[02:02] <sbalneav> Evening all
[13:27] <ferranovsky> Hi, i have a problem
[13:29] <ferranovsky> in the Edubuntu version 10.04 has been chosen for wallpaper, a picture of Mads Rosendahl.
[13:29] <ferranovsky> It is actually a modified image from one of my photographs. A I do not care to be used as wallpaper for Edubuntu, in fact I presented as background for Ubuntu. The problem is that I'd like authorship was recognized in Edubuntu documentation and the wiki.
[13:29] <ferranovsky> i try to contact with the webmaster of ubuntu but he/she don't contact with me
[13:33] <ferranovsky> hello??
[14:33] <dgroos> Good Morning
[14:34] <dgroos> I've spent the last almost 2 hours trying to get my new install of Edubuntu Lucid to boot from another partition on 'my' new server.
[14:34] <dgroos> To no avail.
[14:35] <dgroos> I've tried startupmanager and the kernel I want to boot from isn't there.
[14:35] <dgroos> I've found that changing the boot flag doesn't matter (first by experience then by reading...)
[14:35] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:36] <dgroos> Morning sbalneav.
[14:36] <sbalneav> dgroos: Hmmm, can you call up the grub menu?
[14:36] <dgroos> the new grub2?  How?
[14:37] <dgroos> with startupmanager?
[14:37] <ogra> hit shift on boot
[14:37] <dgroos> I'll try--hi ogra
[14:38] <dgroos> after bios is done, right?
[14:41] <ogra> yes
[14:41] <dgroos> (It's doing a 'routine check of drives' can I skip this?)
[14:42] <sbalneav> Nah, let it go.
[14:42] <dgroos> ok
[14:42] <sbalneav> You can never get enough fsck'ing :)
[14:44] <ogra> tss tss tss
[14:44] <dgroos> OK done... Now I logged in.  Was something else supposed to start?
[14:45] <ogra> you should see the grub menu if you hit shift right after the bios
[14:46] <dgroos> Right after I hit the shift key I saw some dialog box flash on the screen and it had the word grub on it but didn't really see what it said--I'll try again!
[14:49] <highvoltage> hey dgroos and ogra
[14:49] <sbalneav> Morning highvoltage
[14:50] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!
[14:50] <ogra> hi hi highvoltage
[14:50] <dgroos> Good morning highvoltage
[14:52] <mhall119> highvoltage: did you see ferranovsky's messages from earlier?
[14:53] <dgroos> "grub loading please wait"  then it went through a few lines but then goes through normal load.  I've tried 3 times, pressing shift for various amounts of time.  Any idea?
[14:55] <dgroos> ogra and sbalneav:  Thanks for your help again.
[14:55] <sbalneav> dgroos: are you holding down shift, or just pressing it?
[14:55] <sbalneav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[14:55] <sbalneav> seems to indicate you need to hold it down.
[14:56] <highvoltage> mhall119: nope, checking scrollback now and kind of catching up on IRC... slept waaaay too long today
[14:56] <dgroos> My students are coming soon so I've got to go and I've got students after school so I can't touch base after school BUT... I'll be back on line tomorrow (and earlier!).
[14:57] <dgroos> I was holding it down.  I'll read that page as well and come more prepared tomorrow!
[14:57] <dgroos> take it easy.
[14:58] <dgroos> (Oh--I did read much of that page--I'll read it more slowly...)
[15:24] <sbalneav> Quick packaging question, for anyone to answer
[15:24] <sbalneav> If I want a package to create an empty directory, in /etc, what's the "best" way to go about that?
[15:24] <sbalneav> Postinst script?
[15:25] <mhall119> why empty?
[15:25] <sbalneav> Well, this is the xexit program I made up for alkisg yesterday
[15:25] <mhall119> okay, I'm not familiar with it
[15:26] <mhall119> what's the purpose of having an empty directory in /etc?
