| Bernardo | good morning | 07:35 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | Good morning, intrepid psb explorer. | 07:36 |
| Bernardo | :) | 07:39 |
| Bernardo | more like "sucker who loved the specs of a netbook and failed to check driver status before buying it" | 07:39 |
| outlaw45 | anyone still working on gma500? | 10:05 |
| lucazade | hi... not testing atm | 10:06 |
| outlaw45 | installed bernardo's debs last night and X loads.. | 10:06 |
| lucazade | yesterday was able to get x with bernardo deb | 10:06 |
| outlaw45 | but crashes almost directly.. | 10:06 |
| lucazade | yes | 10:06 |
| outlaw45 | did see the desktop, but the top panel was misformed | 10:07 |
| lucazade | the same here | 10:07 |
| lucazade | and back to gdm | 10:07 |
| outlaw45 | do yo know how to build debug packages? | 10:08 |
| lucazade | libdrm and lib-va have debug package.. don't know how to get for the other packages | 10:10 |
| outlaw45 | ok.. I'll check those debian/ files to see if I can find out.. | 10:10 |
| lucazade | ok.. good luck! | 10:11 |
| lucazade | let me know | 10:11 |
| outlaw45 | @fkefer: are you working on gma500? | 10:16 |
| fkefer | outlaw45: sorry i was out of office for a few minutes | 10:28 |
| fkefer | in general yes | 10:28 |
| fkefer | but now right now | 10:28 |
| fkefer | (no network cable to connect my laptop with) | 10:28 |
| outlaw45 | ook | 10:28 |
| fkefer | it seems as if my box is even harder to get running than most others | 10:28 |
| outlaw45 | ok... | 10:29 |
| fkefer | as i do not see a thing when i install the driver, just video-mode-change then blank screen | 10:29 |
| fkefer | (also the vesa-1366x768 trick didn't work for me at all) | 10:29 |
| outlaw45 | the same here.. | 10:29 |
| fkefer | ah, ok | 10:29 |
| fkefer | "good" (sort of ;-) ) | 10:29 |
| outlaw45 | did get into X last night, but not at the moment.. | 10:29 |
| fkefer | the problem is that all this is such a mess, interconnected with each other that it's everything but easy to track down the problem | 10:30 |
| fkefer | or even just test one module at a time | 10:30 |
| outlaw45 | yeah indeed, but I don't have the skills to make it better | 10:30 |
| fkefer | me neither, esp as long as i lack the time and lack the understanding of what is _really_ going on there | 10:31 |
| outlaw45 | yeah me too.. just trying to get some video performance with what we got.. | 10:33 |
| apw | RAOF, about? | 10:35 |
| fkefer | same here | 10:35 |
| fkefer | apw: ok, i give up: RAOF? you asking what we're talking about? | 10:38 |
| apw | fkefer, nope ROAF is a nick, i was pinging him | 10:38 |
| fkefer | ah, ok, stupid me | 10:39 |
| apw | if i'd said ping it might have been less confusing | 10:39 |
| fkefer | looked a little like yet another acronym | 10:39 |
| fkefer | apw: hm, ok, that laugh is on me :-) | 10:40 |
| fkefer | outlaw45: thing is, i didn't get this box for 3d gaming or high-end-apps or even video watching, all i want is a nice box to carry with me and do basic stuff and have network and a console | 10:41 |
| fkefer | now what i'm stuck with is a lightweight brick in white... | 10:41 |
| outlaw45 | yeah know what you mean.. got a nice tablet pc (Archos 9) and 10.04 is performing much better dan 9.10 | 10:42 |
| outlaw45 | just want to be able to browse the internet and maybe watch some flash video and things like that | 10:42 |
| outlaw45 | btw.. even if we get the video to work there's still the issue of the touchscreen, but I'll see if I get to that.. | 10:43 |
| outlaw45 | and Windows 7 Starter just sucks big time :) | 10:43 |
| fkefer | i know the windows 7 issue on mine too; it came preinstalled with a windows vista; that was so slow, you couldn't even fire up solitaire | 10:44 |
| fkefer | then 9,04 worked like a charm | 10:44 |
