[05:57] <ddecator> is firefox supposed to have an option to report an incompatible website? there is a bug saying it's missing, but i haven't noticed it in the help menu before
[05:58] <micahg> hmmm
[05:58] <micahg> there used to be, but idr if it was only upstream version
[05:59] <ddecator> bug 572510
[06:09] <micahg> ddecator: have an old live CD to test with?
[06:09] <ddecator> micahg: hm, let me check...
[06:10] <ddecator> micahg: karmic is the oldest i have at school. i *might* have a jaunty disk at home, but i won't be home for over a week
[06:10] <micahg> ddecator: k, karmic should work
[06:10] <micahg> or I can test in the morning
[06:11] <ddecator> micahg: alright, i'll take a look in a few minutes
[06:11] <ddecator> still trying to find an upstream report for that SVG bug..
[06:13] <ddecator> which i'm still not finding one, but so far the ones i've looked at are closed as "Words for me" if the bug is fixed in trunk
[06:14] <ddecator> s/Words/Works
[06:17] <ddecator> anyway, i'll go test the first bug with my live cd. bbiab
[06:37] <ddecator> micahg: didn't see it on karmic. checked windows while i was at it, and it just had "Report broken webpage" or something like that, which i'm guessing is what the report means...i also tested the SVG bug on karmic and windows and it definitely happens in <ff3.7
[06:38] <micahg> ddecator: k, I'll have to check in the morning if that was removed on purpose
[06:38] <ddecator> micahg: sounds good. do you think the svg problem is worth me reporting upstream?
[06:39] <micahg> ddecator: idk, I forgot they had a bug day today and it would've been the perfect time to ask
[06:39] <ddecator> micahg: upstream has bug days too? is there an irc channel it's in?
[06:40] <micahg> ddecator: different channels depending on which team upstream, but yes
[06:40] <ddecator> oh nice
[06:44] <ddecator> micahg: maybe worth asking in #firefox?
[06:46] <micahg> ddecator: sure
[06:47]  * micahg is going to bed
[06:49] <ddecator> alright, night micahg
[08:26] <BUGabundo_remote> I may be sick, but I'm unbreakable. \w/
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> WTF
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> restarted chromioum
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> and X restarted :(
[11:03] <DASPRiD> (in which way is chromium mozilla related? :))
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> DASPRiD: its chromium... fta looks after it
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> this hasn't been *mozilla* only # for a long long time
[11:05] <DASPRiD> ah
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: and its gmail that's making it crash
[11:10] <BUGabundo_remote> 6.0.396.0 (46428) Ubuntu
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed.
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> The program no longer exists.
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: ^^^
[13:36] <asac> fta: chromium in debian experimental now :) ... seems ftp masters didnt like to cross check all copyright stuff ;)
[13:37] <asac> congrats. great step in right direction
[14:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey-- so I made one more commit to the tree for bug #570128
[14:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I also tried to contact pitti a few minutes ago-- he is travelling
[14:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: he'll be back online in a few hours
[14:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: if you have to do this *now*, then just push without the apparmor stuff
[14:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: otherwise I'll ask him when he is available
[14:04] <BUGabundo_remote> asac instead say: BROKEN chromium in debian unstable :(
[14:11] <asac> heh
[14:11] <asac> BUGabundo_remote: why is it broken?
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> Program terminated with signal SIGKILL, Killed.
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> The program no longer exists.
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> (gdb)
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> asac ^^
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> even worse. when I restarted it this morning for erratic behaviour
[14:14] <BUGabundo_remote> it restarted X
[14:15] <BUGabundo_remote> we all know google has been beefing their browser to be an OS
[14:15] <BUGabundo_remote> but to crash an X server is tooooooo much :(
[14:45] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg, how are you?