[15:26] <sbalneav> it executes a run-parts on a directory, so you can have an Xsession.d-like set of scripts that can be run on termination of an X session
[15:26] <sbalneav> so I want to create an empty diw where admins can drop whatever scripts they want, a la /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[15:26] <mhall119> okay, and you want to pre-create those directories
[15:26] <sbalneav> correctamundo
[15:26] <mhall119> not sure then
[15:27] <sbalneav> Neither was I
[15:27] <mhall119> you could make a "sample" script that doesn't do anything, and install it in those directories
[15:27] <sbalneav> yeah, that'd work, I suppose
[15:27] <mhall119> not sure what kind of performance hit that would cause
[15:27] <sbalneav> then just use a .install file
[15:27] <mhall119> or if it'd matter
[15:27] <mhall119> debian/install yeah
[15:28] <mhall119> that what I used anyway
[15:28] <sbalneav> I'll give that a whirly
[15:28] <sbalneav> Our text keeps lining up
[15:28] <sbalneav> it's like synchronicity
[15:29] <sbalneav> Many miles away
[15:29] <sbalneav> There's a shadow on the door
[15:30] <sbalneav> Of a cottage on the shore
[15:30] <sbalneav> Of a dark Scottish lake
[15:30] <sbalneav> Many miiiiles awayyyyyyy
[15:41] <mhall119> sbalneav: http://www.xkcd.com/276/
[18:10] <isforinsects> Who wants to start a facebook suicide pact?
[18:10] <alkisg> Nah, I've done that two years ago.
[18:10] <alkisg> Last year it was the zombie group...
[18:10] <alkisg> (or I misunderstood the question :D)
[18:11] <bencrisford> isforinsects: dont understand what you mean :P?
[18:34] <dbclinton> Hi, I'm having trouble installing ltsp on 10.04. The live CD session went well - I managed to boot thin clients to the server - but when I installed to the HD there was no ltsp and no install-ltsp GUI. I found ltsp-manager in synaptic, but that crashed before going GUI ([Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xkb/keymap/').
[18:34] <dbclinton> How is the actual ltsp install supposed to work? Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[19:07] <sbalneav> dbclinton: I beleive the ltsp install is there by default.
[19:08] <sbalneav> first thing to check is if the ltsp-server-standalone package is installed.
[19:08] <sbalneav> mhall119: heh
[19:09] <sbalneav> alkisg: Check my PPA
[19:09] <alkisg> sbalneav: hello - I pinged you in the morning (mine), it turns out there was a very easy solution for me:
[19:09] <alkisg> We ask the clients every 3 seconds to get us a screenshot (thumbnail). I just modified that to `getscreenshot || exit`
[19:10] <sbalneav> heh
[19:10] <alkisg> ...and problem solved, the client exits if an X display isn't present
[19:10] <sbalneav> that'll work.
[19:10] <alkisg> ...but xexit is very very useful, we should put it on the wiki as a better alternative to gnome-watchdog
[19:10] <sbalneav> Well, I'll keep working on the xexit anyway.  I could use it here, at legalaid.
[19:11] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeWatchdog
[19:11] <alkisg> ^^ that's not a good implementation. xexit is much much better.
[19:14] <dbclinton> ltsp-server-standalone is installed (although I think I'll have synaptic reinstall it)
[19:18] <dbclinton> sbalneav: synaptic seems happy with my ltsp-server-standalone install...though still no ltsp.
[19:24] <sbalneav> dbclinton: is /opt/ltsp there?
[19:25] <dbclinton> yes, but /opt/ltsp/i386 is empty
[19:25] <sbalneav> So, then you'll just need to do an ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[19:28] <dbclinton> Just tried: got a "I: Retrieving Release
[19:28] <dbclinton> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release
[19:28] <dbclinton> "
[19:30] <sbalneav> ?!
[19:30] <sbalneav> Sounds like a network connectivity problem there
[19:30] <sbalneav> can you ping archive.ubuntu.com?
[19:30] <dbclinton> I'm behind an ipcop proxy...but everything else is working fine and I can ping from terminal
[19:31] <dbclinton> I also just browsed to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release so that's open to my computer
[19:33] <sbalneav> huh
[19:33] <sbalneav> Wonder if you need to set the http_proxy shell variable....
[19:33] <dbclinton> --- archive.ubuntu.com ping statistics ---
[19:33] <dbclinton> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms
[19:34] <dbclinton> I've toggled "use the same proxy for all protocols" in proxy preferences. Shouldn't that do it?
[19:35] <sbalneav> No
[19:35] <sbalneav> try (in the terminal as root:)
[19:36] <sbalneav> export http_proxy=your.proxy.address:port
[19:36] <sbalneav> because you're running the ltsp-build-client from a shell prompt, and it doesn't use the gnome proxy
[19:37] <sbalneav> so once you've set the proxy, then try the ltsp-build-client, and happiness should occurr
[19:38] <dbclinton> Not so fast, I'm afraid. I ran export http_proxy= etc. and terminal took it with no error message. But still no happiness.
[19:38] <sbalneav> so ltsp-build-client still fails?
[19:38] <dbclinton> When I ran it with sudo, however, I got "sudo: export: command not found"
[19:39] <sbalneav> do this:
[19:39] <sbalneav> sudo -i
[19:39] <sbalneav> export http_proxy=...
