[00:19] <Takyoji> Is this team slowly dying again? :P
[00:19] <Takyoji> Haven't had a meeting for almost 3 months now.
[00:21] <tonyyarusso> Because you haven't organized one!
[00:22] <Takyoji> This Thursday then?
[00:23] <tonyyarusso> works for me
[00:23] <Takyoji> 7pm?
[00:23] <Takyoji> otherwise I'll think of a couple topics
[00:24] <Takyoji> Shall we continue using the wiki for meeting agendas?
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> Sure.
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> Remember to actually announce it - ML, forums, IRC topic, Identi.ca
[00:26] <Takyoji> I still have to register an identi.ca account yet (but doesn't mean that I won't)
[00:27] <Takyoji> otherwise what's the current case in regards of ShipIt--we need official Ubuntu members yet to be considered an official LoCo officially?
[00:31] <tonyyarusso> uh, members and LoCo approval are separate things.
[00:32] <Takyoji> I thought for a LoCo approval you need at least like 3 people with Ubuntu memberships.
[00:35] <tonyyarusso> I'm not aware of any such requirement, although it may be the case now I suppose.
[00:36] <Takyoji> I had a feeling in the past there was such a provision, but can't find it now after reviewing the wiki
[04:52] <h00k> Thursday? phew, short notice
[04:53] <Takyoji> since I haven't announced anything yet, I'll just say Monday.
[04:53] <Takyoji> I'll probably announce tomorrow.
[04:54] <h00k> I don't think there is anything regarding at least 3 memberships
[04:54] <h00k> I know they look for activities and things
[21:38] <Takyoji> $18 for just 5 official Ubuntu LiveCDs..
[21:39] <Takyoji> With like $10+ of itfor shipping
[21:52] <Takyoji> I find this intriguing: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
[21:52] <Takyoji> 1/2 Windows, 1/4 Mac, 1/4 Linux
[21:52] <Takyoji> That's fairly significant
[22:57] <Takyoji> Yay for terrible development.
[22:58] <Takyoji> Apparently the Amazon MP3 downloader is 32-bit specific and uses some relatively obscure library, and Amazon itself has a small timeframe for you to download the audio you purchased; otherwise you can't download what you just paid for..
[22:59] <kermit> yey for DRM
[22:59] <Takyoji> The music is "DRM-free", but the service itself is pretty much DRM
[23:00] <kermit> if it's designed to resist your efforts, do you really own it, or is it just a rental paid up front?
[23:00] <kermit> ah
[23:00] <kermit> does it require you to use their downloaded??
[23:00] <kermit> downloader
[23:01] <Takyoji> It requires you to use their downloader program
[23:01] <Takyoji> Unless if you buy each song one-by-one.
[23:03] <Takyoji> first time I ever touched the service at all
[23:03] <Takyoji> Checked Ubuntu One store prior, and pretty much only had like 1/5th of what I was looking for.
[23:04] <Takyoji> Just gotta love those record labels...
[23:09] <Takyoji> So in order to "purchase" the audio from them, I have to install a virtualization system to install a 32-bit Ubuntu virtual machine within and open a browser within that, install their downloader, and then be able to acquire the "purchased" items...
[23:11] <kermit> somewhere you agreed to those terms ;)
[23:11] <Takyoji> Pretty much
[23:12] <kermit> totally your fault for not being a lawer who has 1000 hours per day to read every set of terms on every website you use.
[23:12] <kermit> ;)
[23:12] <Takyoji> Pretty much. :P
[23:12] <kermit> hey i lost $150k in a bad real estate deal because i'm not a lawyer who can decode legealese that i read and appeared to be english but had a totally different meaning in law
[23:12] <kermit> so dont feel too bad ;)
[23:13] <Takyoji> otherwise I actually do typically read the agreement terms. :P
[23:13] <kermit> its too bad they arent english
[23:13] <kermit> they just have an etymology that traces back to english
[23:14] <kermit> law redefines terms, in the context of whatever aread and aspect of law, constantly
[23:14] <kermit> the same thing can mean different things in different areas of law, or in the same area of law but in different areas
[23:16] <Takyoji> I still don't see how Amazon could just have the client be Python, and open source even.
[23:16] <Takyoji> Since most of the business logic of the process is all handled server-side
[23:17] <Takyoji> or at least, /of what it seems/
[23:17] <kermit> they dont want people to actually buy mp3s from them
[23:17] <kermit> its just to keep the regulators at bay
[23:17] <Takyoji> anti-trust regulators, or? :P
[23:17] <kermit> because there have been arguements that the distributions are intentionally using poor distribution methods to justify higher costs
[23:17] <kermit> i'm not sure which area of regulation
[23:17] <Takyoji> ahh
[23:18] <kermit> so now they can say "look, we let you buy mp3s right on a web site, and they're not even DRM mp3s"
[23:18] <kermit> and the judge will have no fukcing idea whta 32 bit or python is
[23:22] <Takyoji> By the way, was it Amazon that patented the "one click purchase" concept?
[23:23] <Takyoji> I have a feeling Amazon will just drop Linux support for their MP3 Downloader
[23:23] <Takyoji> Now that there's the Ubuntu One music store
[23:37] <Takyoji> and it doesn't work in a 32-bit VM either.
[23:37] <Takyoji> Therefore I have to download and install the last Ubuntu LTS version
[23:48]  * tonyyarusso reads backscroll
[23:49] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I'm 85% certain you can just use --ignore-architecture for the Amazon MP3 .deb - I don't think it actually needs ia32libs, but could be wrong.
[23:50] <Takyoji> I did.
[23:50] <Takyoji> And it requires a specific set of 32-bit libraries of a specific version
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> I am 100% sure that I did it without a virtual machine in any case.
[23:50] <Takyoji> and I used getlibs
[23:51] <Takyoji> Then go ahead and install it in Lucid on a 64-bit system. :P
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> and yes, they were the ones with the 1-click checkout patent application.
[23:52]  * tonyyarusso doesn't have a 64-bit Lucid system yet - ask again later :P