[14:55] <micahg> good
[14:55] <micahg> unfortunately, I have to run soon, but I was thinking, what about a generic mozilla team blueprint/session at UDS
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> we could do, as long as we have some scope for it beforehand
[14:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'd like to discuss later
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> cool, sounds good
[15:00] <micahg> bdrung: is there anything we can do to eclipse re xulrunner-1.9.1
[15:24] <bdrung> micahg: yes: figuring out why setting MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME is not enough
[15:25] <micahg> bdrung: k
[15:25] <bdrung> i couldn't reproduce the issue on my systems (with xulrunner-1.9.1 installed)
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> ccheney, were you planning to backport libsoup to hardy too?
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: around? I can't start Ch in debug mode :(
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec3dd910 (LWP 20933)]
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> 0x00007ffff3a4296b in write () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> finally something
[16:10] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/428361/
[16:32] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: i had that done, but maybe you should take a look to see if i did it right?
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> ccheney - i wasn't sure whether you considered making webkit work with the old libsoup or not, but i just tried to do that (and it's a lot of work)
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> so, if we're happy to backport libsoup, then that makes life easier
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> but obviously there are a lot more things to test
[16:36] <asac> chrisccoulson: imo the libsoup stuff etc done is all the right approach
[16:36] <BUGabundo_remote> rt @microft: Oh, look. Chromium 6 (svn) just came down the pipes.
[16:36] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: ok
[16:36] <asac> chrisccoulson: or did you get crashes because of that?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> asac - no, the libsoup stuff is mostly fine, but i wasn't sure whether we wanted to backport the whole of libsoup just for epiphany / webkit
[16:38] <asac> chrisccoulson: no ... right
[16:38] <asac> chrisccoulson: what is left is renaming soname and package
[16:38] <asac> so we can ship that in parallel
[16:39] <asac> chrisccoulson: and .pc files etc.
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> ok, that makes sense
[16:39] <asac> so no update of soup, but rather ship in parallel
[16:39] <asac> unfortunately we couldnt do the same with gtk and glib because of plugins that excpet a specific soname
[16:39] <asac> which is why we are doing all the painful stuff we do atm
[18:24] <micahg> \o/ chrmoium 6
[18:29] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, which version? (add it to the paste next time)
[19:03] <BUGabundo_remote> fta:   Installed: 6.0.396.0~svn20100505r46428-0ubuntu1~ucd1~karmic
[19:03] <BUGabundo_remote> on debian :)
[19:05] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, doing what?
[19:07] <BUGabundo_remote> opening :)
[19:07] <BUGabundo_remote> start having prob this morning after the update
[19:07] <BUGabundo_remote> it was so weird I restarted it
[19:08] <BUGabundo_remote> when I started it, X restarted too
[19:08] <BUGabundo_remote> how weird, right?
[19:08] <BUGabundo_remote> then started Ch with -g
[19:08] <BUGabundo_remote> and I get that
[20:19] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/05/ie9-platform-preview-2-arrives-with-small-performance-boost.ars
[20:20] <BUGabundo> back
[20:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll have the seamonkey patch I need ready by morning
[20:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you want to chat about a possible mozilla session
[21:36] <fta> micahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre  ??
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we can chat about that in a minute, i'm just going to move my laptop downstairs for the evening
[22:00] <BUGabundo_Chuck> micahg: fta: flash still not fixed in chromium ?? :(
[22:01] <fta> no idea, wfm with 5.0.396.0, but the i386 builders hate me
[22:07] <micahg> fta: not our project
[22:07] <fta> micahg, https://edge.launchpad.net/seamonkey2
[22:07] <fta> yeah
[22:07] <micahg> BUGabundo_Chuck: I don't help maintain chromium yet
[22:07] <BUGabundo_Chuck> micahg: yah but you mention flash the other day
[22:08] <micahg> BUGabundo_Chuck: I did?  idr
[22:08] <micahg> fta: I meant to talk to him about that, I don't think there should be 2 projects for Seamonkey
[22:10] <fta> BUGabundo_Chuck, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG0
[22:10] <BUGabundo_Chuck> fta: no prob in youtube site, cause I have it set to html5
[22:10] <BUGabundo_Chuck> but embeded fails to use the controls
[22:10] <fta> i meant, watch it
[22:10] <BUGabundo_Chuck> aaahhh
[22:10] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I'm blond!