[19:39] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client
[19:39] <sbalneav> you can't sudo the export
[19:39] <sbalneav> you have to do it all from the same environment
[19:41] <sbalneav> that work any better?
[19:41] <dbclinton> Still a problem.
[19:42] <dbclinton> I ran both commands after the sudo -i but I still can't access release
[19:43] <sbalneav> what happens if you type (in the same terminal):
[19:43] <sbalneav> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release
[19:43] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[19:44] <sbalneav> Here's what mine looks like:
[19:44] <sbalneav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/429100/
[19:44] <dbclinton> That's something! I forgot to include authentification...I'll try it again...
[19:47] <dbclinton> I'm still having authentification trouble: Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required
[19:47] <dbclinton> 2010-05-06 14:46:47 ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required
[19:48] <dbclinton> That really seems to be the difference between my system and yours: is there any way to set authentification from terminal?
[19:48] <sbalneav> Well, http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html
[19:49] <sbalneav> make sure your proxy vars are set up correctly
[19:49] <dbclinton> I'll work on that right away...
[19:50] <sbalneav> looks like http_proxy=http://username:password@server's the way to go
[19:55] <sbalneav> You've definitely just got a problem with the proxy.  Once that's solved, you should be good to go.
[19:56] <dbclinton> Absolutely. I'll keep plugging away. I appreciate it so much! Thanks a million!
[19:58] <dbclinton> Looks like it's working!
[20:02] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ping
[20:08] <highvoltage> bencrisford: pong
[20:09] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I seem to remember there was something at the meeting that we said we'd do today, but I don't remember what :P
[20:09] <highvoltage> advocacy list creation, introducing some of the interested members, etc
[20:09] <sbalneav> dbclinton: \o/
[20:09] <highvoltage> I've just been out of action all day
[20:10] <highvoltage> I decided to take another hour map shortly after waking up this morning... and ended up waking up at 3pm :)
[20:10] <highvoltage> (seems to have done me very well though)
[20:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: if we could do that tomorrow that would be great
[20:10] <mhall119> highvoltage: hour maps?
[20:11] <mhall119> doesn't sound very useful
[20:11] <highvoltage> heh, 'nap'
[20:11] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok :)
[20:14]  * bencrisford could do with one of highvoltage's "1 hour naps"
[20:15] <bencrisford> its only a matter of time before my caffeine levels drop to dangerous levels and I fall asleep on my keyboard
[20:16] <highvoltage> ouch I thought you already stopped
[20:16] <highvoltage> (with the coffee)
[20:17] <bencrisford> I did
[20:17] <bencrisford> for a week or so :(
[20:18] <bencrisford> I just couldn't do it for any longer
[20:23] <mhall119> I haven't had a cup of coffee in several hours
[20:27] <bencrisford> =O
[20:28] <bencrisford> mhall119: are you ok?!
[20:28] <mhall119> bencrisford: it's been rough, I'm not gonna lie
[20:29] <bencrisford> mhall119: well, its actually been over 12 hours since my last cup
[20:30] <bencrisford> by the time I get home its too late for coffee, and the $*&% they call coffee at school is no way near strong enough, so I don't bother
[20:30] <mhall119> wow, you're my inspiration bencrisford
[20:30] <bencrisford> :P
[20:31] <sbalneav> Well, xexit seems to work quite nicely
[20:31] <sbalneav> 0ubuntu3's been uploaded to my ppa
[20:31] <alkisg> \o/
[20:32] <sbalneav> I've got 3 scripts on my /etc/Xexit.d:
[20:32] <sbalneav> 11kill-evo-dataserv
[20:32] <sbalneav> pgrep -f evolution-data-server | xargs kill -9 || true
[20:32] <sbalneav> 12pulseaudio
[20:33] <sbalneav> pgrep pulseaudio | xargs kill || true
[20:33] <sbalneav> 20gconf-shutdown
[20:33] <sbalneav> gconftool-2 --shutdown || true
[20:33] <sbalneav> When I log out: absolutely 0 processes left behind.
[20:59] <rmainard> I can boot and log in/out with only one user if I leave the settings on default. if I change to the vesa I can boot and login with all of my users but I cannot log out without the system hanging up. I am using the intel 845G chipset in my thin clients. Does anyone have any ideas?
[21:26] <dgroos> Good Afternoon All
[21:27] <dgroos> As no students showed for after school I've got some tech-time :)
[21:29] <dgroos> I got a new server and have partitioned it with GParted.  It has 2 larger partitions and a swap.  I've cloned my old server on one of those partitions and installed lucid on the other.
