -g19:08
BUGabundo_remoteand I get that19:08
ftahttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/05/ie9-platform-preview-2-arrives-with-small-performance-boost.ars20:19
BUGabundoback20:20
micahgchrisccoulson: I'll have the seamonkey patch I need ready by morning20:38
micahgchrisccoulson: do you want to chat about a possible mozilla session20:38
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ftamicahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre  ??21:36
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, we can chat about that in a minute, i'm just going to move my laptop downstairs for the evening21:40
BUGabundo_Chuckmicahg: fta: flash still not fixed in chromium ?? :(22:00
ftano idea, wfm with 5.0.396.0, but the i386 builders hate me22:01
micahgfta: not our project22:07
ftamicahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/seamonkey222:07
ftayeah22:07
micahgBUGabundo_Chuck: I don't help maintain chromium yet22:07
BUGabundo_Chuckmicahg: yah but you mention flash the other day22:07
micahgBUGabundo_Chuck: I did?  idr22:08
micahgfta: I meant to talk to him about that, I don't think there should be 2 projects for Seamonkey22:08
ftaBUGabundo_Chuck, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG022:10
BUGabundo_Chuckfta: no prob in youtube site, cause I have it set to html522:10
BUGabundo_Chuckbut embeded fails to use the controls22:10
ftai meant, watch it22:10
BUGabundo_Chuckaaahhh22:10
BUGabundo_ChuckI'm blond!22:10
BUGabundo_Chuckyou have be specifica22:11
BUGabundo_Chucklol22:13
BUGabundo_ChuckI read about it on one of my blogs22:13
BUGabundo_Chuckbut couldn't watch it :)22:13
micahgchrisccoulson: ping me when you're ready22:15
ftaBUGabundo_Chuck, seems there's a new UI in youtube/flash, it works for me (32bit)22:20
BUGabundo_ChuckI don't care about flash22:20
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i've got a few minutes spare now22:20
fta<evmar> fta: yes, it's nspluginwrapper again :~(22:21
fta<evmar> fta: i fixed it on the beta branch22:21
fta<evmar> fta: i noticed that the ubuntu one is obsolete now, i was gonna wait a few more days before asking you about it22:21
ftaBUGabundo_Chuck, ^^22:21
BUGabundo_Chuckboo22:21
micahgchrisccoulson: so, I think this general session should focus on any non-apport related stuff for the team22:21
chrisccoulsonyeah, sounds good. we've already got an apport session scheduled anyway22:21
chrisccoulsonhave you seen the schedule btw?22:22
micahgchrisccoulson: feedback from people what they'd like to see us accomplish for maverick, what we'd like to accomplish as well22:22
micahgchrisccoulson: not recently, I need to sign up for my sessions tonight22:22
micahgchrisccoulson: do I need to ask rick if I want to schedule another session?22:22
chrisccoulsonyeah, i think you'd need to speak to rick or jcastro to schedule another session in22:23
micahgah, right, he's on european time, will check with him in the morning22:23
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micahgchrisccoulson: is there anything you'd like to see in the blueprint22:25
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i haven't really had much time to think about what i'd like to do next cycle yet. do you have much feedback already from the community?22:25
micahgchrisccoulson: no, I figured that's what the session is for22:26
ftamicahg: 64bit flash?22:27
micahgfta: if Adobe does it :)22:27
chrisccoulsonheh22:28
chrisccoulsonfta - are you at UDS too?22:28
micahgfta: unfortunately, we have no control over that one, once it's out, I'll push for inclusion and backport/SRU22:30
ftachrisccoulson, nope, i don't feel like my contribution was high enough this cycle22:30
chrisccoulsonfta - really? i think other people would disagree with you there ;)22:31
jcastrochrisccoulson, evmartin will be at uds btw22:31
micahgfta: apparently sabdfl mentioned that there might be a discussion of chome vs ff as default browser22:31
chrisccoulsonjcastro - thanks, i noticed that too22:32
chrisccoulsonmicahg - there is22:32
chrisccoulsonone second, i'll find the spec22:32
ftachrisccoulson, for most, i'm evil, just sucking builder resources, i just get complains about broken builds all the time22:32
micahgjcastro: so, can we have a generic session for the mozilla team?22:32
jcastrosure22:33
jcastrowe always have plenty of mozilla sessions, I'm surprised it's not on there already22:33
ftachrisccoulson, so basically, i feel like dropping the ball completely :(22:33
micahgjcastro: k, I'll write a basic blueprint, should I ping you after I write it tonight or will you see it?22:33
chrisccoulsonfta - no need to feel like that :( who's complaining about broken builds?22:34
jcastromicahg, make sure it's named "desktop-m-$whatever" and that you set rick spencer as approver and sprint as "uds-m"22:34
ftachrisccoulson, i get ~5 emails a day22:34
chrisccoulsonfta - i tend to ignore mails from people who complain (unless it's a constructive complaint, of course)22:35
BUGabundoDrHousehttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/122396.html22:35
ftanow, it's "when will lucid will have the new beta", and i don't know how i could make that happen. it's ready in the branch, but i'm out of ideas22:35
jcastromicahg, if by say Friday it hasn't been scheduled ping me22:35
micahgjcastro: got it, thanks22:36
chrisccoulsonmicahg - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-desktop-application-selection22:36
* micahg should definitely go :_)22:36
chrisccoulsonsubscribe at your peril - i've had a lot of bug spam from someone constantly editing that blueprint today ;)22:36
jcastrofta, doesn't it take like at least a day or so for it to show up in the PPA builds?22:36
micahgchrisccoulson: I have blueprints filtered :)22:36
chrisccoulsonheh22:36
chrisccoulsonjcastro - did you assign evmartin to that blueprint then?22:37
chrisccoulsons/assign/subscribe22:37
jcastrochrisccoulson, yes22:37
jcastrosomeone did22:37
ftajcastro, pff, it's disaster at the moment. i386 all broken and for #launchpad, i'm just a moaner :(22:37
ftahttps://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages22:37
jcastrofta, I'll bring it up at UDS with an lp person22:38
ftaall 7h, still counting22:38
ftaexpected 2~3h22:38
jcastrodo we still need jaunty?22:38
ftayes, i often get requests for it22:39
chrisccoulsoni'm surprised anybody still uses jaunty ;)22:39
micahgchrisccoulson: did you find out if hardy->intrepid->jaunty is still supported22:39
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i think mvo is going to make sure that hardy->intrepid updates are no longer offered22:40
chrisccoulsonso we don't need to worry about that upgrade path22:40
ftain 4h, the bot will kick in, and with those unfinished builds, it will break all the arch all packages, meaning no translation for 64bit users, and no chromium at all for 32bit users22:40
micahgchrisccoulson: k, good, then we can just test hardy -> lucid 3.6->3.6 upgrades22:41
chrisccoulsonyeah, that should be fine22:41
micahgchrisccoulson: did you decide where we should stage the stuff for hardy?  transition PPA?22:41
micahgsecurity PPA?22:42
ftaif it's still like that tomorrow, i will shut down the bot, there's no point losing resources22:42
chrisccoulsoni think we should create a transition PPA for the bulk of the work22:42
micahgchrisccoulson: we have 1 transition PPA that I've been using for the xul rdepends22:42
chrisccoulsonthe actual firefox update could go in -security, but i'd need to discuss with jdstrand how he'd prefer to handle that22:42
micahgchrisccoulson:  there should be enough room for firefox/Seamonkey builds22:42
chrisccoulsonwe'd need to also host the ported xulrunner rdepends and updated extensions too22:43
micahgchrisccoulson: should I create/push the thunderbird-stable PPA tonight?22:43
micahgchrisccoulson: I'll clear out older stuff from the PPA that's no longer needed, we have 4GB of space, should be enough22:43
chrisccoulsonwe can always request more space if we need it22:44
chrisccoulsonyou want to create a new PPA for thunderbird stable releases (similar to firefox-stable)?22:44
micahgchrisccoulson: yes22:44
micahgchrisccoulson: unless we're pushing 3.0.x to stable releases soon22:45
jcastrofta, the -beta shows published 22 hours ago22:45
ftajcastro, in the ppa, yes, but not in lucid22:45
chrisccoulsonyeah, that sounds like a reasonable idea for now. i'm not sure exactly when we'll push 3.0.x to stable releases. do you know how much support is left on 2.0.0.x?22:46
micahgchrisccoulson: none22:46
jcastrofta, OH.22:46
chrisccoulsonah, bugger ;)22:46
micahgchrisccoulson: asac wanted us to try to backport patches22:46
jcastrofta, I thought we were just going to SRU them and also switch to -stable22:46
chrisccoulsonso, we're in the same situation as ff3.0 atm then22:46
jcastrofta, when -stable is ready I mean22:47
micahgchrisccoulson: yes, and Seamonkey as well22:47
ftajcastro, what when there's no security fix involved?22:47
micahgchrisccoulson: speaking on Seamonkey, so you need me to do anything with that (PPA-wise)?22:47
chrisccoulsonmicahg, how feasible do you think it is to backport patches? do you think it's enough to monitor the security fixes in 3.0.x and then see what is applicable for backporting?22:47
ftajcastro, it's just an update: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/05/beta-channel-update.html22:48
jcastrofta, I remember having this discussion22:48
jcastrowith them at UDS.22:48
jcastroand I thought the plan was to just follow upstream with little to no modificationsd22:48
jcastrootherwise, what's the point of putting an old beta in the archive?22:48
micahgchrisccoulson: I don't know what's entailed, but 3.0.x is a total rewrite, so I don't think it's feasible22:48
micahg*almost total22:49
chrisccoulsonso, really we need to get tb3.0.x in too22:49