| fkefer | 9.10 well enough | 10:44 |
| outlaw45 | netbook launcher in 9.10 is a bit slow | 10:45 |
| fkefer | 10.04 looks pretty fast actually except for the graphics | 10:45 |
| outlaw45 | yeah indeed | 10:45 |
| outlaw45 | can't wait to get the video working :p | 10:45 |
| fkefer | once my workmate leaves his desk for today i'll put my machine back up :-) | 10:45 |
| jcristau | fkefer: at least it's a cheap lightweight brick in white | 10:45 |
| outlaw45 | but at the moment batteling with connecting to wireless network from the command line.. | 10:46 |
| fkefer | jcristau: *lol* thing is, i could have spent ~70€ more and gotten the MSI X340 (no the MSI X320) and would NOT face this issue now | 10:46 |
| fkefer | as there's a _real_ processor in it | 10:46 |
| fkefer | no atom/gma500 thing | 10:46 |
| outlaw45 | I do think the gma500 is a pretty good chipset, it just sucks it's created by powervr.. | 10:47 |
| jcristau | fkefer: yeah. bad choice there. | 10:47 |
| outlaw45 | in general intel has pretty good linux support | 10:47 |
| jcristau | outlaw45: it doesn't matter how good the chipset is if there's no driver. | 10:48 |
| fkefer | that's what i thought too, and at the time i bought it the device was supported | 10:48 |
| fkefer | usually it's rather the other way round, you buy something new and after some time it just works | 10:48 |
| jcristau | psb was never really supported | 10:48 |
| outlaw45 | @jcristau: good point ;) | 10:48 |
| fkefer | jcristau: true, but it worked in ubuntu first, then there was packages up that worked - now i'm in with those people trying to get packages... | 10:49 |
| jcristau | it worked in ubuntu because canonical thinks it's a good idea to ship unsupportable drivers. joke's on them, i guess. | 10:50 |
| jcristau | or on you :/ | 10:50 |
| lucazade | outlaw45: have you found debug packages? | 10:53 |
| outlaw45 | no not yet | 10:53 |
| outlaw45 | still trying to set up ssh | 10:53 |
| outlaw45 | but can't connect to wireless so can't install the package... | 10:54 |
| lucazade | it could really help a ssh connection | 10:54 |
| fkefer | it's a shame that i can't set up my machine here | 10:56 |
| outlaw45 | my router isn't setup to allow internet connections... | 10:56 |
| awoodland | I was trying to debug last night before I left | 11:03 |
| awoodland | but I couldn't make it break in gdb | 11:03 |
| awoodland | it was hanging when run within gdb | 11:04 |
| awoodland | and the stacktrace in the log files is only of limited use | 11:04 |
| lucazade | too bad | 11:04 |
| awoodland | I'm almost convinced there's something wrong in the kernel space parts though | 11:05 |
| outlaw45 | damn.. can't get the wireless up... | 11:08 |
| fkefer | awoodland: any ideas how to unit test this? i don't even know what exactly they're here for!# | 11:09 |
| awoodland | it's pretty ugly stuff to test | 11:10 |
| awoodland | and I haven't seen any automated testing for it | 11:10 |
| awoodland | I'm trying to eliminate individually kernel module(s), 2d driver, 3d driver, in that order | 11:11 |
| awoodland | but the boundaries aren't terribly clean | 11:11 |
| awoodland | and at some point I should do my paid work :) | 11:11 |
| fkefer | awoodland: for one yes, i should get back to my paid work too | 11:34 |
| fkefer | awoodland: second it's a shame that tha boundaries are blurry | 11:35 |
| awoodland | well I've got a valgrind log now with some errors in it and line numbers for psb bits | 11:46 |
| awoodland | but they mostly seem to be ioctl params | 11:46 |
| awoodland | which probably aren't the problem | 11:46 |
| fkefer | awoodland: then you're further than us all still... | 11:50 |
| awoodland | I can share the log if people want | 11:52 |
| awoodland | all I did was manually install the un stripped shared objects to replace the stripped ones provided in the .debs | 11:53 |
