| Takyoji | Is this team slowly dying again? :P | 00:19 |
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| Takyoji | Haven't had a meeting for almost 3 months now. | 00:19 |
| tonyyarusso | Because you haven't organized one! | 00:21 |
| Takyoji | This Thursday then? | 00:22 |
| tonyyarusso | works for me | 00:23 |
| Takyoji | 7pm? | 00:23 |
| Takyoji | otherwise I'll think of a couple topics | 00:23 |
| Takyoji | Shall we continue using the wiki for meeting agendas? | 00:24 |
| tonyyarusso | Sure. | 00:24 |
| tonyyarusso | Remember to actually announce it - ML, forums, IRC topic, Identi.ca | 00:24 |
| Takyoji | I still have to register an identi.ca account yet (but doesn't mean that I won't) | 00:26 |
| Takyoji | otherwise what's the current case in regards of ShipIt--we need official Ubuntu members yet to be considered an official LoCo officially? | 00:27 |
| tonyyarusso | uh, members and LoCo approval are separate things. | 00:31 |
| Takyoji | I thought for a LoCo approval you need at least like 3 people with Ubuntu memberships. | 00:32 |
| tonyyarusso | I'm not aware of any such requirement, although it may be the case now I suppose. | 00:35 |
| Takyoji | I had a feeling in the past there was such a provision, but can't find it now after reviewing the wiki | 00:36 |
| h00k | Thursday? phew, short notice | 04:52 |
| Takyoji | since I haven't announced anything yet, I'll just say Monday. | 04:53 |
| Takyoji | I'll probably announce tomorrow. | 04:53 |
| h00k | I don't think there is anything regarding at least 3 memberships | 04:54 |
| h00k | I know they look for activities and things | 04:54 |
| Takyoji | $18 for just 5 official Ubuntu LiveCDs.. | 21:38 |
| Takyoji | With like $10+ of itfor shipping | 21:39 |
| Takyoji | I find this intriguing: http://www.wolfire.com/humble | 21:52 |
| Takyoji | 1/2 Windows, 1/4 Mac, 1/4 Linux | 21:52 |
| Takyoji | That's fairly significant | 21:52 |
| Takyoji | Yay for terrible development. | 22:57 |
| Takyoji | Apparently the Amazon MP3 downloader is 32-bit specific and uses some relatively obscure library, and Amazon itself has a small timeframe for you to download the audio you purchased; otherwise you can't download what you just paid for.. | 22:58 |
| kermit | yey for DRM | 22:59 |
| Takyoji | The music is "DRM-free", but the service itself is pretty much DRM | 22:59 |
| kermit | if it's designed to resist your efforts, do you really own it, or is it just a rental paid up front? | 23:00 |
| kermit | ah | 23:00 |
| kermit | does it require you to use their downloaded?? | 23:00 |
| kermit | downloader | 23:00 |
| Takyoji | It requires you to use their downloader program | 23:01 |
| Takyoji | Unless if you buy each song one-by-one. | 23:01 |
| Takyoji | first time I ever touched the service at all | 23:03 |
| Takyoji | Checked Ubuntu One store prior, and pretty much only had like 1/5th of what I was looking for. | 23:03 |
| Takyoji | Just gotta love those record labels... | 23:04 |
| Takyoji | So in order to "purchase" the audio from them, I have to install a virtualization system to install a 32-bit Ubuntu virtual machine within and open a browser within that, install their downloader, and then be able to acquire the "purchased" items... | 23:09 |
| kermit | somewhere you agreed to those terms ;) | 23:11 |
| Takyoji | Pretty much | 23:11 |
| kermit | totally your fault for not being a lawer who has 1000 hours per day to read every set of terms on every website you use. | 23:12 |
| kermit | ;) | 23:12 |
| Takyoji | Pretty much. :P | 23:12 |
| kermit | hey i lost $150k in a bad real estate deal because i'm not a lawyer who can decode legealese that i read and appeared to be english but had a totally different meaning in law | 23:12 |
| kermit | so dont feel too bad ;) | 23:12 |
| Takyoji | otherwise I actually do typically read the agreement terms. :P | 23:13 |
| kermit | its too bad they arent english | 23:13 |
| kermit | they just have an etymology that traces back to english | 23:13 |
| kermit | law redefines terms, in the context of whatever aread and aspect of law, constantly | 23:14 |
| kermit | the same thing can mean different things in different areas of law, or in the same area of law but in different areas | 23:14 |
| Takyoji | I still don't see how Amazon could just have the client be Python, and open source even. | 23:16 |
| Takyoji | Since most of the business logic of the process is all handled server-side | 23:16 |
| Takyoji | or at least, /of what it seems/ | 23:17 |
| kermit | they dont want people to actually buy mp3s from them | 23:17 |
| kermit | its just to keep the regulators at bay | 23:17 |
| Takyoji | anti-trust regulators, or? :P | 23:17 |
| kermit | because there have been arguements that the distributions are intentionally using poor distribution methods to justify higher costs | 23:17 |
| kermit | i'm not sure which area of regulation | 23:17 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 23:17 |
| kermit | so now they can say "look, we let you buy mp3s right on a web site, and they're not even DRM mp3s" | 23:18 |
| kermit | and the judge will have no fukcing idea whta 32 bit or python is | 23:18 |
| Takyoji | By the way, was it Amazon that patented the "one click purchase" concept? | 23:22 |
| Takyoji | I have a feeling Amazon will just drop Linux support for their MP3 Downloader | 23:23 |
| Takyoji | Now that there's the Ubuntu One music store | 23:23 |
| Takyoji | and it doesn't work in a 32-bit VM either. | 23:37 |
| Takyoji | Therefore I have to download and install the last Ubuntu LTS version | 23:37 |
| * tonyyarusso reads backscroll | 23:48 | |
| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: I'm 85% certain you can just use --ignore-architecture for the Amazon MP3 .deb - I don't think it actually needs ia32libs, but could be wrong. | 23:49 |
| Takyoji | I did. | 23:50 |
| Takyoji | And it requires a specific set of 32-bit libraries of a specific version | 23:50 |
| tonyyarusso | I am 100% sure that I did it without a virtual machine in any case. | 23:50 |
| Takyoji | and I used getlibs | 23:50 |
| Takyoji | Then go ahead and install it in Lucid on a 64-bit system. :P | 23:51 |
| tonyyarusso | and yes, they were the ones with the 1-click checkout patent application. | 23:51 |
| * tonyyarusso doesn't have a 64-bit Lucid system yet - ask again later :P | 23:52 | |
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