[02:02] Evening all [13:27] Hi, i have a problem [13:29] in the Edubuntu version 10.04 has been chosen for wallpaper, a picture of Mads Rosendahl. [13:29] It is actually a modified image from one of my photographs. A I do not care to be used as wallpaper for Edubuntu, in fact I presented as background for Ubuntu. The problem is that I'd like authorship was recognized in Edubuntu documentation and the wiki. [13:29] i try to contact with the webmaster of ubuntu but he/she don't contact with me [13:33] hello?? [14:33] Good Morning [14:34] I've spent the last almost 2 hours trying to get my new install of Edubuntu Lucid to boot from another partition on 'my' new server. [14:34] To no avail. [14:35] I've tried startupmanager and the kernel I want to boot from isn't there. [14:35] I've found that changing the boot flag doesn't matter (first by experience then by reading...) [14:35] Morning all [14:36] Morning sbalneav. [14:36] dgroos: Hmmm, can you call up the grub menu? [14:36] the new grub2? How? [14:37] with startupmanager? [14:37] hit shift on boot [14:37] I'll try--hi ogra [14:38] after bios is done, right? [14:41] yes [14:41] (It's doing a 'routine check of drives' can I skip this?) [14:42] Nah, let it go. [14:42] ok [14:42] You can never get enough fsck'ing :) [14:44] tss tss tss [14:44] OK done... Now I logged in. Was something else supposed to start? [14:45] you should see the grub menu if you hit shift right after the bios [14:46] Right after I hit the shift key I saw some dialog box flash on the screen and it had the word grub on it but didn't really see what it said--I'll try again! [14:49] hey dgroos and ogra [14:49] Morning highvoltage [14:50] morning sbalneav! [14:50] hi hi highvoltage [14:50] Good morning highvoltage [14:52] highvoltage: did you see ferranovsky's messages from earlier? [14:53] "grub loading please wait" then it went through a few lines but then goes through normal load. I've tried 3 times, pressing shift for various amounts of time. Any idea? [14:55] ogra and sbalneav: Thanks for your help again. [14:55] dgroos: are you holding down shift, or just pressing it? [14:55] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [14:55] seems to indicate you need to hold it down. [14:56] mhall119: nope, checking scrollback now and kind of catching up on IRC... slept waaaay too long today [14:56] My students are coming soon so I've got to go and I've got students after school so I can't touch base after school BUT... I'll be back on line tomorrow (and earlier!). [14:57] I was holding it down. I'll read that page as well and come more prepared tomorrow! [14:57] take it easy. [14:58] (Oh--I did read much of that page--I'll read it more slowly...) [15:24] Quick packaging question, for anyone to answer [15:24] If I want a package to create an empty directory, in /etc, what's the "best" way to go about that? [15:24] Postinst script? [15:25] why empty? [15:25] Well, this is the xexit program I made up for alkisg yesterday [15:25] okay, I'm not familiar with it [15:26] what's the purpose of having an empty directory in /etc? [15:26] it executes a run-parts on a directory, so you can have an Xsession.d-like set of scripts that can be run on termination of an X session [15:26] so I want to create an empty diw where admins can drop whatever scripts they want, a la /etc/X11/Xsession.d [15:26] okay, and you want to pre-create those directories [15:26] correctamundo [15:26] not sure then [15:27] Neither was I [15:27] you could make a "sample" script that doesn't do anything, and install it in those directories [15:27] yeah, that'd work, I suppose [15:27] not sure what kind of performance hit that would cause [15:27] then just use a .install file [15:27] or if it'd matter [15:27] debian/install yeah [15:28] that what I used anyway [15:28] I'll give that a whirly [15:28] Our text keeps lining up [15:28] it's like synchronicity [15:29] Many miles away [15:29] There's a shadow on the door [15:30] Of a cottage on the shore [15:30] Of a dark Scottish lake [15:30] Many miiiiles awayyyyyyy [15:41] sbalneav: http://www.xkcd.com/276/ [18:10] Who wants to start a facebook suicide pact? [18:10] Nah, I've done that two years ago. [18:10] Last year it was the zombie group... [18:10] (or I misunderstood the question :D) [18:11] isforinsects: dont understand what you mean :P? [18:34] Hi, I'm having trouble installing ltsp on 10.04. The live CD session went well - I managed to boot thin clients to the server - but when I installed to the HD there was no ltsp and no install-ltsp GUI. I found ltsp-manager in synaptic, but that crashed before going GUI ([Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xkb/keymap/'). [18:34] How is the actual ltsp install supposed to work? Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? [19:07] dbclinton: I beleive the ltsp install is there by default. [19:08] first thing to check is if the ltsp-server-standalone package is installed. [19:08] mhall119: heh [19:09] alkisg: Check my PPA [19:09] sbalneav: hello - I pinged you in the morning (mine), it turns out there was a very easy solution for me: [19:09] We ask the clients every 3 seconds to get us a screenshot (thumbnail). I just modified that to `getscreenshot || exit` [19:10] heh [19:10] ...and problem solved, the client exits if an X display isn't present [19:10] that'll work. [19:10] ...but xexit is very very useful, we should put it on the wiki as a better alternative to gnome-watchdog [19:10] Well, I'll keep working on the xexit anyway. I could use it here, at legalaid. [19:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeWatchdog [19:11] ^^ that's not a good implementation. xexit is much much better. [19:14] ltsp-server-standalone is installed (although I think I'll have synaptic reinstall it) [19:18] sbalneav: synaptic seems happy with my ltsp-server-standalone install...though still no ltsp. [19:24] dbclinton: is /opt/ltsp there? [19:25] yes, but /opt/ltsp/i386 is empty [19:25] So, then you'll just need to do an ltsp-build-client --arch i386 [19:28] Just tried: got a "I: Retrieving Release [19:28] E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release [19:28] " [19:30] ?! [19:30] Sounds like a network connectivity problem there [19:30] can you ping archive.ubuntu.com? [19:30] I'm behind an ipcop proxy...but everything else is working fine and I can ping from terminal [19:31] I also just browsed to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release so that's open to my computer [19:33] huh [19:33] Wonder if you need to set the http_proxy shell variable.... [19:33] --- archive.ubuntu.com ping statistics --- [19:33] 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms [19:34] I've toggled "use the same proxy for all protocols" in proxy preferences. Shouldn't that do it? [19:35] No [19:35] try (in the terminal as root:) [19:36] export http_proxy=your.proxy.address:port [19:36] because you're running the ltsp-build-client from a shell prompt, and it doesn't use the gnome proxy [19:37] so once you've set the proxy, then try the ltsp-build-client, and happiness should occurr [19:38] Not so fast, I'm afraid. I ran export http_proxy= etc. and terminal took it with no error message. But still no happiness. [19:38] so ltsp-build-client still fails? [19:38] When I ran it with sudo, however, I got "sudo: export: command not found" [19:39] do this: [19:39] sudo -i [19:39] export http_proxy=... [19:39] ltsp-build-client [19:39] you can't sudo the export [19:39] you have to do it all from the same environment [19:41] that work any better? [19:41] Still a problem. [19:42] I ran both commands after the sudo -i but I still can't access release [19:43] what happens if you type (in the same terminal): [19:43] wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release [19:43] !pastebin [19:43] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:44] Here's what mine looks like: [19:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/429100/ [19:44] That's something! I forgot to include authentification...I'll try it again... [19:47] I'm still having authentification trouble: Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required [19:47] 2010-05-06 14:46:47 ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required [19:48] That really seems to be the difference between my system and yours: is there any way to set authentification from terminal? [19:48] Well, http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html [19:49] make sure your proxy vars are set up correctly [19:49] I'll work on that right away... [19:50] looks like http_proxy=http://username:password@server's the way to go [19:55] You've definitely just got a problem with the proxy. Once that's solved, you should be good to go. [19:56] Absolutely. I'll keep plugging away. I appreciate it so much! Thanks a million! [19:58] Looks like it's working! [20:02] highvoltage: ping [20:08] bencrisford: pong [20:09] highvoltage: I seem to remember there was something at the meeting that we said we'd do today, but I don't remember what :P [20:09] advocacy list creation, introducing some of the interested members, etc [20:09] dbclinton: \o/ [20:09] I've just been out of action all day [20:10] I decided to take another hour map shortly after waking up this morning... and ended up waking up at 3pm :) [20:10] (seems to have done me very well though) [20:10] bencrisford: if we could do that tomorrow that would be great [20:10] highvoltage: hour maps? [20:11] doesn't sound very useful [20:11] heh, 'nap' [20:11] highvoltage: ok :) [20:14] * bencrisford could do with one of highvoltage's "1 hour naps" [20:15] its only a matter of time before my caffeine levels drop to dangerous levels and I fall asleep on my keyboard [20:16] ouch I thought you already stopped [20:16] (with the coffee) [20:17] I did [20:17] for a week or so :( [20:18] I just couldn't do it for any longer [20:23] I haven't had a cup of coffee in several hours [20:27] =O [20:28] mhall119: are you ok?! [20:28] bencrisford: it's been rough, I'm not gonna lie [20:29] mhall119: well, its actually been over 12 