| awoodland | should probably do a -dbg package with dh_strip | 11:53 |
| awoodland | and when it runs in valgrind | 11:53 |
| awoodland | it seems to "work" except that I get no output on the screen | 11:53 |
| awoodland | but X is clearly running and taking mouse/keyboard inputs | 11:54 |
| fkefer | awoodland: sorry, work is distracting :-) | 12:17 |
| fkefer | awoodland: what do you mean with mouse/keyboard inputs are taken? | 12:17 |
| fkefer | you see in the code, but nothing on the screen? | 12:17 |
| fkefer | that makes it even _harder_ to test, right? | 12:18 |
| awoodland | yeah I can see clear evidence that the server is running and responding | 12:18 |
| awoodland | but not visual evidence :) | 12:18 |
| fkefer | awoodland: ouch... | 12:25 |
| fkefer | do we know if the kernel modules work as expected? how could we test that? start bottom up... | 12:26 |
| awoodland | I was trying to test just framebuffer console stuff | 12:32 |
| awoodland | on my 751h at least if I use no_fb=0 when loading the psb module | 12:33 |
| awoodland | then after X starts the text consolse are corrupted too | 12:33 |
| awoodland | and I meant to have a fiddle | 12:33 |
| awoodland | and see if they worked ok without X in the way | 12:33 |
| awoodland | (in karmic no_fb=0 worked fine) | 12:34 |
| awoodland | (for me at least) | 12:34 |
| awoodland | Going for lunch/meetings. What I have is at: http://users.aber.ac.uk/ajw/valgrind_x.log | 12:35 |
| awoodland | I'm pretty sure it'st the ones after the last "select returned 0" that matter | 12:35 |
| awoodland | the segfault at the end looks like it's in a clean up routine | 12:36 |
| awoodland | my money at the moment is on DRICreateContext or DRICreateDrawable | 12:37 |
| awoodland | anyway I'll see what I can find out later | 12:37 |
| outlaw45 | am trying to get my wireless working for a few hours now | 13:05 |
| outlaw45 | still no go.. | 13:06 |
| outlaw45 | seems like the wireless kernel module conflicts with psb kernel module.. | 13:08 |
| outlaw45 | but I'm not sure... | 13:08 |
| fkefer | outlaw45: shame that is | 13:10 |
| fkefer | i always used wired connection so far, so i don't know about my rtXXXXX crap | 13:11 |
| outlaw45 | no wired connection present :'( | 13:11 |
| fkefer | hm | 13:23 |
| fkefer | none here either, and no wireless, i'm still @ work | 13:23 |
| outlaw45 | I'll try to find a usb to ethernet converter.. | 13:47 |
| outlaw45 | back in a bit.. | 13:47 |
| fkefer | that could work... | 14:44 |
| === Bernardo|away is now known as Bernardo | ||
| Bernardo | hi | 15:19 |
| outlaw45 | hi | 15:21 |
| fkefer | hi | 15:21 |
| outlaw45 | what do you have to do to create debug packages? | 15:23 |
| Bernardo | how are things going with the gma500? I see awoodland did some progress | 15:23 |
| outlaw45 | with your packages I'm able to get in to gdm | 15:23 |
| Bernardo | outlaw45: check the debian/rules file for libdrm, I was going to copy the install part to the debian/rules of xserver-xorg-video-psb | 15:24 |
| Bernardo | of course, changing the dh-strip line accordingly | 15:24 |
| Bernardo | and adding the relevant .files, .install, etc. under debian (like we have in libdrm-poulsbo) | 15:24 |
| Bernardo | if you can do that, I'd appreciate | 15:25 |
| outlaw45 | dh_strip -plibdrm-poulsbo1 --dbg-package=libdrm-poulsbo1-dbg | 15:26 |
| outlaw45 | that line? | 15:26 |
| outlaw45 | I'll try.. | 15:27 |
| Bernardo | yes, that one | 15:27 |
| Bernardo | but you need to copy all the other install stages | 15:27 |
| outlaw45 | line 67 - 83 from libdrm/debian/rules? | 15:31 |
| Bernardo | wait | 15:34 |
| Bernardo | 65-83 if you want to include the comment,but you should also edit the binary-indep and the binary: lines in the psb driver to look like those in libdrm | 15:36 |