[22:11] <BUGabundo_Chuck> you have be specifica
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> lol
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I read about it on one of my blogs
[22:13] <BUGabundo_Chuck> but couldn't watch it :)
[22:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ping me when you're ready
[22:20] <fta> BUGabundo_Chuck, seems there's a new UI in youtube/flash, it works for me (32bit)
[22:20] <BUGabundo_Chuck> I don't care about flash
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've got a few minutes spare now
 fta: yes, it's nspluginwrapper again :~(
 fta: i fixed it on the beta branch
 fta: i noticed that the ubuntu one is obsolete now, i was gonna wait a few more days before asking you about it
[22:21] <fta> BUGabundo_Chuck, ^^
[22:21] <BUGabundo_Chuck> boo
[22:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I think this general session should focus on any non-apport related stuff for the team
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sounds good. we've already got an apport session scheduled anyway
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> have you seen the schedule btw?
[22:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: feedback from people what they'd like to see us accomplish for maverick, what we'd like to accomplish as well
[22:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not recently, I need to sign up for my sessions tonight
[22:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do I need to ask rick if I want to schedule another session?
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think you'd need to speak to rick or jcastro to schedule another session in
[22:23] <micahg> ah, right, he's on european time, will check with him in the morning
[22:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there anything you'd like to see in the blueprint
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i haven't really had much time to think about what i'd like to do next cycle yet. do you have much feedback already from the community?
[22:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I figured that's what the session is for
[22:27] <fta> micahg: 64bit flash?
[22:27] <micahg> fta: if Adobe does it :)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> fta - are you at UDS too?
[22:30] <micahg> fta: unfortunately, we have no control over that one, once it's out, I'll push for inclusion and backport/SRU
[22:30] <fta> chrisccoulson, nope, i don't feel like my contribution was high enough this cycle
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> fta - really? i think other people would disagree with you there ;)
[22:31] <jcastro> chrisccoulson, evmartin will be at uds btw
[22:31] <micahg> fta: apparently sabdfl mentioned that there might be a discussion of chome vs ff as default browser
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - thanks, i noticed that too
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - there is
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> one second, i'll find the spec
[22:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, for most, i'm evil, just sucking builder resources, i just get complains about broken builds all the time
[22:32] <micahg> jcastro: so, can we have a generic session for the mozilla team?
[22:33] <jcastro> sure
[22:33] <jcastro> we always have plenty of mozilla sessions, I'm surprised it's not on there already
[22:33] <fta> chrisccoulson, so basically, i feel like dropping the ball completely :(
[22:33] <micahg> jcastro: k, I'll write a basic blueprint, should I ping you after I write it tonight or will you see it?
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> fta - no need to feel like that :( who's complaining about broken builds?
[22:34] <jcastro> micahg, make sure it's named "desktop-m-$whatever" and that you set rick spencer as approver and sprint as "uds-m"
[22:34] <fta> chrisccoulson, i get ~5 emails a day
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - i tend to ignore mails from people who complain (unless it's a constructive complaint, of course)
[22:35] <BUGabundoDrHouse> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/122396.html
[22:35] <fta> now, it's "when will lucid will have the new beta", and i don't know how i could make that happen. it's ready in the branch, but i'm out of ideas
[22:35] <jcastro> micahg, if by say Friday it hasn't been scheduled ping me
[22:36] <micahg> jcastro: got it, thanks
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-desktop-application-selection
[22:36]  * micahg should definitely go :_)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> subscribe at your peril - i've had a lot of bug spam from someone constantly editing that blueprint today ;)
[22:36] <jcastro> fta, doesn't it take like at least a day or so for it to show up in the PPA builds?
[22:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have blueprints filtered :)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - did you assign evmartin to that blueprint then?