hours since my last cup [20:30] by the time I get home its too late for coffee, and the $*&% they call coffee at school is no way near strong enough, so I don't bother [20:30] wow, you're my inspiration bencrisford [20:30] :P [20:31] Well, xexit seems to work quite nicely [20:31] 0ubuntu3's been uploaded to my ppa [20:31] \o/ [20:32] I've got 3 scripts on my /etc/Xexit.d: [20:32] 11kill-evo-dataserv [20:32] pgrep -f evolution-data-server | xargs kill -9 || true [20:32] 12pulseaudio [20:33] pgrep pulseaudio | xargs kill || true [20:33] 20gconf-shutdown [20:33] gconftool-2 --shutdown || true [20:33] When I log out: absolutely 0 processes left behind. [20:59] I can boot and log in/out with only one user if I leave the settings on default. if I change to the vesa I can boot and login with all of my users but I cannot log out without the system hanging up. I am using the intel 845G chipset in my thin clients. Does anyone have any ideas? [21:26] Good Afternoon All [21:27] As no students showed for after school I've got some tech-time :) [21:29] I got a new server and have partitioned it with GParted. It has 2 larger partitions and a swap. I've cloned my old server on one of those partitions and installed lucid on the other. [21:30] I can't seem to boot from the lucid partition. I used startupmanager and it wasn't able to find find the lucid kernel. [21:31] I think the problem is the way I defined the partitions--I think I was only able to make 1 of them a / root (the old jaunty). [21:32] I've spent 2+ hours and read but still don't know how to get the computer to notice the bootable kernel on the new partition. Any ideas? [21:44] dgroos: are you on a live cd on that pc? [21:45] hi alkisg [21:46] I'm on the pc but not live--I'm running on the jaunty kernel that's on the 'other' parition. [21:46] Ah, ok [21:46] *partition [21:46] run `sudo fdisk -l` and paste the results [21:47] Disk /dev/cciss/c0d0: 145.6 GB, 145659002880 bytes [21:47] 255 heads, 32 sectors/track, 34864 cylinders [21:47] Units = cylinders of 8160 * 512 = 4177920 bytes [21:47] Disk identifier: 0xa125a125 [21:47] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [21:47] /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 1 16711 68179828+ 83 Linux [21:47] /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 16711 17432 2939864+ 5 Extended [21:47] /dev/cciss/c0d0p3 * 17432 34863 71119755 83 Linux [21:47] Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. [21:47] /dev/cciss/c0d0p5 16711 17432 2939863+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris [21:47] dgroos@gcos2:~$ [21:47] dgroos: use pastebin for more than 3-4 lines [21:47] didn't know I could type that fast, did ya? [21:48] as it keeps the channel clean [21:48] sorry [21:49] dgroos: erm, you have a primary partition after the extended partition [21:49] Some programs might get mixed up with that, it isn't a good tactic [21:50] You'd better delete teh second and the fourth partition there (extended + swap) and create a primary partition in that space for swap [21:50] dgroos: also, run: `sudo blkid` [21:53] output is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/429147/ [21:56] So, I but from live cd, go to gparted, delete the 2 small partitions, then move the Extended partition up so that it is next to the first partition, and in the remaining space at the end create a new partition--swap. Right? [21:56] *but=boot [21:57] dgroos: the problem is that you have grub 1 in jaunty, and it doesn't see the ext4 partition of your lucid [21:58] So you should change to using the lucid boot manager first [21:58] To do that, install the lucid grub to mbr [21:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD [21:59] (copy/paste all of it, it has spaces so your irc client may not consider it all as one link) [21:59] Thanks alkisg! I'll do this and get back... [22:17] alkisg: not having the correct grub, is that why I don't get 'sd1' and 'hd1' etc as drive names when I do fdisk? is the name c0d0p1? or is it /dev/cciss/c0d0p1? I need to know to do the steps in that link... [22:18] dgroos: did you boot with a lucid live cd? [22:18] Yes [22:27] I'm following the directions on the page you linked to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD [22:28] It says to 'mount the file system' I assumed it was referring to the old jaunty system so mounted that partition. [22:28] (sorry for the delays, I'm programming something...) [22:28] np [22:28] No, that's not the jaunty system [22:29] It's the lucid system that you must mount [22:29] ok I'll un-do all I've done so far and redo that correctly... [22:30] ok. After those steps you'll boot into lucid in your hard disk [22:30] Then with a grub update from there, you'll see both OSes [22:30] ...and finally, you'll need to boot into jaunty and tell the grub there NOT to write itself anywhere [22:31] (so that it doesn't overwrite the lucid grub in the mbr) [22:31] OK how do I un chroot? [22:31] exit [22:31] so... do what the page says, then boot into lucid, and ping me again [22:31] right