| outlaw45 | ok.. | 15:37 |
| outlaw45 | but a line like 'dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp -Xlibdrm.la --list-missing' | 15:37 |
| outlaw45 | should it just be 'dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp' | 15:37 |
| outlaw45 | ? | 15:37 |
| Bernardo | probably... :) | 15:40 |
| Bernardo | but in the psb driver the install seems to be done under install-stamp, so I'd edit that one, adding the lines 67-83 | 15:40 |
| Bernardo | I really am out of my depth here, need to check online the rules file syntax | 15:41 |
| outlaw45 | building xserver-xorg-video-psb | 15:50 |
| outlaw45 | now.. | 15:50 |
| outlaw45 | have to switch machines.. tried compiling on my laptop but don't have all the dependencies | 15:51 |
| than0 | Bernardo, I am following your work on poulsbo driver for Lucid... how far are you guys? | 17:21 |
| than0 | I am trying to get at least xorg working using vesa mode.. still stumped. | 17:22 |
| outlaw45 | can't build xserver-xorg-video-psb | 17:36 |
| outlaw45 | fails at configure with: | 17:36 |
| outlaw45 | checking for DRI... configure: error: Package requirements (libdrm >= 2.0 xf86driproto) were not met: | 17:36 |
| outlaw45 | No package 'libdrm' found | 17:37 |
| ilmari | you need to install libdrm-dev | 17:37 |
| outlaw45 | libdrm-dev and x11proto-xf86dri-dev | 17:37 |
| outlaw45 | are installed | 17:37 |
| outlaw45 | libdrm-poulsbo-dev also | 17:38 |
| ilmari | do you have a /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc | 17:40 |
| outlaw45 | no.. | 17:41 |
| outlaw45 | but libdrm.pc.libdrmdev does | 17:41 |
| ilmari | hm, something seems to have diverted it | 17:42 |
| ilmari | ckeck /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc | 17:42 |
| ilmari | eh | 17:42 |
| ilmari | dpkg-divert --list /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc* | 17:42 |
| outlaw45 | diversion of /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc to /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc.libdrmdev by libdrm-poulsbo-dev | 17:43 |
| ilmari | but libdrm-poulsbo-dev doesn't actually ship a libdrm.pc? | 17:44 |
| ilmari | (check with dpkg -L) | 17:44 |
| outlaw45 | it puts it in /lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc | 17:45 |
| ilmari | oh, that's broken | 17:46 |
| ilmari | does it put anything else in /lib ? | 17:46 |
| ilmari | symlink it to /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libdrm.pc | 17:46 |
| outlaw45 | /lib/libdrm.a, /lib/libdrm.so | 17:47 |
| ilmari | that looks like a very broken package | 17:47 |
| than0 | hi outlaw45, ilmari, I am also trying to get psb to work, but first attempting to get vesa working | 17:48 |
| than0 | what's the mode switch to start installation in vesa mode? | 17:50 |
| than0 | i tried xdriver=vesa, -vesa.. no good. | 17:50 |
| outlaw45 | vesa is loaded if with an empty xorg.conf on my system | 17:52 |
| than0 | outlaw45, i think I might to isntall 915 module, as vesa doesn't seem to find proper modelines | 17:53 |
| than0 | outlaw45, so you didn't have to put any install boot switches? thanks. | 17:53 |
| outlaw45 | no nothing.. | 17:53 |
| than0 | seriously, poulsbo is the worst driver problem I had since my difficulty with Trident drivers years ago. | 17:54 |
| * ilmari made damn sure it didn't have poulsbo when he got his new laptop | 17:55 | |
| Bernardo | outlaw45: there is a bug in our scripts since we changed the libs to /lib to follow libdrm | 18:02 |
| Bernardo | it also copies lidrm.pc to /lib/pkgconfig instead of the proper place - /usr/lib/pkgconfig | 18:03 |
| outlaw45 | yeah found it :p | 18:03 |
| outlaw45 | just compiled a debug package | 18:03 |
| outlaw45 | checking if it works at the moment | 18:03 |