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> s/assign/subscribe
[22:37] <jcastro> chrisccoulson, yes
[22:37] <jcastro> someone did
[22:37] <fta> jcastro, pff, it's disaster at the moment. i386 all broken and for #launchpad, i'm just a moaner :(
[22:37] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[22:38] <jcastro> fta, I'll bring it up at UDS with an lp person
[22:38] <fta> all 7h, still counting
[22:38] <fta> expected 2~3h
[22:38] <jcastro> do we still need jaunty?
[22:39] <fta> yes, i often get requests for it
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> i'm surprised anybody still uses jaunty ;)
[22:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you find out if hardy->intrepid->jaunty is still supported
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think mvo is going to make sure that hardy->intrepid updates are no longer offered
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> so we don't need to worry about that upgrade path
[22:40] <fta> in 4h, the bot will kick in, and with those unfinished builds, it will break all the arch all packages, meaning no translation for 64bit users, and no chromium at all for 32bit users
[22:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, good, then we can just test hardy -> lucid 3.6->3.6 upgrades
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should be fine
[22:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you decide where we should stage the stuff for hardy?  transition PPA?
[22:42] <micahg> security PPA?
[22:42] <fta> if it's still like that tomorrow, i will shut down the bot, there's no point losing resources
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> i think we should create a transition PPA for the bulk of the work
[22:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we have 1 transition PPA that I've been using for the xul rdepends
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> the actual firefox update could go in -security, but i'd need to discuss with jdstrand how he'd prefer to handle that
[22:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson:  there should be enough room for firefox/Seamonkey builds
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> we'd need to also host the ported xulrunner rdepends and updated extensions too
[22:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I create/push the thunderbird-stable PPA tonight?
[22:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll clear out older stuff from the PPA that's no longer needed, we have 4GB of space, should be enough
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> we can always request more space if we need it
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> you want to create a new PPA for thunderbird stable releases (similar to firefox-stable)?
[22:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[22:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unless we're pushing 3.0.x to stable releases soon
[22:45] <jcastro> fta, the -beta shows published 22 hours ago
[22:45] <fta> jcastro, in the ppa, yes, but not in lucid
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds like a reasonable idea for now. i'm not sure exactly when we'll push 3.0.x to stable releases. do you know how much support is left on 2.0.0.x?
[22:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: none
[22:46] <jcastro> fta, OH.
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> ah, bugger ;)
[22:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: asac wanted us to try to backport patches
[22:46] <jcastro> fta, I thought we were just going to SRU them and also switch to -stable
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> so, we're in the same situation as ff3.0 atm then
[22:47] <jcastro> fta, when -stable is ready I mean
[22:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, and Seamonkey as well
[22:47] <fta> jcastro, what when there's no security fix involved?
[22:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: speaking on Seamonkey, so you need me to do anything with that (PPA-wise)?
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg, how feasible do you think it is to backport patches? do you think it's enough to monitor the security fixes in 3.0.x and then see what is applicable for backporting?
[22:48] <fta> jcastro, it's just an update: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/05/beta-channel-update.html
[22:48] <jcastro> fta, I remember having this discussion
[22:48] <jcastro> with them at UDS.
[22:48] <jcastro> and I thought the plan was to just follow upstream with little to no modificationsd
[22:48] <jcastro> otherwise, what's the point of putting an old beta in the archive?
[22:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't know what's entailed, but 3.0.x is a total rewrite, so I don't think it's feasible
[22:49] <micahg> *almost total
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> so, really we need to get tb3.0.x in too
[22:49] <fta> jcastro, yes, i wanted that too, i filed a request through a bug (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/561510/comments/0) but asac vetoed me
[22:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unless asac knows something I don't about how much changed (possible)
[22:49] <jcastro> how can that be? it was asac's idea!
[22:50] <BUGabundoDrHouse> ahah
[22:51] <fta> well, i'm not sure, but the fact is there. i can't update lucid.