[21:30] <dgroos> I can't seem to boot from the lucid partition.  I used startupmanager and it wasn't able to find find the lucid kernel.
[21:31] <dgroos> I think the problem is the way I defined the partitions--I think I was only able to make 1 of them a / root (the old jaunty).
[21:32] <dgroos>  I've spent 2+ hours and read but still don't know how to get the computer to notice the bootable kernel on the new partition.  Any ideas?
[21:44] <alkisg> dgroos: are you on a live cd on that pc?
[21:45] <dgroos> hi alkisg
[21:46] <dgroos> I'm on the pc but not live--I'm running on the jaunty kernel that's on the 'other' parition.
[21:46] <alkisg> Ah, ok
[21:46] <dgroos> *partition
[21:46] <alkisg> run `sudo fdisk -l` and paste the results
[21:47] <dgroos> Disk /dev/cciss/c0d0: 145.6 GB, 145659002880 bytes
[21:47] <dgroos> 255 heads, 32 sectors/track, 34864 cylinders
[21:47] <dgroos> Units = cylinders of 8160 * 512 = 4177920 bytes
[21:47] <dgroos> Disk identifier: 0xa125a125
[21:47] <dgroos>            Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[21:47] <dgroos> /dev/cciss/c0d0p1               1       16711    68179828+  83  Linux
[21:47] <dgroos> /dev/cciss/c0d0p2           16711       17432     2939864+   5  Extended
[21:47] <dgroos> /dev/cciss/c0d0p3   *       17432       34863    71119755   83  Linux
[21:47] <dgroos> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[21:47] <dgroos> /dev/cciss/c0d0p5           16711       17432     2939863+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[21:47] <dgroos> dgroos@gcos2:~$
[21:47] <alkisg> dgroos: use pastebin for more than 3-4 lines
[21:47] <dgroos> didn't know I could type that fast, did ya?
[21:48] <alkisg> as it keeps the channel clean
[21:48] <dgroos> sorry
[21:49] <alkisg> dgroos: erm, you have a primary partition after the extended partition
[21:49] <alkisg> Some programs might get mixed up with that, it isn't a good tactic
[21:50] <alkisg> You'd better delete teh second and the fourth partition there (extended + swap) and create a primary partition in that space for swap
[21:50] <alkisg> dgroos: also, run: `sudo blkid`
[21:53] <dgroos> output is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/429147/
[21:56] <dgroos> So, I but from live cd, go to gparted, delete the 2 small partitions, then move the Extended partition up so that it is next to the first partition, and in the remaining space at the end create a new partition--swap.  Right?
[21:56] <dgroos> *but=boot
[21:57] <alkisg> dgroos: the problem is that you have grub 1 in jaunty, and it doesn't see the ext4 partition of your lucid
[21:58] <alkisg> So you should change to using the lucid boot manager first
[21:58] <alkisg> To do that, install the lucid grub to mbr
[21:58] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[21:59] <alkisg> (copy/paste all of it, it has spaces so your irc client may not consider it all as one link)
[21:59] <dgroos> Thanks alkisg!  I'll do this and get back...
[22:17] <dgroos> alkisg: not having the correct grub, is that why I don't get 'sd1' and 'hd1' etc as drive names when I do fdisk?  is the name c0d0p1? or is it /dev/cciss/c0d0p1?  I need to know to do the steps in that link...
[22:18] <alkisg> dgroos: did you boot with a lucid live cd?
[22:18] <dgroos> Yes
[22:27] <dgroos> I'm following the directions on the page you linked to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[22:28] <dgroos> It says to 'mount the file system'  I assumed it was referring to the old jaunty system so mounted that partition.
[22:28] <alkisg> (sorry for the delays, I'm programming something...)
[22:28] <dgroos> np
[22:28] <alkisg> No, that's not the jaunty system
[22:29] <alkisg> It's the lucid system that you must mount
[22:29] <dgroos> ok I'll un-do all I've done so far and redo that correctly...
[22:30] <alkisg> ok. After those steps you'll boot into lucid in your hard disk
[22:30] <alkisg> Then with a grub update from there, you'll see both OSes
[22:30] <alkisg> ...and finally, you'll need to boot into jaunty and tell the grub there NOT to write itself anywhere
[22:31] <alkisg> (so that it doesn't overwrite the lucid grub in the mbr)
[22:31] <dgroos> OK how do I un chroot?
[22:31] <alkisg> exit
[22:31] <alkisg> so... do what the page says, then boot into lucid, and ping me again
[22:31] <dgroos> right