| Bernardo | sorry about that, we found it yesterday but I haven't yet had the time to do any work on the driver since | 18:03 |
| Bernardo | if it works, upload your changes... Don't forget to do a "fakeroot debian/rules clean" before, just to make sure. | 18:04 |
| Bernardo | brb | 18:04 |
| lucazade | hi all | 18:05 |
| Bernardo | hu lucazade! | 18:06 |
| Bernardo | hi | 18:06 |
| lucazade | any news? any good news?! | 18:09 |
| Bernardo | I haven't had the time to touch anything since yesterday | 18:11 |
| lucazade | me too | 18:11 |
| Bernardo | outlaw45 has just built a debug package for the xorg psb driver, hopefully that will help tracing the segfault | 18:11 |
| lucazade | should i install it to gather some log? | 18:12 |
| Bernardo | Let's see if it works for outlaw | 18:14 |
| lucazade | ok | 18:14 |
| Bernardo | awoodland was also working on the backtrace | 18:14 |
| Bernardo | we really need debug packages for all our psb packages | 18:15 |
| Bernardo | brb | 18:15 |
| outlaw45 | (EE) Failed to load module "psb" (module does not exist, 0) | 18:16 |
| outlaw45 | but maybe my setup is screwed.. | 18:16 |
| outlaw45 | gonna eat.. | 18:16 |
| outlaw45 | but I added the following to debian/rules | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | install-stamp: | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh install | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_testdir | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_testroot | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_installchangelogs | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_installdocs | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_installexamples | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp #-Xlibdrm.la --list-missing | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_link | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_strip -pxserver-xorg-video-psb --dbg-package=xserver-xorg-video-psb-dbg | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_strip | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_compress | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_fixperms | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_makeshlibs | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_installdeb | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_shlibdeps | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_gencontrol | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_md5sums | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | dh_builddeb | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | grep PCI_CHIP src/psb_driver.h | sed -e 's/^.*0x/8086/g' > $(CURDIR)/debian/xserver-xorg-video-psb/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/psb.ids | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | touch install-stamp | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | replaced the existing install-stamp | 18:17 |
| Bernardo | maybe it is the sourcedir | 18:17 |
| outlaw45 | and added a debug package to debian/control | 18:17 |
| Bernardo | upload your changes to rules and control, I'll try later to build it | 18:18 |
| outlaw45 | committed | 18:21 |
| |Bernardo| | hi | 18:33 |
| === |Bernardo| is now known as Bernardo | ||
| Bernardo | quite more changes than I expected in rev 27... | 18:40 |
| outlaw45 | i believe it's generated | 18:40 |
| outlaw45 | didn't make that much changes | 18:40 |
| outlaw45 | but the changes I made to debian/rules don't work | 18:42 |
| outlaw45 | installed the deb from svn and X loads | 18:42 |
| Bernardo | I'll check | 18:42 |
| Bernardo | did you change anything under libdrm-poulsbo? | 18:43 |
| outlaw45 | no .. | 18:43 |
| Bernardo | well, you uploaded a lot of stuff... :) libdrm-poulsbo configure, xf86drm.c | 18:46 |