ftajcastro, yes, i wanted that too, i filed a request through a bug (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/561510/comments/0) but asac vetoed me22:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 561510 in chromium-browser "FFe and new upstream as security updates for chromium-browser" [Undecided,Fix released]22:49
micahgchrisccoulson: unless asac knows something I don't about how much changed (possible)22:49
jcastrohow can that be? it was asac's idea!22:49
BUGabundoDrHouseahah22:50
ftawell, i'm not sure, but the fact is there. i can't update lucid.22:51
jcastro"Lets just upload; for the future we will get a standing FFe from technical-board so this confusion doesnt happen again."22:51
ftathe future is now22:51
ftai need it22:51
jcastrook so do you know if asac asked the tech board?22:51
ftano idea22:51
jcastroso let's assume no.22:51
micahgchrisccoulson: another thing on the list for maverick is a seed list for mozilla team :)22:52
jcastroI take it there's no bug for the new beta for lucid?22:52
ftaright22:52
jcastrook so we need to ask the tech board for a standing FFe basically22:53
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, that makes sense22:54
ftajcastro, if you say so :)22:54
chrisccoulsoni need to also apply for main upload rights at some point22:54
micahgchrisccoulson: do I need wiki pages for the blueprints also, or are teh blueprints enough22:54
jcastrochrisccoulson, are you basically doing browser stuff from now on?22:54
micahgchrisccoulson: wouldn't that just be going for -core-dev?22:54
chrisccoulsonjcastro, pretty much, although i'm still trying to fit in some other bits22:55
jcastrook so you can help me with this then. :D22:55
jcastrofta, I'll send a mail to the tech board now22:55
micahgjcastro:: do I need wiki pages for the blueprints also, or are teh blueprints enough22:55
ftajcastro, excellent, thanks. feel free to re-use my initial request, and improve it22:56
jcastroI plan on it. :D22:56
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i think you can create the template spec on the wiki for now, but you don't need to fill it in just yet22:57
chrisccoulson(i'm not sure other people have created them just yet)22:57
micahgchrisccoulson: I've seen a few22:57
micahgchrisccoulson: what's the point of both blueprint + wiki?22:57
chrisccoulsongood question ;)22:58
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micahgchrisccoulson: I just realized, with Seamonkey, if we upload early, we can't list the CVEs in the changelog23:08
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, we normally just specify the USN, but we won't have one for seamonkey23:09
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure what to do about that actually23:09
micahgjdstrand: ^^^23:11
jdstrandnormally we wait unitl seamonkey is public, and list the CVEs in the changelog23:11
jdstrandalternatively, you could point to the MFSAs (but again, those aren't live until it is public)23:12
micahgjdstrand: right, but we want to upload to security PPA for testing23:12
micahgand we usually binary copy from teh security PPA23:13
jdstrandmicahg: sure. upload with ~test1 in the version, then when live strip ~test1 off the version23:13
jdstrandafter updating the changelog23:13
jdstrandsince there is no USN, I don't think we can just bypass the changelog23:13
micahgjdstrand: k, we still have to build twice then, is that ok23:14
jdstrandpeople need to know what is going on23:14
jdstrandmicahg: absolutely-- people need to be able to review the changes23:14
micahgjdstrand: I don't want to exclude it, just wondering if there's another option besides building twice, but I guess there's not23:14
jdstrandjust ping me when read to pocket copy23:14
jdstrandmicahg: not really-- unless you have all the CVE references, but then mozilla probably wouldn't want you to make them public ;)23:15
jdstrandit's different with the USN, cause we have a short cut23:15
jdstrandno USNs for universe, so not really another way23:15
micahgchrisccoulson: ^^^ ok by you?23:16
micahgjdstrand: thanks23:16
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, that sounds fine23:17
ftajcastro, fyi, i've added evan to the chromium-team in lp a short while ago, so he can help as upstream. he sometimes helps on bugs, and reviews my changes, which is good23:20
BUGabundo_HIMYM"wroberts1: to bad facebook didnt buy palm, then it would be facepalm"23:22
BUGabundo_HIMYMlol23:22
micahgchrisccoulson: k, I think I'll create the thunderbird-stable PPA anyways, we'll need it when 3.1 comes out23:24
micahgchrisccoulson: are we going to have any time next week to work on this stuff or do people usually crash after teh sessions?23:26
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* micahg made a mistake with Seamonkey 2...should have built without system cairo as xul191 + cairo 1.8.10 = crash city <-- chrisccoulson23:28
micahgchrisccoulson: I'll look into it more tonight23:28

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