[00:19] Is this team slowly dying again? :P [00:19] Haven't had a meeting for almost 3 months now. [00:21] Because you haven't organized one! [00:22] This Thursday then? [00:23] works for me [00:23] 7pm? [00:23] otherwise I'll think of a couple topics [00:24] Shall we continue using the wiki for meeting agendas? [00:24] Sure. [00:24] Remember to actually announce it - ML, forums, IRC topic, Identi.ca [00:26] I still have to register an identi.ca account yet (but doesn't mean that I won't) [00:27] otherwise what's the current case in regards of ShipIt--we need official Ubuntu members yet to be considered an official LoCo officially? [00:31] uh, members and LoCo approval are separate things. [00:32] I thought for a LoCo approval you need at least like 3 people with Ubuntu memberships. [00:35] I'm not aware of any such requirement, although it may be the case now I suppose. [00:36] I had a feeling in the past there was such a provision, but can't find it now after reviewing the wiki [04:52] Thursday? phew, short notice [04:53] since I haven't announced anything yet, I'll just say Monday. [04:53] I'll probably announce tomorrow. [04:54] I don't think there is anything regarding at least 3 memberships [04:54] I know they look for activities and things [21:38] $18 for just 5 official Ubuntu LiveCDs.. [21:39] With like $10+ of itfor shipping [21:52] I find this intriguing: http://www.wolfire.com/humble [21:52] 1/2 Windows, 1/4 Mac, 1/4 Linux [21:52] That's fairly significant [22:57] Yay for terrible development. [22:58] Apparently the Amazon MP3 downloader is 32-bit specific and uses some relatively obscure library, and Amazon itself has a small timeframe for you to download the audio you purchased; otherwise you can't download what you just paid for.. [22:59] yey for DRM [22:59] The music is "DRM-free", but the service itself is pretty much DRM [23:00] if it's designed to resist your efforts, do you really own it, or is it just a rental paid up front? [23:00] ah [23:00] does it require you to use their downloaded?? [23:00] downloader [23:01] It requires you to use their downloader program [23:01] Unless if you buy each song one-by-one. [23:03] first time I ever touched the service at all [23:03] Checked Ubuntu One store prior, and pretty much only had like 1/5th of what I was looking for. [23:04] Just gotta love those record labels... [23:09] So in order to "purchase" the audio from them, I have to install a virtualization system to install a 32-bit Ubuntu virtual machine within and open a browser within that, install their downloader, and then be able to acquire the "purchased" items... [23:11] somewhere you agreed to those terms ;) [23:11] Pretty much [23:12] totally your fault for not being a lawer who has 1000 hours per day to read every set of terms on every website you use. [23:12] ;) [23:12] Pretty much. :P [23:12] hey i lost $150k in a bad real estate deal because i'm not a lawyer who can decode legealese that i read and appeared to be english but had a totally different meaning in law [23:12] so dont feel too bad ;) [23:13] otherwise I actually do typically read the agreement terms. :P [23:13] its too bad they arent english [23:13] they just have an etymology that traces back to english [23:14] law redefines terms, in the context of whatever aread and aspect of law, constantly [23:14] the same thing can mean different things in different areas of law, or in the same area of law but in different areas [23:16] I still don't see how Amazon could just have the client be Python, and open source even. [23:16] Since most of the business logic of the process is all handled server-side [23:17] or at least, /of what it seems/ [23:17] they dont want people to actually buy mp3s from them [23:17] its just to keep the regulators at bay [23:17] anti-trust regulators, or? :P [23:17] because there have been arguements that the distributions are intentionally using poor distribution methods to justify higher costs [23:17] i'm not sure which area of regulation [23:17] ahh [23:18] so now they can say "look, we let you buy mp3s right on a web site, and they're not even DRM mp3s" [23:18] and the judge will have no fukcing idea whta 32 bit or python is [23:22] By the way, was it Amazon that patented the "one click purchase" concept? [23:23] I have a feeling Amazon will just drop Linux support for their MP3 Downloader [23:23] Now that there's the Ubuntu One music store [23:37] and it doesn't work in a 32-bit VM either. [23:37] Therefore I have to download and install the last Ubuntu LTS version [23:48] * tonyyarusso reads backscroll [23:49] Takyoji: I'm 85% certain you can just use --ignore-architecture for the Amazon MP3 .deb - I don't think it actually needs ia32libs, but could be wrong. [23:50] I did. [23:50] And it requires a specific set of 32-bit libraries of a specific version [23:50] I am 100% sure that I did it without a virtual machine in any case. [23:50] and I used getlibs [23:51] Then go ahead and install it in Lucid on a 64-bit system. :P [23:51] and yes, they were the ones with the 1-click checkout patent application. [23:52] * tonyyarusso doesn't have a 64-bit Lucid system yet - ask again later :P