| Bernardo | xors-xserver-video-psb had also quite a few changed c and h files | 18:47 |
| Bernardo | looks like you didn't revert some of the patches | 18:48 |
| Bernardo | I'll try to clean things up if you don't mind, dropping most of your changes and keeping only the rules and control, is that ok with you? | 18:49 |
| outlaw45 | reverting at the moment | 18:50 |
| outlaw45 | wait a minute | 18:50 |
| Bernardo | I've reverted to r 26 (svn up -r 26) then checked out rules and control in rev 27 (checkout -r 27 rules) | 18:52 |
| outlaw45 | ok.. | 18:52 |
| outlaw45 | cleaning didn't work here anyway :p | 18:53 |
| Bernardo | now, how do I tell it to forget rev 27? :) | 18:54 |
| Bernardo | ok, seems like I have to tell it to do a "svn merge -c 27 file" for all the wrongly changed files | 18:58 |
| outlaw45 | sorry but gotta go | 19:00 |
| outlaw45 | check in when I'm able | 19:00 |
| outlaw45 | cya | 19:00 |
| Bernardo | I'll try to revert the erroneous changes | 19:00 |
| lucazade | :) | 19:01 |
| Bernardo | that's one of the problems with svn | 19:01 |
| Bernardo | you need to check what you are uploading before you do a commit, with svn status | 19:02 |
| lucazade | ah good to know | 19:02 |
| lucazade | going to dinner and watchin soccer match :) | 19:03 |
| Bernardo | let's see if this work | 19:03 |
| Bernardo | what game is on today? | 19:04 |
| lucazade | roma-inter | 19:04 |
| lucazade | italian cup | 19:04 |
| Bernardo | open or on sky? | 19:04 |
| lucazade | open i believe | 19:04 |
| Bernardo | maybe I'll see it, depends on the wife... :) | 19:05 |
| lucazade | heheh... always forza roma! | 19:05 |
| Bernardo | bbl | 19:07 |
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| JanC | hm, bugs where 'nomodesetting' boot option is needed for the live-cd, against what should those be reported? linux or xorg or ...? | 19:16 |
| than0 | ah, I tried multiple distros on my dreaded poulsbo netbook.. only successful was Mandriva's latest beta + force xvesa.. | 19:33 |
| than0 | various versions of ubuntu fails to get vesa xorg because it seems it can't access vesa bios modeline settings.. | 19:33 |
| === Bernardo|away is now known as Bernardo | ||
| Bernardo | I have karmic working well on my 1101HA | 19:57 |
| Bernardo | thanks to lucazade | 19:57 |
| Bernardo | ok, rev30 should have rolled back all extranous commits of rev27 | 20:01 |
| Bernardo | we'll see if it builds the debug packages | 20:02 |
| Bernardo | it builds empty packages... So anyone trying to build xserver-xorg-video-psb should either use rev 26 or fix rev 30 | 20:07 |
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| AlanBell | hi all | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | my new laptop has a bit of an unstable picture on the VGA port | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | kind of a pixel or two of wobble | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | it gets faster and slower with the refresh rate, but I can't get rid of it. Happens at all resolutions from 800x600 to 2048x1152 | 21:40 |
| bjsnider | if i do a restart, when it comes back up there is a lot of ram usage (going to xorg). if i shut down and then start up, ram use is much lower | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | the laptop I have is a Samsung R530 with an Intel chipset using the i915 driver | 21:49 |
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| bardo | hello, i am having problems with Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02). try to find solution in lauchpad but could't. ca anyone help | 23:21 |
| bardo | i belive there is a bug with intel 855. does anyone knows how to solve? | 23:22 |
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| RAOF | apw: Next-day pong. | 23:37 |
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