[22:51] <jcastro> "Lets just upload; for the future we will get a standing FFe from technical-board so this confusion doesnt happen again."
[22:51] <fta> the future is now
[22:51] <fta> i need it
[22:51] <jcastro> ok so do you know if asac asked the tech board?
[22:51] <fta> no idea
[22:51] <jcastro> so let's assume no.
[22:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: another thing on the list for maverick is a seed list for mozilla team :)
[22:52] <jcastro> I take it there's no bug for the new beta for lucid?
[22:52] <fta> right
[22:53] <jcastro> ok so we need to ask the tech board for a standing FFe basically
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that makes sense
[22:54] <fta> jcastro, if you say so :)
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> i need to also apply for main upload rights at some point
[22:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do I need wiki pages for the blueprints also, or are teh blueprints enough
[22:54] <jcastro> chrisccoulson, are you basically doing browser stuff from now on?
[22:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: wouldn't that just be going for -core-dev?
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, pretty much, although i'm still trying to fit in some other bits
[22:55] <jcastro> ok so you can help me with this then. :D
[22:55] <jcastro> fta, I'll send a mail to the tech board now
[22:55] <micahg> jcastro:: do I need wiki pages for the blueprints also, or are teh blueprints enough
[22:56] <fta> jcastro, excellent, thanks. feel free to re-use my initial request, and improve it
[22:56] <jcastro> I plan on it. :D
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think you can create the template spec on the wiki for now, but you don't need to fill it in just yet
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> (i'm not sure other people have created them just yet)
[22:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I've seen a few
[22:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what's the point of both blueprint + wiki?
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> good question ;)
[23:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I just realized, with Seamonkey, if we upload early, we can't list the CVEs in the changelog
[23:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we normally just specify the USN, but we won't have one for seamonkey
[23:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what to do about that actually
[23:11] <micahg> jdstrand: ^^^
[23:11] <jdstrand> normally we wait unitl seamonkey is public, and list the CVEs in the changelog
[23:12] <jdstrand> alternatively, you could point to the MFSAs (but again, those aren't live until it is public)
[23:12] <micahg> jdstrand: right, but we want to upload to security PPA for testing
[23:13] <micahg> and we usually binary copy from teh security PPA
[23:13] <jdstrand> micahg: sure. upload with ~test1 in the version, then when live strip ~test1 off the version
[23:13] <jdstrand> after updating the changelog
[23:13] <jdstrand> since there is no USN, I don't think we can just bypass the changelog
[23:14] <micahg> jdstrand: k, we still have to build twice then, is that ok
[23:14] <jdstrand> people need to know what is going on
[23:14] <jdstrand> micahg: absolutely-- people need to be able to review the changes
[23:14] <micahg> jdstrand: I don't want to exclude it, just wondering if there's another option besides building twice, but I guess there's not
[23:14] <jdstrand> just ping me when read to pocket copy
[23:15] <jdstrand> micahg: not really-- unless you have all the CVE references, but then mozilla probably wouldn't want you to make them public ;)
[23:15] <jdstrand> it's different with the USN, cause we have a short cut
[23:15] <jdstrand> no USNs for universe, so not really another way
[23:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^^ ok by you?
[23:16] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that sounds fine
[23:20] <fta> jcastro, fyi, i've added evan to the chromium-team in lp a short while ago, so he can help as upstream. he sometimes helps on bugs, and reviews my changes, which is good
[23:22] <BUGabundo_HIMYM> "wroberts1: to bad facebook didnt buy palm, then it would be facepalm"
[23:22] <BUGabundo_HIMYM> lol
[23:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I think I'll create the thunderbird-stable PPA anyways, we'll need it when 3.1 comes out
[23:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are we going to have any time next week to work on this stuff or do people usually crash after teh sessions?
[23:28]  * micahg made a mistake with Seamonkey 2...should have built without system cairo as xul191 + cairo 1.8.10 = crash city <-- chrisccoulson
[23:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll look into it more tonight